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Beijing must be patient in dealing with Taiwan

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

The Taiwanese are suspicious after six decades of threats, blackmail, military pressure and diplomatic isolation, says Frank Ching ...Read the full article

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  1. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    What kind of stupid article he writes, the mainland Chinese aren't patient enoguh already? As long as these Taiwanese don't make stupid move such as going independence, everything works just fine, they can't run anywhere and their economy is tied to China already.

    The long term goal of Chinese is to integrate into western world, otherwise they will bomb the island into hell already. Taiwan will paly certain role in that framework arranged by mainland, nothing else.
  2. Spring Fire from China writes: First of all, it was Taiwan together with western countries that had imposed 60 years of threats, blackmails, military pressure and diplomatic isolation on mainland. Of course the table now has turned and it is time to cry mama.

    Secondly, the pro-unification Nationalists won the election on the platform for an improved relationship with mainland in 2008. People of Taiwan are reaping the benefit of this policy since Ma's government started. Such mandate is supported by people of Taiwan, mainland, and all overseas Chinese people.

    Thirdly, the demonstrations in Taiwan in the last few days are nothing but a desperate attempt to rescue DPP from going into limbo. With each passing day, DPP is behaving more like a bunch of violent clowns. For eight years in power, they used so called native Taiwanese vs. foreign Taiwanese issue to create a huge division within Taiwanese society with more than eight year of economic stagnation.

    By the way, Taiwan issue is an internal issue of China. Canada has absolutely no role in it.
  3. The Emperor's Paparazzi from Canada writes:
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    Spring Fire from China wrote: Taiwan issue is an internal issue of China

    Spring Fire, doesn't this contradict your reference to "native Taiwanese" in your previous sentence?
  4. Spring Fire from China writes: Native Taiwanese are those who originally come from mainland several hundred years ago. And it is a term used by DPP, not me.
  5. V PINHEAD from Canada writes: I agree mutual trust should first and foremost comes from Beijing, China, not from Canada.
  6. Spring Fire from China writes: The article makes some very absurd statements. The reality is a lot different:

    1) Currently there are over a couple of million of Taiwanese living in mainland. Taiwan government only started to allow mainland visitors in the last few months;
    2) Taiwanese business has invested more than 100 billion USD in mainland against a backdrop of measures from DPP government to stop such flow of investment. On the other hand, Taiwan is yet to allow mainland investment.
    3) Inter-marriage between mainland and Taiwan runs hundreds of thousands each year. The newly-wed couple can live anywhere in mainland with no restrictions, whereas they would not be able to do so in Taiwan.
    4) Taiwan is already surrounded by mainland military jets or navy ships. Without US help, PLA can occupy Taiwan in 2 days. With US help, PLA can occupy Taiwan in a couple of weeks.

    This is the reality.
  7. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    War is not option here. Mainland don't need to invade Taiwan, their most valuable asset are a few dozen very expensive semiconductor factories, destroying them means destroying their economy.

    There is basically no ideology difference between two sides. Mainland uses the old KMT policy, while Taiwan pioneers the democracy experiment which screws up them quite bit, but a good lesson for mainland and much can be learned from them.

    The civil war legacy will be solved with the time, one civil war is enough for all Chinese.
  8. Spring Fire from China writes: Technically two sides are still at war. Of course, the author thinks it is NOT a good idea to conclude a peace treaty between two sides. West loves to use Taiwan/Tibet to hobble China.
  9. anonymous in Ont from Canada writes: He he the ccp brigade is here, go figure. Do you guys post on any other articles aside from China? Watch dogs for the CCP on the G&M site. Your comments certainly doesn't do any favours for china. You just show how intolerant,ignorant & biased you're.
  10. Comments closed, censored, hidden, deleted, disappeared from Peso-onie land, Canada writes: At the moment, China is doing extremely well, considering. With Taiwan, China is doing exceptionally well, and with an undisputed sense of timing. --- Many in the West do not welcome those latest developments; to say the least, that "rapprochement" was not expected. To put it mildly, our political leaders and pundits are not amused. Hence a multitude of articles such as the above, in our media, recently, some very amusing ones in the American press. Obviously, our pundits are taken aback.... they don't really know what to say. --- Rather than listening to them, we'd do better watching the Asian scene very closely... There is much for us to learn there, these days. Better let our losers brood in their little corner, for a while. It will be even more amusing to see how they will spin all this, in the coming months.
  11. Fake Name from Canada writes: "Spring Fire from China wrote: Taiwan issue is an internal issue of China"

    Taiwan's people don't seem to feel that way in significant enough numbers to support that claim. Just because a party running on a platform of less animosity to the mainland won, doesn't mean the Taiwanese people voted to be absorbed wholesale. If they were so in love with the CCP, they would have immigrated to China (as you point out they're free to do), instead of be at home voting in free and fair elections.

    As your your point that the mainland could overrun US forces helping protect Taiwan, that's probably true. But an unprovoked attack on the American navy would start a nuclear war, and a point of principle isn't worth getting killed over. I mean, the USN has individual missile submarines with AT LEAST as much destructive power as the entire PRC nuclear force. Also, it would probably cause the US to flip China the bird on repayment of the the trillion-plus dollars they've borrowed from Beijing. Punishing the PRC for attacking it's troops would be a perfect excuse to walk away from a pile of debt without affecting their perceived reliability as a borrower from other governments.
  12. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    Fake Name from Canada writes:"Also, it would probably cause the US to flip China the bird on repayment of the the trillion-plus dollars they've borrowed from Beijing. Punishing the PRC for attacking it's troops would be a perfect excuse to walk away from a pile of debt without affecting their perceived reliability as a borrower from other governments."

    LOL, one of the most stupid comments I ever see. Can Chinese call the shot first?

    The moment some Taiwaneses make the stupid movement, Chinese simply press the button of the transaction and probably everything will fall apart in the world. Then you can blame them....

    The fate of Taiwan is casted, not much left for debate. It's a deal between Yankees and Chinese.
  13. Spring Fire from China writes: Fake Name from Canada writes: " the USN has individual missile submarines with AT LEAST as much destructive power as the entire PRC nuclear force"

    There isn't much difference between nuke-bombing the world 100 hundred times and twice. These nukes will probably scare a few small countries like Canada but they won't have any effect on China.
  14. Jeff Wong from North York, Canada writes: You guys watch too many War movies.

    USA isn't going to start any War in the Far East, not in the forseeable future atleast.

    China isn't going to start a War with the USA either.

    Worry more about Middle East and USA. There is a War going on there now.
  15. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    The whole Eastern Asia is in a very healthy situation. Except NK, every one is in good competition mode, like Europe in 19th century.

    Different from Europe 19th century is, there is a dominant power that can prevent the war there, keeps everyone in a peaceful development status.

    The peaceful competition is needed there, including Taiwan and Hongkong, SK and Japan. It brings tremendous benefit to the region.
  16. Glynn W from Canada writes: Pateince is one main virtue that China has in abundance.
  17. Fake Name from Canada writes: Springfire, the difference is that China doesn't have enough nukes to kill the world. Their inventory is something like 25 missiles.

    As for Republic of Saturn's opinion that I'm stupid ... well, let's just say that I'm not particularly troubled by your garbled retort. Your argument seems to be that the PRC should just wait for little taiwan to attack big mainland and lose - I suspect you may be waiting quite a while for that one.
  18. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    "Their inventory is something like 25 missiles."

    Good bet and go ahead to try it, LOL, call Harper

    Talking about patience, if Hilter had some of it and not attacking Poland, Poland would be theirs sooner or later. I believe Poles would rather be German's instead of Russian's.

    All Europe would fall into German's hand maybe, except France. It would be a total different world today.
  19. Spring Fire from China writes: Oh Fake Name my boy, you definitely need to learn a Chinese proverb: Having stronger muscle does not mean you are healthy. And in any sense why do China want to kill the whole world? It is sufficient to kill off a couple of countries. That is enough, no?
  20. From Markham from Canada writes: Comments closed, censored, hidden, deleted, disappeared from Peso-onie land, Canada writes: At the moment, China is doing extremely well, considering. With Taiwan, China is doing exceptionally well, and with an undisputed sense of timing. --- Many in the West do not welcome those latest developments; to say the least, that "rapprochement" was not expected. To put it mildly, our political leaders and pundits are not amused. --------- This hits the nail on the head! The Conservative MPs must be disappointed and so is the US. The US must bear part of the responsibility of destablizing China! Why? First, CIA support Tibet's Dalai Lama. Second, the US get into the way of reconiliation across the Taiwan Strait in the name of democracy and human rights. Strategically speaking, this is what the US has been doing. Why? With Taiwan being the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" in the eastern part of China, and Tibet in the western part doing the backstabbing works for the US, the US and the West are disappointed at the new development. Frank Ching, Your article is superficial. Those Taiwanese in the Green, especially those in dark green, they always reject "foreigners" no matter what. Look at how IRRATIONAL and EMOTIONAL they are in supporting former president Chen. It is unbelieveable that the West doesn't criticize such behaviour! I have never seen a democratic regime being soooooo corrupt in the West. Not even the British MPs are corrupt enough!!
  21. Fake Name from Canada writes: Republic - you appear to be confused as to whose navy springfire was proposing China might attack to get at taiwan. Canada doesn't HAVE a navy worth mentioning, and certainly no presence in east asian waters. Nor do we have nukes - a situation that should be remedied, but given our mostly spineless electorate, likely will not be. Harper is irrelevant to this issue.

    And springfire, the point is that I doubt China could wipe out the US. Yes, losing their 25 biggest cities would break their power, but something would live on.
  22. joseph Cheng from Toronto, Canada writes: The fact is China and the Taiwan government under Mr. Ma are taking giant and important steps towards mutual understanding and reconciliation with each other. There hasn't been a single word of military threat from China's leadership since Ma became the president of Taiwan. I don't know what was the intention of the author of this article Frank Ching and the G & M editors. The headline of this article gave the impression that China was exerting military and all kinds of pressure on Taiwan. What the director of the China's Taiwan Affairs Office Wang Yi said was misinterpreted entirely. Wang Yi said political and military issues could not be sidestepped and not discussed and talks could not center on purely economic co-operation alone. What Wang obviously meant was sooner or later, all issues including political and military had to be put on the table and discussed because they were and continue to be just as important as economic issues. Certainly, it is common sense that in order to achieve a complete reconciliation and harmonization, all issues must be discussed and agreed to by both parties concerned.
    Economic issues are being discussed and settled at present because they affect the livelihood of all Chinese citizens in Taiwan as well as in the mainland.
  23. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    Fake Name

    You didn't get my point: Canadians are simply not qualified to talk about that scenario.

    Second, he said "with US help", not attack US navy. I would doubt American will go to war for Taiwan, "help" is not war, it's an ambiguous word used by Yankees on purposely.
  24. Spring Fire from China writes: Fake Name from Canada writes: "And springfire, the point is that I doubt China could wipe out the US. Yes, losing their 25 biggest cities would break their power, but something would live on. "

    You can certainly have your doubt. The point is, China has sent taikonauts to space. With its ability to manufacture cheaply, it could potentially produce the nukes like goodies in Walmart.

    25 missiles only? Last time I know of, its missiles can fire 3 warheads on a single missile. There are at least 6 nuclear submarines carrying 24 missiles each, in addition to any airborne and land based missiles. Do your math and see how many US cities would disappear.
  25. Comments closed, censored, hidden, deleted, disappeared from Peso-onie land, Canada writes: From Markham writes: "Comments closed writes... To put it mildly, our political leaders and pundits are not amused. -- This hits the nail on the head! " == Thanks, FM. I recommend Pomfret's China, in the Washington Post, more particularly on Taiwan and the mainland. Have a look, I believe you will enjoy. ----------- Joseph Cheng writes: "The fact is China and the Taiwan government under Mr. Ma are taking giant and important steps towards mutual understanding and reconciliation with each other. There hasn't been a single word of military threat from China's leadership since Ma became the president of Taiwan. I don't know what was the intention of the author of this article Frank Ching and the G & M editors. The headline of this article gave the impression that China was exerting military and all kinds of pressure on Taiwan." --- Uncanny, is it not, JC? My take on it is that they simply wish to avoid talking about that reconciliation, given it has no place in their respective agendas. But who cares? China and Taiwan are "moving forward", and at an accelerated pace, are they not? ---- The poor losers are Canadian citizens, who do not know or simply do not understand what is really going on. ----- Those media like the Globe are not there to inform and educate, JC... they are there to manufacture consent around what our rulers have decided we must believe..... -- That does not work anymore... there are too many sources of information around, from all over the world, and in all languages! They cannot all be controlled... We're too many also who want to really know the truth. We're winning. Democracy is winning.
  26. anonymous in Ont from Canada writes: Holy cripes china is now a democracy, no more black outs & censoring of all medias(they must now have nothing to hide or have finally decided their ppl are mature enough to handle the real truth). Wow why was this not on all media outlets..
  27. White Jade from Ireland writes: anonymous in Ont from Canada writes: He he the ccp brigade is here, go figure. Do you guys post on any other articles aside from China?

    What did I tell ya boys and girls?? anony-mouse starts off his post with the same old, same old comment...you can set your watch by him! Got anything of value to contribute mousie? As I figured, nothing. Pretty soon, woodypecker and JD will be joining him with the same arguments the made in the last 5 articles - JD will allege 83% of chinese want free elections and woodypecker wants a free media and changes to the school curriculum. Drones.
  28. anonymous in Ont from Canada writes: Well then white jade I wouldn't have to repeat myself if you ccp watch dogs for the G&M weren't always on every China article. Have you ever even posted on any other article that doesn't have china involved? No. Thanks for the confirmation. You truly are a sheep
  29. Rob L from Vancouver, Canada writes: anonymous, just what is wrong with commenting on China articles only?? Unlike some armchair experts who think they're experts on every subject, I only post on ones that interest me or have some knowledge about, I happen to be passionate about China, so my posts reflect that. By the way, I'm not White Jade, but most of my posts are China articles as well. Does that trouble you?
  30. White Jade from Ireland writes: anonymous in Ont from Canada writes: Well then white jade I wouldn't have to repeat myself if you ccp watch dogs for the G&M weren't always on every China article.

    Another silly question by anony-mouse. Would you comment on a subject about nuclear physics if you knew nothing about it? Let me throw the question back at you..why do you comment on every China article when you know nothing about China? Drone.

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