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Canada considering end to ban on military exports to Pakistan

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Defence Minister and Pakistani defence officials also agree to resume a co-operation deal that will let Islamabad's senior military officers take Canadian military training courses ...Read the full article

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  1. Richard Roskell from Canada writes:

    Let's not quibble about Pakistan's years of military dictatorship, corruption and nuclear proliferation. There's a market there; let's sell some weapons!
  2. Earl Street from Petawawa, Canada writes: Darn straight. There is a recession on, and we have to keep our second most productive manufacturing sector going now that the auto industry has collapsed.
  3. Had Enough from Canada writes: Surely there is someone in gvoernment saying: "Hey...let's not sell weapons to this hellhole of a country that almost spun out of control 18 months ago."

    Right? Surely someone sees the danger of military exports to an unstable country.
  4. 514 boy from Sudbury, Canada writes: Darn straight. There is a recession on, and we have to keep our second most productive manufacturing sector going now that the auto industry has collapsed.

    Really? What does Canada produce of military value? Avro Arrows?
  5. Basser Basser from Canada writes: Now there's a "smart and ethically sound position" right??. Pakistan would never ask such a question if the Libs were running the country. With the Conservative short hairs running the show, I'm sure Canada will sell war stuff. And then harp on about being a peaceful nation.

    PS Did you get the Pun???... "harp on"" te he
  6. Thomas Price from Whitefish, Canada writes: 514 Boy: Are you kidding we may be able to sell our most dangerous weapon, Peter McKay and if that works perhaps Mr Harper could be sold as well.
  7. Wayne Canadian from Canada writes: Who we selling to the Taliban or the Pakistan army????
  8. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country And On Top Of That I Believe It May Br Finally Time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: Basser Basser from Canada writes:

    Pakistan would never ask such a question if the Libs were running the country. With the Conservative short hairs running the show, I'm sure Canada will sell war stuff. And then harp on about being a peaceful nation.

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    "Naela Chohan, Pakistan's deputy high commissioner in Canada, said it's only fair that Ottawa lift the ban on military exports given that in 2003, it ended a ban on military exports to India that was imposed in response to nuclear weapons testing."

    Of course then it was all about nation building and upholding Canada's image on the world stage...
  9. William Enge from Lyndhurst, Canada writes: First it was the Conservative Party of Canada Travel Insurance (Khadar doesn't have it but if your rich and white you probably do) Now the Military arm of the Canadian Conservative Party want to sell you guns, bombs, bullets and jeeps (Bear Head?) but only if you live in a real crappy place Karachi!

    If we learn anything from Mulrooney, it is that we should bribe Harper to do the right thing! Money is the only thing that counts for these people.
  10. jeff franklin from Canada writes:
    Come you masters of war
    You that build all the guns
    You that build the death planes
    You that build the big bombs
    You that hide behind walls
    You that hide behind desks
    I just want you to know
    I can see through your masks

    You fasten the triggers
    For others to fire
    Then you sit back and watch
    When the death count gets higher
    You hide in your mansion
    As young people's blood
    Flows out of their bodies
    And is buried in the mud

    you masters of War
  11. A Better Canada from no-quebec, Canada writes: Nothing will change with poodle harper and naive peter.....being fooled by the Army and their lobbyists....instead of concentrating to protect the Artics....but with a gang of loosers as Canadians, who cares?
  12. The Iconoclast from Canada writes: The same Almighty Dollar at work here. Harper - a man of principle.
  13. CallofDuty . from Canada writes: I am not surprised. We are supporting the Sri Lankan government which is another facists government.
  14. O Perdana from Canada writes: Some info on Canada's military sales:
    http://coat.ncf.ca/ARMX/cansec/exports/WarExports.htm
  15. Seasoned Warrior from Been down so long it looks like up to me, Canada writes: Can this country not do better than "boys and their toys" playing cowboys and indians? It is not progressive and it is very dangerous. Don't these men have mothers? They all need a good smack and a time-out.
  16. Neo Cynic from Bahamas writes:

    ka-ching!

    ka-ching!
  17. A Better Canada from no-quebec, Canada writes: To Calloduty.....better than the naive Canadians who have been supporting the rebel separatists terrorists Tamils....by the way, all of those who did barricade downtown Toronto should be deported...if Canadians have a little respect for themselves.
  18. CallofDuty . from Canada writes: A Better Canada from no-quebec, Canada writes: To Calloduty.....better than the naive Canadians who have been supporting the rebel separatists terrorists Tamils....by the way, all of those who did barricade downtown Toronto should be deported...if Canadians have a little respect for themselves.
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    But's it ok for USA/Canada to go into any country they want and do whatever they want for the sake of their own interest? Tell me what country the USA/Canada/UK has not gone into to change in they're own interest?
  19. George BrownIII from Christmas Island writes: Lol Peter McKay doing the bidding on behalf of his dad and brian selling bearhead or bear$hit equipment yet to be manufactured in Nova Scotia. Anyway educating military officers is a great investment in future murders. The only way we could neutralize this is make sure there are always American, Indian, Afghan and Iranian military officers taking the same classes. On the other hand fertilizers, seed could also do the magic. Make the world a better place grow watermelons!
  20. John Peterson from Canada writes: Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban were armed and trained by the CIA during the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1970s. Sound familiar? Sales of military hardware and training to destablized regions is a serious error of judgement because the gains that are achieved in the short term and far outweighed by the costs in the long run. I fail to see what economic value there is in selling arms to a bankrupt country - which ironically is financing arms purchases using foreign aid and then proliferating WmD's to countries like Iran and North Korea. Far from contributing to long term stability through economic development, this creates an environment where only a feudal society can exist - because in the absence of social stability and sound economic fundamentals only power and fear can establish authority. Continuing to sell arms and training only causes militarization which is anti-thetical to global stability - especially in regions which are already flash points of violence and anarchy. It's unfortunate that Stephen Harper and Peter McKay once again prove that they are foreign policy neo-phytes - who have learned little from what history has already taught us - and have no idea what kind of shark infested waters they are swimming in. The best course of action is to provide humanitarian aid and relief to the displaced - not in cash - but directly through food, tents, and other supplies which cannot be re-directed to other unsanctioned activities.
  21. John Peterson from Canada writes: The fruit of the seed is eventually reaped by the sower. After the seed is sown and when the fruit ripens, even if the sower has forgotten, they will reap a harvest.

    Therefore, we should know what types of seeds not to sow.

    There are plenty of positive things that would yeild a good harvest, so then why would you knowingly plant that whose fruit is sorrow.
  22. Michael H from Canada writes: Might just be me but it really doesn't make all that sense to send more bombs, guns and bullets to a very unstable government.

    Jeepers, will we ever learn?
  23. CallofDuty . from Canada writes: Michael H from Canada writes: Might just be me but it really doesn't make all that sense to send more bombs, guns and bullets to a very unstable government.
    Jeepers, will we ever learn?
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    Western governments duty is to make the world unstable. It's in their best interests. I learned this long ago.
  24. John Peterson from Canada writes: CallofDuty . from Canada writes: Michael H from Canada writes: Might just be me but it really doesn't make all that sense to send more bombs, guns and bullets to a very unstable government. Jeepers, will we ever learn? --------------------------------------------------- Western governments duty is to make the world unstable. It's in their best interests. I learned this long ago. --------------------------------------------------- Instability in in their best interests? Really? The US lost the gold standard after the Vietnam war because they lost so much money in that engagement that they could no longer back their currency with hard assets. The Iraq war's costs are in the trillions. It was so expensive that if they had put that money to constructive uses they could have rebuilt all their crumbling infrastructure and given every American access to health care. Instead, they are heavily in debt and so overstretched militarily that countries like Iran can openly defy them with impunity. Not only that - but society will be paying for the health care and maintenance of all those wounded and maimed soldiers - so the residual cost will continue for decades after the actual war comes to an end. The outcome of world war 2 was that all the European colonial powers were reduced to rubble - they never recovered - even to this day they are just a shadow of their former might and influence. I think you are very much mistaken that creating instability elsewhere is a basis for your own stability and progress. For example, Japan has made huge strides economically because it has invested very little in its armed forces. As a result, all their government's budget goes towards social services, infrastructure, education, science, and research. Of course, they were smart enough to let the US be the military power, thereby outsourcing national security to another country with minimal cost to themselves. And the meek shall inherit the earth ....
  25. anonymous in Ont from Canada writes: Seasoned Warrior from Been down so long it looks like up to me, Canada writes: Can this country not do better than "boys and their toys" playing cowboys and indians? It is not progressive and it is very dangerous. Don't these men have mothers? They all need a good smack and a time-out.
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    Best post of the day lol
  26. Glynn W from Canada writes: So now we can resume seal skinned body armour exports?
  27. Bun E. Carlos from Canada writes: Pakistani military officers find Canada an excellent value for sending their children to school, and for retirement.

    Canada is becoming more attractive, because England is getting too crowded with other Pakistanis.
  28. shane hashmi from Langley, BC, Canada writes: John Peterson from Canada, good posts.
  29. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: It is in the best interest of the CF in Afghanistan for the Pakistani army to get the situation with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda under control so they do not have a safe haven from which to launch attacks into Afghanistan. Selling them what they need in order to accomplish that objective makes more sense than giving it to them.

    As for the training piece, it could help to counter the Islamic focused training of the past and help the military become more accountable to the government. Helping to develop a military that is loyal to the people and the elected government makes sense if we want the Pakistanis to succeed in establishing a more democratic style of government. To a large extent, it is the military that has kept democracy from working in Pakistan in the past.
  30. Earl Street from Petawawa, Canada writes: 514 boy from Sudbury, Canada writes: Darn straight. There is a recession on, and we have to keep our second most productive manufacturing sector going now that the auto industry has collapsed.

    Really? What does Canada produce of military value? Avro Arrows?
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    Obviously, you have been in the hole, sucking dust way too long.

    The only part of GM Canada that is making money is its LAV factory near London, for just one example.

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