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Tories attack: bad manners, bad politics

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

These ads will hurt the Conservatives far more than they will the Liberals ...Read the full article

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  1. Jean Campbell from Edmonton, Canada writes: I agree with Mr. Murphy...the ads are mean spirited..and will hurt the Conservatives. They will only indicate that the Conservatives know only how to act like bullies.

    Heaven help us if they would ever take the high road and discuss real issues.

    The ads will only help their opposition. Why, oh why, don't they realize that Canadians would appreciate a rational debate.
  2. Puk Natcha from Canada writes: Why do they do this stuff?
    Because deep inside they know they are frightened, paranoid losers.
  3. siren call from Canada writes: OH NO! The Harperites have lost Rex Murphy! Andrew Coyne might be next . . .

    These latest attack ads are all the sullen sulky meanness of Prime Sinister Steve that Murphy mentions. And they are potentially dangerous to the country.

    MONTREAL—It is unprecedented for a sitting Canadian prime minister to approve – as Stephen Harper did this week – French-language attack ads that depict a fellow federalist leader as hostile to Quebec.

    For as long as there has been a vibrant sovereignty movement, such a tactic has been deemed too potentially corrosive for the national fabric to be used to score points in a partisan game.

    Chantal Hebert
    http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/634671
  4. max stelmacker from Vancouver, Canada writes: The standing American President was on the cover of GQ long before the last election. If there are 'issues' involved in the choosing of a leader who best represents Canadians interests, it wont be found in the seams of a mens fashion magazine. The only thing the Conservs would not be able to stand about that is Harper just wouldnt cut it...so ANYWAY!
  5. C R from Canada writes: Harper's time as Prime Minister is like one big attack ad on Canada and Canadians. Good grief. He inherits a strong Canada, makes it into a weak Canada, and piles on the weakness he's created with negativity. It's like having elected the opposite of hope. They should make the guy the patron saint of vindictiveness.
  6. Jim Kelly from M'Chigeeng, Canada writes: It is true, of course, that these attack ads by a governing party outside an election are mean-spirited and humourless and plainly show once again the Conservatives lack of self-confidence and vision.

    But can we deny: 'As was done to Stéphane Dion so must it be done to Mr. Ignatieff.'? The Harper Conservatives succeeded in portraying Dion as a buffoon through their juvenile tactics. The Conservatives did not gain political credibility for themselves, but they did manage to diminish Canada's political landscape.

    What is stopping them from this tactic now?
  7. siren call from Canada writes: C R from Canada writes: It's like having elected the opposite of hope.
    ................................

    Yes, it is.

    Or said another way; it's like having elected the biggest UN-Canadian in the country.

    Doesn't drink beer, doesn't know who our top comedians are (in fact he put handcuffs on one), doesn't like Canadian culture period, can't mix and mingle, can't meet with our media, must speak from a podium and not scrum like every other PM . . .

    Does he even know what goes on inside a Tim Hortons?

    If Harper didn't pretend to be interested in hockey, I think we would have grounds to deport him.
  8. John Lee from Canada writes: Harper and the Conservatives are not just UN-Canadian, I think that they are ANTI-Canadian.

    The Conservatives are just playing the part and lulling average Canadians into thinking that they are just like us...

    The latest ads acted like an alarm for me... No to the Conservatives and NO WAY for Harper
  9. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ...paranoia strikes deep......gets you to do stupid things....
  10. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Very good article / commentary Rex. Of course you know the CPC War Room will be getting the orders shortly to come here and jump all over you now and cry a river over Media Bias..
  11. G. Veneta from Canada writes: The brain trust of small minds directed at small minds. If Canadians are so small to deride accomplishment internationally then we are a sorry pathetic country.

    Mediocrity is what it would seem the conservatives aspire to. Why is it that intelligence and sophistication is considered a pejorative for the highest office in the land? Perhaps because the current inhabitant had no accomplishments internationally as he didn't have a passport until in politics. It is remarkable that Canada could ever elect a man that had never been off the continent in such a diverse nation.

    This is pure ignorance and jealousy towards a formidable opponent and pure contempt for Canadians that are suffering the worst economic collapse of our lifetime. That this money is taxpayer subsidized with the 75% refund for political donations makes it all that more foul in light of the debt these clowns are racking up.

    This is so below the belt and disgusting but shows there are NO LOWS to which Harper will not stoop.

    Canada used to be better than this. I hope Canadians are better than this.
  12. G. Veneta from Canada writes: CR,

    GREAT POST! Thank you. You nailed it as did Rex M.

    I hope the PM that wakes up on the wrong side of bed of life soon vacates so Canada can get it's optimism and hope and joy back! That and aspire to greatness instead of mediocrity.
  13. Kevin Desmoulin from TO, Canada writes: Rex Murphy is the sea change,I hope in this country. lol
    Ya, they like to be mean.
  14. Bernard Fitzpatrick from Canada writes: Great joke Tony Willis!
  15. North Star from Canada writes: Harper is a walking attack ad on himself..

    - 'never touch income trusts'
    - 'a recession would already happened by now'
    - 'buy stocks'
    - 'absolutely no deficit'

    The LPC won't have to fish back decades, scavenging for odd clips to show out of context - they can just play back Harper as PM and keep pointing to the mounting unemployment numbers on his watch.
  16. J M from Canada, Canada writes: I'm not a big fan of attack ads, but Iggy really annoys me with his decades-long absence. He might be qualified to be a British Prime Minister, but certainly not a Canadian one. Where was he during the 95 referendum? Giving some BBC interviews? The fact that the Liberals need to import someone who is really quasi-Canadian to lead them is quite pathetic. No, Harper is not perfect, but he has lived here his whole life and paid his taxes here. Do any of the above posters have any memory of the vicious '04 Liberal attack ads that painted Harper as some sort of personification of the devil? How Canada was going to fall apart, how everyone's rights would be curtailed? Remember how the Liberals and the Liberal friendly media tore Stockwell Day apart because he rode a SeaDoo to a press conference? Turns out Stock Day is one of the best cabinet ministers in this Conservative government. So if you're going to bash the CPC over the anti-Iggy ads, which portray Iggy's desire to leave Canada for three decades and live in other countries, then don't forget the 2004 and 2006 federal elections where the Martin Liberals made accused Harper of all sorts of conspiracies.
  17. North Star from Canada writes: The Harper attack ads don't close with the legally required audio 'this message paid for by...' message but Harper has little regard for the law.
  18. censured ... from Canada writes: ...seems the Conservatives are nearing desperation...two minority governments in the face of a nasty scandal and an inept Liberal leader sure walks and talks like a dead duck.
  19. North Star from Canada writes: Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Very good article / commentary Rex. Of course you know the CPC War Room will be getting the orders shortly to come here and jump all over you now and cry a river over Media Bias..

    ---

    Sask & J M have arrived as you predicted - with the CPC talking points covered. Instead of discussing Harper, they try change the channel.
  20. North Star from Canada writes: Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: North Star, we don't follow the American rules requiring the audio 'this message authorized by...'

    ....The Toronto mafia only calls other names.
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    Thanks for clarification!

    Also, you have to include Harper taking out an attack ad on national television in your name caller list.

    as you know, political parties make millions of dollars when getting elected ($1.95 a vote subsidy) and so tax dollars are indirectly funding the spiteful CPC attack ads.
  21. John Bladen from Canada writes:
    It is a colossal strategic mistake for any party in power to launch attack ads against their opponents outside of an election campaign - a point I made to my MP earlier today. By taking the trouble (and expense) to put Mr. Ignatieff's face on tv, the CPC are inadvertently lending legitimacy to his opposition.

    As a rough analogy, imagine walking down the street and meeting someone new, only to have them respond to the proferred 'Hi, how are you?' with the blurted non-sequitor 'I've never been convicted of a felony'.

    You have to ask yourself why the tories felt the need to attack someone they aren't presently running against? Ruling parties really ought to act like they are busy governing, not like they are worried about losing power.
  22. kevin joncas from Canada writes: The biggest problem with attack ads is that they work. It does not require much intellectual capital to evoke an intended response.
  23. Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: North Star from Canada wrote: 'as you know, political parties make millions of dollars when getting elected ($1.95 a vote subsidy) and so tax dollars are indirectly funding the spiteful CPC attack ads.'

    Don't you wish that the Harper had been able to get rid of the vote subsidy in Novermber? Then the Conservatives would have had to convince people to donate money to them to use for the ads about Iggy.
  24. The Bull from Canada writes: the modern definition of 'mean-spirited': you tell the truth, you are mean.

    lord help us all.
  25. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Oh, apparently the Conservatives want their hands on the levers of power and the pursestrings of the national purse - not because they want power or believe that they have a right to govern - lawdy, no, they want to he'p the people.
  26. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:

    and the pundits slowly flip.....this is truly the beginning ogf the end for the Harper government.
  27. Kublah Khan from Canada writes: Attack ads were successful in the US and Harper likes to bring American policies and ideas into Canada, but he forgets, or does not know, that Canadians are different, they do not like attack ads. Unfortunately, Harper has a personality that does not allow him to admit he was wrong, so the attack ads continue. I predict that after the next election the attack ads will cease in Canada.
  28. Doris Wrench Eisler from St. Albert, Canada writes: Amen to all of that. How an individual, party or country, for that matter, fights says everything. The admirable sort would rather go down than resort to dishonorable, not to mention puerile, stupid and/or brutal tactics.
    (Nice irony too, as Mr. Murphy points out, in Western wagon-circlers calling others outsiders).
  29. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: We all expect some negative, attack ads during elections. This is not an election. Mr. Harper is supposed to be governing. He's supposed to be reaching across the aisle to seek consensus. Mr. Harper is not doing his job, the job Canadians are paying him for.
  30. Wave Length from Toronto, Canada writes: Uh huh.

    The 'Conservatism' of Stephen Harper, like that of Mike Harris, is a low-class phenomenon.

    The Conservative Party has a big investment in low-class and dumb.

    Do Canadians see themselves as low-class?

    Do Canadians see themselves as dumb?
  31. Z Gray from Canada writes: It's verily a breath of fresh air that the PC's are taking potshots at Iggy the returnable. The libs put down their deposit on a quasi worldly intellect who can't connect with anybody worth while.. After he loses for the libs, he'll head back whence he came, nose in the air a l'obama, preaching the equality of the masses and the nonsense of wealth spreading ignominious and flatulent diatribe to coming generations of pretenders like Diane Marie who ventures into these threads with the typical liberal shtick of feigning the lack of desire of power and financial purse strings. All politicians are in it, regardless of political stripe for these two elements alone. Wait another 12 months and watch the repercussions of the worlds super power diminish, our safety compromised, not just from the current round of terrorism , but the not so distant one of Europeans and Russians looking to plant their flag on our northern lands replete with natural resources fading in those countries. Threaders speak of personality, but Harper's is simply one of dullard task master with his nose continually to the grindstone, unlike the liberal fashionistas swallowing the latest avant garde nonsense emanating from the drivel meisters of the Toronto Star and the New York Times. It is a pity that Diane Marie had to stoop to a racist replication of Jesse Jackson's speech mannerisms, but she has unfortunately been much of a realist from Calgary. Rex has written an interesting personal positional piece, but that doesn't mean he is departing the fold to allow the left into the hip pocket containing his wallet.
  32. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    No they won't.

    The immediate question is this...

    If Ignatieff is Canadian why did he proclaim himself to be American?
    Many times.
    Gretzky has dual citizenship.

    Ignatieff does not.
    Only Gretzky can claim to be American.

    Yet when he speaks to American academia he refers to himself as one them.
    An American.

    Listen carefully, Americans.
    The American is about to speak.

    He is going to berate you on the absolute justification for pre-emptive war and the use of torture to better that war.

    Ignatieff.
    An American wannabe.
  33. Liberals not fit to govern and not fit to be a Party from Canada writes: Z Gray - Well said. I have the same thought that when Iggy loses the next election he will leave Canada again and take up where he left off.

    I like my leaders to be ruthless and bas***ds. But what I like about Harper is that he has not allowed power to corrupt him or developed a sense of entitlement. I either came to extremely dislike or I disliked PMs like Trudeau, Mulroney, Chretian because of their arrogance, their belief that they deserved and craved power but mostly because they abused their authority.

    What separates Harper from the others and why his personal approval ratings are so high among Conservative supporters is because he does not display the arrogance that other PM's have displayed. He does not abuse his authority with everyday Canadians. He appears honest , humble and practical. Yes he can be ruthless, bad tempered and mean on occasion but that goes with the territory.
  34. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Michael Sharp:-- If Mr. Ignatieff desired to be American citizen, all he needed to do was apply for American citizenship. I can't imagine that he would have been rejected. Christopher Hitchens wasn't. Therefore, we can assume that he wanted to keep his Canadian citizenship because he was attached to it.

    Had Mr. Harper been PM, we would definitely have been in the Iraq war. In fact, Mr. Harper wouldn't have cared if our participation had been sanctioned by the UN. Mr. Harper pressed Mr. Chretien to declare on Iraq even before the UN had produced a resolution. Mr. Harper is not a multilateralist.

    Liberals:-- You're recycling your posts. The errors in them are becoming deja-vu-like.
  35. Angry West Coast Canuck from Canada writes: Anyone positively influenced by this mud slinging was probably already voting Tory anyway. Harper can't do anything 'clean' because (1) he's incapable of it and (2) in order to praise oneself, one needs to have done something praiseworthy, and Harper hasn't managed to do anything yet even though he's had a free reign for years.

    Not sure about Ignatief, but for me someone who has actually learned something from their education is preferable to a buffoon like Harper who simply slipped through while dealing with his profs the same way he deals with his caucus - through intimidation and bullying.
  36. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    If nothing else, these ads have initiated a dialogue.

    Is a man who has lived outside the country for 35 years and identifies himself as an American citizen, the man we want to run our country?

    It's a legitimate question.
  37. Liberals not fit to govern and not fit to be a Party from Canada writes: DM - would that be like Not the Alliance, Mike Sty, Con Hack, JR and of course you!
  38. Frank Streicher from Halifax, writes: The beauty about attack ads is that they can so easily be deconstructed and satirized . The link below my quick take on the subject.
    http://www.harperem.frankstreicher.com/index.html .
  39. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    There are times when I look at the CPC and they appear to take a step forward, only to follow up with 2 steps backwards.

    Washing dirty political laundry on an international forum, engaging the US foreign press more than the Canadian press and people, and now this leaves me shaking my head and wondering about the advisors

    Regardless of the other Party partisans howling their usual junk on these fora, a cold analysis of a rather panicky and obviously dangerous strategy is at play here.

    There is no doubt that every Party has its solid base ( give or take a point or two) and regardless of almost any situation, it breaks down as follows:

    Solid Base CPC:30% -Solid Base LPC:30%-Solid Base NDP:15%
    Solid Base BQ:10%-Solid base GPC: 05%

    Voters at play in most elections 10%.

    This dangerous strategy is based on wooing this fleeing 10% who pay little attention to the day to day political shenanigans and believe their vote comes down to how their life is going.

    I mention dangerous because of the Quebec dynamic where the adds clearly paint the federalist MI as anti-Quebec and plays right into the hands of Duceppe without him needing to be the negative culprit.
    .
  40. Harry Smothers from Valga, Estonia writes: These Conservatives don't have the class of a Robert Stanfield or a Joe Clark, do they, Rex? It's better to lose than to play the game this way, isn't it, Rex? It's not better to have hated and lost than to have never hated at all, is it, Rex? All ridicule should be banned from humour, shouldn't it, Rex? All meanness should be banned from politics, shouldn't it, Rex? Both are acceptable in the media, aren't they, Rex? But politicians should be held to a higher standard than the media, shouldn't they, Rex?

    Ignatieff understands (Harper doesn't) his place and our place, and the place of politicians and the place of the media, and everything works better when everything is in its right place, doesn't it, Rex? Politicians who use ridicule and humour don't know their place, do they, Rex? Canadians are not sophisticated enough to understand that ridicule and humour are the exclusive purview of the media (are they?) and therefore can easily be duped when politicians broadcast competing messages... can't they, Rex?

    Things were better the way they used to be, weren't they, Rex? A place for everything and everything in its place, right, Rex? Things have become too crude, too common, haven't they, Rex? There's no class anymore, is there, Rex? Michael Ignatieff can restore some class to the system and get everything back to normal, can't he, Rex?

    Then you can retire in peace, right, Rex?
  41. C R from Canada writes: What kind of example does Stephen Harper, as Prime Minister of Canada, set for our children? That one advances in life not by the merits of one's personal achievements, but rather by personally attacking the character of those around as a way to discredit them? Is this the example of a Prime Minister of Canada for us and for our children?
  42. Robert Dryburgh from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Ignatieff's years away from Canada is probably a good thing. He wasn't steeping in the self righteous, sanctimonious brew that seems to makes this country up.
  43. KT Ocean from Canada writes: Canadians can have better government and more respect and content in political discourse if we demand it. Tell Harper and the Conservatives how you feel about attack ads outside of an election period that have nothing to do with policy differences - nothing to do with things that actually will make a difference to Canadians. Fight back for a better Canada!
  44. Lana Tam from Canada writes: Too bad Ignatieff does not have a speech impediment or a crooked lip. Then they'd really go to town, eh?
  45. Ya Basta! from Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes: 'If nothing else, these ads have initiated a dialogue. Is a man who has lived outside the country for 35 years and identifies himself as an American citizen, the man we want to run our country? It's a legitimate question.'

    Yep. And so is whether somebody who wanted a firewall around Alberta is fit to run Canada.

    Don't you agree?
  46. Canadian citizen from Canada writes: C R from Canada writes: Harper's time as Prime Minister is like one big attack ad on Canada and Canadians. Good grief. He inherits a strong Canada, makes it into a weak Canada, and piles on the weakness he's created with negativity. It's like having elected the opposite of hope. They should make the guy the patron saint of vindictiveness.

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    C R from Canada: I think you said it well when you said:

    'It's like having elected the opposite of hope.'

    I wonder if the Harperites are aware that they are not very well-qualified as a government (neither in terms of background, experience, and/or education) to handle the running of a nation in our complex world... and this is why they are so paranoid and mean-spirited. Could it be a defensive mechanism to hide their incompetence?

    Harper sees the world in black and white terms at a time when the ability to deal with complexity is paramount to governing well. Although he may be very intelligent, he lacks sophistication. The proof: sticking with these ridiculous attack ads. If that is all he has to offer he has very little to offer. It's the typical 'deflection' tactic the neo cons so love. . .
  47. Fundy tides are mighty from Canada writes:

    Just to make sure I've got this right, but the Tory arguement boils down to Ignatief being too smart and worldly to be Prime Minister? Good luck with that.

    Look, attack ads work, but in Canada they only work up to a point, and that point of diminishing returns is in 'minority government' territory. With these childish ads, the Tories are obviously beyond the point of diminishing returns. They're moving into 'opposition' territory.
  48. Canadian citizen from Canada writes: Ya Basta! from Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes: 'If nothing else, these ads have initiated a dialogue. Is a man who has lived outside the country for 35 years and identifies himself as an American citizen, the man we want to run our country? It's a legitimate question.'

    Yep. And so is whether somebody who wanted a firewall around Alberta is fit to run Canada.
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    Yes, I agree. While I don't agree with attack ads AT ALL, it would be nice if the opposition could somehow remind Canadians of Harper's past words and deeds once in a while, for those are truly scary.
  49. RandoM X from Canada writes: The Tories must be desperate, or failing that, sitting on so much money, they don`t know what to do with it. I`m not an Iggy fan, but the attack ads, as ridiculous as they are, made me reconsider.
    .
    To paraphrase the ads: `You wouldn`t want to vote for this man: he`s well-educated, has opinions, and is recognized on the world-stage.` By implication, Stephen Harper is the opposite. Yeah, I want a leader that`s the diametric opposite to Michael Ignatieff. Great strategy, boys.
  50. Michael Bednarski from Toronto, Canada writes: Future Conservative commercial:

    'Ignatieff is not a real Canadian. He uses Dijon mustard on his fancy hamburger. Don't vote for this man who has Dijon mustard all over his face!' [Face turns a couple of shades browner.]
  51. Gottalove Toronto from Canada writes: The attack ads make Mr. Ignatieff look rather good. I have not liked him much, but now that I see the ads, I find him rather appealing. Whereas Mr. Harper is creepy. Strange thing that those attack ads have the opposite effect than what is intended.
  52. Auroran Bear from Montreal, Canada writes: Funny, I don't see the right celebrating Rex's column this week.

    Truth hurts doesn't it kiddies?
  53. J Law from Canada writes: Our attack ads are always the truth; your's are an American scheme that is nothing but low down lies. Harump! Your's won't work, but I bet ours will!
  54. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, the Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent... and this is due to their lack of leadership., Canada writes: Harper's behaviour stems from an inbred sense of entitlement. He believes that he deserves a majority, he didn't get one, so he's been having a 3 year hissy fit, whereby he blames the Liberals, his core cult members blame Ontario (now Quebec), and they continue to insult the intelligence of every Canadian except themselves.

    Anybody who was going to vote for Harper based upon attack tactics, already has. He's not going to stake any new ground doing what he's been doing for the past 3 years in office, and multiple years in opposition. But divisive attack politics is Harper's comfort zone. It's also why he is so clueless internationally - because when Statesmanship and diplomacy are required, Harper is completely out of his element.

    Unfortunately for Canada's fiscal position, Harper is smart enough to realize that the ONLY guaranteed way he will attract support is to buy it. So watch out, as Harper the 'Conservative' opens up the taps and spends his way to, at best, another minority and for Canada a HUGE structural deficit. The man is a disaster as PM.
  55. vincent furnier from montreal, Canada writes: Michael Ignatieff may have once been physically absent from Canada, but Stephen Harper was -- and remains -- spiritually and intellectually absent.

    The attack ads are the death knell of the CPC as leaders of this country.
  56. Kan Tankerous from Tronna, Canada writes:

    Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    'If nothing else, these ads have initiated a dialogue.'

    ***

    Indeed they have Mike.

    People are discussing CCRAP's fitness to govern.

    It doesn't look good for you.
  57. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, the Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent... and this is due to their lack of leadership., Canada writes: By the way, anybody who has followed politics AND Harper (since his days as a lobbyist for the NCC) should not be surprised by his conduct. He has been the beneficiary of circumstance and would have never been allowed out of the backroom had it not been for the decimation of the PC's, and the fractured 'right', followed by Adscam under the liberals.

    The term 'pond scum' comes to mind when you think about Harper's rise.
  58. Auroran Bear from Montreal, Canada writes: Here's an effective ad:

    http://tinyurl.com/bno3j2
  59. D Roberts from Canada writes: Canadians need to know that Ignatieff spent his working life outside of Canada and considers himself an American, apparently. The message (this truth) is fair game, but this is not the way to do it. There are better ways to get the message out. But in fact, a few million Canadians (even Liberals) will not vote for Ignatieff when they discover who he is, and where he's worked. They will not vote for a parachute candidate.

    Also, I predict Iggy will be a very weak campaigner. And he's an easy target on issues, as he holds most every side on each. It will be a very close fight, but Harper will win another minority. And Iggy will go back to Harvard.
  60. rablais rabble from Canada writes: The PM has brought the Mike Harris Ontario Conservatives to run Ottawa. (They have seen the error of their ways and why they were drubbed in the Ontario election).

    This time, NO MORE MR NICE GUY!

    These Ontario Harrisites can't be trusted to manage the economy. They can't be trusted to have a compassionate vision (or any vision for that matter). These are mean, people-busting, bast@$ds!
  61. cold air from Canada writes: What a lot of dopey comments ... and not Rex's finest work.

    The purpose of negative ads is to invigorate your base and turn the undecided away from participating in the process at all. They aren't to convince people to vote for you. -- they convince people to campaign for you, or not vote at all.

    I am disappointing no link was made between the liberal the leader and a certain flag-waving American muppet.

    I would like the election to be between doughboy and iggy the eagle ... Layton and Duceppe can play themselves.
  62. Canadian citizen from Canada writes: vincent furnier from montreal, Canada writes: Michael Ignatieff may have once been physically absent from Canada, but Stephen Harper was -- and remains -- spiritually and intellectually absent.
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    Well said, Vincent!

  63. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, the Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent... and this is due to their lack of leadership., Canada writes: D Roberts from Canada writes: 'It will be a very close fight, but Harper will win another minority. '

    I agree that the next gov't will be another minority (maybe Harper, maybe not). IF it's another Harper minority, it will hopefully result in leadership reviews at BOTH parties. Think of the BILLIONS that Harper has and will be throwing around to buy every vote. IF he gets another minority it's certainly not a good return on his 'investment' in himself (using OUR MONEY).
  64. JustThinking of Canada from Canada writes: Hello out there - you folks that are so gullible. If you're going to comment, at least make an effort to do some research.

    Just in case you don't want to keep making fools of your partisan selves (Con trollers) - Ignatieff was in the US 'only 5 years'. Got it?

    I think Harper's jealous because that photo on the magazine shows that Iggy is much more handsome than Harper.....LOL.

    And, who in hell thinks they have the right to decide who's Canadian enough or not? How arrogant.

    I'm middle class and I hate Tim Horton's coffee and their sandwiches where the bread/buns are so dry.
  65. Canadian citizen from Canada writes: Power continues to flow unabated to the Prime Minister and his appointed officials, some of whom distinguished themselves this week by 'taking a day off' from running the country to unveil the attack ads.

    While hardly unique to Conservatives, extreme partisanship is now the Ottawa norm. It makes nonsense of those other populist principles of accountability and broad-spectrum participation in polishing public policy. After promising transparency and open democracy, Harper is delivering arguably the most closed and controlling government of modern times.

    Conservatives have a political interest as well as a right to ask where Michael Ignatieff has been. A more pressing question for the rest of us is where, exactly, is Stephen Harper taking this country and its declining democracy. .... James Travers, The Star....
  66. joe h from oakville, Canada writes: Between Mulroney and Dhala and all the growing nastiness in US politics, the average Canadian is likely just sick and tired of all of the political bullshit at the moment. While I agree with the message of the adds the timing is just good.
  67. Charles Dickens from Hamilton, Canada writes: For the far right agenda to work, such as the Bush, Reagan, Thatcher and Harris you need a 'bad guy' or an 'evil empire', or 'welfare bums'. This is just the way that these people think. Maybe it's because neo-Conservatism has proven to be a failure everywhere, so they can't actually talk about their own policies.
  68. Robert Dryburgh from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada writes: Attack advertising is just Canadian politics. The hardliners will never change their votes. These are designed to push the fence sitters one way or the other. Voter apathy and the status quo type will keep us in minority governments for some time yet. As someone has pointed out, these adds may be helping Mr. Ignatieff. I’m starting to watch Michael Ignatieff and like what I see although have no problems with Stephen Harper. I was a long time Liberal supporter, but as I grew older. became disenchanted with most of their policies. The PC platform is more in line with my beliefs. I don’t support the conservatives in my area because I can’t stand Rob Bruinoogle. He is a smug, narrow minded opportunist and unworthy of support. The Liberal candidate was defiantly the better man. It was a no show for me.
  69. boz dobbs from toronto, Canada writes: Let,s face it,If Mr.Ignatieff had joined the Conservative Party the Liberals would be using the same tactics against him if he were their leader,only worse.It,s just best to play the victim act after DOCTOR RUBY and Brian Mulroney this week.
  70. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: Can they not at least understand that it is precisely this attitude, more than any other factor, that has kept them frozen in the polls near the low 30s - that has denied them any measurable, sustained growth - from the moment of their first victory?

    The short answer is NO, they can't.

    HarperCons are not choosing to merely act like ignorant, knuckle-dragging bully-scum. The are behaving in accordance with their nature.

    It avails nothing to hope they can change or expect them to learn -- a tory is a tory just like a snake is a snake and a rat is a rat and a filthy screeching flea-picking baboon is a filthy screeching flea-picking baboon.
  71. Chad Marshall from Hobart, writes: Oh please. The Conservatives don't have a monopoly on all things negative. The Liberals and their media friends did a pretty good smear job back in the 90's, of damning Preston Manning for daring to speak with a squeaky voice, having an unappealing coif, and wearing glasses. They kept trying with Harper and his 'stiff' bearing. God forbid today's Conservatives should attack a Liberal for being out of touch and, essentially, vacuous. Generally speaking, the media want a vacuous Liberal leader; they're easier to deify, like any old American-styled TV star. Dion was an impossible material to work with. But Ignatieff will do just great. Naturally, a young-Trudeau would be better--but he'll have to wait until the media decides he's ready. In the meantime, my kudos to the Conservatives for having to perennially swim against a red tide...
  72. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: Funny how you state it Rex, I feel that the federal Liberals do not reach out to me and don't make me feel welcome under their tent since I don't live in Toronto nor Montreal.

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    Reciting talking points is to democratic discourse what spam is to email.
  73. Canadian citizen from Canada writes: boz dobbs from toronto, Canada writes: Let,s face it,If Mr.Ignatieff had joined the Conservative Party the Liberals would be using the same tactics against him if he were their leader,only worse.
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    Nobody is as nasty as the neo cons and that's a fact. Harper has imported this crap from the US and should be ashamed of himself. He is the one who is trying to turn canada into the US, he's the one who is buddies with George W - why doesn't he move to Texas so he can be close to his hero and just leave Canada intact. Maybe Fox will hire him as a political commentator down there - he'd certainly fit right in (and THAT's not the Canada I want!).
  74. Make it Seven from Canada writes: I have worked in over 20 different Countries and always payed my Canadian taxes, I never missed voting in a Canadian election, I have never denounced my Canadian citizenship and never ever told anyone I was an American.

    Did Mr Ignatieff lie to Americans, is he lying to Canadians or has he lied to the British.
  75. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: J M from Canada, Canada writes: ... Do any of the above posters have any memory of the vicious '04 Liberal attack ads that painted Harper as some sort of personification of the devil?

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    Prescient.
  76. Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: 'The ads, I predict, will hurt the Conservatives, far more than they will trim the rising Ignatieff Liberals.'

    Rex nailed it.
  77. gary wilson from writes: I can't stand this kind of politics. It's childish and offensive and very very unCanadian.
  78. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    If nothing else, these ads have initiated a dialogue.

    Is a man who has lived outside the country for 35 years and identifies himself as an American citizen, the man we want to run our country?

    It's a legitimate question.
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    Yeah--and the legitimate answer is called 'Tories: bad manners, bad politics', which you clearly embrace. And Harpo is an American wannabe, implementing Rovian tactics. Hypocrisy, they name is Sharp.

    (With apologies to Tears For Fears)
    Sharp, Sharp
    Bright as a lout
    Doesn't know what the hell he's talking about
    Come on!
    Get past grade 2
    Come on!
  79. Harry Smothers from Valga, Estonia writes: Lana Tam from Canada writes: Too bad Ignatieff does not have a speech impediment or a crooked lip. Then they'd really go to town, eh?
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    The Liberal urban legend of how the so-called Chretien 'crooked face' ad backfired: This is an example of the same superstitious stale messaging that lost the Liberals the last two elections. 'Firewall', 'angry man', 'welfare state', 'soldiers in the street' 'beer and popcorn' 'not fit to lead' 'not Canadian': If there was any resonance with these messages the messages would have stuck before. 'Not a leader' seemed to stick well enough.

    If Ignatieff was the next Trudeau, there'd be 'new people, new ideas.' There aren't. If he was as smart as Liberals let on, he would have been able to convince Rae or Dion to come over to his side in 2005 to avoid these predictable lost Liberal years. He isn't!

    Ignatieff couldn't have had a plan at the outset (other than an acceptance speech). If he did, it failed miserably. (Paul Martin's odyssey began in 1968 and he put in a decade of service--and backstabbing--in the 90s before he ascended to the throne.)

    'Just visiting', 'just passing through', 'on sabbatical', 'here for a good time, not for a long time': They all resonate; they all basically say the same thing.

    You can intellectualize many things, but you can't intellectualize experience. Ignatieff left it all too late.
  80. Canadian citizen from Canada writes:

    I wonder -- when the nightmare that is the Harper government is over-- who will go down as the most despised PM in Canadian history?

    Harper is giving Mulroney a run for his money!!
  81. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: ...Rex's article mentions Iggy more often that Harper and tries to complain that the ads are not a fair representation of Iggy.

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    No, he complains that the things they criticise are stupid thing to criticise someone about. He's saying the HarperCons are not just sleazebags, but dumb as a bag of hammers sleazebags so wrapped up in their own bizarre worldview that they will actualy advertise their opponent's good points thinking they are detractions.

    LOL!

    It's really no wonder a band of dunces like Harpo and his gang can't govern worth spit.
  82. Al Fershaw from Windermere, Canada writes: Stevie's last stand ?
  83. J Law from Canada writes: The Liberals and their media friends have been predicting, for years, that the Conservative attack ads will do the Conservatives no good while proclaiming their attack ads to be truthful messages that should be heeded by the masses. But, then again, aren't Conservative supporters saying the same thing.
  84. S. Ives from Ottawa, Canada writes: Whew, lots of stuff in these comments!

    Rex Murphy is very upset with the ads. His last several articles have been throw-aways and nearly thoughtless. This time he is using words as a rapier and has put away his thesarus. His column is tightly written, plain, and simple. It is his strongest writing I've yet seen.

    It's never the red-faced hothead's fury you have to worry about, it's the white-faced mild 'accountant' who is going to rip your lungs out when you drive him over the edge.

    As for the ads, I haven't seen them. I don't think I'm missing much that I didn't see with those focusing on Dion. I assume they are playing during the playoffs, but I only see the overtimes.

    Full disclosure, I sent a cheque to Bob Rae to help with his campaign debt and I read Ignatieff's Baltic series. I'll buy Harper's hockey book when it comes out. I don't have problems with Tim Horton's sandwiches, but their coffee is awful so I bring a thermos for the road.

    And I vote.
  85. One Voice from leftcoast, Canada writes: Come on Rex, you know very well that Canadians prefer a Prime Minister who had never been out of the country before becoming PM, a Prime Minister who distains reading let alone writing anything of a serious nature, a Prime Minister whose formal education is an MA in economics, a Prime Minister who has never worked at a real job in his life except for his paper route as a youngster, and a Prime Minister who clings to power by dividing the country.
  86. Charles Dickens from Hamilton, Canada writes: In the meantime, my kudos to the Conservatives for having to perennially swim against a red tide...

    Firstly: They are not true Conservatives, they are Reform party usurpers.
    secondly:
    Maybe they need to swim against the tide because their policies are now and have proven everywhere in the world to be colossal failures.
  87. Auroran Bear from Montreal, Canada writes: @ Curly Maple, well done :)
  88. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: charles ennals from nanoose bay b.c., Canada writes: Rex I usually agree with your point of view , however on this issue you are clearly wrong ! The Liberal Party will do what it has to do to get hold of the purse strings again and to maintain their self serving claim to the right to govern.

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    I can't be the only citizen getting tired of hearing this constant program of rote talking points.

    It's like voters are trapped in a compound in Waco Texas under seige by CCRAPheads with huge speakers going on and on and on ...
  89. Joe Wallach from Russell, Ontario, Canada writes: I, a conservative supporter, am not impressed with the attack ads. It would be far more fruitful for all political parties to trumpet their documented successes and even point out the failures of the other parties, but to go after an individual, should be regarded as off limits. Obviously, Harper and company are afraid of Ignatieff, and maybe with reason
  90. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: Liberals not fit to govern and not fit to be a Party from Canada writes: Well Wave Length I would have to be pretty dumb if I were ever to vote Liberal again.

    After all they taxed me near to death. They wasted my money on foolish boondoggles and other unaccountable activities. They fail to represent Canada internationally in a moral principled manner. They accomplish very little legislative work in the HoC. Generally, I dislike their negativity. I put up with it for years. I don't ever want to put up with it again.

    ====================

    ... and on and on and on. They don't even try to engage others with sensible criticisms. The Liberal Party has been in government for large portions of our history -- if we acknowledge that Canada is an enviable place to the majority of the world, then such sweeping criticisms of the Liberals are simply ludicrous. But that doesn't stop the armband brigades from chanting it over and over and over ...
  91. Not Convinced from Canada writes: Canadians don't like meanness? Not so sure after reading through the comments here.
  92. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, the Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent... and this is due to their lack of leadership., Canada writes: Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: 'It's like voters are trapped in a compound in Waco Texas under seige by CCRAPheads with huge speakers going on and on and on ... '

    It's a true cult mentality. When you criticize Harper they take it personally and attack you rather than refute the criticism. It's very strange and weird. The other bizarre behaviour is the mass delusion that Harper is honest and accountable, and the arrogance that only THEY know what they're doing, and inability to admit error even when they fck up. A 'Doing a heckuvva job Steveee' mentality.

    If it's not a mass delusion then they're either clueless or lying.
  93. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: CONSERVATIVE TALKING POINTS LEAKED TO WIKI-LEAKS

    Someone in the Conservative camp has leaked the entire talking-points package and posted it to Wiki-leaks. Feel free to download a copy, and then watch for speaking opportunities next week by your nearest Conservative MP.

    https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/CanadianConservativePartyMayConstiuencyWeekCaucusPack%2CMay_2009

    http://tinyurl.com/ogtkh6
  94. Canadian citizen from Canada writes:
    In the larger unity picture, the notion of a prime minister launching an advertising campaign to fuel a nationalist backlash against another national party leader is the equivalent of poisoning a common well in the hope that one's neighbour will be the first to die. . . Chantal Hebert
  95. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, the Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent... and this is due to their lack of leadership., Canada writes: Not Convinced from Canada writes: 'Canadians don't like meanness? Not so sure after reading through the comments here.'

    We're talking about official, gov't sanctioned behaviour here. The response is justified because these guys are supposed to be working for US. Harper is blurring the lines between campaigning and governing - actually erasing is more accurate. Campaigning is a 24/7 job with Harper and things like Infrastructure spending announcements take a backseat - waiting until the attack ads are launched before making any announcements.

    You think this is 'mean'? I think it's our sociopathic PM getting the respect he has earned.
  96. Tio Pepe from Parry Sound, Canada writes: What should Canadians expect from Harper and his 'reformists' but more nastiness. They have been sinking in the polls because of their own nastiness and they cannot find anything better than serving us more nastiness. I think that Harper and the Conservative Party needs an influential somebody to make them undestand that they are shooting themselves in the foot with their nastiness. That may take quite a while since nastiness seems to be inherent in the DNA of these 'distinguished' and 'delightful' people.
  97. Comments closed, censored, hidden, deleted, disappeared from Peso-onie land, Canada writes: The word to use is 'degrading'. What is done in this case is degrading. Those who lack imagination, vision and creativity enough to do that degrade themselves. They demonstrate they are incapable, therefore do not deserve to lead, let alone to be in power. --- To vote for such people is itself degrading. None of them, none of the above... and none of the others either. Of the people, by the people, for the people. That's what we need.
  98. Auroran Bear from Montreal, Canada writes: Harper can't bring his party up to the level of reasonable debate so his ads bring others down to his level.
  99. Retired from Niagara from Canada writes: Well said, as always, Rex.
  100. B R from GTA, Canada writes: I am always surprised to observe that Harper's supporters do not see themselves as mean-spirited cowards who cannot communicate in a civilized way with their fellow countrymen.

    When called on their wrong-headed attitude towards any one not agreeing with them all they can do is shout more insults.

    Harper supporters, you do not , and never will represent me and millions of Canadians with your aggressive , harmful attitude towards any one who dares to disagree with you.
  101. Stephen P from Cambridge, ON (NOT Mass.), Canada writes: If the Liberals regard themselves as the natural governing party, the Conservatives seem to see themselves as the natural opposition party. They act like opposition even in government. Opposing the opposition isn't governing, it's merely lame.
  102. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: cold air wrote: ...The purpose of negative ads is to invigorate your base and turn the undecided away from participating in the process at all. They aren't to convince people to vote for you. -- they convince people to campaign for you, or not vote at all.

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    Interesting comment.

    If negative ads are intended to discourage voting, then they are a calculated attack on democracy itself.

    That fits the pattern of these Cons to a T: breaking the election date law, trying to buy MP votes, lying about the constitution, secretly stripping citizens rights, defying Parliament, cultish followers reciting the Leader's slogan's, police appointing judges, setting one 'kind' of people against another, ... this is a familiar roadmap to people with a grasp of 20th century history.

    (Of course, Harper and his ideological colleagues world-wide are in an undeclared war against public education, especially of 'useless' disciplines like history.)

  103. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: kevin joncas from Canada writes: The biggest problem with attack ads is that they work. It does not require much intellectual capital to evoke an intended response.
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    They don't always work.
    If they did, we would be talking about Pres McCain.
  104. Robin H From Toronto from Canada writes: Great column. We all need to watch out for, reach out to, and nurse back to a healthy level of integrity, any Canadian who drinks the human waste the Harper government serves through these attack ads at a time of global recession and between elections. Appalling.

    What kind of Canadian respects this trashy level of leadership? This is not governing. We've seen nothing but sandbox games for years.

    Who are the Canadians who think Harper's government is achieving anything of value for this country?
  105. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: JustThinking of Canada from Canada writes: ... And, who in hell thinks they have the right to decide who's Canadian enough or not? How arrogant.

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    LOL! Iggy better not go outside of Canada or that scouse Larry Cannon will put him on the no fly list and revoke his passport.
  106. David Gay from Canada writes: Attack ads are a sensitive issue for Mr. Harper because they are, ultimately, his central legacy issue. When his official portrait is commissioned after his retirement, let us hope the artist places a television set in the background, and uses the same kind of lettering Mr. Harper employs in his attack ads -- the kind that resembles a rumpled ransom note.

    Meanwhile, if Mr. Harper wants to get into the same league as Mr. Ignatieff as a published author, he will need to produce at least enough attack ads to make a nice coffee table book.
  107. Auroran Bear from Montreal, Canada writes: Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes:
    They don't always work.
    If they did, we would be talking about Pres McCain.
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    touche!
  108. Chad Marshall from Hobart, writes: Charles Dickens from Hamilton:

    Firstly: Thank god these conservatives are not the old Conservatives--else they'd be as corrupt and power-hungry as the Liberals consistently are.

    Second: Funny how, for example, in Australia the 'left' wing, Labour government is having a wail of a time handing out $900 cheques to every tax-paying citizen to stimulate the economy. Sounds like a fairly 'right'-wing thing to do. Sounds, too, by comparison, like Harper's conservatives are taking a fairly responsible tack. Moreover, the 'left'-wing government in Australia are sending a mass of troops to Afghanistan...just like the Liberals did in 2003 (all the while decrying that the conservatives MIGHT have sent troops to Iraq)...Plenty of hypocrisies to go around...

    Attack ads suck. No argument there. But don't get too bloody righteous.
  109. mynalee johnstone from ganges,bc, Canada writes: But what did you have to say, Mr. Murphy,when they attacked Stephan Dion? When CTV repated the retake with Stephan when linguists worldwide agree that it was the questioner in the wrong and not Messieur Dion.
    And what did you have to say about their derogatory name calling of 'socialists' and ' separatists' during the Coalition process?Did you defend TC Douglas?
  110. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    If Ignatieff

    Are all Liberals stupid or just you?
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    I didn't know that Iraq was an issue anymore.

    If Harpo had of been the Prime Minister for the Iraq War we would MOST definitely have been there.

    So, what's your point???
  111. Chad Marshall from Hobart, writes: Read the post of the person to which it was a response (Hint: he was talking about policies). Or...continue to revel in your limited attention span.
  112. Liberals not fit to govern and not fit to be a Party from Canada writes: As I mentioned earlier Rex, I don't recall Liberal posters protesting too much when Chretian did a hatchet job on Stockwell Day about his religious beliefs

    Nor do I recall Liberals protesting at all when Martin depicted Harper as scary - a legacy which continues on to this day as evidenced by your article.

    It does not matter if attack ads are released before or during an election. These particular ads are pretty tame and are just serving the purpose of drawing the attention of Cdns that they should be careful about electing someone who may be more opportunist than devoted to their interests.
  113. K Wilson from Nanaimo, Canada writes: The Conservatives act just like the bullies in school. Mean spirited, vicious speach, and heads in the sand, they attempt to push people around, and if you cross them - they'll do their best to beat you up - or down.

    The last thing this country needs is more bullies - we've got the RCMP and the Conservative government.

    Ignatieff looks better and better all the time. And doesn't have to (verbally or physically) beat up someone to do so.
  114. Diogenes the Cynic from Canada writes: I voted for Harper in the last two elections because I felt he was the most competent of the national leaders. However, his behaviour since the election have highlighted his pusillanimity and have reflected badly on the Conservative party. Ignatieff is clearly. to use the title of one of books, the lesser evil. He will get my vote in the next election.

    P.S., I live in a swing Ontario riding that went Conservative last time. If Harper keeps this up I will soon be actively campaigning for the Liberals.
  115. P A from Whitby, Canada writes: I fear slowly but surely Harper and his cohort of knuckledraggers are making attack ads the norm - something we're now more accustomed to in between elections. In fact, it wasn't all that long ago that launching an American style attack ad DURING a Candadian election was considered inappropriate and poor form. A tactic that was contested and debated in the media. Fast forward to 2009 and we all EXPECTED the ads from Harper. I guess he figures he's providing a public service for the neanderthals in our country that are incapable of forming their own opinion. And yes, the Liberals will feel compelled to respond to counteract the negative influence of Harpers ads and so on. What happened to Canadian politics?
  116. Roberta Lethbridge from Canada writes:

    Gottalove Toronto from Canada writes: The attack ads make Mr. Ignatieff look rather good. I have not liked him much, but now that I see the ads, I find him rather appealing. Whereas Mr. Harper is creepy. Strange thing that those attack ads have the opposite effect than what is intended.

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    You best not be giving Harper and his reformers any anti attack ad ideas, they may start attack ads against Harper himself, if they thought it would gain them votes ! Oh wait, that's exactly what they have done with these Ignatieff 'attack' ads.

    Shallow and empty Harper, so lost and bewildered. Perhaps he will set up a Fox news media event to justify why he hates Canada so.
  117. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: You (Another vicious kick right in the face, from Harper to Canada, ) wrote: JustThinking of Canada from Canada writes: ... And, who in hell thinks they have the right to decide who's Canadian enough or not? How arrogant.

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    LOL! Iggy better not go outside of Canada or that scouse Larry Cannon will put him on the no fly list and revoke his passport.



    OOOps -- sorry to Merseysiders etc. I've got a finicky interface here and it deleted the middle of 'scum-louse' in reference to the Hon. Lawrence Cannon (MP-CCRAP).
  118. Fran Irwin from Medicine Hat, Canada writes: Rex at his best - entertaining and perfectly cutting in its insightfulness. My favourite parts were the images of comparing Ignatieff to our current PM who 'toiled' at the Canadian Citizens Coalition - and penned the 'firewall around Alberta' letter. Beyond the obvious miscalculation that Canadians will turn away from Ignatieff because he is too well-educated, too accomplished, too smart - what's with the anti-American messaging from the Harperites? Didn't this PM just spend a smack of my (our) taxpayer $s to hire the 'big guns' of past Presidential media offices to arrange for plum interviews for himself on US Media shows? Didn't this PM (along with my past MP Monte Solberg) appear on Fox News to say how 'ashamed they were to be Canadian' after Chretien insisted there was no 'proof' of weapons of mass destruction and therefore would NOT commit Canadian troops to the 'invaders of the willing' in Iraq under Bush? For a PM who spent so much political time b*tt-sniffing the Bush/Cheney administration and aligned himself to the laissez-faire, deregulated, pro-armament US world view, the anti-American stilt of these attack ads is puzzling.
  119. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: Roberta Lethbridge from Canada writes: ... they may start attack ads against Harper himself, if they thought it would gain them votes !

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    They would mob-swarm their own mothers or Jesus Himself if he became leader of the Liberal party.
  120. CG fr Toronto from Canada writes:
    These attack ads are an insult to all Canadians

    The CRAP party are really a cult in this country disguised under the name

    of 'Conservatives' - think about it: Follow your Leader

    controlled, secretive,devious,unable to speak for themselves

    they get their talking points...

    Harper is toast and he can move to the US and be on his beloved Fox News
  121. Listen up from Interior BC, Canada writes: I would actually consider it a virtue to have a leader like Ignatieff who is 'from away'. Someone who has not been tainted by the backroom infighting, dirty dealings and concessions to some or other political establishment or interest group in order to get to the head of the party. Refreshing when you come to think abouts it.

    Remember the unholy alliance between the Alliance and Progressive Conservatives? Why would we be surprised by the prevailing mentality in Ottawa. Beggar thy neigbour would seem to be the operating philosophy.
  122. Auroran Bear from Montreal, Canada writes: I look forward to when Stephen Harper joins the cast of FOX's Redeye panel.
  123. Roberta Lethbridge from Canada writes: K Wilson from Nanaimo, Canada writes: The Conservatives act just like the bullies in school. Mean spirited, vicious speach, and heads in the sand, they attempt to push people around, and if you cross them - they'll do their best to beat you up - or down.

    The last thing this country needs is more bullies - we've got the RCMP and the Conservative government.

    Ignatieff looks better and better all the time. And doesn't have to (verbally or physically) beat up someone to do so.

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    The truly perplexing issue here K Wilson is that Harper and his regime do act as not only bullies, but blatant liars without ever an apology to Canadians.

    Yet, Harper and his reform bunch proclaim themselves to be evangelical born-again christians. Quiet and not willing to disclose their strong self-righteous and hypocritical moral impositions or intentions until a majority government is struck. Look at what they are doing in cutting funding to science and research in Canada. What next ? Anti abortion, anti gay, pro-deregulation ? One party governance ? (Oh, he tried that one in December 2008 and almost lost power). Could you imagine if Harper ever obtained a majority ?

    If Harper and his gang of reformers represent evangelical christians, then those are christians our world can do without and perhaps should be thrown to the lions by the electorate !
  124. Earl Anthony from Sudbury, Canada writes: I agree that the Tory attack ads are over the top. It would have been far more effective if it was handled with a bit of humor like the 'Where's Marco' theme. You put forward a great Canadian achievement and then contrast it with 'Where was Iggy?'

    But the truth in the matter is that Iggy was absent from this country for some 30 odd years. This raises questions about his patriotism and his knowledge of Canada and its peoples. Indeed, Iggy is apparently sensitive on this issue as he rose to the bait and made some public comments on his absence.

    What I find deplorable is how the media is complicit with the Liberal party in attempting to preempt these ads in the public purview. They did no such thing with the Liberal attack ads focusing on a Tory hidden agenda which we have yet to see or the universal painting of Mr. Harper s a mean and power hungry individual simply because he does not chose to share his inner emotions with the public. Media is far more effective at creating biases than one or two attack ads.
  125. Robin M from Canada writes: If Harper hopes that this ad will get him more votes in Quebec, he is really disconnected from the people...While it might buoy Duceppe, Quebecers have seen beneath the Harper mask and it will judge it for what it is.. a lack of policy by a government bereft of ideas and vision for Canada.

    It seems that all this is doing is losing Harper some of his best allies in the media .. Andrew Coyn is becoming disgruntled, Chantel Herbert is being turned off, L. Ian MacDonald is getting more and more frustrated, and now Rex Murphy... hmmmmmm... One wonders if Harper or his advisors read newspapers, or listen to anyone other their base constituents, which seems to be the case..

    After 3 years in power Stephen Harper has shown he is not a Conservative or aligned with the old Conservative party, so what are his values? Although his true Reform roots appear to be showing themselves more and more..

    It is time for a change, the sooner the better.. we are losing precious time, with other countries failing to take us seriously under this crowd..
  126. Clark Kentt from Metronto, Canada writes: Ahhhhhh ... it must warm the cockles of yer Liberal heart to jump to the rescue of your beloved Liberals and their newly-coronated faux-Canadian counterfeit leader .. Michael Ignatieff .. the patriotic prodigal son returning to the land of his birth to become our next prime minister and saviour from ourselves.

    Why even the Liberal-biased Canadian Press has prepared a free-of-charge rebuttal video posted on G&M 'Video' showing the unfair Conservative attack ads interspersed with Iggy commenting in his usual erudite and haughty manner ... dismissing the frivolous Conservative accusations of his 34 year odyssey away from his beloved Canada .. of which he wants to be prime minister with absolute power.

    Here's the G&M link to the helpful and free-of-charge Canadian Press - Liberal video:
    theglobeandmail.com
  127. marilyn ludlow from Canada writes: Gee Rex,
    How come you didn't mind the attack ads against Dion?
    Dion was a real Canadian that wrote a real book. Check it out : STraight Talk:ON Canadian Unity
    Dion, someone who has lived in Canada, fought for Canadian Unity, former Cabinet Minister....one who truly cares.... one who had great progressive policies and a great vision for Canada that would have thrust us into world leadership but YOU didn't give him a chance and made sure that Canadians didn't find out either. You in the media that knew better than Dion's international reputation and his intellect.
    You and the Liberal backroom boys wanted a Bush Lite..so now we are going to have a choice between 2 Bush Lites in the next election...all thanks to the Media ..people like Rex Murphy.
  128. S. Ives from Ottawa, Canada writes: This has been a good week for Rex. If you think he's angry/disappointed here, then check out what he has to say about 'Seven Jewish Children: A Play For Gaza' in today's edition.

    theglobeandmail.com

    The Conservative ad campaign got off lightly.
  129. spicydoc, son of Uther Pendragon, with my trusty servant Patsy from mercia, Canada writes:
    These 'not Canadian enough' ads remind me of the attitude of hockey fans back when Europeans first started joining the NHL.

    Huge anti-European sentiment. If you are over 40, you remember it well.

    Anyway, nowadays an NHL team grabs the best player available, regardless of their 'Canadianism'.

    Same thing here.

    Canadians will choose the best PM and not be bothered by the out-of-country thing.

    Iggy might be portrayed as an 'alien', but will win support from people who want the best player.

    Naturally, it doesn't help Harper that he (Harper) is more like Dave Semenko than (say) Sid the Kid....
  130. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: 'Canadians keep electing Liberal governments, because the values of Canadians are Liberal values, and Liberal values are Canadian values.'

    - leaked LPC talking point (2006 Federal election)

    In other words, if you're not a Liberal you're not Canadian.
  131. Derek Watt from Mississauga, Canada writes: I agree with Rex. Harper and his attack dogs remind me suspiciously of the Mike Harris regime in Ontario. The Conservatives will never receive a majority in Canada unless they start acting more responsibly and with civility. Let's give the Liberals a chance, another 'kick at the can' as it were. The NDP are in disarray and need to reinvent themselves to gain support to replace the Liberals as the alternative to Herr Harper.
  132. Lea Smith from manitoba, Canada writes: The attack ads don't bother me - it's what I expect from the Conservative party under Stephen Harper. What really bothers me is how many people read them as fact! What Michael Ignatieff really is is a man with a very strong family history in Canada, a man with a very fine education who has travelled the world, a man who has lived through a variety of experiences and written about them with an open and honest heart, a man who headed a faculty devoted to peace in one of the most respected institutions in the world, a man who quite obviously would like the opportunity to lead this most fantastic country into the future. Don't read the ads - read Michael Ignatieff - his books are available to everyone at public libraries across the country (well, those stubborn westerners might not have them yet, but as a Calgarian-born citizen of this fine country I can have hope!) - you will learn much about the man through his books. Don't let Stephen Harper tell you who he is - find out for yourselves!
  133. The Immigrant from Canada writes: We ought to thank our PM for showing us that parlimant can work for minority governments.

    If anyone here or elsewhere would like to see him go, then learn how to vote next time an elecetion comes around.

    Stand up for democracy.
  134. Chad Marshall from Hobart, writes: Don't knock the 'Reform roots'. They, at least, had substance...and far less grease.
  135. bill d from sarnia, Canada writes: It is not surprising that Harper's Conservatives have modeled the worst of U.S. Republican smear tactics as a way of advancing their party. This new Conservative Party is nothing more than yet another renamed party of regional western interests that is still overly theocratic.
  136. cold air from Ontario, Canada writes: Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes:
    If negative ads are intended to discourage voting, then they are a calculated attack on democracy itself.

    Yes ... but not just ads. The discourse on these boards does the same thing everyday.
    Which you just illustrated.
  137. Ed Long from Canada writes: The ads are a humorous diversion from a minority government that is ruling as a majority government because the opposition is weak, the point of the ads, and Canadians are complacent about exercising their right to vote.

    Complacency and weakness allow this type of pot stirring.
  138. rablais rabble from Canada writes: TO Harry Smothers from Valga, Estonia.

    We shall see.

    Relax Liberals. Iggy is a genius. He's trying hard not to show too much.

    When there are elections and then debates, IGGY will make Harper look like a sorry ignoramus. He will be that much smarter.
    the Tories of terrified of this. Watch them try to ask the GG to ban political debates!

    Those of you old enough to remember the Trudeau Clark debates know what I mean. If the Trudeau debate is on YouTube, watch it and grin.

    Ah HA HA HA.
  139. Karl of Canuckistan from Canada writes: rablais rabble..utter naive Hogwash!

    Count Igg-ula: the guy who has the look and feel of a guy trying desperately to figure out how he'd look and feel if he was the guy he is trying to be.....and he is not.
    He is FAKE.
    An American phony head crudely grafted onto the body of a corrupt and discredited 'Frankenstein' political 'party' in the hope of instant resurrection.
    Perfect for a party who stands for nothing other than enriching it's own coffers and those of it's legions of bloddsuckers and hangers-on with Canadian taxpayers dollars a-la Sponsorship/Adscam scandal, the Shawinigate scandal, the HRDC boondoggle, the failed Gun Registry, the Canada Lands scandal etc etc.
    The 'Seinfeld convention' (it was about NOTHING) just underlined the overwhelming cynicism of a party that has clearly learned..NOTHING!
    Canadian taxpayers have not forgotten !
    Harper will devour Iggy.
  140. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Perhaps one of the most telling aspects of this ad campaign is that it highlights a continuing Conservative attack on intelligent people. Coming as it does so soon after the news of funding cuts to Canadian research and development, this latest brouhaha leaves the impression the government is engaged in a campaign to encourage anyone capable of engaging in higher thought processes to leave the country. Only in Canada, you say? Pity.
  141. Joseph Browne from Canada writes:
    All these ads do is put a microscope on the truth of the Liberal leader. This is not an attack except for the sheep who don t like the truth being said. Best way for ignat to answer is tell us about what he will do besides raise taxes.He says nothing.Silence is deafening.
  142. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: cold air from Ontario, Canada writes: Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes:
    If negative ads are intended to discourage voting, then they are a calculated attack on democracy itself.

    Yes ... but not just ads. The discourse on these boards does the same thing everyday.
    Which you just illustrated.
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    Nonsense.
    My guess is that the vast majority of those posting on this board will vote in the next election.
  143. okanagan pakman from Canada writes: This is the result of a policy record that cannot be defended as rational or competant.

    DEFEND HARPER'S RECORD. STOP THE SLANDER
  144. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
    Jason Roy from Central Nova

    - leaked LPC talking point (2006 Federal election)

    In other words, if you're not a Liberal you're not Canadian.

    Posted 16/05/09 at 11:06 AM EDT

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    More deception and distraction....links please like I provided for the CPC talking-points which are just out of control....I am tired of my tax dollars paying for Harpers attack ads....no proof we dismiss your post as BS.
  145. A Chinaman from Canada writes: I did not know Iggy has said those words before until I read the Conservative's ad. The ad may be a bad taste, but I find it quite informative. If it is true, Iggy needs to explain to us. I don't need beautiful and intellectual words to explain to me.
  146. stew fair from Toronto, Canada writes: The good news is that Iggy's a tourist. The second he realizes he has a battle on his hands, he'll be polishing up his CV and traipsing off to a new opportunity to sip champagne and think deep thoughts.

    Remember, Pulp said it best in the song Common People - 'everybody hates a tourist'
  147. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: Moira R. from Hampstead, Canada writes: Ignatieff is an empty suit. He only has flashy words and smart Canadians will see through it.
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    Ah, you forget that Obama was also just an empty suit.
    He too only had flashy words.

    You remember 'Change you can believe in.'

    Iggy will do just fine.
  148. R. L. from Toronto, Canada writes: I was at the Montreal convention in December of 2006 and was a Bob Rae backer. The backroom boys won't like this one little bit.They can't fight back and hoped to stay silent and get in through the back door. Every time Michael opens his mouth they cringe as the true character comes out. I don't like Harper and Michael is a right wing conservative hiding in the liberal banner.Never seen a guy flip flop like Michael.
  149. Curly Maple from havenotsviille, Canada writes: Karl of Canuckistan from Canada writes:

    Count Igg-ula: the guy who has the look and feel of a guy trying desperately to figure out how he'd look and feel if he was the guy he is trying to be.....and he is not.
    He is FAKE.
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    Yeah--as fake as a blue sweater...........lol!
  150. R. L. from Toronto, Canada writes: I was at the Montreal convention in December of 2006 and was a Bob Rae backer. The backroom boys won't like this one little bit.They can't fight back and hoped to stay silent and get in through the back door. Every time Michael opens his mouth they cringe as the true character comes out. I don't like Harper and Michael is a right wing conservative hiding in the liberal banner.Never seen a guy flip flop like Michael.
  151. Sandra Gordon from Markham, Canada writes: I voted liberal last time but I can't next time. I am a busy working mother and I have no time for petty politics. Next time I will vote for Layton because he suits me. I just can't vote for a guy who parachutes back to Canada and thinks he is the divine one. He was thirty five years out of Canada and I didn't know that. I figured he was somebody new.Now I know he is an opportunist.
  152. D. Hall from Canada writes: In response to be called mean spirited by a columnist, Conservative posters respond with:

    'Count Igg-ula'
    'bloddsuckers and hangers-on'
    'empty suit'
    'inner city dwellers and arts degree unemployed' ( this was used as an insult - go figure)
    'sheep who don t like the truth'
    'counterfeit leader'
    'Are all Liberals stupid or just you'

    They sure know how to refute a point!
  153. Jesu Pifco from Canada writes: 'Talking Points'....

    What a wussy, linguistically challenged term. 'Catechism' is more like it; whose ever it may be.
  154. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: You know withe exception of maybe Paul Wells Harper and the Conservative Party are getting pretty well ridiculed in all the media comments / editorial's

    http://tinyurl.com/CPC-Criticized
  155. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
    Jason Roy from Central Nova

    - leaked LPC talking point (2006 Federal election)

    In other words, if you're not a Liberal you're not Canadian.

    Posted 16/05/09 at 11:06 AM EDT

    ====

    More deception and distraction....links please like I provided for the CPC talking-points which are just out of control....I am tired of my tax dollars paying for Harpers attack ads....no proof we dismiss your post as BS.
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    I was just going to make the same post as True Conservative Jason, at least the 'Link Please' part.
  156. J M from Canada writes: I'd really like to know from the Ignatieff supporters exactly what Iggy would be doing differently from Harper is he becomes PM? Let's see...They're identical on foreign policy. Both supporter the Iraq war. Both are solidly pro-Israel, and rightly so. Both praised the United States regularly under the Bush presidency. Both would make patronage appointments to the Senate. Except Harper is from Alberta and lived in Canada his whole life, and Iggy is from the UK, although he may have grown up in Toronto back when President Nixon was in office in Washington. If Iggy was PM now, he'd be running massive deficits as well, and the economy would be no better. I'm not a fan of Harper's attack ads, but Iggy has shown little dedication to this country. He did not have to live in the UK for two decades, and certainly did not have to live abroad for well over a quarter century. If I left Canada now and returned in 2043, would I be qualified to be PM? I certainly think not.

    I'm proud of Harper's foreign policy, standing up for Israel, boycotting the Libyan-chaired UN conference on Racism, opposing Islamic terrorists and calling Hamas Terrorists what they truly are.

    Under the Liberals in the 1990's, Canada's military became smaller than than the Dutch military, which is quite sad for Canada. I'm happy Harper is leading on the world stage.

    President Obama at the Summit of the Americas said about Harper 'I take advice from Canada on a lot of things.' I think that's something to be proud of. It's a big endorsement of Harper. Keep the Liberals in opposition and their tax hikes reduced to a policy proposal. I have no more money to give to Liberal governments.
  157. cold air from Ontario, Canada writes: Ben Franklin, that would be my guess too, the comment was about the intent of the comments, which rarely encourage people to vote for something, but generally against somebody.
    The was a mention above of John McCain. I actually thought the American election was far more civil than ours last year. Thus the participation rate in their election went up, and ours went down. But McCain did lose, and it may be because the Republicans failed to disenfranchise enough people.
    I'd bet the conservatives get between 5 and 5.25 million votes next election, which is about what the liberal received in their 2000 election majority.
    I'd think it's easier to discourage the liberal vote from being above that level than it is to encourage the conservative vote to exceed that level.
  158. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: J M from Canada writes:
    President Obama at the Summit of the Americas said about Harper 'I take advice from Canada on a lot of things.' I think that's something to be proud of. It's a big endorsement of Harper. Keep the Liberals in opposition and their tax hikes reduced to a policy proposal. I have no more money to give to Liberal governments.
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    Pres O did not mention Harpo.

    He said: 'I take advice from Canada on a lot of things.'

    I'm sure Pres O will be happy to hear from Iggy, when he's PM.
  159. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: It's not easy being Rex.

    His column last week was an attack ad on the 'glassy-eyed idealism' of the 'eco-people' who would dare to try to use alternative energy other than oil.

    Perhaps the Conservatives should use Biblical imagery and turn the whole thing into a Parable, like Rex did.

    That might work well for their base.
  160. J M from Canada writes: Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: J M from Canada writes:
    President Obama at the Summit of the Americas said about Harper 'I take advice from Canada on a lot of things.' I think that's something to be proud of. It's a big endorsement of Harper. Keep the Liberals in opposition and their tax hikes reduced to a policy proposal. I have no more money to give to Liberal governments.
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    Pres O did not mention Harpo.

    He said: 'I take advice from Canada on a lot of things.'

    I'm sure Pres O will be happy to hear from Iggy, when he's PM.

    ___________

    Obama was walking beside Harper. It's on video.

    I'm sure Iggy would make a great British PM, but he's sure no patriotic Canadian. He was MIA during the 95 referendum, except for a few interviews with BBC.

    If you guys want someone as PM who hasn't lived in Canada since the days of Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, go ahead. Nothing will change.

    I reiterate: President Obama, walking beside Harper says 'I take advice from Canada on a lot of things'.

    Harper = Best Canadian PM in decades.
  161. Dr. Bundolo from Calgary, Canada writes: Great column Rex, the queens of mean will facilitate their own demise. Gosh they must be hard to live with.
  162. Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: If MSM did their job there would be no need for attack ads, the fact is the MSM fawns all over Iggy this paper is indicative of how biased the print medium has become. None of the major papers mentions Iggy's blunders, he flip flops around like a jigged cod on board a boat. I do find it amusing that the leftards assert the attack ads hurt the Conservatives if this were so why not shut up and let us shoot ourselves in the foot???? Funny no mention of the Liberals Attack ads, no mention that Iggy's war room has the biggest drive bye smear artist in CANADA pluggying away why is that??

    Another liberal motto, 'The truth is no defense' if you offend someone via Section 13 of the CHRC you get persecuted a Liberal construct that they plan to expand but us cons are fascists. How come the media isn't reporting on the Lib's plan to expand the SSCHRC mandate?? How come MSM isn't reporting that the Libs passed a resolution to enact a carbon tax? No we don't need attack ads, but the Conservatives do have a duty to inform the public on liberal policies because MSM reporters are to busy writing negative articles on Harper.
  163. Joseph Freeman from Vancouver, Canada writes: So you're hanging your whole argument on Harper on a 2-minute photo-op stroll during a 4-hour visit (part of which Obama spent with Ignatieff)? Right, just when you expect the full measure of the relationship to come out.

    Thank goodness Obama decided not to pack that 'I'm with Stupid' t-shirt. Harper dodged that one . . . grin.

    Besides, this isn't about Obama and his opinion of Canada.

    It's about how small and low and petty Harper and his conservative slime-masters are. They have a record that is indefensible and unremarkable so they hurl crap at everyone else.

    That's not leadership.
  164. Richard Hawrelak from Sarnia, Canada writes: While Canada burns, Harper et al play negative politics. How stupid can these idiots get?
  165. Auroran Bear from Montreal, Canada writes: Sandra Gordon from Markham, Canada writes: I voted liberal last time but I can't next time. I am a busy working mother and I have no time for petty politics. Next time I will vote for Layton because he suits me. I just can't vote for a guy who parachutes back to Canada and thinks he is the divine one. He was thirty five years out of Canada and I didn't know that. I figured he was somebody new.Now I know he is an opportunist.
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    A planted hack if there ever was one.

    'He was thirty five years out of Canada and I didn't know that'---good following party talking points

    'Busy working mother' - apparently not too busy to come to the opinion section and comment.
  166. Joe Citizen from Everytown, Canada writes: HARPER = THE ALLIANCE PARTY = MEANNESS OF SPIRIT = NATIONAL DIVISION = INABILITY TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMY = COMPLETE FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP
  167. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Earl Anthony:-- We have come to expect negative ads during a campaign, but we are not in a campaign. Mr. Harper 'enjoys' a minority government. It's the only mandate the Canadian people have been willing to give him. But, he doesn't like the job description that comes with that limited mandate - that he must seek consensus and cooperation - so he electioneers for the mandate (as a previous poster noted) that he feels entitled to. A dictatorship.
  168. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
    Jason Roy from Central Nova

    - leaked LPC talking point (2006 Federal election)

    In other words, if you're not a Liberal you're not Canadian.

    Posted 16/05/09 at 11:06 AM EDT

    ====

    More deception and distraction....links please like I provided for the CPC talking-points which are just out of control....I am tired of my tax dollars paying for Harpers attack ads....no proof we dismiss your post as BS.

    --------------------------------------------

    Gladly...afterall, you called me a 'reform liar' a couple of weeks ago when I said Mulroney had a better fiscal record than Trudeau when it came down to actual government expendatures/revenues...and I produced the federal fiscal tables to make you look like an utter and complete fool.

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/001700.html

    Yes, it's just a political blog site, but the talking points are there...most likely leaked by Chretienites as there was quite a bit of speculation of this going on during the 2006 election campaign to make Paul Martin look bad...

    ...and as well only a total blind Liberal lemming would deny Martin spent the campaign shrieking about 'values'.
  169. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: Hmmmm...attack ads. Has an election been called?

    Waiting for the Biblical imagery.
  170. I, Alafrate from Canada writes: Pursuant to North Star's comment about 'this ad was paid for...'

    That only applies during a write period (the time between the call of an election and the vote). Those ads are paid for by the CPC, and have to be flagged as such.

    This ad is outside of the writ period, and is not subject to those same laws. In fact, if your read the small type, it says it's paid for by some third-party arms-length group for the CPC, not the CPC itself.
    (The funds come from their donation-raising.)

    Just clarifying, not justiying.
  171. Dave Mathieson from Amherst, NS, Canada writes: I could never vote for Mr. Ignatieff. I don't care how long he's been outside of Canada.
    The fact is that he supported the war in Iraq and he supported the use of torture on captured terrorists.
    He was one of the neo-cons top men. He was one of Bush's biggest supporters.
    When Bush did his post presidency dinner speech in Calgary one of the protesters held up a sign that said,' Bush - Ignatieff - Blood Brothers. You can't say it more clearly than that.
    Bush and Ignatieff are one and the same.
    It seems the same people who hated George W., love Ignatieff. Why?
  172. Al Bore from Canada writes:
    The biggest attack will be by Ignatieff himself.
    When he opens his mouth and starts talking down to Canadians, then they'll understand what a pompous opportunist he really is.

    Can't wait for the next election.

    Iggy's a Canadian of Convenience.

    How many times did he visit Canada during his 34 year absence?
  173. Doris Wrench Eisler from St. Albert, Canada writes: No one is suggesting, Harry Smothers, and I don't believe Rex Murphy ever did, that politics is church and politicians should act like choir boys but there are or should be standards. Wit, cutting wit, yes; stupidity as in McKay's referring to Belinda Stronach as his dog, well that's neither funny nor parliamentary. Pooping Puffins - is that wit? Why stop at Puffins? If winning justifies any tactic at all why not whisper campaigns, false accusations such as were used against Kerry concerning his Vietnam war record, etc,? Pretty soon, and I think the time has come, (less than 60% of electorate voting) the electorate will believe nothing and elections will revolve around personal ties and loyalties, not issues. That's dynasty, not democracy.
  174. The Work Farce from Canada writes: Conservatives is mean and Liberals is....uh...liberal. You 'aint got to be a Shakespearean scholar to know dat. But is Mr. Iggy and his Liberals really Liberals, that is to say, liberal? One thing fo' sho'. Stay tuned to dis website and Mr. Murphy is gunna' tell ya'. In no unsoyten toyms.
  175. paul gill from Canada writes: In so many ways the CPC has appeared to adopt the tactics of the Republican Party in the U.S., including the generous use of attack-ads. In comparison, the Liberals would do well to take the lead of the Democrats in their responses to this low-brow behaviour. Attack ads can work (observe what happened to John Kerry in 2004); yet in 2008 the U.S. voters responded far more favourably to a platform built upon optimism, policy and principle. Obama refused to be baited by the Republicans; he refused to crawl into the gutter with them, and was rewarded in the polls for having taken the higher road. As present polls appear to indicate, the centrist-voters are tired of attack politics, and the GOP (as well as the CPC) seem to have trouble adjusting to that reality. That is not to say that an effective response to such ads is not warranted. Democrats did in fact effectively respond to (predictable GOP) attacks on their candidate's image and character; but for that they turned to Rahm Emanuel. Loyal, focused, pugnacious, and partisan, Emanuel was tasked with planning and conducting the surgical strikes that so handicapped the hapless GOP at most every turn during the campaign (think of the old Liberal 'rat pack'). The Liberals would do well to recruit their own 'Rahm Emanuel', or another 'rat pack'.
  176. BMM MACK from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Rex writes' This is getting very tired. As was done to Stéphane Dion so must it be done to Mr. Ignatieff. The Harperites are back at what they do best, or - let me try to be more precise - back at what it seems they really like most to be doing. Attacking the other guys' leader. '

    Hmmm well Rex it seems to me that the Tories have to do this because unlike the Liberals they do not have a left wing biased media to do it for them. I am sure that Warren Kinsella was pleased when he approved this article for you.

    I guess you would also have us believe that your much covetted Liberals have never attacked another Leader, what a bunch of hypocrites you and your Liberal ilk are!! What is getting tired Rex is you and your Press Gallery friends who have abandoned even the pretense that they have any modicum of journalistic integrity. Instead of being impartial, unbiased observers and reporters of fact you pack of Kinsella attack dogs are part of the political process, making a deliberate effort to effect the polical landscape of the country. Something like Tass under the Soviets I guess? Must be a leftist thing.
  177. G Pot from Canada writes: Well said.

    In addition, the ads remind Cons party supporters what happens to the money they donate to the party.
  178. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: 'Thou shalt treat thy neighbour as thyself.'
  179. greg stockton from toronto, Canada writes: It appears the Conservatives are right. Given that the politically correct crowd and right-because-we-have-consensus crowd have joined in a ritualistic orgy to denounce Harper, I am more confident in the ethics behind the Conservative's ad. Personally, I can do without the ad, but it is preferable to being party of a frenzied chant of 'holier than thou'.

    What next, 'soldiers in the street' scaremongering from the Conservatives.
  180. Ed Long from Canada writes: If all you've got is 'quit picking on me' and 'play nice', then you got nothing.

    A truly great leader could slap the Cons back to infancy.

    Ergo ... there is no great leader nor true opposition.

    And we get back to Canadian complacency and whining.
  181. Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: As someone who has never voted for Harper, and never will, I say keep those attack ads coming, Stevie. Anyone who tries to raise his own standing by demeaning another's is doomed to failure. Attacking a party's policies is fair game. Attacks on an opponent's character are despicable and say more about the antagonist than the target
  182. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: Bullies always lose, in the Endgame.
  183. Michael H from Canada writes: Ed Long - one should never mistake dictatorship for leadership.
  184. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Ed Long:-- Au contraire, Ed, many of us are thoroughly enjoying the spectacle of Mr. Harper's telling the electorate that all HE has to offer is, 'Is there anyone handy to pick on? I do so need a distraction from the challenges of the job (which I'm not sure I'm really up to).' Speaking of complacency and whining, Ed. The government IS the ersatz opposition, and the real opposition is doing its job.
  185. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: Good piece Rex.

    I wonder if the Tory strategists ever figured how badly these ads will miscarry in Quebec and (maybe) in Ontario? Love 'em or hate 'em, but Quebecers LOVE attainment. You've got a PhD and you've got the French Canadian vote. They also like style and flair. Dress well and live well, and you're their type of guy. Visit Montreal, or Quebec City. Our compatriots from Quebec have got more than their fair share of chic. They don't call it 'la belle province' for nothing. You know what else? They've also generally rewarded arrogance (think 'Trudeau'), if its an able leader who's being arrogant -- something masterful about a an smarter than yourself telling you to shut up and get on with it, that says 'leadership'.

    So, Harper was on the point of a breakthrough in Central Canada last election and he chooses to remind us that Ignatieff is wicked smart, GQ fodder, and doesn't seem to see why he should have to explain things as if he were talking to 4 year olds. That's going to work so very well!

    I expect they'll get a lock down on Lloydminister, however . . . but (oh no!) they already have that.
  186. Ed Long from Canada writes: Michael H and Diane Marie:

    For anybody to take this drivel seriously and feel compelled to condemn it is, in itself, a profound statement as to the dearth of leadership across the political spectrum that is a result of the complacency and self-absorption of the Canadian voter or, more correctly, non-voter.

    48% turnout in B.C. last week.

    Low participation rate in democracy, judgementalism replacing substantive policy, dumbing down of the issues and media, and tuning out of the electorate .... you are correct Michael H. That is fertile ground for a dictatorship.

    And has been shown in the Federal election, 58%, and B.C. election, status quo of any stripe wins when the alternative lacks strength.
  187. I like pie Yum from Toronto, Canada writes: You people need to get over the 'mr. nice guy' leader image. No good leader will ever be 'nice', and it certainly not their job to make you feel better about yourself - or the opposition for that matter.

    Suck it up, and vote for who is most qualified (Harper obviously).
  188. been there from Toronto, Canada writes: Rex:

    I certainly hope you are right that most 'ordinary' Canadians still have the decency to reject this sort of crass political indecency.

    Alas, I am more pessimistic because attack tactics have worked and will continue to work until the public re-learns proper civics and not beholden by misplaced fears, insecurities and pessimism about the future.

    Politically and economically, we have moved far towards the cynical and vicious society portrayed by the cartoon 'The Simpsons'. Twenty years ago, that sort of 'cowabunga' seemed shocking to see on TV. Twenty years later, we accept it in our every day discourse and attitudes -- or in the very least, we don't speak up about it and reject it vehemently.

    Until the populace tires of the dark mood and the dark forces, the 'we are victims and therefore we deserve to lash out' card is very much in the works.

    Perhaps a better glimmer of hope comes from, of all places, the US. They have gotten so far down the polarized partisan attack and pessimism rat hole for the past few decades that we finally saw the populace revolt against it in the Presidential election.

    Sure, one election is not going to reverse everything, and the bitter attacks still continue (ever watch Fox News?), but the tone of the dialogue has certainly changed and those angry-bitter rhetoric and people are being rejected and dismissed as a fringe.

    This is the strong statement that we need to make in Canada -- enough destructive and petty nonsense, misplaced anger must not rule.
  189. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Ed Long writes: A truly great leader could slap the Cons back to infancy.

    And, we have to assume, a truly great leader would slap the Liberals back to infancy. While it is true neither leader is really showing himself capable of the knock-out punch, surely we should aspire to a more civilized measure of leadership. A desire to work for the betterment of all Canadians instead of greater party glory, for instance or the ability to engage in diplomacy instead of the 'My dad can beat your dad,' sort of nonsense that stands as parliamentary debate these days.

    A man's reach should exceed his grasp or what's a heaven for, does not refer to prowess in the boxing ring. Sadly, too many of our honourable men and women in Ottawa do not seem to understand that.
  190. Bill Harrison from Canada writes: While I don't approve of the ads, it seems the media was saying the same thing about the ads the Conservatives ran when Dion was first named Liberal leader. One thing for sure, the elitist Ottawa media, and CBC commentators are consistent; attack the Conservatives when they attack. I can't recall the media getting into such high dudgeon when the Chretein/Martin Liberals ran their negative ads about Harper in several elections. The Liberals were just as negative and nasty as anything the Conservataives have done. In the minds of the Liberal imbedded media, it all depends on whose ox is being gored!
  191. Super Grover from Ajax, Canada writes: The current Conservatives are a party of division; they get seats by dividing and conquering; because of this, they will never get the numbers required for a comfortable majority, and keep those numbers. They are already practicing a 'scorched earth' policy in Quebec; I hate to think what the old Reformers will do when they realize that the best they can hope for under their current policies are polling numbers in the 30s.
  192. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Winston Churchill:-- That's the odd thing about this gambit. Hard-core conservatives are always whining about nanny-state somnolism, but an example of ambition, curiosity, and productivity drives them to distraction.
  193. William Robertson from Hamilton, Canada writes: It's always telling when someone has nothing to say, or nothing left to say about the substance of someone or their policy, and they descend to personal attacks - it just demonstrates that they are devoid of any substantive comment. You nailed it Rex, the Conservatives wouldn't know what strategic and sound policy looked like if it bit them in the butt. Their last budget adequately demonstrated that point. The sad point is - Iggy is what Iggy is, we can all decide whether we want him as the alternative to Harper without the blathering of paid Conservative commercial renderings - but wouldn't it be inspiring if we had a leader we wanted because we wanted them, not just an alternative to the other guy?
  194. MW 123 from Canada writes: Harper is now helping the separatists get seats back to save his own skin, some patriot. Total hypocrite. He is not fit to govern.
  195. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Sassy Lassie from Canada writes:

    Another liberal motto, 'The truth is no defense' if you offend someone via Section 13 of the CHRC you get persecuted a Liberal construct that they plan to expand but us cons are fascists. How come the media isn't reporting on the Lib's plan to expand the SSCHRC mandate?? How come MSM isn't reporting that the Libs passed a resolution to enact a carbon tax? No we don't need attack ads, but the Conservatives do have a duty to inform the public on liberal policies because MSM reporters are to busy writing negative articles on Harper,

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    The media reported on that Carbon Tax Resolution Sassy. Nice try though with the talking points once again.

    Maybe because the resolution on Carbon tax was voted on by less than a third of the 2100 delegates at the convention. Iggy immediately put the Kibosh on that stating it will not become part of a liberal platform. He has veto on any of the resolutions that were voted on at that convention as do all the leaders of the other parties at their respective conventions.
  196. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Ed Long:-- Apparently, you are happy with a government that doesn't want to govern, preferring instead to blame the electorate for not being engaged.

    Bill Harrison:-- What part of electioneering when there's no campaign on do you not get??? Oh, you do get it - you mentioned Liberal attack ads during an election. Bill, I feel that I must inform you that we are not in an election.
  197. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: I am looking forward to the next round of polls that come out. Interesting to see if this will be what, about the 8th poll in a row, that will have the Conservatives behind the Liberals. We shall just have to wait and see eh? :~)
  198. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: To paraphrase a comment by Rex in his column of last week:

    'Steve Harper! Steve Harper! Why hast thou forsaken us?'
  199. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: To paraphrase again: Canada 'is in a powerless pickle.'
  200. rablais rabble from Canada writes: Karl of canuckistan, you are just trying too hard.
    Iggy was a BBC host, a Harvard pprof. He thinks on his feet.

    It won't be good enough to lie. Harper will get trapped in his prevarication.

    We haven't seen Iggy yet. Words are his trade.

    That is what is so interesting. He is leading in the polls or tied and we haven't seen his best party tricks yet.
  201. c n from Smithers, Canada writes: As an anglophone Quebecker ( to say Quebecois if you are not pur laine is forbidden) I can say Harper is making a huge mistake in Quebec. He also has not shown great leadership throughout this financial crisis and evidence keeps showing that he is more interested in his personal position than for the good of this country. Stevie if you want people's votes then do something positive for this country and cut the horse manure. So far you have been pretty much of a joke. Fortunately I did not follow your advice and buy more stocks in October when the bottom was falling out of everything. For a person to be flippant while people are losing their life's savings shows all I need to know about that man.
  202. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Michael Ignatieff on the cover of the British GQ,
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    The best phat bouy can do is cover of slime magazine.
  203. liberal 4ever from Halifax, Canada writes: Let's all face it. The recent attack ads and attack ads in general are mean-spirited at heart and when done politically, almost always are a smoke screen or diversion away from something the attacker knows may harm or shorten their political longevity.
    We also know that Harper's record as a leader is really poor.
    Ignatief retaliation is to get more international air time than Harper... til the monster finally jumps out of that ridiculous costume he wears.
  204. A. Northbridge from Canada writes: I agrree with: 'BMM MACK from Winnipeg'
    'Hmmm well Rex it seems to me that the Tories have to do this because unlike the Liberals they do not have a left wing biased media to do it for them. I am sure that Warren Kinsella was pleased when he approved this article for you.'
    Is it a conspiracy? Some would say, 'That's crazy'.
    Yet if you look over the last ten years I would say it's there in a dominant, underlying tone of various news media outlets.
    Most importantly is the fact that the Liberals came out with an attack add on You Tube before the Conservatives came out with their's.
    So where was the news media on that one.
    Go figure.
  205. Turtle's Back from Canada writes: If the shoe was on the other foot, does one not think that Iggy would have done the samething!!!

    Or is Mr Iggy to wishy washy or undeceive.

    I think the 'Lie'brals will come out with their own attack add but maybe it is question of money!!
  206. Arny Archerd from Canada writes: Liberals are scared out of their pants. The truth is coming out.No substance to the Harvard boy. Useless words with no plans and no ideas. He can't even fight back because he can't fight the truth of carpetbagging. Read the liberal comments. All a bunch of whiners and attack dogs they accuse Harper of doing.Read you own liberal attack dog posts.
  207. Morris Rewitt from London, United Kingdom writes: c n from Smithers : spot on ! As another Quebecker I stand witness that your analysis of our pure laine Quebecois countrymen is exactly right.
  208. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: Thesaurus Rex would no doubt have a much more interesting dialogue with Iggy than with Harposaurus.
  209. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: On the other hand, Rex is 'driven often to the Bible..............'
  210. Turtle's Back from Canada writes: Rablais rabble: What do you mean Iggy doesn't lie OHHH!!! right he changes his mind!!!

    The 'Lie'brals have a new leader. He should be sitting at 60% not just 32% instead he is languishing.

    GO HARPER GO
  211. Bill Harrison from Canada writes: Diane Marie: For once you and I are not in disagreement. If you noted in my previous comment, I said I do not approve of these ads and I have taken the trouble to tell the Conservative party I think they are a mistake. However, I do strongly feel the media revels in attacking Conservative ads whether they are pre-election or in an election, while they spend little parsing the Liberal ads. Just proves where they allegiance lies!
  212. Turtle's Back from Canada writes: Randy Highland: Iggy has just put the carbon tax on the back burner for now, as well as the national child care program. He can bring it forth at a later date.
  213. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: God Forbid we vote for someone smart; shame on us for voting for someone who has a geopolitical point of reference; on the cover of GQ???? Sweet Mother of Pear!

    Quoting my son after reading the article outloud 'wish I had count status'.......sigh
  214. t w from Canada writes: Spoken like a true loyal lefty.
  215. Arny Archerd from Canada writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Michael Ignatieff on the cover of the British GQ,
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    The best phat bouy can do is cover of slime magazine.
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    The perfect example of a liberal whining attack dog with rabies. Coalition centrist. HAHAHAHAH. Coalition is dead and hard to know that when you live in a dark padded cell in the psycho ward.
  216. okanagan pakman from Canada writes: Harper needs to defend his record. stop the slander....for Pete's sake...bloody-well GROW-UP!
  217. James Snow from From the City of Blinding Lights, Canada writes: ' ... the Harper Conservatives are a brittle, humourless and by-default-mean congregation ...'

    Well said, Rex. This is perhaps the first time I've read anything of yours that hits the nail right on the head. You can rest assured a lot of Canadians outside the United States of Alberta back you up on this. As for Albertans, well, they built a wall around themselves a long time ago, and it's up to them to tear it down.
  218. Ed Long from Canada writes: When people don't vote, governments interpret satisfaction with the status quo, detachment or no interest in the process.

    Therefore government, and the media, dicks around with this silliness. There is no direction indicated from the electorate.

    And can we please stop with the myth that great leaders are 'nice'.

    The whole process of being a leader means defeating other people and that is usually not done with rock, paper, scissors.

    As I said in my first comment, the fact the Cons can run roughshod with these ads only highlights a panty waist opposition.
  219. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: Biblical imagery!
  220. James Snow from From the City of Blinding Lights, Canada writes: Harper needs to take a hike, and preferably a long one.

    Perhaps he should take the Day clown along with him, eh; you know, just in case they politically want to get into bed with each other. ;-)
  221. Another vicious kick right in the face from Harper to Canada, writes: Stephen Harper is a corrupt and evil man. He is a lawbreaker and it unfit for any public office. He must be ejected.
  222. James Snow from From the City of Blinding Lights, Canada writes: 'As I said in my first comment, the fact the Cons can run roughshod with these ads only highlights a panty waist opposition.'

    You sound pretty brittle, humourless and mean too, sappy.
  223. Janet Riles Windsor Ontario from Canada writes:
    Yes Mr Harper, please defend YOUR record instead of attacking others. Please do tell Canadians why they should support you !

    Could it be that you have no good record to defend ?
  224. James Snow from From the City of Blinding Lights, Canada writes: Harper and his gang of right wingnut religious greaseball zealots are on their way out, attack ads or no attack ads.

    LOL! Perhaps the clown will settle for King of Alberta, eh.
  225. Arny Archerd from Canada writes: okanagan pakman from Canada writes: Harper needs to defend his record. stop the slander....for Pete's sake...bloody-well GROW-UP!
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    You don't even know what the word slander means.Where is the slander nintendo?You mix it up with the truth that you and your libby hordes hate.
  226. George Nikitin from Hamilton, Canada writes: Harper maintains his tenuous grip on power through an odd cabal combining weathy, greedy, stupid and cruel voting demographics. The other 70% of us are wise to his crap and want no part of it. Our parts in Afghanistan, and the evirodebacle that is the Tar Sands, bismirch our reputation abroad and are endeavours unworthy of us as Canadians. We have to start telling the Babylonian whores who run us: no. Look where there economic policies have led us? They've steadily erroded the middle and working classes through a period of supposed economic growth, only to lead us to an abyss. Too bad none of the 'mainstream' parties offer a progressive alternative that can offer anything other than 'more' and 'same'. Common sense, decency and integrity are qualities entirely absent our so called 'leaders'. They're all owned ponies who've compromised every bone in their body and will point any which way the wind blows, or has to blow, as the case may be.
  227. James Snow from From the City of Blinding Lights, Canada writes: LOL! Never mind the neo-clown turkeys and their rabid use of 'Lie'brals for Liberals, eh. They're just full of gas, and their comments often come off like a lot of wind at your backside anyway.
  228. Arny Archerd from Canada writes: Janet Riles Windsor Ontario from Canada writes:
    Yes Mr Harper, please defend YOUR record instead of attacking others. Please do tell Canadians why they should support you !
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    Easy. Harper brings a bill forward and Stephane Ignatieff votes with Harper because he has no spine or backbone to face the people.Last time they got 25 per cent.Next time the same. Talk iffy iggy talk.Get an election going iffy.That would suit you fine to be at harvard for the fall 2009 session.
  229. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes:
    Arny Archerd from Canada writes: okanagan pakman from Canada writes: Harper needs to defend his record. stop the slander....for Pete's sake...bloody-well GROW-UP!
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    You don't even know what the word slander means.Where is the slander nintendo?You mix it up with the truth that you and your libby hordes hate.

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    Arny, since you seem to be the self-proclaimed righteous one attacking other commenters. Do enlighten us, please do tell us what the 'truth' is ?
  230. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Ed Long writes: The whole process of being a leader means defeating other people and that is usually not done with rock, paper, scissors.

    True, one of the principal hallmarks of leadership is success and, frequently, that means doing better than (beating) an opponent. However, that does not mean name-calling is a necessary for success or that belittling and demeaning an opponent always guarantees victory. Such behaviour is more appropriate to the scoundrel who, knowing he lacks sufficient valid ammunition to achieve his purpose, lowers himself to base insult.

    This, I humbly suggest, is not a level we should encourage or support. We should expect our leaders (more appropriately, those we hire to represent us) to act at least as well as we would. Of course, if we win arguments is by name-calling, slapping our opponents senseless or putting the boots to them, then the current behaviour is entirely appropriate. Perhaps we should dispense with Question Period altogether and simple have the leaders wrestle?

    If Parliament is a reflection of the will of the nation, if it represents the ambitions and achievements of its citizenry, what do attack ads say about us?
  231. Harry Smothers from Valga, Estonia writes: Doris Wrench Eisler from St. Albert, Canada writes: No one is suggesting, Harry Smothers, and I don't believe Rex Murphy ever did, that politics is church and politicians should act like choir boys but there are or should be standards.
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    Many have brought religion into to it, Doris, but I'll leave that.

    I agree, there should be standards. The Conservatives should be forced to put a disclaimer on all their ads that says: 'the actors and the opinions expressed are not real and any resemblance to real people with real opinions is...'

    But you have to admit, Doris, the actors the Conservatives do get for their ads are dead ringers, aren't they? The voices are spot on too.

    Ignatieff is known internationally, but academia is still a niche market. The Conservatives have done him a big favour by increasing his exposure to the Canadian public at large. Who knows? The more they see him and get to know him, the more they may love him. Eventually they may even love him as much as everyone loved Dion (and I'm not being sarcastic). By and large people liked Dion. But that wasn't enough, was it, Doris?

    Harper will continue to get elected despite the weight of the negative press he gets, because Canadians 'know' that he is the best of what's on offer.

    All models and paradigms change. Politics is no different. Rex and the Liberal Party are slow to change. They're comfortable with the staus quo, which makes them small 'c' conservatives at heart. And in Canada, the status quo has generally been the Liberal Party. Harper is changing that, Doris. But it's no big deal. We're all in it together, stuck in the middle.



  232. Colleen McIntosh from Ottawa, Canada writes: Have seen a couple of the 'so-called' attack ads...thought they were extremely mild, to say the least. Certainly, they are far less offensive than previous attack ads, by Liberal Party...Canadian Soldiers in our streets, as one good example. Oppps...I forgot if the Liberal Party has negative, attack ads...they are simply informative/truthful...it's only the Conservative ads that are 'attack', in nature!

    Truthfully, is the Liberal Leader ready to fall apart with or without his 'free ride' in the press/media??? Pretty pathetic, if so...whatever will he do once the going gets tough? He'd better thicken his skin, as politics is a nasty game that is played in full view of the voting public. Wait until he is attacked for his: relationship or lack thereof with family/friends, wardrobe, mannerisms, hair styles, (yes, his eyebrows), and hopefully some day ACTUAL policies or platforms.

    Am sure, Liberals will buy some attack ads of their own...if, they can ever raise enough money, to do!
  233. Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: Bill Harrison:-- What part of electioneering when there's no campaign on do you not get??? Oh, you do get it - you mentioned Liberal attack ads during an election. Bill, I feel that I must inform you that we are not in an election

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    Diane;

    You might want to start reading your own party propaganda sheets Dear, Iggy put Harper on notice that he was going to trigger an non-confidence vote over changes to UI ergo call an election. Iggy has Canada's most noted smear master working for him but that's like so cool. Some brain adled chicklet makes videos and smears the Conservative Party all over the net but it's not the Libs fault and of course said chick hasn't got the moral courage to assign her name to said smears. Maybe she's a he and he's working in the Lib war room??
  234. John Bennett from Toronto, Canada writes: What completely partisan drivel. All of a sudden attack ads are 'mean', of course in retrospect the years of Liberal attack ads must have been well deserved and caring. Facts are facts, and I for one have some new facts on Ignatieff to consider.
  235. Mike McFae from Canada writes: Well said Rex and a very accurate assessment of the situation.
  236. A Potvin from Toronto, Canada writes: Wow! Where did all these Liberal pantywaist commentators come from? I see they've really taken Rex's advice to heart. God bless Stephan Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada.
  237. Mike Dull from Victoria, Canada writes: What will I do today?

    Aha!

    Try to swing a few votes over to the CPC.

    How can I do that?

    Got it!

    Attack Iggy.

    Lemme see.

    What are his main flaws?

    Got it again!

    Bushy eyebrows.

    And........

    Too many stamps on his passport.

    That ought to do it.

    But hang on.

    I'd better change my name a little before I post my comments.

    Just so people don't think I'm dull.
  238. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Sassy Lassie:-- You can't have it both ways, though you want to try. Conservatives have ridiculed the Liberals for not taking a stand, and now when the Liberals propose to take a stand, you call that electioneering. In fact, Mr. Harper wants, yet again, to force the opposition to force an election. Last fall, Mr. Harper claimed that Parliament was dysfunctional, then he bragged about what he'd accomplished. Then he saved his political hide by running to the G-G. He's trying at least part of that tack yet again.

    Mr. Harper has not been disposed to fulfill the terms of the employment. The electorate has deigned to limit him to a minority mandate, which obligates him to seek consensus and cooperation. Because Mr. Harper is incapable of the kind of leadership required, he prefers the iterative process of forcing elections in the hope that he'll luck out. He is not managing his circumstances rationally; rather, he's allowed himself to be ruled by emotion. What we are seeing is an adult temper tantrum funded by idolators.
  239. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: ...HIS employment, obviously.
  240. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: diane marie writes: The electorate has deigned to limit him (Mr Harper) to a minority mandate, which obligates him to seek consensus and cooperation. Because Mr. Harper is incapable of the kind of leadership required, he prefers the iterative process of forcing elections in the hope that he'll luck out.

    Does it remind you of Alfred Einstein's famous quote: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
  241. Walt Forcanada from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Meanwhile, the spiteful, vitriolic attacks by the Liberals on Conservatives and the Prime Minister through those Youtube 'ads', bloggers-on-the-Liberal-patroll like Kinsela and others and yes, the msm types like Rex and Jeff, are perfectly ok. What really bugs me about Iggy is that for over 30 years, during the prime of his career, he contributed nothing to this country, avoided a generation's worth of surtaxes on surtaxes, in fact enjoyed life in the low tax haven of America, and paid not a nickel of tax in 'his' true country. He hasn't paid his dues.
  242. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Turtle's Back from Canada writes: Randy Highland: Iggy has just put the carbon tax on the back burner for now, as well as the national child care program. He can bring it forth at a later date.
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    That could very well be Turtle as can Harper with his secret little devious plans for Canada. Why do you think the voters of Canada have twice now only given him a Minority.
  243. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Trillian Rand:-- Indeed it does. Mr. Harper is obsessed and possessed by a hate of all things Liberal, an emotional state that crowds out any higher-order (mature adult) inclinations. Statesmanship and delayed gratification, for example.
  244. Zeno of Elea from Canada writes: Don't dare make your career outside of Canada unless you want your patriotism questioned. Steve Nash, Steve Yzerman, Gilles Villeneuve, Norman Bethune, Bryan Adams, Dan Akykroyd, Leonard Cohen, James Naismith, Roberta Bondar - your citizenship is revoked by order of the Supreme Dictator. Now if you have the audacity to have been born outside of Canada or have a foreign sounding name, the Supreme Dictator Steve has harsher measures in mind.
  245. Roger That from Canada writes: Where did all this 'red'iculous hackneyed style of comment-board posting come from? It is best to illustrate by example:

    For instance, instead of writing: 'there is some hypocrisy on the part of those in the Liberal and NDP parties who oppose negative advertising. Their parties have broadcasted equally nasty adds in past campaigns.'

    most posters would seem to prefer:

    'the pantywaisters can't decide which side of the bed their bread is buttered on. They can't stop their leftard mudslinging long enough to remember Ol' Johnny Crouton's Shawininanigans in 2000 (hello, Don Boudria anyone!?!?). One thing is for sure: Jack McTaliban and the Dionbots will believe anything the master-Goracle puts out on video, but they can't abide critacism. If you can't take the heat, GET OFF THE POT!'

    I weep inside.
  246. Clark Kentt from a Leftist Liberal party with a Fascist Leader for, Canada writes: All you pusillanimous Liberal goons should stop yer bellyaching and just cry out in one melodious chorus:

    >>>''ELECTION NOW .. IGNATIEFF .. UDAMAN ...!!!!!''<<<

    It should be your tag lines in every posting on the G&M forums so that Iggy hears your pleas for relief from your constant badmouthing of Canada's current PM and government.

    Somehow I think your Iggy will ignore such appeals and just let you all sit in yer cesspools while he hides under his desk ... content to criticize and attack but never cut the mustard when it counts.

    If Iggy doesn't table a non-confidence motion before the summer recess and convince his opposition junta cohorts Jack & Gilles to back him up for a June snap election, just imagine the torrents of 'truth' attack ads that will be dumped on him and his abject Liberal party ... and when they come back in September, Canadians will have learned all about Iggy and Zsuzsu and why they should never be allowed to come near 24 Sussex ...!!!!!
  247. joseph Cheng from Toronto, Canada writes: I parked my vote with the Cons in the last election because I thought Dion, the prof wearing blinkers, got into the wrong profession. But now with the Cons' infantile attack ads and the morose do-nothing attitude of the Cons, I am ready to switch to the Libs in the next election. There isn't any other choice but to give Iggy a chance to see what he can do!
  248. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Roger That writes: If you can't take the heat, GET OFF THE POT!'

    I love the image and, like yourself, am weeping.

  249. Clark Kentt from a Leftist Liberal party with a Fascist Leader for, Canada writes: Iggy ran away from Canada to live in Europe where he married a Brit girl and then a Hungar .... ho ho ho .... and he didn't have the decency to even marry a good Canadian girl.

    Once Canadians realize that Iggy is a faux-Canadian, crazed professor of human rights (torture, assassination, denial of rights, preemptive war, Bush is my hero), and who only wants to rule Canada as Prime Minister ... well ... we know what will happen next ... bye bye Canada ... hello Harvard ... I'm baaaaack ....!!!!
  250. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: For the record, I think that the questions are fair game, and they have been asked in a reasonable fashion (no photoshopping to accentuate physical characteristics/mannerisms, puffin poop, etc.). My issue is that this government does not want to exercise power in accordance with the mandate given it by the electorate. It chaffs at the bit of that mandate, refusing to accept the limitations placed on it by voters. It confuses governing with campaigning. One can only conclude, therefore, that Mr. Harper and the CPC have no respect for the electorate, for this nation's institutions, or for its governing practices - OR, what little respect they have is overpowered by matters of ego - all of which indicate an incapacity for the job.
  251. Clark Kentt from a Leftist Liberal party with a Fascist Leader for, Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: For the record, I think ...... an incapacity for the job.
    * Posted 16/05/09 at 5:46 PM EDT
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    And your preferred choice for Prime Minister of Canada is who ... and why ....???
  252. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Clark Kentt I think you will see Iggy table a non Confidence motion. Only problem is either the NDP or Bloq will all of a sudden prop up Harper or if they all say they all agree that they are going to vote down the Government Harper will run to the GG yet again to ask for Prorogue. Then he will spend the whole summer screaming BS that the coalition is back trying to steal his parliament.
  253. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Oh, oh, does 'chaffs at the bit of that mandate' pass muster with the Mixed Metaphor Posse?
  254. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: It might be helpful if I used the correct word - chafe, rather than chaff, though we are seeing a lot of chaff...
  255. Clark Kentt from a Leftist Liberal party with a Fascist Leader for, Canada writes: Randy Hyland from Winnipeg .... I think you are missing something in your no confidence scenario. Don't you think that Harper will ask the GG to dissolve Parliament and drop the writ for another unwanted snap election .... or ... are you assuming if Jack & Gilles are convinced to back a Liberal non-confidence motion that somehow the Coalition Junta will be resurrected and telling the GG they are ready to govern without another election..???!!!!

    Do ya think that Iggy would could might be convinced to become the next (unelected) prime minister of Canada if only he makes a deal with the BQ separatist devils and give the NDP socialist rabble several ministerial posts in his 116 seat ultra-minority coalition government??

    Do ya think Iggy would stoop so low as to steal the prime ministership of Canada .... as he has stolen the leadership of the Liberal party ...????? .... NAAAAH ...!!!!!!
  256. eyes on the world, feet on the ground from Canada writes: Pity the Conservatives. They just can't help themselves. Frightened is as Frightened does. Why else go after the 'menacing' Iggy?
  257. Lloyd Hawkeye from La Ronge, Canada writes: Do Harpo's attack ads on Iggy count as a lover's spat?
  258. Roger That from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Oh, oh, does 'chaffs at the bit of that mandate' pass muster with the Mixed Metaphor Posse?

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    What a typical leftocrat question! Better ask Suzuki first. And don't count your chickens before they come home to roost. ;)
  259. Clark Kentt from a Leftist Liberal party with a Fascist Leader for, Canada writes: Must be a lot of teenagers on the forum given the flood of short attention span inarticulate one-liner blurts ... oh such eloquence from the Liberal youth of Canada ...!!!!
  260. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Roger That:-- Did you consult your Conservatives' Guide to Pejorative Political Terms for 'leftocrat' and 'Suzuki'? Couldn't you have worked those other standbys, 'Marxist' and 'Goracle', in there, somewhere?
  261. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: diane marie: Despite their obviously combative natures, I have to say the rightards are extremely creative. And I hope that doesn't make them sound any less manly.
  262. Roger That from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Roger That:-- Did you consult your Conservatives' Guide to Pejorative Political Terms for 'leftocrat' and 'Suzuki'? Couldn't you have worked those other standbys, 'Marxist' and 'Goracle', in there, somewhere?

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    Yes, I had Goracle a bit earlier (I'm very fond of that one) but Marxist seems overused these days. The guide to which you refer has an Appendix which talks about the organic nature of Pejorative Political Terms (PPTs), and how we should aspire to use recent newsworthy events for inspiration. I am personally trying to work with 'Dhallify' (a verb) and 'it's Iggy McTamil-time!' (sort of a one liner).

    The 2006 version of the guide is now on sale at Chapters, although clearly outdated.
  263. Mike Not from Canmore from Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    If nothing else, these ads have initiated a dialogue.

    Is a man who has lived outside the country for 35 years and identifies himself as an American citizen, the man we want to run our country?

    It's a legitimate question.
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    Yes - and I would expect that the legitimate answer from the vast majority of educated, intelligent, thinking people is something along the lines of ' I rate this somewhere between 95-99 of the 100 most important elements in determining how I vote'. But I suppose there are a few Conucks out there who dont want to concern themselves with frivolous factors such as the economy, democracy, employement, foreign relations, public safety...you know..that pesky stuff that requires GOVERNANCE not ELECTIONEERING !
  264. Tor Hill Sask. from Canada writes: diane marie: did you catch the Doug Saunders article today? Very interesting...

    CPC's assault (as our government) on Europe is going badly, even on the free trade front, thanks to CPC's unwillingness to negotiate, to compromise...thanks to an all-out desire simply to win.

    Sounds like CPC's domestic politics! And certainly the Saunders piece is much more than an opinion piece, with supporting quotes from European officials, etc. Anyway, like you a few weeks ago, I am away visiting too but am enjoying the strong and pertinent posts when I can. And I know where they're coming from! Bye for now..
  265. R M - Canadian from Missisauga, Canada writes: I like the unbiased view that Rex Murphy has.

    OH WAIT.

    Did someone say he once ran as a liberal candidate in NFLD. Maybe he is not quite so unbiased as I thought. Thats why he fits in with the rest of the CBC elitists.
  266. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Tor Hill:-- I did see that. The seal matter is what one might call being blind-sided, but that's life and it's what we pay the 'big boys' the really big bucks to deal with. Dealing with it takes flexibility, though, not ideology (the CPC's specialty). Did you see my comment about Regina's architectural wealth? Have fun.

    Roger That:-- It would be on a remainder table if there weren't such a demand from those who have difficulty expressing rational thought. Or, maybe it's the paucity of rationality...
  267. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Trillian Rand:-- Red meat manliness is the underlying narrative, after all.
  268. Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: The Libertarian attack ads can be seen here: http://darrylwolkpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/libertarian-party-of-canada-runs.html

    Don't expect the Liberal indoctornated MSM urnalist to report that it's not only Conservatives who partake of said ads, the truth is no defense when the left report on Iggy. Fluffy bunny feel good stuff, I can only shutter if the man becomes PM and is challeged, he's got zero leadership experience or real life experience oh well he's a Blue Blood thus born to rule us unwashed masses.
  269. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: New entries for the PPT: indoctornated and urnalist. One of my great aunties, gone these thirty years, caused great family amusement with 'herditory' (rather than hereditary). Herditory would be useful, though not in the manner Auntie meant it.
  270. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes:
    Trillian Rand from Canada writes:Ah, yes, the Conservative Party is the last bastion of manliness, isn't it? I remember a time, not that long ago, when Mr Harper was facing a vote of non-confidence and had an opportunity to do what politicians do, defeat his opponent in a general election. That, after all is the purpose of politics, isn't it? And didn't every Conservative in the country expect an easy victory against the much maligned Mr Dion?

    Instead of calling the bluff of the non-leader, Mr Harper did the political equivalent of running to mommy, he had the Governor General prorogue Parliament. The only machismo shown in that debacle was having to decide between losing a vote of non-confidence or showing the fixed-date election legislation for the sham it was. Tough choices made by hard-minded men, indeed.

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    Good post Trillian , but we might also note that Harper also appointed 18 con reform senators all while Parliament was shut down at his request. Harper had promised an elected senate to Canadians, that was just one of his many election platform promises broken.
  271. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Sassy Lassie writes: Don't expect the Liberal indoctornated MSM urnalist to report that it's not only Conservatives who partake of said ads, the truth is no defense when the left report on Iggy.

    You failed to exempt the Globe and Mail from your comments about one-sided, left-favouring media. You know, one of the many Canadian newspapers that urged people to vote for Mr Harper in the last election, an action that branded them as friends of the right.

    Frankly, the ads are bewildering after Mr Harper's denunciation earlier this year of Libertarians, even (or especially) those among his own ranks. Maybe it's the old 'enemy of my enemy' camaraderie at work?
  272. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Neo/TheoCon Lies: So many examples, so few words allowed.
  273. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
    A Potvin writes: Wow! Where did all these Liberal pantywaist commentators come from?

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    We're called the majority.

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    You are?

    Gee...after three years of howling and shrieking that 'X% of the country voted against Harper/CPC' and with polls showing the LPC with equivilant or less support all of a sudden you're 'the majority'...

    What a pompous @$$!
  274. Larry L from Canada writes: Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional: '... that was just one of his many election platform promises broken. '
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    Geez, did you have to bring in the topic of Harper's election promises? Don't you know from reading these boards that everything is the 'Lieberal's' or 'LPT's' fault?
  275. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Trillian Rand:-- Or just a convenient way of doing negative advertising at a distance, in the manner of a PAC.
  276. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes:

    The quoted paragraph from this article says it all !

    ' In political-science terms, Mr. Harper is an idealist. His approach is to project and impose his strongly held, broadly neoconservative ideals on to other countries. He is the opposite of realists such as Mr. Kissinger or Barack Obama who will compromise or sacrifice principles to benefit their national interest. With George W. Bush out of the way, he is perhaps the last idealist on the scene (aside from extremists such as Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad).'

    BUSH = HARPER = COMPLETE FAILURE
  277. Tony . from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    The attack ads by the Liberal party in 2004 soured me to Paul Martin and the attack ads by the Conservative Party in 2006, 2008 and basically every day in between and since then, have soured me to the Conservative Party.

    Rather than being 'mean' I would instead refer to them as being childish.

    The worst part is that the only defence offered (or, according to some, needed) is 'the Liberals did it too!!!' Again, childish. Sadly the Liberals seem to be planning, behind closed doors at least, to follow the same sort of pointless behaviour by more closely emulating the Conservative campaign techniques. I guess the old 'but... but... he started it!' of 3 year olds is alive and well among our politicians.

    An interesting bit of irony is that the last election things actually got BETTER because the Conservative Party was subject to spending limits. Suddenly the volume of junk mail they sent me DECREASED significantly from before the election.

    Another odd bit is that none of the political parties (Federal or Provincial) seem to know the riding boundaries. I get WAY more junk mail about candidates, MPs and MPPs from the next riding over than I do from my own riding.
  278. Randy Hyland from Canada writes: Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: The Libertarian attack ads can be seen here: http://darrylwolkpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/libertarian-party-of-canada-runs.html

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    I wonder Sassy if you can explain to me why it is that Darryl Wolk is standing so proudly beside Stephen Harper. Is the Libertarian party some sort of parachute party of the CPC? Your link is a joke.

    http://tinyurl.com/Darryl-Wolk
  279. MW 123 from Canada writes: Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: The Libertarian attack ads can be seen here: http://darrylwolkpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/libertarian-party-of-canada-runs.html

    Don't expect the Liberal indoctornated MSM urnalist to report that it's not only Conservatives who partake of said ads, the truth is no defense when the left report on Iggy. Fluffy bunny feel good stuff, I can only shutter if the man becomes PM and is challeged, he's got zero leadership experience or real life experience oh well he's a Blue Blood thus born to rule us unwashed masses.
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    The fear, and absolute desperation of Harpers drones is obvious in such ridiculous and foolish statements as these.
  280. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Why would one wish to admit to being a member of the unwashed masses?
  281. Larry L from Canada writes: MW 123 from Canada writes: 'The fear, and absolute desperation of Harpers drones is obvious in such ridiculous and foolish statements as these.'
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    I'm not sure whether its 'fear, and absolute desperation' or, rather, that the ridiculous and foolish statements merely reflect the limits of their cognitive abilities. Or, perhaps, a combination of all three attributes.
  282. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: diane marie writes: Trillian Rand:-- Or just a convenient way of doing negative advertising at a distance, in the manner of a PAC.

    I considered that, but shock seemed to be the most common reaction from those who claim to be libertarians. Or perhaps shock and amazement. It's hard to believe they would approve of or mount an advertising campaign that benefits Mr Harper without some sort of an apology or, dare I say it, some other form of consideration (undoubtedly non-monetary).

    Curiously, the party's acronym is LPC.
  283. Turtle's Back from Canada writes: Rex, I hope you do the same to Iggy when the 'Lie'brals put out their attack adds.

    It seems this will happen before every election!!!!
  284. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Trillian Rand:-- Hmmm. I fully expect a CPC civil war of the kind currently being waged in the GOP, only there will be at least three combatants: moderates (former PCs, Red Tories); Reform/Alliance (Albertans, populists, social conservatives); and doctrinaire Libertarians. Maybe they are already jockeying for power?
  285. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes:
    If conservatives are so patriotic, why are they sending jobs outside the country and overseas?
  286. F. Wm. Woodward from Calgary, Canada writes: My God we have short memories - does anyone remember Monsieur Chretian and his corruption together with whatever dirty tricks he and his Lieutenants could conceive. I think the Harper Govt lacks integretary and is without message but maybe it is our system ie: first past the post. I see very little hope for Canadians who believe our system will bring justice.
  287. M B_tok from Windsor, Canada writes: I do not see these Ads as mean spirited my goodness whoopee ding don't we all have soft egos these days? Then again we all know the proverbial truth of the statement about the shoe? 'If the shoe fits than you should wear it!' There is nothing mean spirited about telling the truth! I believe Liberals are just upset about the fact that possibly they were planning another non- confidence vote soon to cause an election and possibly the conservatives sensed it and started ads early just in case? This fellow Ignatieff is an outsider and in these times we have to be very, very cautious about who we put in the driver's seat! There is a huge lesson to be learned by us, by looking to the United States and witnessing what an awful, awful trajedy has happened there by the voters voting in a relatively unknown! They were so pleased and thought they had taken a new direction for change and had made history at the same time by voting in the new 44th President! Then, when they awoke they found that they had made an awful mistake and now they have a Marxist style government in power who is led by elite offshore bankers fleecing and robbing their country down the road to bankruptcy, while losing more and more of their rights everyday! We must be careful and use due diligence! Do Canadians want to see this happen to Canada as well?
  288. Larry L from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Why would one wish to admit to being a member of the unwashed masses?
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    Of course, diane marie, you know the answer to your question. Plebeians tend to create a false image of their status/importance as a means of overcoming their cognitive dissonance imposed by their inabilities to enhance their status/power. Part of that strategy involves disparaging and/or temporarily overpowering the patricians but, in the end, the patricians always win, always.
  289. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
    Clark Kentt, listen I know it's hard to enter the fray as a CPC hack when 80% of the country is against you....BUT PLEASE, try harder.
  290. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: oh Larry L, Sparrow sent me the same talking points this past weekend....really you have to try harder, it's like 6-1 in terms of support vs anti-CPC sentiment here....step up your game or don't get paid.
  291. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: Larry L from Canada writes....

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    YES! Earn your paycheque soldier....evangelical soldier, stay strong, tamp down the majority....tell us we must live by your moral authority....!!!!

    I hate stem cell research too, f$%k those that suffer, every man for himself...HARPER RULES!!!!
  292. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Larry L:-- It seems to me that the ads disparage viewers by suggesting that they are utterly powerless (unwashed masses) and thus require someone to stoop to caring about them.
  293. Larry L from Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: oh Larry L, Sparrow sent me the same talking points this past weekend....really you have to try harder, it's like 6-1 in terms of support vs anti-CPC sentiment here....step up your game or don't get paid. .................. YES! Earn your paycheque soldier....evangelical soldier, stay strong, tamp down the majority....tell us we must live by your moral authority....!!!!
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    I'm at a bit of a disadvantage, here, because you haven't provided a reference to any posting I made. However, your use of 'evangelical soldier' suggests that I am a CPC supporter and, if that is your belief, you're just flat out wrong. Try reading my post of 8:13.
  294. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
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    Rejoice citizens for today is the day....rather than focus on our ineptitude in regards to your suffering focus instead on our trivial yet distracting campaign ads....

    Please citizens pay no attention to the fact that we are not in an election, revel in Dear Leader Harper's power of fiscal manipulation....you think that those bailout funds were for you?!

    Accept that everything Dear Leader does in the best interest of Harpanada...to question Harper is to question our brave men and women in the field of battle, are you a socialist? Do you willingly join the other 80% of Canada that does not support Dear Leader Harper???

    Do not be swayed by the truth or facts, immerse yourself in wedge issues and divisive issues....let Big Daddy do the thinking for you.

    And please citizens, donate as much as you can for Dear Leader, because it's not about you, it's about him.

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  295. Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: Gassie A$$HAT, you're a clown. Why don't you deal with Conservataurus Rex's assertion that you cons are gutter dwellers....... End quote:------------------------ I'd rather hang in the gutter with the unwashed masses who the liberal elites scorn than hang with the elites and spend my days watching my employees eating off the floor because I think I'm above the working class. You smear my party from the shadows using an anonymous chick you assert isn't working for you, nice try but that's as plausable as I let them eat at the table cause they are like family. I respect Rex, and Harper should take his advice to stop the attack ads and rename them 'Public Service Messages' if MSM did their job the Conservative Party wouldn't have to. Personally I have no issue with attack ads, Liberals are cowards they hit you from behind and if you retailiate they scream bully cough cough Coalition of seperatist and socialist/commies ring a bell? They need a learned Academic to lead them because unlike us Cons we actually attended University they need a leader who did. They need what they deem a smart leader because they can't get past the entrance exam perhaps? Liberal ideology: Self esteem is more important than spelling is starting to bite the left in the butte. Liberals are dragging the dead guy around again, absense of a real scandal they cling to a corpse dah no surprise there. 14 mil on a Conservative witch-hunt not enough money wasted yet???
  296. Mack Aoidh from Canada writes:

    Diane Marie from calgary

    Define doctrinaire Libertarians please.
  297. Rick Taves from Chatham-Kent, Canada writes: Harper has always considered himself the smartest guy in the room. Must be hard realising that he is not. Time for him to retreat behind his Alberta firewall.
  298. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
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    Alert citizens, beware of one named Sassy Lassie. A charlatan at best, leaking documents to Wiki-Leaks, undermining the CPC cause....your cause.

    Evidence shows they are nothing more than freelancer of self-interest, selling out our country for personal gain.

    Do not be fooled by their foolish banter, it is nothing but rhetoric concealed behind a self-serving agenda, fueled by jealousy and academic envy.

    Sassy is Iggy's offspring....hiding behind a moral wall of hypocrisy...personally blinded by partisan talking points that are too complex for Sassy to understand....regurgitation is the only option, but when questioned it all breaks down....Sassy needs a real-time feed from CPC HQ....DONATE and don your blue sweater vests, excelsior!!!
  299. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
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  300. Larry L from Canada writes:
    True Conservative in the West

    I'm still waiting. What in the he!! made you think I'm a CPC apologist?
  301. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Mack:-- I was about to repeat the BNN admonishment ('do your own research'), but then decided that it might seem snarky. Libertarians wish to maximize individual liberty while simultaneously/necessarily minimizing or abolishing the state. Obviously, there are all sorts of Libertarians: anti-war; pro-property-rights; anarchists, etc. Doctrinaire simply refers to an ideologue's propensity for ignoring the practical difficulties of implementation.
  302. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: Larry L,

    My apologies the broadcast service is in full partisan mode....delimiters of common keyboard characters are not enough to dissuade the patriotic police of the great Government of Harper.
  303. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:

    Clark Kentt, listen I know it's hard to enter the fray as a CPC hack when 80% of the country is against you...

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    Jaysus...first the LPC is 'the majority' with less support than the CPC received in the 2006 election...and now all of a sudden only 20% support the CPC when the polls show 29-33% support?

    To use your words, 'it's so easy to prove a (Liberal) lie when the facts and truth are presented'.

    ...and here all this time I thought Liberals were supposed to be good with numbers!
  304. c n from Smithers, Canada writes: Just a news flash to all of you who admonish Iggy for living abroad and not paying his share of Canadian taxes. Rich people do not pay taxes, they have tax shelters whether they live in Canada or elswhere. Middle income people pay the taxes that support this country. One day you hardcore right wingers will realise this and have an open minded look around. People who lean to the left work and pay taxes too, we are not all welfare cases waiting for money to fall on us from the sky. Blind idealogue is what allows dinosaurs like Harper to stay in power. If the worst thing about Iggy is time abroad maybe he can bring a world wide perspective to the game. Blindly following the US's lead like Harper is ok because he did not live and work there? You people are starting to trip over the facts in your hurry to condemn a man.
  305. Larry L from Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: 'arry L, My apologies the broadcast service is in full partisan mode....delimiters of common keyboard characters are not enough to dissuade the patriotic police of the great Government of Harper.'
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    Apologies greatfully acknowledged and sincerely accepted.
  306. Wily 905 from Toronto, Canada writes: The truth is that the people need this kind of blunt tasteless in the face information to counter the utter self indulgent nonsense they get from the media. And thankfully it works like a charm.
  307. Tor Hill Sask. from Canada writes: What diane marie is saying is rather pertinent. There is in-fighting in the US Republican party over ideological goals, principles, etc. CPC cannot be exempt from the same thing. Sad thing is, the Republicans are just on hold right now. But putting them on hold for a good long time is not an impossibility. There was even another relevant article in today's print version of G and M- about how economic inequality harms all of us. Try selling that idea to the non-intellectual Stephen Harper! d-m: yes, I saw your post about architecture. There are indeed lots of graceful echoes from the past in my city's architecture.
  308. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
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    ALERT CITIZENS, ALERT...Jason Roy from Central Nova has been identified as this months Harper Lover!

    Through his unstoppable dedication to Harper, his willingness to put ideology above rational thought and his absolute casting aside of that socialist/liberal concept of accountability.

    The Government of Harper bequeaths the Medal of Servitude upon Jason Roy an honourable soldier, keyboard commando of cheetos and a true patriot above all.

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  309. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay ON, Canada writes: Bad manners and poor politics indeed Mr Murphy. God forbid that Canadians be aware of Mr Ignatieff's past musings of the past 35years or so as he ethusiacticly pledge his love for his adopted England and then go on to tell Americans for all intensive purposes he WAS A AMERICAN and felt like a American. Yes Mr Murphy it is indeed bad manners to tell Canadians that Mr Ignatieff favoured George Bushes Iraq war and that he favoured torturing detained suspect terrorists bad manners indeed. The nerve of those ill mannered Conservatives.The gentlemen has had very Interest in Canadian politics for close to four decades. Ill mannered louts indeed, that anyone would dare bring to the attention of Canadians that the Liberal hoisted to the crown leader of their party was anything but a liberal for most of his adult life and he is NOT in favour of gay marriage a basic Liberal value for some time that Mr Bryson himself now a self proclaimed disciple of Mr Ignatieff agrees was a mistake. and that his leaving the Conservative Party for their position on this issue was also a terrible mistake. This notion that Canadians are NOT entitled to know the background and the political leanings of someone who, after some Thirty Five years of self imposed exile from our country. He now claims he's a loyal and dedicated Canadian Nationalist and wants to become our next PM That a certain CBC( a hotbed of Conservative philosophy said to be Canada's Fox News) political commentator who claims to be non bias is incensed that anyone would dare to inform the 50% of those Canadians that no little of the man. The gentlemen who during the 70's one of Canada most exciting political periods and some claim the turning point in Canadian political and social development decided that he was.not particularly interested and left for greener [pastures abroad.He didn't return until receiving a phone call from a Liberal Party organizer making him a offer he couldn't resist, some 35 years after he left.
  310. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
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    ALERT CITIZENS, ALERT...Jason Roy from Central Nova has been identified as this months Harper Lover!

    Through his unstoppable dedication to Harper, his willingness to put ideology above rational thought and his absolute casting aside of that socialist/liberal concept of accountability.

    The Government of Harper bequeaths the Medal of Servitude upon Jason Roy an honourable soldier, keyboard commando of cheetos and a true patriot above all.

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    Now I'm a 'Harper lover' am I?

    Read my the following part of my ID slooooooooooooooooooooooowly...re-posted here for you:

    'On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo)'

    Blinder removal a prerequisite.

    A CPC supporter yes, Harper supporter no - the guy's gotta go and I don't care if it takes a rebellion in the ranks or an election loss to do so.

    Understand now - or do I gotta get Sty here to explain it to you - and he's about as stupid as it gets.
  311. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: c n:-- Well said, and what always amazes me is the willingness with which those who do pay taxes are co-opted to be the spear-carriers for those who make sure that the rich pay as little as possible. I like the recent report that Revenue Canada served as an investment vehicle of last resort for corporations to the tune of $90 million, and that the government was either powerless to stop or willfully abetted that particular sacking of the public purse.
  312. Mack Aoidh from Canada writes:
    diane marie from calgary

    I was curious as to your definition as you seem to cast it in somewhat of a negative manner which you reinforce with your reply.

    The Liberal party is fortunate to have such a loyal , unswerving , free thinking soldier as yourself.

    Never question , always obey.
  313. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova,

    The fact that you feel the need to reply to my transmissions, says more than I ever could....
  314. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: and Jason Roy.....supporting MacKay is the wost thing we could do....that mofo sold the Progressive Conservative ideology down the river....he can rot, as he should.
  315. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
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    ALERT CITIZENS, ALERT...Jason Roy from Central Nova has been identified as this months Harper Lover!

    Through his unstoppable dedication to Harper, his willingness to put ideology above rational thought and his absolute casting aside of that socialist/liberal concept of accountability.

    The Government of Harper bequeaths the Medal of Servitude upon Jason Roy an honourable soldier, keyboard commando of cheetos and a true patriot above all.

    END TRANSMISSION
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    Now I'm a 'Harper lover' am I?

    Read my the following part of my ID slooooooooooooooooooooooowly...re-posted here for you:

    'On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo)'

    Blinder removal a prerequisite.

    A CPC supporter yes, Harper supporter no - the guy's gotta go and I don't care if it takes a rebellion in the ranks or an election loss to do so.

    Understand now - or do I gotta get Sty here to explain it to you - and he's about as stupid as it gets.

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    So Jason, according to what you have just typed, you are willing to give Harper 'the boot' at next election ? Yes or NO ?
  316. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:
    Jason Roy....

    MacKay sold the Progressive Conservative party out....that is all, if you support him you support Harper...both spineless weasels.
  317. G. Veneta from Canada writes: Maybe the best outcome here is utter devastation for the Harper conservatives in the next election then the party can splinter back to the Progressive conservatives and Reformers and the Progressives can rebuild.

    There is not enough space in Canada for the fringe Reformers in the political spectrum. They only got as far as they did by taking the conservative name and hoodwinking people into believing they were 'tories' and the media bought in as well. This cult is pure republican of the worst kind. Anti humanity, anti-environment, pro money and pro war.

    Harper insults all of Canada with these sleaze ads. Canadians are achievers and proud of it. Harper can take his mediocrity with him.
  318. Will Farnaby from writes:
    See The Young Tory of the Year at Preston Manning's 'Centre for Building Backwards and Downwards'...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpypZHVaD1c
  319. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay ON, Canada writes: Harpanda? Better Harpanda than Iggy's. The gentleman who pines to be our next PM thought there was only 3 Time Zones in Canada. Thought Canada should make some effort to begin contact with Cuba did.n't realize that Canada has has had diplomatic relations with that Country since early 30's and that Canada has had open trade with that country for decades and some 60 Thousand Canadians visit that country annually Apparently Iggy was under impression President Kennedy placed trade embargo against Cuba. and he wanted that changed. Your in Canada now sir That's C as in(cat)ANADA .To be busy telling English that he loved their country and felt it was his adopted country and then after he got tired of the English he was telling Americans he felt like and was in fact a American. and that he supported George Bushes Iraq war perhaps.Sir ,all new immigrants and those that have been in self exile for 35years and wish to return to our country CANADA you know that big glob of geography to the north of your self proclaimed country,that country to the north where all the Eskimo's live and covered in ice for 11 months of the year, are required to learn something of the new country they have chosen to become a citizen or have felt a sudden urge at the insistence of the Liberal Party to return to.You might do Canadians a service by learning something about the country you are telling us you want to become Prime Minister of.God forbid.
  320. tried and true from Chatham, Canada writes: CR - what kind of example does Harper set for our children? He and Ben go to Hockey Games and he goes to his Daughter's dancing performance, same sort of things I would do for my children, by the same token, don't hear much about what Iggy does for his children, if he bothers with them or leaves caring up to his first wife, he certainly copped out where his mother was concerned when she was sick and left it up to his lessor intelligent brother, oh and also Harper believes in some Christian values to pass on to his children, I thought that was good for my children too, of course this is a passe notion for Libs, unless you are Dalton M and then its okay as long as you are RC otherwise don't give funding to any other religious affiliation. --Just Thinking- Iggy more handsome than Harper, only if you are wearing rose colored glasses and not being honest . Harper arrogant-- and Iggy not who are you trying to kid. Diogenes- on the Lesser Evil book- if so good why can you by if for .72 cents on market now when it cost 18.00 in hardprint can't be worth all that much or that many anxious to read it. Lee Smith-on iggy's books if they were best sellers do you think he would be back in this country trying to run for P.M. Sassy Lassie - says it right, Dave Mathesson - on Bush and Iggy Blood Brothers -- good question Dave something for posters to consider. CD smither's too bad you didn'nt believe the adivice offered on buying stocks --eg bank stocks if bought when advice offered were low and you would be alot richer if you had taken the the advice when offered, perhaps you should reconsider. Colleen - right on. Zens -- how many of the folks you named who left the country came back to run for P.M. just asking? Roger right on. Many do not like attack ads when against their party and that is only natural but both parties are and have been doing it for years. Many papers are slanted one way or the other why I don't know but there must be some incentive for this.
  321. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: The illiterate rarely vote, and when they do vote they do so without the ability to make decisions based on textual information. Political campaigns, which have learned to speak in the comforting epistemology of images, eschew real ideas and policy for cheap slogans and reassuring personal narratives. Political propaganda now masquerades as ideology. Political campaigns have become an experience. They do not require cognitive or self-critical skills. They are designed to ignite pseudo-religious feelings of euphoria, empowerment and collective salvation. Campaigns that succeed are carefully constructed psychological instruments that manipulate fickle public moods, emotions and impulses, many of which are subliminal. They create a public ecstasy that annuls individuality and fosters a state of mindlessness. They thrust us into an eternal present. They cater to a nation that now lives in a state of permanent amnesia. It is style and story, not content or history or reality, which inform our politics and our lives. We prefer happy illusions. And it works because so much of the American electorate, including those who should know better, blindly cast ballots for slogans, smiles, the cheerful family tableaux, narratives and the perceived sincerity and the attractiveness of candidates. We confuse how we feel with knowledge.
  322. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: The illiterate and semi-literate, once the campaigns are over, remain powerless. They still cannot protect their children from dysfunctional public schools. They still cannot understand predatory loan deals, the intricacies of mortgage papers, credit card agreements and equity lines of credit that drive them into foreclosures and bankruptcies. They still struggle with the most basic chores of daily life from reading instructions on medicine bottles to filling out bank forms, car loan documents and unemployment benefit and insurance papers. They watch helplessly and without comprehension as hundreds of thousands of jobs are shed. They are hostages to brands. Brands come with images and slogans. Images and slogans are all they understand. Many eat at fast food restaurants not only because it is cheap but because they can order from pictures rather than menus. And those who serve them, also semi-literate or illiterate, punch in orders on cash registers whose keys are marked with symbols and pictures. This is our brave new world.
  323. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: Political leaders in our post-literate society no longer need to be competent, sincere or honest. They only need to appear to have these qualities. Most of all they need a story, a narrative. The reality of the narrative is irrelevant. It can be completely at odds with the facts. The consistency and emotional appeal of the story are paramount. The most essential skill in political theater and the consumer culture is artifice. Those who are best at artifice succeed. Those who have not mastered the art of artifice fail. In an age of images and entertainment, in an age of instant emotional gratification, we do not seek or want honesty. We ask to be indulged and entertained by clichés, stereotypes and mythic narratives that tell us we can be whomever we want to be, that we live in the greatest country on Earth, that we are endowed with superior moral and physical qualities and that our glorious future is preordained, either because of our attributes as North Americans or because we are blessed by God or both.
  324. Foil Helmet from Shiny Town, Canada writes: Harper:
    pros - bright, knowledgeable, has principles - to stay in power at almost any cost
    cons:mean , big supporter of the misguided policies of George Bush, Dick Cheney, religious right.

    Ignatief;
    pros -brighter, knowledgeable, ? (torture?)
    cons:too much time outside Canada? supporter of the misguided policies of George Bush and Dick Cheney,

    So the mean spirited proroguer or the slick enigma?
  325. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: The above article was written last fall; it captures the dumbing down, mean spirited, neo crazed agenda the Harper machine promotes with vigor. Strauss philosophy out of the University of Calgary is exapnding at an alarming pace. The United States of Alberta supports Harper, Kenny et al with unbridled passion however I hope the rest of our nation understands the thin veneer of evil that lies beneath the sycophantic, morally bankrupt, small c MINORITY government.
  326. True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:

    The fact that you feel the need to reply to my transmissions, says more than I ever could....

    Jason Roy....

    MacKay sold the Progressive Conservative party out....that is all, if you support him you support Harper...both spineless weasels.

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    Hahahahahhahahahahahaha!

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    Wow, not often I pity someone...but I do feel sorry for you. Good luck my man, when your fabricated tough guy world facilitated by Harpo falls apart I hope you find the support you need.

    Take care my friend.
  327. MW 123 from Canada writes: The ads are being seen as a resounding failure already. They are being widely criticized as nasty and unnecessary. The move to TV was a huge error. When people come home from work and watch TV, the last thing they want is to be brainwashed, when there isn't even an election.

    It is prety clear the only ones supporting them are party hacks. You can tell them a mile away, because they are juvenile in their schoolyard arguments. If all Harper has left is people like Sassylassie et. al., its going to be a slam dunk majority for Ignatieff. Keep talking Sassielassie, your drivel is driving the votes to the Liberals.
  328. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Mack:-- On the contrary. I embrace quite a few things that Libertarians would espouse. For example, I see no reason why the state should engage in a War on Drugs AND (as fellow posters will no doubt confirm) I am decidedly anti-war. On the other hand, I see a rich and productive raison d'etre for the state, and I despise what I see of anarchists. So, I think you read between the lines and assume some sort of partisan stance of your own creation. Pity.

    Tor Hill:-- I am repeatedly impressed, if not mesmerized by Regina architecture. No doubt it does not compare with what the Globe today reports of Istanbul, but compared with Calgary, there is a wonderful streetscape that has one looking up to admire garlands, gargoyles, bellflower pendants, flourishes, pediments, etc. What a great, small Canadian city.

    tried and true:-- Methinks that the stereotypical 'Ozzie and Harriet' view of family life, if ever tried and true, is no longer relevant.

    Renee Olson:-- FANTASTIC post. The bedrock people of our communities struggle to overcome the Darwinian hurdles placed before them, even as they are made to feel guilty for being used and abused. We are only as good as our protection of the powerless.
  329. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay ON, Canada writes: Aahh Charlie Chan fortune cookie Say's sometimes those who claim to be literate and scholarly are not so smart.Case in point former President William Clinton . Rhodes scholar perhaps but oh so dumb. former PM Brian Mulroney smart well educated,lawyer former PM of Canada not so smart accepted cash in brown envelopes in airport hotel and other hotels no paper documentation, no specific reason given for accepting money from German businessman Mr Mulroney apparently didn't think anyone would bother to ask question later and inquire about suspicious nature of transaction, NOT SO SMART and SO DUMB and the list goes on.Charlie Chan say's sometime a good dose of decency and common sense goes a long long way in being successful. PS for those of you not old enough to remember Charlie was a Chinese detective character who always of course solved the murder in a series of Black and White B Movies in late Thirties and into late 40's Speaking of late It's past my bedtime. I am out of here for the rest of the weekend. Have a good one every one.
  330. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: Why was Clinton so dumb?
  331. Cut The Crap from Canada writes: I couldn't care less about attack ads. This is politics, quit your whining, there are no real rules. It's just plain dirty business, and now the whiners are crying foul when the mud is slung their way.

    Fact is Iggy is about as interesting as reading the phone book, and the Liberals have not yet paid sufficiently for creating the biggest corruption scandal in Canadian history. They should be kept out of power for a full generation in order to give a chance for all the connected players to disappear.
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  332. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: And Mulroney smart???? Hmmmm....graduate of STFX and law degree from Dalhousie; exactly what 'smart' meter are you using George?
  333. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Renee:-- You've really got to stop asking such inconvenient questions.
  334. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: Cut the Crap I agree the Sponsorship Scandal was a black mark for Liberals and for Canadians, however biggest corruption scandal????? You must be joking. Power deregulation in Alberta, Alpac, Comenco, the list goes on and on; the level of corruption within the United States of Alberta is mind boggling.....
  335. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay ON, Canada writes: Renee I said was going to bed , but did you say Why was Clinton so dumb? Where have you been? MONICA and I apologize for the spelling WALINSKI? does that ring a bell for you.IN THE WHITE HOUSE A vivid description of dumb President's P---- being exposed and Mr Clinton a Rhodes Scholar explanation of I didn't have Sex! He did what, and said what? and where? Now that's what Millions of Canadians and Americans said was DUMB DUMB and DUMBER? Good night Renee sweet dreams.
  336. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: Perhaps you can help me out Diane; so why is President Clinton ever so dumb?
  337. tried and true from Chatham, Canada writes: Diane - I don't know whether or not you have a family or not but Ozzie and Harriet World was much better than the world of today,too bad you missed it, if you had of lived then you would realize that life was less stressful, so whatever it was you berated me for is your loss. George Lawrence gives you food for thought about Iggy in his posts, and although you are good at sterotyping me how about reading George's post and what about it can you refute. In fact I think you are good at missing what you wish to and not refuting many things because you know they are true.
  338. Cut The Crap from Canada writes: Renee Olson,... you are confusing bad policy with corruption scandals.

    The sponsorship scandal is the worst. Over $100million paid with no work or product delivered. Whether or not this is the largest waste of tax payers money is irrelevant, this was orchestrated at the highest level of govt. The Liberals need to pay politically for quite some time yet; they cannot be trusted.
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  339. The Mckenzie Brothers from Canada writes: Was the liberal leader really out of Canada for 34 years like the Tory ad said he was?
  340. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: Cut the Crap....Policy? Alpac and Comenco aren't an issue of policy
  341. MW 123 from Canada writes: Cut The Crap from Canada writes: The Liberals need to pay politically for quite some time yet; they cannot be trusted.
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    How long, forever? That would be convenient for you con hacks. The cons need to pay for quite some time for pushing hypocrite, wreck Canada, Harper. He is a total creep and incompetant and we need a change now. Give Iggy a chance, it can't be worse than hypocrite, divide Canadians against each other Harper.
  342. siren call from Canada writes: Renee Olson from Edmonton -- I think you're going to need to provide some information about Alpac and Comenco.
  343. Donalda Williams Clogg from Hudson, Canada writes: Quebecers may not have approved of Mr.Dion, but he is one of them, a Quebecer.
    In sports parlance, they could certainly be called 'bush league'
  344. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Renee:-- Apparently, some people are overly concerned about cigars, but I agree with siren call. Do fill us in.
  345. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: Siren; short answer; two companies (friends of Klein whilst he was environment minister) I lobbied against both Swan Hills Comenco and Athabasca river Alpac in 91 and 92 (with PIAD).....a decade later the pocket lining was epic.....sorry for not writing more indepth; rushed for time.
  346. The Last Honest Conservative from Western, Canada writes:
    You reallky know you are Conservative when :
    Schmitz comes from a family that is no stranger to controversy. His father was the ultraconservative Orange County congressman John G. Schmitz, who once ran for president but whose political career ended after he admitted having an affair with a German immigrant suspected of child abuse. Schmitz's sister is Mary Kay Letourneau, the Washington state teacher who served more than seven years in prison after a 1997 conviction for rape after having sex with a sixth-grade pupil with whom she had two children.
    Schmitz, who resigned on Sept. 10 to take a job with the parent company of defense contractor Blackwater USA, is now the target of a congressional inquiry.
  347. Nickstar One de Bantario Banada from Canada writes: Nonsense, Lieberals have very short memories. The 13 year period of Cretin and friends was rife with the 'bad manners, bad politics' of 'dark forces and hidden agendas' patented smear tactics. The Lieberals, Iggy being the latest 'crowned prince' with no opposition permitted, fully deserve what they dished out by the bucket. Looks good on them. People will not be fooled by a leader that 'looks down his nose' and positively 'drips with condescending arrogance'. Perfect example, 'the CPC minority government is 'on probation'(arrogant Iggy Lieberal probation). Look up Iggy, Canadians elected a minority CPC government whether you like it or not.
  348. Prsn Nep from Canada writes: It saddens me to think that Conservatives worry about such petty issues when real issues go unnoticed.

    For example, Canada is lagging in research and innovation... and instead of catching up, it keeps falling further behind:

    http://chronicle.com/news/article/6429/report-gives-canadian-research-a-middling-grade-but-hails-work-at-universities

    Are we content to be LAST among the G7 countries in patents per capita?
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/indpatapprespercap-patent-applications-residents-per-capita

    Government needs to be active in solving problems that free market alone cannot solve. And many problems fall in this category. But unfortunately, the Conservative government is too ideologically driven to let facts get in their way.
  349. Nickstar One de Bantario Banada from Canada writes: .....'as you know, political parties make millions of dollars when getting elected ($1.95 a vote subsidy) and so tax dollars are indirectly funding the spiteful CPC attack ads.'.....
    Brought to you, courtesy of: Just another arrogant and deceitful, taxpayer scam of the Cretinite Lieberals.
  350. Richard Sharp from Gatineau, Canada writes: Mr. Murphy is a bit late to come to his conclusions.
  351. Richard Sharp from Gatineau, Canada writes: This from the party led by the man who called Canada a third-rate socialist country. Whose Canadian pedigree is on trial here?
  352. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:
    Murphy .... politics has nothing to do with manners ... unless your judging from the Opposition view. Stabbing the competition in the back is not about manners ... its Iggys MO.
  353. Richard Sharp from Gatineau, Canada writes: Uh, Mr. Russell, can you please provide a single example when Mr. Ignatieff did anything disrespectful to his competition? Like to Messrs. Rae and LeBlanc in the Liberal leadership race. Or to Mr. Harper for that matter.

    What on earth are you talking about?
  354. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter MacKay Country (Don't Say We Didn't Try To Tell You Ms May) And On Top Of That I Believe It May Be Finally time For Harper To Go (And I Don't Mean To The Loo), Canada writes: True Conservative in the West from Canada writes:

    The fact that you feel the need to reply to my transmissions, says more than I ever could....

    Jason Roy....

    MacKay sold the Progressive Conservative party out....that is all, if you support him you support Harper...both spineless weasels.

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    Hahahahahhahahahahahaha!

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    Wow, not often I pity someone...but I do feel sorry for you. Good luck my man, when your fabricated tough guy world facilitated by Harpo falls apart I hope you find the support you need.

    Take care my friend.

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    To paraphrase your words above - the fact that you can only dance and deflect around the facts I presented you with and the fact you're no different that any Con you slag...only with a different coloured stripe...tells me more about you than you'll ever know.

    NEXT!
  355. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: Conservative voters need to keep in mind is that it isn't 'attack' or 'arrogance' to say that the Harper Gov't is on probation. Harper is a minority PM, kept in power by an intervention of the GG. If she had not prorogued parliament, Harper would be leader of the disgruntled opposition. Harper HAS to play nice to stay in power.

    Con propaganda keeps saying that Ignatieff is arrogant. Provide one piece of evidence. What has he said or done? You keep telling us what he is. Here's what I suspect. Most neo-cons are angry little men, cruel to those beneath them. You are weaker than a modern Conservative (cover your ears shades of John A., Dief the Chief etc.) and they can't wait to get the boot it. The Ontario Conservatives were the worst. Flaherty led the pack. An individual who is better in every way -- smarter, writes books (rather than burns them -- and alot of books), taught at Harvard, appears on the cover of GQ when he was just a guy. He's a Russian count by birth. He's got money -- alot of money -- but he made it, rather than inherited it. He MUST be arrogant, therefore, because they'd be arrogant in his place. By the fact of his being neo-cons apprehend a threat. If he were a con, they'd propitiate him (i.e. lick his @ss). Since he's a lib, they attack.

    This just isn't an issue for the Harper gang. An ugly aspect of the Canadian personality is extracting apologies from the above average. Have a better house -- you apologise. Get a good education -- you apologise. Make more money -- you apologise. Better looking: on your knees. Those who don't comply aren't arrogant, but honest. Modesty once meant being honest about what you had done and could do (and if it told a good story, because you were a good man, so be it). Maybe Ignatieff's real problem is that he's been running in circles where its not a problem to have an IQ higher than 100. Harper is good at modesty because (as the saying goes) 'he has much to be modest about'.
  356. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: B. Lepine. You should recall what your hero Harper had to say about Quebec, and its choices, a few months ago. Wasn't it, then, something like treason to ever seek coalition with members of the Bloc? Was't cooperation with Quebec something like treason, justifying exceptional intervention from the PM and GG?

    Come to think of it, was the previous lib leader (Dion) relentlessly mocked for his accent?
  357. Clark Kentt from Snow Bound, Canada writes: Rex Murphy/CBC logic .... The Liberals are free to define Stephen Harper as they did with Chretien and Martin ... but the Conservatives are not allowed to define Dion and Ignatieff...!!!

    Is that what you are telling us..???
  358. Proud Canadian from Canada writes: Iggy is an unknown to most Canadians and by default is allowing the Tories to fill the void with what they want us to hear.

    I don't like this tatic, but it is a smart one. Iggy will spend the rest of his short career as a politician trying to redefine himself as a Canadian who understands Canada.

    First Impressions stick.
    The lie that 9/11 hijackers came through Canada will never go away.
  359. Reginald H. from Nepean, Canada writes: I read different media and almost never put forth my thoughts but the Globe hosts the most childish band of soft skinned rude arrogant self important out of touch garbage spewing liberal voters ever to be witnessed. A few truth ads put them in a tizzy.I throw the challenge to prove at least one aspect of the ads that is incorrect. One sentence that is not true. How are videos of Ignatieff in his own words an attack. How stupid are you people?
  360. Logan Fields from Hong Kong writes: Bravo, Mr. Murphy.

    Positive campaigning on issues that matter is what we need from all parties, not cynical, race-to-the-bottom bullyism and smear.

    We still don't quite know what Mr. Ignatieff stands for (with the Liberal platform expected in June), so nobody has my vote at the moment. What I do know is that my vote won't be persuaded by personal attacks which have nothing to do with the leadership this country needs.
  361. Clark Kentt from Snow Bound, Canada writes: Reginald H. from Nepean, Canada writes::: I read different media and almost never put forth my thoughts but the Globe hosts the most childish band of soft skinned rude arrogant self important out of touch garbage spewing liberal voters ever to be witnessed. A few truth ads put them in a tizzy.I throw the challenge to prove at least one aspect of the ads that is incorrect. One sentence that is not true. How are videos of Ignatieff in his own words an attack. How stupid are you people?
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    Reggie ... if you notice, the Liberal goons don't defend Iggy; they only attack Harper with the hope they will demonize him so that their Iggy starts to look good to Canadians. Their only strategy is to tear down Harper so that it looks like Iggy has risen from his lowly depths as the faux-Canadian counterfeit leader of the lugubrious Liberal party. So obvious .....
  362. bruce greenwood from Canada writes: Harper has wasted so much of his term in office with stupid poitical games. What has he accomplished beyond targeted tax breaks for this or that demographic identified by conservative hacks from polls and census data?

    Does this guy ever think about the nations' future?
    Three & and a half years of political nonsense from someone given the opportunity to lead a great nation at the dawn of a new century. Pathetic when one considers how hard the Obama team has worked in their first 100 days.

    Let's dump Harper and his party hacks before it's too late to make up for those lost years!
  363. Joanne Fortin from Ottawa, Canada writes: If Harper is so bad why does Ignatieff alway vote with him. How come liberals pass all of the conservative laws? Liberals are all wannabee conservatives. The proof is in the pudding
  364. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: Clark Kentt -- that's as obvious a case of projection as I've ever seen.
  365. Joanne Fortin from Ottawa, Canada writes: Can you imagine if Harper had a video of himself and he called himself an american? The liberal jerks here would go bonkers.Can you imagine if Harper said quebecois people were a bunch of nobodys like Ignatieff said how the liberal jerks would go bonkers. Liberal posters are two faced loser loud mouth hypocrites.
  366. Clark Kentt from Snow Bound, Canada writes: Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes::: Clark Kentt -- that's as obvious a case of projection as I've ever seen.
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    You got that right if you mean that Iggy is projecting himself as the next prime minister of Canada ... but I would call it 'deluding'.

    Surely nobody on this forum can believe somebody like Ignatieff is electable as the prime minister of Canada?!

    Wake up Liberals.. Iggy is NOT a True Patriot Son of Canada ... he's an opportunistic interloper who has had everything laid out for him on his return to bucolic Canada ... even being installed as Liberal leader before being formally acclaimed in a one-man race to accomodate the laughable Liberal party constitution. I feel for leftist Liberals who must now swallow their newly coronated faux-Canadian counterfeit leader ... who if anything displays a fascist history in his time away from Canada ... as a Thatcherite in the UK and a Bushbot in the USA.

    Cover that Pigeral in lipstick if you can ....LOL

    What do you Liberals take Canadians for ... total dummies??? ... Wait!!!! ... You do ...!!!!!!
  367. David Simcoe from Muskokas, Canada writes: Ignatieff is nothing more than a transplanted Brit who always wanted to be American and is a right wing war and torture mongerer. Sorry he flip flopped on that too
  368. Malcolm Thistle from Canada writes: Mean streak my eye. This is the kind of stuff form the liberal mass media that most people ignore because it's partisan based. Harper has brought modern marketing techniques to Canadian politcs because that's what political parties do - market. He's doing it better than others so partisans hate him for it. Negative ads rarely backfire and usually work and you can tell if they contain elements of truth by the protests they generate from the other side. Harper's not mean to run these ads and the proof is that it won't be called mean when the Liberals do it. Which they will. Methinks Rex Murphy protests too much and that says more about Murphy than anything
  369. George Ruetters from Canada writes: David Simcoe from Muskokas, Canada writes: Ignatieff is nothing more than a transplanted Brit who always wanted to be American and is a right wing war and torture mongerer. Sorry he flip flopped on that too

    . . . now that really makes him a TRUE Canadian!
  370. Richard Provencher from Truro, NS, Canada writes: I am in favour of these ads since the media has spent so little time taking a look at Iggy, except propel him to star status. Yet they micro attack anything about our PM.
  371. Clark Kentt from Snow Bound, Canada writes: bruce greenwood from Canada writes::: Harper has wasted so much of his term in office with stupid poitical games. What has he accomplished beyond targeted tax breaks for this or that demographic identified by conservative hacks from polls and census data?

    Does this guy ever think about the nations' future?
    Three & and a half years of political nonsense from someone given the opportunity to lead a great nation at the dawn of a new century. Pathetic when one considers how hard the Obama team has worked in their first 100 days.

    Let's dump Harper and his party hacks before it's too late to make up for those lost years!
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    Bruce .... you fail to recognize that Canadians have only given the Harper Conservatives minority governments, which keeps Canada's Parliament in a constant state of election readiness. Surely this is not the way Canada was meant to be governed..!!!

    Perhaps it is the fault of Canadians themselves for being so politically divided that they cannot bring themselves to finally expunge the corrupt and even criminal Liberals from political life.

    If you recall then PM Martin's minority government and how difficult it was for him to govern effectively .. being held under by the NDP thumb ... and in the end, Martin was dubbed 'Mr. Dithers'.

    Canada is not meant to be governed by a minority government except by tacit coalition as there was during the Pearson minority government.

    As for you plaintiff cry to 'dump Harper', who do you propose to replace him and where will that new leader find his majority government? Surely you don't fantacize for an Ignatieff Liberal minority government in coalition with the NDP .... because that would be like Hitler and Stalin trying to govern together..!!!
  372. Truth Ads from Canada writes:
    IFFY the flipper flopper.
    How do you trust a man who cant trust his own word and signature?
    Truth or attack?

    December 1, 2008-'I support the coalition accord because it's fiscally responsible, it provides responsible economic leadership in tough times and it also conserves the basic principles of national unity, equality, that our party has always believed in.' Liberal leadership candidate Michael Ignatieff

    Fast Forward six months.

    May 10, 2009-'There was also a question concerning the legitimacy of the coalition that troubled me. I felt it was very difficult to guarantee the necessary political stability during a time of crisis with three partners in a formal coalition,' he said. 'That was my first doubt. I couldn't guarantee the long-term stability of the coalition under the circumstances.'
  373. Truth Ads from Canada writes:
    IFFY the flipper flopper

    On March 28, at a public gathering in Victoria designed to showcase his talents, federal Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff was asked a simple question about asbestos...

    'I'm probably walking right off the cliff into some unexpected public policy bog of which I'm unaware,' Ignatieff replied. 'But if asbestos is bad for parliamentarians in the Parliament of Canada, it just has to be bad for everybody else. So you have to be right, and our export of this dangerous product overseas has got to stop.'

    But given the importance of the asbestos mining industry in Quebec and the power of the asbestos lobby in Ottawa, it was also decidedly impolitic – so much so that within four days Ignatieff was forced to ignominiously back-pedal, insisting that he meant only that Canada should warn potential buyers about any dangers posed by the mineral.
  374. Truth Ads from Canada writes:
    IFFY the flipper flopper

    To defeat evil, we may have to traffic in evils-indefinite detention of suspects, coercive interrogations, targeted assassinations, even pre-emptive war. New York Times magazine op-ed piece, May 2, 2004
  375. Truth Ads from Canada writes: In 1998 in an interview with Jan Wong of the Globe and Mail, Michael Ignatieff dismisses Quebec culture, stating that the only thing that differentiates Quebeckers from the rest of Canada, and indeed all of North America, is that they speak French.

    'Quebeckers walk around with this fantasy of how different they are, but they are just North Americans who speak French...They take the minor difference and magnify it.'
  376. Poly Gon from United Kingdom writes: A fantastic article, and spot on: despite the CPC having been the party of government for a few years now, there is always some kind of an external bogeyman that they need to focus their energy on, someone 'else' to blame for the ills of the country. They behave like a Natural Party of Opposition - antagonistic, spiteful, and somehow unable to mobilize their own record or their own vision as an inspiration for the country.

    The CPC is pouring energy and time into designing schoolyard bully websites, instead of trying to connect with Canadians with good ideas for the country. Who's in it for themselves after all?
  377. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: Truth Ads from Canada writes:
    IFFY the flipper flopper

    To defeat evil, we may have to traffic in evils-indefinite detention of suspects, coercive interrogations, targeted assassinations, even pre-emptive war. New York Times magazine op-ed piece, May 2, 2004
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    So, your point is that Izzy is a fascist.
    True, but so is Harpo.

    The prime minister's foreign policy job is to keep the US Government sufficiently happy with us that our economy runs ok.

    Izzy was at Harvard when Pres O was a student.
    They have lots of mutual friends in high places.
    They will get along great.

    Obama thinks Harpo is a jerk.

    Our foreign policy is in better hands with Izzy.
  378. bruce greenwood from Canada writes: CLARK KENT FROM SNOW BOUND CANADA..... 'criminal liberals' huh, I didn't see any former liberal P.M.'s testifying under oath about how they recieved thousands of dollars in cash from dubious lobbyists; and why he failed to report it for taxes due until the story was about to go public.

    Obviously I'm aware of Harper being limited by his minority status. This fact shouldn't prevent his government from developing a plan to deal with the predicted jobless recovery and stagnant economy post recession. In fact he is cutting research grants to post secondary institutions when knowledge based jobs are critical.

    Unlike the venomous personal attacks right wing people post everywhere they can, I will say Harper showed early promise and I thought tax free savings accounts were a great idea. I also liked the plan to bring competition to the wireless indusrty.

    But that's not enough. He has to accept the mandate that Canadians gave him and stop the politics. Your right about Martin's stumble in office,but at least he can show a body of that provides well for our future. ( eliminating the deficit, surpluses etc )

    I don't want an ndp/lib gov't, and Ignatieff has won my trust and I would expect him to work in a pragmatic manner with or without a majority.
  379. Truth Ads from Canada writes:
    IFFY the czar the king the master of imperialism

    clever wordplay doesn't disguise a poor grasp of the facts. Reading Ignatieff's feature articles in the New York Times Magazine over the past four years, one discovers that the pompous professor is a bad student who doesn't actually learn from his own mistakes. In 'Nation Building Lite' July 2002

    Ignatieff calls for heavy-handed nation-building in Afghanistan: 'The Afghans understand the difficult truth that their best hope of freedom lies in a temporary experience of imperial rule.' And to work, 'imperial power requires controlling the subject people's sense of time, convincing them that they will be ruled forever.'
  380. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes:
    The threat of coalition: New Democrats and Liberals are putting aside many of their differences, recognizing that, for the sake of the country and its citizens, they can agree on a strategy to deal with the global financial crisis and help everyday Canadians weather this storm. Stephen Harper is out of touch with the situation facing most Canadians. We have already seen pensioners watch helplessly as their personal investments evaporate and resource industry workers lose their jobs.

    The quickly declining economy will massively affect all sectors of Canadian society. Harper was warned by his experts of the impending crisis, and he did little to mitigate the problem. In fact, his first response was to deny there was a problem. Then, on Thursday, rather than provide strategies to stimulate the economy and protect jobs, he proposed removing federal workers' right to strike, 'review' (read sell off) Crown corporations and assets, and cut funding support to political parties.

    And this from a person whom his supporters call an economist? Harper called his premature general election on the pretense that he had a dysfunctional parliament, but everyone can see that the man knows nothing about consensus. He's a bully who runs his minority governments as if they were majorities.'
  381. Truth Ads from Canada writes:
    For once IFFY tells the truth.His words speak the truth

    Ignatieff wants to make the puffin bird the symbol of the Liberal party.

    Liberal deputy leader Michael Ignatieff says the industrious little seabird is a 'noble' creature that exemplifies Liberal values.

    'It's a noble bird. They lay one egg (each year). They put their excrement in one place. They hide their excrement.'

    'This seems to me a symbol for what our party should be'


    Yessum. Lay one egg and hide the excrement.
  382. Andre Poirier from Canada writes: While I am no fan of Iggy, I actually think we made a collossal historic mistake last fall by killing the inspirational coalition, my favourite in these new conservative ads is the one in French.

    They actually say 'When he speaks French, he speaks not with a Quebecois accent, but rather with one, from France ....!'

    First of all it ain't even true, but secondly, what is your point?

    By killing the coalition last fall we gave more legitimacy to these absolutely childish and pathetic tactics that have no place in a civilized country.

    We could have gotten rid of this once and for all last fall by getting rid of this, because the coalition was the only democratic and respectful option, that was eaten alive by these children. And Iggy did not rise to the occasion to stamp it out ... and there's the rub. Who do we vote for next. Tell them all to resign and hire a bunch of student volunteers. They would likely do much better, be a little more truthful, and a little less full of themselves.
  383. Andre Poirier from Canada writes: G & M can you just post a link to Truth Ads website where we can all vountarity go look at this dribble rather than put it on this page.
  384. Clark Kentt from Snow Bound, Canada writes: Truth Ads from Canada writes::: IFFY the flipper flopper ......
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    TA ... What is a 'flip-flop'..???!!!!

    A 'flip-flop' is a cheap plastic sandal, with a thong that goes next to the big toe and around the foot and flaps about .... not much support or substance as footwear .... or political acumen...!!!!!

    Yup ... that's Iggy the Incredible International Interloper ... and wannabe Canadian prime minister ...!!!!!
  385. Truth Ads from Canada writes: Andre Poirier from Canada writes: G & M can you just post a link to Truth Ads website where we can all vountarity go look at this dribble rather than put it on this page.
    ===============================================
    Dribble mr. separatist? That's the whole problem with you anti canadians. When the true words of your leader are exposed you hoot and holler that they should be censored.Those are ignatieff words.Why don't you defend them?He said them not me.What are you afraid of? The truth? Pooooor little people.
  386. Clark Kentt from Snow Bound, Canada writes: Andre Poirier from Canada writes::: While I am no fan of Iggy, I actually think we made a collossal historic mistake last fall by killing the inspirational coalition, my favourite in these new conservative ads is the one in French.

    By killing the coalition last fall we gave more legitimacy to these absolutely childish and pathetic tactics that have no place in a civilized country.

    We could have gotten rid of this once and for all last fall by getting rid of this, because the coalition was the only democratic and respectful option, that was eaten alive by these children. And Iggy did not rise to the occasion to stamp it out ... and there's the rub. Who do we vote for next. Tell them all to resign and hire a bunch of student volunteers. They would likely do much better, be a little more truthful, and a little less full of themselves.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    Well Andre ... if your beloved Coalition Junta had seized control of the federal government, by now you would have seen the division of Canada where the West would quickly split from Eastern Canada .. and of that you can be certain.

    Your Coalition Junta would have overthrown the duly elected government of Canada with the collusion of the Quebec GG ... and Canada would have had a Toronto-Montreal axis government that would have force the West out of the confederation.

    Why you and your Eastern cabal can't see that is beyond me ...!!!!
  387. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: MONTREAL—It is unprecedented for a sitting Canadian prime minister to approve – as Stephen Harper did this week – French-language attack ads that depict a fellow federalist leader as hostile to Quebec.

    For as long as there has been a vibrant sovereignty movement, such a tactic has been deemed too potentially corrosive for the national fabric to be used to score points in a partisan game.

    Chantal Hebert
    http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/634671
    _____________________________________

    Thanks for the link siren call. Quite obvious that a top Rovian guy is in charge .... a fellow by the name of .......untz whatever...The new Guru of the minority Reform-Alliance party otherwise known as the CPC.

    -=
  388. Truth Ads from Canada writes:
    Justin Trudeau shows how liberals eat their own

    . 'I think that one of the big differences between Ignatieff and my father, I’ll be surely getting myself in a bit of trouble here, it’s a level of the force of his judgment.'
    With Ignatieff, he’s a bit all over at times. He says this, he says that, he contradicts himself. He doesn’t have the clarity that my father could have.
    He maybe has the intelligence, but he does not have, maybe, the necessary wisdom.
  389. garlick toast from Canada writes: I'm sick of this '' rear-view mirror'' crap. The question is, where is Canada going? How are we going to pay for the projected deficit?
  390. okanagan pakman from Canada writes: DEFEND HARPER'S RECORD. STOP THE SLANDER.
  391. The Work Farce from Canada writes: Awesome. 400 posts on who's policies are meaner - Mr. Harper's or Mr. Iggy's? But the difference in the everyday life of Canadians if and when Mr. Iggy becomes PM will be --------------? Fill in the blank, send your answer to The Work Farce and you could win a prize.
  392. Richard Sharp from Gatineau, Canada writes: Mr. Kentt, get a grip. 'if (the)... Coalition Junta had seized control of the federal government, by now you would have seen the division of Canada where the West would quickly split from Eastern Canada .. and of that you can be certain.

    Your Coalition Junta would have overthrown the duly elected government of Canada with the collusion of the Quebec GG ... and Canada would have had a Toronto-Montreal axis government that would have force the West out of the confederation.'

    What total nonsense. Coalition governments happen all the time in democracies. The Harpercrites screamed bloody murder about the
    'separatist coalition,' 'sedition' and 'treason' and whipped the likes of you into a frenzy.

    On the other side, there was unbridled joy that we were finally getting rid of the last Bush poodle.

    A coalition is still possible in the future so go pack your bags.
  393. Anyone but Ignatieff; Rae and LeBlanc. or Duceppe for the new Liberal Leader. from Canada writes: There would be no Ignatieff attack ads if the Liberal press would get off their butts and do their job. How can a talk show host, professor of basket weaving at harvard and a man missing for some forty years from Canada, get the Liberal Leadership withot a membership leadership convention? If the Conservatives tried a stunt like this the Liberal press would never stop hounding them to death. Liberals! Stand for nothing, fall for anything.
  394. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Anyone but writes :

    ''....How can a talk show host, professor of basket weaving at harvard ...''
    ________________________________

    Basket weaving at Harvard??? Another redneck showing how jealous he is of Ignatieff.

    Please, all of you trolls and paid shills, why aren't you asking your Conservative-REFORM-ALLIANCE minority government to GOVERN in those worst times ever for Canada, instead of playing 3rd grade schooyard bullies.

    Meanwhile, Gilles Duceppe is laughing his head off since his Bloc is more popular than ever.... How stoopid can this C.R.A.P party of Reform Alliance be??? Where's our true Tory Conservative party?? Gone and hijacked by the Reform-Alliance .

    Good bye

    - = 013
  395. Gary Baggey from Bright., Canada writes: I Gary Baggey would not vote for Steven Harper because he is a Morron. Steven did not want the Canadian flag lowered when our dead soldiers arrvived back in Canada from Afaganistan he said that was for VIPs only. Steven is not a VIP.and his suggestion of not lowering the flag was an insult to the families in morning. Steven wants to aboilish the Canadian Human Rights Commission so Steven can become a Dictater that is very disrespectful to the soldiers who died in the 1st and second world war.Steven will not pay out EI. he would rather have us steal and murder one another to servive.Steven is fighting so women in Afganistan do not get raped by thier husbands but Steven is raping the Canadian workers . Steven is fighting for human rights in China and other countries but he dose not practice it at home. I hope Steven dose not win a third term because he will get the gold plated pension for a third win . Is Steven worth a gold pension when if he wins an election this year he could step down the next day and he did not even finish a four year term. His attack adds will hurt his party and I will not vote for some one that is doing nothing but he can attack others. Steven is very insucure. Gary Baggey.
  396. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: Who has Rex been supporting for the last few years, again? Oh yeah, that would be harper and crew. Rex's apparent epiphany is very much more than a day late and a dollar short.
  397. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: I really don't understand how some posters can claim that the press has not been 'taking a look' (to quote poster Richard Provencher) at Mr. Ignatieff. The Globe and Mail has printed two, quite lengthy features on Mr. Ignatieff. Neither was an unquestioning tribute. In the threads attached to the most recent feature, myriad pro-CPC posters complained bitterly that Mr. Ignatieff was getting too much attention/print space. Now, which way do you want it? I sense that you feel that Mr. Harper should not have to suffer any competition, or is it just that you don't think he's up to the challenge?
  398. Ed B from Calgary, Canada writes: Most of the main stream media in this country is one massive and ongoing attack against anything conservative.
  399. Shadow of the Bear from Canada writes: The Ministry of Truth is alive and well.
  400. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: diane marie writes: I fully expect a CPC civil war of the kind currently being waged in the GOP, only there will be at least three combatants: moderates (former PCs, Red Tories); Reform/Alliance (Albertans, populists, social conservatives); and doctrinaire Libertarians.

    When I suggested a two-way struggle a few months ago, I was angrily denounced by people who can't make spell-check work. I'm surprised no one has berated you for your comments. Perhaps they have seen the error of their previous denials.

    I believe a power struggle has been going on for some time, but that it has been wisely kept low-key. No party keeps a leader for generations so it is logical someone has foreseen Mr Harper's ouster and considered an alternative. It is no secret some 'real' Conservatives are unhappy with him. It is no stretch of the imagination to believe some of those true Conservatives would want to take back control of the party.

    The Libertarians have several options. They can can stand back until old and new camps have shredded themselves or they can pick sides early and ride a winner of their own choosing. Their current ads suggest they like picking a winner and are going with the Reform side of the party, not altogether surprisingly, even considering Mr Harper's denunciation. After all, planning ahead sometimes means overlooking or writing-off the present.

    Those cheerleaders who post here have injected so much emotion into their support of Mr Harper that one wonders how they will react to his replacement. The one sure thing is change, something many fans have apparently forgotten. Mr Harper is already looking doubtful for the next fixed-date election. His only chance of extending his career is an early election and a majority, a chance that gets slimmer by the month. I expect door number three: early retirement to spend more time with his family.
  401. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes: Trillian Rand from Canada writes: diane marie writes: I fully expect a CPC civil war of the kind currently being waged in the GOP, only there will be at least three combatants: moderates (former PCs, Red Tories); Reform/Alliance (Albertans, populists, social conservatives); and doctrinaire Libertarians.

    When I suggested a two-way struggle a few months ago, I was angrily denounced by people who can't make spell-check work. I'm surprised no one has berated you for your comments. Perhaps they have seen the error of their previous denials.

    I believe a power struggle has been going on for some time, but that it has been wisely kept low-key. No party keeps a leader for generations so it is logical someone has foreseen Mr Harper's ouster and considered an alternative. It is no secret some 'real' Conservatives are unhappy with him. It is no stretch of the imagination to believe some of those true Conservatives would want to take back control of the party. . . .

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    Interesting comment Trillian Road, however, do you not think the 'Conservative' name has been forever tarnished by the extreme right Reform Alliance Party ?

    True conservatives will have to inject a new party name and completely prove a new, honest and centrist image in order to ever have me come back to the true 'Progressive Conservative' party.
  402. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes:

    Sorry.....interesting comment 'Trillian Rand'......my sincere apology
  403. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Neo/TheoCon Lies asks: do you not think the 'Conservative' name has been forever tarnished by the extreme right Reform Alliance Party ?

    No, I don't. The traditional image has been tarnished, but not irreparably. Having said that, much rests on who wrestles control of the party when Mr Harper leaves. If the Reform side wins, then traditional Conservatives will have to reconsider their options. One would be to withdraw from the alliance and start their own party or, as abhorrent as that would be, support some other party. Winning, as so often is the case, is by far the best option.

    Likewise, it is possible that as time passes, the present party might become more moderate. Certainly the pressure to win elections will drive populism, but even that means the partial renunciation of radical philosophies that prevent anything better than a minority. If the next election does not produce a Conservative majority (and I'm not sure one or two seats would be enough) the already sharpened knives will be out. The only unknown is which side truly wants to win.
  404. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Trillian Rand:-- Perhaps it's better to tread water with the leader one has rather than to have what is going on in the leaderless GOP? I did expect a reaction from that post and was sorely disappointed that I didn't receive one. The CPC, I think, is an ideological, nativist, and regional stew. Mr. Harper has managed to keep it in one pot through a combination of hope (which must be waning) and a brutal 'I like to see fear in their eyes' leadership style.

    The Alberta bunker mentality will always prevail, either on the outside (fringe parties) or on the inside (trying to bully-rule its host party). Mr. Harper is simply the Calgary School's protege/Trojan Horse, but one wonders whether they'll be able to find/produce a new one. They're all getting a little long in the tooth for incremental conservatism by way of a host party. I agree with your assessment of Mr. Harper's career prospects and I view this ad campaign as either preparation for a last stand or to preface a decision not to take one - depending on what the polls tell him.
  405. Clark Kentt from a loyal , democratic, Canada writes: Richard Sharp from Gatineau, Canada writes: Mr. Kentt: 'if (the)... Coalition Junta had seized control of the federal government, by now you would have seen the division of Canada where the West would quickly split from Eastern Canada .. and of that you can be certain.

    Your Coalition Junta would have overthrown the duly elected government of Canada with the collusion of the Quebec GG ... and Canada would have had a Toronto-Montreal axis government that would have force the West out of the confederation.'
    ......................

    What total nonsense. Coalition governments happen all the time in democracies. The Harpercrites screamed bloody murder about the 'separatist coalition,' 'sedition' and 'treason' and whipped the likes of you into a frenzy.

    A coalition is still possible in the future so go pack your bags.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Well, Richard ... I don't know where you live in Canada, but I can assure you that a Toronto-Montreal Axis, Liberal-NDP-BQ Coalition Junta will push the West out of Canada ... and of that you can be 100% certain. Any Liberal and NDP MPs from the West would not be able to return to their ridings if they were to support such an unholy Coalition Junta turning over federal power to Toronto and Montreal interests.

    Also there are many ridings in Ontario outside of Toronto who would rebel against such a Coalition Junta ... and fight for a truly elected democracy in Canada. I would be ready to fight against your power hungry Coalition Junta because I am ready to fight for a truly democratic Canada. Overturning the duly elected government with your Coalition Junta, conceived between socialist Jack Layton and separatist Gilles Duceppe only hours after the last election is in my mind quite seditious.

    I trust you will be prepared to fight for your Coalition Junta ... so bring it on...!!!!
  406. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Neo/TheoCon:-- I think the internecine struggle over the Party's treatment of Mr. Mulroney showed that the PC side may be down in Mr. Harper's presence, but it's certainly not out. I find that I agree with Trillian - the Party is not irreparably harmed - unless it chooses another Albertan (Mr. Prentice, for example) as leader. In my view, Mr. Harper has relegated perceived Albertan politicians to the untouchable category for some time.
  407. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Clark Kentt:-- The one thing you didn't cover in your overwrought rhetoric is that Mr. Harper advanced his own 'power-hungry junta' on September 9, 2004, with the same 'socialists and seditionists'. And speaking of democracy, you seem to have some difficulty with the idea that roughly 60% of the Canadian population - Canadians who reside in the Windsor-Quebec City corridor (which also contains three of Canada's four largest cities) - ought not enjoy political power. And, when you claim that if Alberta can't get its way, it will leave Canada, you sound exactly like the seditionists you fear-monger about vis-a-vis 'the junta'.
  408. Peter Alward from Canada writes: Cosmopolitan? Ouch.
  409. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Neo/TheoCon:-- I think the internecine struggle over the Party's treatment of Mr. Mulroney showed that the PC side may be down in Mr. Harper's presence, but it's certainly not out.
    ___________________________________

    While PM Harper was away, there was indeed an internecine struggle over the treatment of Brian Mulroney. Harper put the muzzles back on his disciples and we haven't heard even a whisper regarding Mulroney. That doesn't mean that true blue Tories are happy with Harper's treatment of Mulroney...meanwhile, the attack ads against Ignatieff are seen as a ''gift from Heaven'' by Mr. Duceppe and the Bloc. Harper the UberDivisive has divided both his party and Canada... What next??

    - == 14
  410. Neo/TheoCon Lies - Harper Dysfunctional from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Neo/TheoCon:-- I think the internecine struggle over the Party's treatment of Mr. Mulroney showed that the PC side may be down in Mr. Harper's presence, but it's certainly not out. I find that I agree with Trillian - the Party is not irreparably harmed - unless it chooses another Albertan (Mr. Prentice, for example) as leader. In my view, Mr. Harper has relegated perceived Albertan politicians to the untouchable category for some time.

    --------------------

    Hello Diane:

    I still feel that Harper and his reformers have forever tarnished the conservative name. Yes, I agree that Harper has relegated Albertan politicians to the bottom of the barrel so to speak.

    I see only one resolution: both the Reform Alliance and Progressive Conservative parties will have to separate and re-invent themselves in order to be viable parties for the future. The reform alliance party it appears, would be the West's version of the 'bloc'. The Progressive Conservative party a more centrist national party.
  411. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: I hope the Fiberal club members & their buddies like Rex in the MSM keep on shouting long and loud about the terrible attack ads the Cons are using to make up for the MSM ignoring the truth about Iggy. And lay it on folks about how mean-spirited, bullying and sinister the PM is. Why? Because only we bloggers get bent out of shape about this stuff.

    The vast majority of Canadians get their news on TV between sit-coms. So won't they be amazed to hear & see that Iggy has been 'out-of-town' for 36 years. I can hear the 'I didn't know that!''s reverberating across the nation. 'And Martha, look at that! Iggy was an American, he says, in this old video tape. Can he really qualify to be PM? I thought you had to be Canuck!'

    I say Harper is a patriot for getting the message out while the MSM thumbs its nose at its responsibilities.
  412. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: ooooooopps......
    The usual ''Talking points'' are not coming as fast as usual from the CPC ''My Campaign''....

    So sorry, but this is a long weekend and the talking point providers are up in the Muskokas opening up their cottages or perhaps up in Mont Tremblant playing golf...

    Do not worry, there's one of the providers working overtime and tring to translate from Cyberpresse to see what the attack ads are doing in Quebec.... Sorry, the attack ads against Iggy are helping the Bloc big time....truly a ''gift from Heaven''....

    =- - = 01313
  413. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Leslie Malcolm:-- I believe that you have both misread Mr. Murphy's column and these threads. Very few can complain about so-called attack ads, since all parties have indulged in them, but only the Conservatives have repeatedly and officially taken to the airways outside of an election campaign. These particular ads ask fair (if, in my mind, stupid) questions in a reasonable way. The issue many of us have is that Mr. Harper can't seem to respect the mandate Canadians have given him: minority power. He rankles at the democratic limitations he feels have been imposed upon him. As he rattles those chains OUTSIDE of the writ, and as he salivates about a majority while refusing to govern, he appears increasingly childish, intemperate, and unworthy.

    If Mr. Ignatieff really wanted to be an American (or a Brit), he would have applied for citizenship and would have, undoubtedly, been quickly granted it. He didn't.

    NeoTheo:-- The other challenge facing former PCs in retaking their party is that a whopping number of incumbents are being protected from any challenge at the nomination level.
  414. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: WOW!!
    Mr. Duceppe and the Bloc are grinning like Cheschire cats after the Harper attack ads against Mr Ignatieff.

    The RovianGuru imported from south of the border has no clue and the attack ads, paid for by the Harper War Chest, are helping Mr. Duceppe and the Bloc!!

    Early yesterday morning, there was a post by R. Carriere who warned that this might happen... There are now hundreds of comments on the subject but as usual, it seems that R. Carriere was very astute.

    -=
  415. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: L. B.:-- If Mr. Harper can't have Quebec, he wants to make sure that no other federalist party may. Mr. Harper's obsessions know no bounds. By the way, I am sure that you noticed that someone, presumably in the CPC, leaked the talking-points for this week?
  416. garlick toast from Canada writes: The message in a nutshell, ''you are not a Canadian citizen if you don't support the Harper/cons.''
  417. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: L. B.:-- If Mr. Harper can't have Quebec, he wants to make sure that no other federalist party may. Mr. Harper's obsessions know no bounds. By the way, I am sure that you noticed that someone, presumably in the CPC, leaked the talking-points for this week?
    _____________________________

    You're absolutely right, diane marie, about Mr. Harper's obsessions.

    As far as the talking points are concerned, some true blue Tory supporters of Mulroney are so disgusted that they are leaking the talking points, preferably in the french-language blogs (LOL! knowing they won't be caught!!)

    -=
  418. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: garlick toast:-- And, if your smart, worldly, ambitious, accomplished, and energetic, you can't possibly be a real Canadian.
  419. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Cripes. You're, not your. Also, to be a 'real' Canadian, one must be fearful. Fearful of setting forth, of having a passport, of speaking with an 'international' accent...
  420. c n from Smithers, Canada writes: Two wrongs do not make a right. This was pounded into my head as a child. Yes the Liberals have indulged as Harper's government is now doing. The only justification that seems to keep cropping up in this thread. The ads are irrelevant to the immediate problems facing our standing minority government. Harper's behaviour upon presenting his partisan budget in the face of worldwide financial meltdown has caused many Canadians to doubt his leadership. This is based on fact not personal political leanings and is entirely justified. We want leadership not the sort of garbage we are seeing like this ad campaign. This country does not need or want another election right now. We want the parties working together as they said they would to get this country moving in the right direction again. All you hard core Harperites please come up with a better reason for this present behaviour, tit for tat does not really cut it given our present circumstances. I would appreciate some honest dialogue here. As my mother often said if he jumped off a cliff would you. This generally in response to my excuse that all my freinds were doing it and that is why I followed suit. My mother was showing leadership, something we desperately need right now, not a bunch of partisan political garbage.
  421. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Mr. Ignatieff speaks both English and French with an ''International accent''. He does not speak the Queen's English, he does not speak so-called Parisian French. He speaks both English and French fluently, with an easy ''International accent'' the same as our Quebec Premier and most educated Quebecers, a very neutral ''International accent'' which is highly appreciated when one travels in Europe, Asia, Australia.

    According to some rabid Reform-Alliance comments in recent weeks on our Globe and Mail, there's something wrong with being smart enough to teach at both Oxford and Harvard.... What is wrong with you people... Are you insanely jealous of Michael Ignatieff?? If you're not green with jealousy, what is your problem?? Never mind...

    Time for cocktails before a fine Alberta roast beef dinner.

    Cheers!
  422. Clark Kentt from a loyal , democratic, Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes::: If Mr. Harper can't have Quebec, he wants to make sure that no other federalist party may.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    Sorry to disappoint you dm .. but the strategy is to shake Quebec federalists back to the reality that faux-Canadian counterfeit leader Ignatieff is NOT worthy to be Canada's prime minister ... and their only loyal options are to vote Conservative or NDP ... the truly Canadian political parties led by deserving Canadian leaders ... not some interloping USian Bushbot supporter openly and proudly advocating torture, assassination, denial of rights and even preemptive war ... none of which are Canadian Values.

    Of course the Liberal strategy is to demonize all-Canadian Stephen Harper so that lowly devious Ignatieff starts to look good ... but you know you will fail after Canadians are provided with these 'truth' attack ads that will reveal Iggy's mendacity.
  423. Plus 8 from Canada writes:
    Mike Sharp makes the editorial's point for us. Sharp is a chip off the Harperite block.

    We hear nothing from him on policies, programs and positions of the Conservatives, only personal attacks on anyone who is in Harper's way. The opposition could have arch-angels as leaders and Sharp would tell us pass a law againts halos.

    Harper's record shows why. It is not uplifting... though consistent in one area..divisiveness. He has grown from his idea to wall off Alberta He now splits East and West, French and English, Canada and Europe, Canada and Africa, Canada from Russia and more to come.

    He has broken campaign promises, suspended our democracy, stacked the Senate, presided over the loss of more jobs in a shorter period than we have seen in our history a century and taken us from a 14 billion surplus to a 60 billion deficit in two years.

    As it does for most Canadians, Harper politics and electioneering deeply offend me. It is hate-mongering, pure and simple. This is not how I want my country to be.

    Read Sharp, read Harper.

    end
  424. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: If Mr. Harper is going to get all snotty about Mr. Ignatieff's International French (aka Radio Canada French), then how does he think Newfoundlanders should feel about his own relatively dialect-free mid-Atlantic English? It is laughable.
  425. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Diane Marie: with respect, I think you misunderstood my point. The CPC has released what the Libs & the MSM (if not you) are calling attack ads. In my view, attack ads are much more viscious than these pre-election soft balls the CPC is throwing out there. The point is to educate Canadians about Iggy, not question his parentage or his IQ or his personal habits. (That comes later!!!)

    His US background, for example, is info for the masses that neither he, nor the MSM, are providing. (Wonder why the MSM is mute? Might it have something to do with all the perceived insults from Harper? Awww, I guess their feelings have been hurt.)

    Harper is as Canadian as maple syrup, grew up in my neighbourhood in Toronto, was an Ontario Scholar in High School, went to university in your town & has adopted the west as home. Indeed I've never had a friend move back east of the Rockies once having fallen in love with Western Canada, not to mention a comely Western lass like Laureen.

    I know that Libs & Dippers ascribe all manner of nefarious motivations, nasty manners and 'hidden agendas' to Harper & the CPC, but ask me what I thought of Trudeau (NEP) or Chretien (Shawinigate and Adscam).
  426. garlick toast from Canada writes: So, now Harper is warning Quebec federalists about the dangers of Iggyism. What then was he doing when he courted Mario Dumont? Not playing divisiveness by any chance. No, he would never do that.
    Poor Gilles Duceppe. He wants to retire but Harper keeps handing him victory on a silver platter.
  427. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Leslie Malcolm:-- The MSM has published lengthy profiles of Mr. Ignatieff detailing his life from childhood. He, himself, has offered a good deal of published ersonal and family biography for over twenty years. There has been no muting or hiding of the information. Indeed, we know far more about Mr. Ignatieff than we do about Mr. Harper.

    If, however, you mean that a pejorative LABEL has not been applied to Mr. Ignatieff and that it is the CPC's responsibility to so label him, well that is your partisan argument. You may well refer to Mr. Harper as 'as Canadian as maple syrup', but that is your label - it's certainly not one I'd apply to him. Nevertheless, I wonder how Conservatives think that they are going to prevail with Canadians by getting into divisive discussions about acceptable degrees of Canadian-ness or whether someone sufficiently exudes the scent of maple syrup. Canadian geography lesson: Calgary is east of the Rockies, as is most of Alberta.
  428. garlick toast from Canada writes: Harper is as Canadian as a composite hockey stick.
  429. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: DM: Your literal parsing of my prose to provide me with a geography lesson misses the point (please grant me some poetic license). The Rockies are a symbol of Westerness to those of us condemned to life in Central & Eastern Canada. That was my message. In my youth, many easterners were seduced by the charms of Vancouver & Victoria, which, last time I checked, were well west of the Rockies. If you prefer to stick to your literal interpretation of my allegory, then you can at least credit me with a superior knowledge of this element of Canada's geography to that exhibited recently by the GG.

    I don't doubt for a moment that you've read lots about Iggy in the MSM and that you can't find a paragraph about Stephen Harper. That's my point.

    However, I'll guarantee that the hoi polloi haven't read the truth about Iggy, if included in the puffery, hidden in the Op-ed pages of major Canadian newspapers. By this I mean the critical info (not perjorative stuff: that's the viewer's call) that will show up in a couple of sound bites in a CPC TV ad.

    'Michael Ignatieff: Just visiting.'

  430. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Sassy, off the bench, to hit the walk-off home run!!
  431. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Leslie Malcolm:-- Mr. Ignatieff has received no more coverage than Mr. Harper did when he was emerging on the federal scene. Mr. Harper is, so to speak, old news - and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. What is there to say about Mr. Harper that hasn't been said except to cover his comings and goings as Prime Minister? I really can't quite grasp what you're complaining about. On one hand, you suggest that the MSM is not 'covering' Mr. Ignatieff, and then you admit that you're not surprised that I've read 'lots' about Mr. Ignatieff in the same MSM. You're contradicting yourself and all within the space of two posts.
  432. Dan Laurin from Windsor, Canada writes: Elections Canada must ensure the cost of these ads goes against the Cons amount allowed in the next election. This and the legislation to stop non - election time Electioneering presented by the Ndp will crush the ReformoCons.
  433. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: okanagan:-- Well, technically, it means something akin to 'committee', but I agree that it's more usually meant in the military dictatorship sense. I think that our friend Clark Kentt just liked the frisson it gave his post ;-).
  434. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Diane Marie: Puleeese, don't be so literal.

    Once you've seen the current ad I think you will agree that the US video tape of Iggy proclaiming his Americanism was never destined to be shown by Jane Taber on CTV Question Period, or the text of the tape in this fine journal. And certainly not in the Liberal Daily Bugle (aka, Toronto Star).

    Just as Iggy got his new job through a Coronation (smart move by the LPC, avoiding any messy voting or grass roots involvement), the MSM is giving him the kid gloves treatment. Sugar wouldn't melt in his mouth. The Iggy press photos show an unmistakable halo in an aura above his smiling visage. No need to waste a roll of film (or the current digital equivalent) to be sure to catch Iggy in an unnecesary grouchy moment, unlike the approach to Harper pics.

    I think you catch my drift.
  435. bobby dy from Canada writes: The bottom line is that Harper has uttered more anti-Canadian pro-Republican America nonsense than anyone on the Canadian political scene right now. When will the media hold Harper to account for his past musings on Canadian inadequacies and his admiration for some of the least desirable aspects of America?
  436. Colleen McIntosh from Ottawa, Canada writes: Hello Leslie Malcolm...great post...well said!!! Have to agree with Sassie Lassie, as well...saw some of the ads...they should be called public service announcements...they certainly don't qualify as attack ads.

    Attack ads are like...Canadian Soldiers with guns, in our streets...remember those?

    Anyway...if Liberal Leader is that fragile he will never survive in Canadian Politics. Canadians could start a tissue fund, for him...just in case! Donations gratefully accepted at any media outlet.
  437. Roop Misir from Toronto, Canada writes: No matter Iggy spend most of his working years abroad, and come here to spend his golden years in politics, this is perhaps his way of serving his (our) country. What is the best way to serve this country?

    Is Iggy less Canadian than others who acquire a Canadian passport after only few years of residency--and then chose to live overseas?

    Shame! Shame!!
  438. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Leslie Malcolm:-- I've participated on these threads for quite a while, but certainly not as long as some of the 'veterans' (L. B. Murray and R. Carriere, for example). One thing that I have noticed is that some posters start out in reasonable fashion, but quite quickly descend into partisan folderol. You have done so in almost record time - it has taken you just three or four posts.

    You made an assertion - several, in fact. I offered rebuttals. You can't or won't refute any of my rebuttals so you chastise me (twice) for being 'literal'. I am confused - are we supposed to be having this conversation in fantasy land, or is 'literal' just too much for you to handle?

    Colleen:-- Public Service Announcement Alert: We don't remember those guns-in-the-streets ads 'literally' because they didn't air. The terrible, left-leaning MSM filled us in on the ads that might have aired had they not been (wisely) pulled. Shame, shame on the left-leaning MSM. BUT, even if they had aired, they would have been a somewhat desperate gambit DURING an election. We are LITERALLY not in an election.
  439. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Bobby Dy says, 'Harper has uttered more anti-Canadian.....' etc, etc.

    Bobby, buddy, name half a dozen. They have to be real. Can't just make them up if you want to win the prize. The prize is a free pass to the next CPC national convention. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the hotel & air fare. We're in a recession.
  440. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Leslie Malcolm:-- In retrospect, I ought to have said that I don't claim to be non-partisan. However, there are (if you're an elitist), some debate conventions. One is that if you make an assertion, which is then countered, it's really quite lame to sink to 'Puleeese, don't be so literal'. It's a bad way to start if you want 'Leslie Malcolm' to mean something on here. In my opinion, of course.
  441. Clark Kentt from a democratic conservative, Canada writes: okanagan pakman from Canada writes::: clark kentt obviously has no idea what 'junta' means....

    diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes::: okanagan:-- Well, technically, it means something akin to 'committee', but I agree that it's more usually meant in the military dictatorship sense. I think that our friend Clark Kentt just liked the frisson it gave his post.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Checked my Websters for 'junta' .....

    Junta (noun) --- a group of persons controlling a government especially after a revolutionary seizure of power, also; faction, cabal, clique, camarilla, party, set, ring, gang, league, confederacy, coterie, ingroup, inner circle, camp, pack, council, crew, combination, assembly, schism, convocation.

    e.g. The Liberals, NDP and BQ signed an Accord to form a Coalition Junta for the purpose of seizing control of the legally constituted Canadian federal government all without a mandate from the electorate, by convincing the GG to hand over power to the Junta and creating a revolutionary takeover of the Canadian government.

    Coalition Junta ... conceived by Jack Layton only hours after the last election results ... contacted Gilles Duceppe and convinced him to support a Liberal-NDP junta government after joining them to vote no confidence in the strengthened Harper minority government. Now wouldn't that have been a tasteful situation for Canadians to digest after having just re-elected another Harper minority government .... and now we hear about the possibility of reinstating that Coalition Junta Accord which still stands as a signed and sealed document only needing ratification by the original parties, but agreeing that Ignatieff replaces Dion as the leader of the Liberal party and hence the one to be Canada's Junta prime minister ....!!!!!!
  442. Harry Smothers from Valga, Estonia writes: bobby dy from Canada writes: '... When will the media hold Harper to account for his past musings on Canadian inadequacies and his admiration for some of the least desirable aspects of America? ' ******** 'Firewalls' and 'northern European welfare states' and 'conservatism's guiding light', and Sheila Copps' latest, 'he's never been to Europe': It seems to me that Canadians have pronounced on all of Harper's shortcomings, consistently, by giving him more support each time that they have been asked. Did you ever think that it is precisely because Liberals and some in the media keep harping on those stale themes that Canadians tune out what they are saying? Has there ever been a prime minister who's had so much success with so little support from the media? Liberals first have to stop Harper's 'slow and steady wins the race' momentum before they can gain any momnetum of their own. That will take time, energy and money. There are no short-cuts. Time is not on Ignatieff's side. Energy? If Ruby Dhalla can suck the oxygen out of a room, people like Chretien, Kinsella, Copps etc. will keep Liberals stuck in the past, zapping the possibility of any youthful energy ever growing. Money? The spin from the Liberal war room is that the new ads by the Conservatives are helping fundraising. Yeah, right. Obama's fundraising software? Pfft. Face it, without Jacques Corriveau and Consortium Jean LaFleur et al, coupled with access to a few well-heeled investors, Liberal fundraising has a long, long way to go to be competitive.
  443. siren call from Canada writes: How on earth (this one) has Harper suffered at the hands of the media?

    Last election Harper was endorsed by every paper in the country, except the Toronto Star. It goes without saying that he would be endorsed by The National Post -- a paper started by Conrad Black specifically to promote a conservative view in Canada.

    Goes without saying for the Sun chain too, who are run by Quebecor and who have on their Board, one Brian Mulroney.

    Maclean's ditto and connected with Global TV.

    The Globe and Mail also run CTV news, one show being Mike Duffy's 'political' show from the house of commons and various shows on which Pamela Wallin moderated. Bot Wallin and Duffy were given Senate seats from Harper.

    Really - Harper watched Bush declaim the media as 'left wing' and took that up for himself. It provides wonderful camouflage when ANY story suggests Harper's 'governing' might be less than wonderful.

    You're repeating lie.
    Not surprisingly.
  444. Colleen McIntosh from Ottawa, Canada writes: Hello Neo/Theo or whatever your name really is...lolololol....is that the best you can come up???

    Thanks for the honour roll nomination...appreciate it! Am guessing my opinions have hit a raw nerve or two...GOOD!!!
  445. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Roop, my friend. In my opinion, each of your examples, a/ Iggy, and b/ the Canadian who acquired a passport and lives overseas, is less Canadian than the other.

    Colleen: Sassy may be the clutch hitter off the bench but you are the closer, pitching to protect the win. Your remembering of the 'Canadian Army in the steets of Canada', a classic (shoulda won a Genie), was key to the point. It puts the powder puff qualities of the 'Iggy the American' CPC video into context.

    Roop, for example, seems to think Iggy's little 34 year out-of-town sojourn enhances his PM qualifications. Jeez, maybe there's one of Roop's passport buddies who's been visiting elsewhere for, say 45 years. I'll bet he, or she, would really make a great PM for Canada.
  446. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Neo/Theo:-- Yikes. I was worried that I'd be on the 'list'.
  447. siren call from Canada writes: Harper DID pick an out and out fight with the parliamentary press gallery.

    The press gallery are the cream of the journalistic crop (not pundits). The gallery knows more about how parliament is supposed to work than 9/10 of Harper's 'conservatives' and more of his Reform/Alliance imbeciles.

    It was an act of mercy for his half wit 'cabinet' and 'caucus' to keep sharper brains away from them.

    The press gallery is also one of Canada's institutions balancing the fifth estate and French/English relations within Canada and they were necessarily attacked by Harper for performing that function as well.
  448. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: siren call:-- What is even more perplexing, in my view, is how this line of argument/appeal (Canadian-ness) can possibly bear fruit. Harry Smothers, apparently, thinks that the youth of this nation will be turned on by suppositions about who is more 'Canadian' than whom. This strategy is one designed to appeal to fearful, old farts.
  449. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Where is the superb Harold K these days?
  450. siren call from Canada writes: Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes:
    Colleen: Sassy may be the clutch hitter off the bench but you are the closer, pitching to protect the win.
    .......................

    I am outraged.

    OUTRAGED!

    How dare you use an American sport like baseball for your metaphors.

    You un-Canadian Yankee doo Little.

    Hockey is the sport of metaphors in THIS country Harper hanger on.
  451. siren call from Canada writes: Phenomenal memory problems seem to plague the Harper crew re. soldiers in the streets

    1) the Libs never ran the ads, the Harper crew took them off the Liberal Party's web site. News organizations (anti-Harper, of course) were only too happy to run them constantly.

    2)the ads were conceived when an election was actually underway>

    3) it was Harper's policy to put soldiers in large urban areas on the pretense of soldiers being first responders to flood, fire, ice storms, etc.

    Harper changed the policy because:

    a) it was unrealistic economically -- the cost of buying large tracts of land to be used as bases in major urban centres like Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto was prohibitive, even for a man with as little knowledge of how to budget as Harper.

    b) it was a fallacious plan given that soldiers are not first responders in times of civilian emergency. Yes, soldiers called in by the government help first responders like police, fire fighters, emergency medical response teams, etc. but they are not first responders.

    c) Harper was facing criticism that he was aping the American model wherein almost no senator or governor can oppose any military spending given that their constituents are partly military base personnel.

    The Harperites muted the controversy by claiming to be outraged on behalf of Canada's military. Thereby deftly turning an attack on Harper's policy into a supposed attack on CF. Clever, but no less manipulated than the 'attack'. 'kay?
  452. little bowpeep from Start Alberta End, Canada writes: I'd rather have an educated person who has worked in various parts of the world, than firewall Steve.
  453. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Leslie:-- There are no published qualifications for PM. History lesson, though I'm certain that the excellent poster Bob Beal would do a better job: The office of PM is not part of/described in Canada's constitution. The job, such as it is, is modelled after the British example, which was fully understood by 1867. However, the British job of PM was not described in the British Constitution until 1905, THEREFORE, our/the Constitution Act of 1867 does not include a job description for our Prime Minister. Executive authority, of course, rests with the Crown in the person of our G-G.

    Our Prime Minister is, so to speak, a convention (agreed-upon habit). Our Prime Minister emerges from the leadership of the political party which receives the most number of seats in an election. THEREFORE, Leslie, each Canadian votes for his or her individual MP with a view - undoubtedly - of who might (by virtue of party leadership) become PM. Matters of qualification are already, to a point, determined by political parties, but - of course - each voter weighs suitability based on his or her own idea of 'qualifications'. And that, really, is what these ads are about. Mr. Harper is trying to advance his own conception of qualification.
  454. Colleen McIntosh from Ottawa, Canada writes: Hello Leslie...In terms of attack ads...gotta admit, they (the ads in question) are pretty mild, to say the least. Judging by the quality/quantity of 'attack' posts that regularly appear on this Forum, the Conservative Ads are very tame, indeed.

    Too bad really, on my second place position on Neo/Theo's Honour Roll Nomination List...thought I had done better than that...bummer. You, lucky girl...you won top spot...boy, you must have really, really impressed him/her. Always amazes me, when my little old opinion is so very threatening to complete strangers...especially when they don't have the strength of their own convictions...I mean, really is that the best he/she could come up with...lololol...Neo/Theo...blah, blah, blah.

    Congrat's...looking forward to seeing/reading more of your posts on this forum. Keep up the good work!

    Cheers :)))
  455. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Siren: This is part of Harper's hidden agenda. He really likes hockey more, as you probably know, but Obama is a baseball fan & so was Geo. Bush. (They know that Canada broke baseball's colour barrier when Jackie Robinson played for the Montreal Royals. And they know that Babe Ruth hit his first, professional home run at the ballpark on Hanlan's Island, Toronto while playing for a AAA team. And, in a bi-partisan gesture, Obama knows that George W. used to be a part owner of the Texas Rangers Ball Club.)

    So you see, Harper knows more than just GDP and ABCP and derivatives and economic stuff. But by getting Cons like me to use baseball analogies, it ultimately chips away at 'Buy American'.

    You see how politics works? Now Iggy ought to have an inside track here as a Boston Red Sox fan. (he got to use the Harvard luxury box at Fenway Park. I'll bet he didn't brag about that to his Liberal constituents when they took him for beers to the Grey Goose Tavern in his Lakeshore South riding.)
  456. siren call from Canada writes: Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Siren: This is part of Harper's hidden agenda.
    ....................

    Yes, well.

    That post is almost as sensible and relevant as your previous posts.

    So how about those media players Wallin and Duffy warming the benches of the Senate?
  457. Leslie Malcolm from Mississauga, Canada writes: Siren: Libs ought to be very happy that Wallin & Duffy are out of the limelight. No problem in the Upper Chamber. Libs have a virtual monopoly there.

    Haven't heard a peep outta either Pam or Duf since they got their pension tickets punched.
  458. MICHAEL T from Canada writes: Don't like Iggy. His eyebrows meet in the centre. Obviously can't be trusted.
  459. stand up mimi from Canada writes: Couldn't agree more, Rex.

    What makes me laugh about these ads is that until now I had no idea Ignatieff had been on the cover of the British GQ. He actually looked kind of hot. That actually makes him seem more interesting. Harper's attack ad writers have no idea what they're doing.
  460. willie719 d from Canada writes: We do want someone who has stayed home Rex. Not someone who decides, hey, what else does the world offer me? 'I know, I was once a Canadian, and thanks to the liberal party making dual citizenship a joke (think lebanon), I'll parachute back into Canada and run as PM. I'll boot aside a prominent african-american woman (don't worry, she'll be amply rewarded), be installed as leader with no democratic process for the common man in the liberal party (can we say dictator-nah, that's reserved for Harper), and voila, I'm PM. Especially with 'journalists' like Rex, the CBC and The Star supporting me, I'll be a shoo in to win. Now comes along that big meanie, throwing sand in faces all over Canada, what's his name? Oh yeah, Harper. Geez, won't this bully grow up and realize the liberals are the natural dictatorship in Canada and not his party? Won't he get with the plan all ready? How is it that the simpleton's of this country have given Harper more money than our party? After all, when WE were in power (oh, I forgot, I haven't lived in Canada for 35 years), we put Canada close to $600 Billion in debt paying off all those union people, and buying off all those multinational corporations, changing tax codes so they could stash their money off shore without paying Canadian taxes, and lastly, the media barons. Didn't we give them taxpayer funded government contracts so that in return we could meet with the editorial boards of them routinely, so they could kiss our butts? Of course we did. (Wasn't it funny how the liberal media gave us the title of the best governors of the country's finances?). After all, we stole the idea of paying down deficits from the Reform party. But don't tell anyone. What a jerk that Harper is. Imagine, paying down the debt by $40 billion. The trick is, pay off the deficit, get all the glory, then balloon the debt. Then you buy off all of your suckers (oh sorry, I mean supporters). But don't worry, power will be mine. Got to call Rex now and tell him.'
  461. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: My family immigrated to Alberta in the late 1800's from the US; the US branch immigrated to the US from Sweden and Norway. I spent a good portion of this decade working in London and Dubai but came back to the United States of Alberta after George W's axis of evil diatribe......was seriously considering a contract overseas up until the latest Lesser Canadian campaign by Stevo and Co.
    I am so confused....I thought we were living in a multi polar Asiacentric era????
  462. Steve I'm Not an Alberta Redneck from Calgary, Canada writes: Attack ads do work. The are essential to solidify the right wing trash vote. Racists, fundamentalist imbeciles, gun nuts and other ignorant scum need something to set the mixed up nonsense that is swirling through their brains. Well designed attack ads do this.

    Decades of right wing incompetence, grossly inconsistent policies and blatant giveaways to the rich - at THEIR expense, do not sway them from their 'talking points' - the BS they've been conditioned to spew.

    One third of the US electorate fall into this zombie category.
  463. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: willie 719d:-- Mr. Ignatieff would not be viola! PM until sufficient numbers of Liberal MPs WERE elected. Lots of democracy in that, wouldn't you say? As for the Liberal Party's supposed natural dictatorship, that, too, requires voters in sufficient number. No lack of democracy in that, either. Now, as for that money thing, we don't elect governments by money, we elect them by votes. Yes, the money is useful if not even necessary, but there's still the need for democracy. Ah, yes, the big MSM conspiracy. The problem, willie, is that all that money and butt-kissing resulted in most of the newspapers of the land endorsing Mr. Harper, not the butt-kissing Liberals. Not that newspapers vote; citizens do.

    Now, as for the matter of fiscal governance, there's simply the matter than three and a bit years ago, Mr. Harper enjoyed a $14 billion surplus. Now, thanks to his mismanagement, we're heading for deficit. It doesn't matter where a good idea comes from, willie, it matters who has the political will to implement it. Mr. Harper, a so-called conservative, talked about small government, but indulged in record spending. He did not display a commitment to his supposed principles.
  464. Wave Length from Toronto, Canada writes: Bless Canada.

    The name of Harper's god is Venom.
  465. Haligon Nova Scotia from Canada writes: Rex has got it right...In fact he's dead on.

    Need I say more?
  466. Haligon Nova Scotia from Canada writes: Diane Marie from Calgary: Perhaps you were not aware that a 'viola' is a musical instrument.
  467. Ken Cunningham from Canada writes: This talk of Ignatieff being more American then Canadian is funny coming from supporters of Harper.

    Lets not forget that Harper was President of the The National Citizens Coalition, an organization thats main tenants seem to hold more in common with (and deep admiration for) the far right of the American Republican Party and that's purpose in forming, as far as I understand it, was to oppose health care in this country.

    When asked how he felt about stepping down as MP in order to become Vice-President (and eventually President 1998-2001) of the National Citizens Coalition (NCC), Harper replied: 'Frankly, I'm looking forward to being in a position where I can speak much more independently than I'm able as a Member of Parliament.'

    It is interesting to go back at look at some of the things he said during this period when he felt he could speak from his heart.

    One example can be found below.
    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051213/elxnharperspeechtext051214/20051214/
  468. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: great post Ken
  469. garlick toast from Canada writes: Let's face it, the CPC was tainted at birth, founded on a lie in writing.They don't have an agenda, they have a hit list. All in all, a great party for fans of Pyrrhic victories.
  470. Plus 8 from Canada writes:

    Leslie writes well..but whether one twists facts eloquently or not, it is still crap.

    Make it simply for us Leslie. Tell us how our lot has improved under the Harper regime.

    What I see is that Harper removed Income Trusts from pensioners after telling them to invest in them. He forced a pathetic loss on the wood industry in their soft wood lumber battle. He created a precedent for parliamentary closure by minority governments afraid to face a Commons vote. He stacked and will continue to stack the Senate with sycophants ready to do his bidding. He took us (in two years) from a 14 billion surplus to a 60 billion annual national deficits which will take us a decade to crawl out from under.

    He has divided East and West, English and French. He has made us a joke in the international theater.

    Worst of all, he has despoiled Eden with political tactics that are contemptible and divisive. He is sacrificing any hope of harmony for political advantage or spite. He is Americanizing us...importing the very worst of that country for us to feed on.

    My family is here for more than two hundred years. Only French Canadians can claim more. Harper has made me feel less happy being a Canadian than any time in a very long life. To my mind, he is the antithesis of a Canadian. If his sort is all we can produce..we are better off importing from elsewhere.

    So tell us the good things he has done for all of us..'cause his record stinks from this chair. Take your time. Itemize it carefully as I am eager to learn from one who writes so well and attacks so easily.

    end
  471. Renee Olson from Edmonton, Canada writes: Spot on Plus 8!
  472. Clark Kentt from Canada writes: Plus 8 .... If everything you say about Harper is true then he is a criminal and a traitor to Canada. Unfortunately, Canadians did not see it your way because they re-elected him with a strengthened mandate. Why did that happen?

    If everything you say about Harper is true, then it is incumbent on Ignatieff, Layton and Duceppe to defeat the failed Harper government and have another election asap by this June.

    If the opposition parties fail to defeat the Harper government this Spring, they will be subjecting Canadians to the horrors of this failed government. I, and I assume you, hope to have another election by this June so that Canadians can elect a beneficent government. Any delay will subject Canadians to great anguish and would be unconscionable.

    Ignatieff!.. Layton!.. Duceppe!.. VOTE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE HARPER GOVERNMENT... ELECTION NOW !!!
  473. Ken Cunningham from Toronto, Canada writes: Hey Renee, love your use of 'United States of Alberta'. A clear a summation of why I'm an expat Albertian. Made me chuckle and cry at the same time.
  474. Clark Kentt from Moronto, Morontario, Canada writes: garlick toast from Canada writes::: Let's face it, the CPC was tainted at birth, founded on a lie in writing.They don't have an agenda, they have a hit list. All in all, a great party for fans of Pyrrhic victories.
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    Sort of like the birth of Canada ... centred on Quebec and Ontario ... or more specifically, Montreal and Toronto ... where the remnants of the defunct Liberal party are still beloved. Pity ...
  475. Dan Laurin from Windsor, Canada writes: Borowing a post from Jason Roy to show why the Liberals know how to be fiscally responsible and the Conservatives only know how to spend. http://www.fin.gc.ca/afr-rfa/2000/frt001-eng.asp Table 1 1984/85 Fiscal year The last LPC budget before Mulroney- deficit was 38,437,000,000 (16,044,000,000 operating deficit plus 22,393,000,000 interest on the previous public debt of 169,549,000,000) brought the then federal public debt to 207,986,000,000. 1985/86 fiscal year (Mulroney government's first full budget) deficit comes in at 34,595,000,000 which marks a few years of deficit reduction, falling to 28,773,000,000 (88/89) before starting a climb to the 42,012,000,000 deficit of 93/94 which would bring the debt to 508,210,000,000. The first three years of LPC government would see deficits/debt of 37,462,000,000/ 545,672,000,000 (94/95); 28,617,000,000/574,289,000,000 (95/96) and 8,897,000,000 583,186,000,000 (96/97) before the first of 8 surpluses under FM Paul Martin. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080924.WBSteele20080924123611/WBStory/WBSteele Enough debt to go around Andrew Steele, September 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM EDT I really must protest Licia Corbella's revisionist history in the Calgary Herald. Corbella cites the high deficits that Brian Mulroney inherited, but ignores the ones Mulroney passed on because they were operating deficits. In other words,' she writes, 'were it not for the interest Canada had to pay on the gargantuan debt the Liberals had solely created to that point, Mulroney would have been running a surplus. Solely created? Data from the 1994 budget rather nicely illustrates the increase in debt as a percentage of GDP. It rises from just under 40% in 1984 to almost 70% in 1993. This was around the time the Wall Street Journal was calling Canada a basketcase. Now, who was prime minister while the debt was going from 40% to 70%? That would be Brian Mulroney.
  476. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Haligon:-- Thanks for making me laugh at my own typo. I hadn't noticed. Viola!
  477. DULCIE CONRAD from Halifax, Canada writes: JUST A GRUNT IN HALIFAX - When Harper once told then PM Paul Martin he was 'soft on child pornography' and his Tory side kick Peter MccKay referred to his former girl friend as a dog - that said it all for me about the reformists among us. ( OOPS, that should read Tory Pig Dogs as Frank Magazine likes to call them).
    Some of your readers keep stating that CBC picks on Harper. Give me a break - ATV's Mike Duffy lost his credibility as a news man long before he was named to the Senate. Maybe Harper will appoint ATV's Lloyd Robinson next so he can join ATV's Pamala Walling on the gravy train. I hope the Globe and Mail and especially Rex will one day praise Stevie Cameron for her journalistic skills in making an effort to root out the rot in the AirBus affair. But yhat maybe too much to hope for. Regards.
  478. Clark Kentt from Everywhere, Canada writes: In any next federal election, Liberal candidates will not even associate themselves with Ignatieff but rather push the Liberal brand and themselves. Ignatieff, like Dion, will be like the 'kiss of death' to Liberal candidates because he will be defined as NOT truly Canadian ... an interloper, a poseur, an incompetent, NOT worthy to be Canada's prime minister.

    Not only does Ignatieff have no credibility as a political leader in Canada, he doesn't even rate as a legitimate Canadian ... only a crass opportunist. That the Liberals would offer him as their best choice for leader and prime minister strains credulity..!!!

    First Martin and then Dion dragged down the Liberal brand, and now foreigner Ignatieff will be the coup de grace come any next election. Iggy is 'strike three' when it comes to the political ball game ... and YER OUT ...!!!!!
  479. Harry Smothers from Valga, Estonia writes: DULCIE CONRAD from Halifax, Canada writes: '... JUST A GRUNT IN HALIFAX - When Harper once told then PM Paul Martin he was 'soft on child pornography' and his Tory side kick Peter MccKay referred to his former girl friend as a dog - that said it all for me ...' ************* It may have said it all for you, but you were obviously hearing what you wanted to hear. From the 2004 Federal Leaders Debate: Harper:'... I will not have legislation limiting a womans right to choose Mr. Martin. I said that but let me go to a case where I would consider using the notwithstanding clause. Let me talk about an example where the notwithstanding clause might be appropriate. Weve had repeated decisions and acts of your government on trying to declare child pornography having artistic merit or public good, court decisions that limit our ability to stop the dissemination of child pornography. If I cant do through ordinary legislation, I will do that to protect the rights of children. ...' Liberals were teasing MacKay in the House about the press interview with his dog in Pictou following Belinda's leaving him and the Conservatives simultaneoulsy for the Liberals, and one of them yelled out 'Hey, Peter, where's your dog?' and he responded 'You got her now.'
  480. Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: Mr Harper is running scared--- He is afraid to say what his plans are so his only option is belittle another elected MP who he thinks is the peoples enemy.
  481. inside view from Canada writes: Mr. Harper has shown excellent economic judgment as an economist and PM, plus has masterfully governed, at times, as if he had a majority. Ignatieff is a tall poppy with stellar academic credentials and sophistication who can push Canadian politics to a higher level, but he has yet to show the vision and grasp of Trudeau as to where Canada should go. I hope that he will. Canadians will benefit from these gifted polticians fighting it out, but I am looking forward to a woman at the helm within 10 years to truly implement the Canadian dream for all, rather than the current 2/3.
  482. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: inside view:-- My guess is that Mr. Ignatieff considers himself to be his own man, not a knock-off of a dead politician. I'm not sure how you can possibly assert that Mr. Harper has shown 'excellent economic judgment as an economist'. The fact remains that in barely 3-1/2 years, Mr. Harper has taken Canada from a $14 billion surplus to deficit spending. The CPC encouraged consumer spending when it was already rampant, gutted the nation's fiscal capacity in the waning days of an economic expansion, and increased government spending to record levels. Mr. Harper has been a flop as an economist. To be fair, he isn't PM to be an economist, but he ought to have listened to some rather than follow his political priorities (vote-buying).
  483. Clark Kentt from Everywhere, Canada writes: Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes::: Mr Harper is running scared--- He is afraid to say what his plans are so his only option is belittle another elected MP who he thinks is the peoples enemy.
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    PM Harper's plans for Canada are currently set out in the last Budget, which incidentally, Ignatieff approved by voting for it.

    The Conservative party is informing Canadians about the worst of Ignatieff because the Liberal-biased MSM avoids and even covers up his past sordid political record.

    When as a Harvard professor of human rights, Ignatieff supported the Bush regime to the hilt with this proclamation:

    'To defeat evil, we may have to traffic in evils : indefinite detention of suspects, coercive interrogations, targeted assassinations, even pre-emptive war.'- Michael Ignatieff, NY Times Mag, 2004

    Surly you don't think these are Canadian Values .. you being a wise 78 y.o. Canadian?!

    Don't you think Canadians should know what Ignatieff stands for since he is now the newly-coronated counterfeit leader of the Liberal party? You may love your Liberals, but you certainly must have doubts about somebody of the likes of Ignatieff as it's leader..!!!
  484. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Clark Kentt:-- Taxpayers were not 'beleaguered'. Employment was at an all time high. Retail sales were through the roof. Consumers were up to their eyeballs in self-imposed consumer debt. If ever there were a time for some governmental restraint, that would have been it. Instead, we had Mr. Harper throwing fuel on the consumer fire. If a surplus is evidence of overtaxation, is a deficit evidence of undertaxation? A government should use whatever fiscal and monetary levers it has at its disposal to COUNTER rather then exacerbate the worst excesses of the business cycle. I've arguing for fiscal conservatism and you counter by saying that I'm repeating Liberal propaganda. You really don't have a clue, Clark. By the way, I note that you haven't been able to counter any of my assertions except to paint me 'liberal'. Fool.
  485. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Clark Kentt:-- So, what you're saying is that when the economy was booming, Mr. Harper 'juiced' it, and when it was showing signs of faltering, he was introducing his Fictional Update (complete with fictitious surplus), engineering an election, AND telling Canadians that if we were going to have a recession, we would already have seen it. Oh, very well, Clark, indulge in revisionist history all you like.

    So, you have just proved your own erroneous and irrational point. If cutting taxes during times of surplus is acceptable, why isn't raising them in times of deficit? Because, Clark, raising taxes when the economy is already tanking would be counter-cyclical. As was cutting taxes in an overheated consumer economy. But, if you wish to argue for borrow-and-spend fiscal conservatism, be my guest. Taxpayers are going to pay for Mr. Harper's majority dream that never happened.
  486. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: For the record, Clark, I'm not speaking of income taxes but of GST cuts.
  487. Mooney Pilot from The Harper Gulag, Canada writes: The sooner we gid rid of the Harper Wehrmacht, the better off Canada will be.
  488. Dwayne Vick from Canada writes: Wether or not anyone likes the way these ads are presented, they do bring to the attention of canadians some pertinant facts regarding Ignatieff and the Lib. party platform.
    How many people knew that Ignatieff was absent from Canada for 34 years.
    How many people knew that Ignatieff was the creator of the "carbon tax" idea and that it is still part of the Lib. party platform and will they bring it in through the back door if elected.
    How many people knew that Ignatieff is on record as saying he will increase taxes if he is elected.
    How many people knew that Ignatieff now has those that were involved in the "ADSCAM' as a part of his team.
    Wether or not you like the message, canadians are entiltled to information about party leaders.
  489. Clark Kentt from Everywhere, Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes::: For the record, Clark, I'm not speaking of income taxes but of GST cuts.
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    Fair enough, diane marie .... and let's assume you are correct in your economic analysis of the governments fiscal and monetary practices .... what are the consequences of your silly musing??

    I submit that all this economic gobbledegook is of little practical consequence to the Canadian electorate, and they will be the final judges of who they want to lead the Canadian economy and government ... economics-trained Harper or, as it is listed in wikipedia for Ignatieff -- Author, Screenwriter, Journalist, Professor, Academic.

    I just want Canadians to decide in whom they have greater trust to lead Canada. As for the GST cuts, Harper was obviously providing Canadians with the elimination of some of the GST as was promised by Chretien 'No GST!!!'.
  490. East of the Rockies West of the rest from Canada writes: Been a month or so since I checked the comments for this rag and wouldn't you know it all the same Lib. whiners are still on here!!!
  491. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: Clark Kentt:-- How nice of you to denigrate the general populace. Your attitude reflects the CPC's Rovian strategies. It matters not whether something is a good or bad thing, just whether one can put it over on the populace (with its assumed general ignorance in mind). How expansive. How progressive. How evolutionary. Mr. Harper's academic achievements are bush-league compared with Mr. Ignatieff's, not that academic achievement is the sine qua non of leadership. Why would work ethic, accomplishment, ambition, curiosity, and going forth from one's Calgary School comfort zone be anything to laud?
  492. Plus 8 from Canada writes: " J M from Canada, Canada writes: I'm not a big fan of attack ads, but Iggy really annoys me with his decades-long absence. He might be qualified to be a British Prime Minister, but certainly not a Canadian one."
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    You must have hated Lester Pearson. There is yet another Liberal leader who spent 17 years out of the country before becoming PM. Disgusting! And he even had a Nobel Peace Prize to prove it.

    Frankly we will never know what YOU would do unless we age you 28 years old, make you 6'2", orefectly tri-lingual, give you a full head of hair and an Oxford professorship and see if you refuse because it would be the "Canadian" thing to do.

    Frankly, the only reason to refuse is that you would miss your mommy. Nothing especially Canadian about that.

    end
  493. Plus 8 from Canada writes:
    I have an idea!

    Everyone who believes themsleves Canadian because of time out of Canada, raise their hands!

    (That will show how successful the Con attack ads are.)

    Alternatively, let's start Harper personal attacks. Why DID he drop out of the UofT so quickly, scurry back home and become a mail clerk? Did he not have the intellectual capacity to handle the load or did he simply miss his mommy?

    end
  494. Michael B from Canada writes: Rex, I will choose your philosophy of hope... maybe Canadians haven't become as petty and small-minded as I thought... maybe they really will interpret these ads as you say.
  495. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Clark Kentt writes: I submit that all this economic gobbledegook is of little practical consequence to the Canadian electorate, and they will be the final judges of who they want to lead the Canadian economy and government ... economics-trained Harper or, as it is listed in wikipedia for Ignatieff -- Author, Screenwriter, Journalist, Professor, Academic.

    An interesting and, unfortunately valid point, given the low levels of voter turn-out lately. However, if as you say, those who do vote have little interest in "economic gobbledegook", why would they care if Mr Harper is an economist or an author of books on hockey, or that Mr Ignatieff isn't?
  496. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes:
    The ADQ tried the same tactic, and where are they now ? The voters in Quebec blew them out of the water.

    I'm sick and tired of this BS. Unlike the last 2 elections voters should turn out and put an end to it. These ads guarantee that a good voter turnout means the end of the Reformative era.

    Don't sit this one out. Get out and vote. The authors of these ads don't want you to bother. They want you to stay home on election day because a low turnout increases the chance of another minority.
  497. The Sentinel from Canada writes: The fake outrage about the CPC ads is really getting to be too much. On what basis are you judging 'correct' or 'fair' political behavior? Where are the Queensbury rules of politics? If you say precedent, I say BS - politics has always been a dirty game (remember the Ides of March?). Quit sniveling already - you sound like whiney teenagers.
  498. The Wight from Canada writes: This is all jealousy.

    Liberal and Conservitive, NDP and Green, BQ and Canadian Heritage Party ... if their kid was given a scholarship to Oxford tomorrow, almost all of them would snap it up in a heartbeat. When that scholarship turned into a PhD at Harvard after graduation, they'd keep on going. When that turned into professorships around the world, they'd keep on going, too.

    Unless Canadians are far, far less intelligent than I give them credit for, Ignatieff's time outside the country is only of concern to the faux patriots, who hide their love of ignorance and stupidity as virtues behind the flag.
  499. Richard Wright from Canada writes: "What separates Harper from the others and why his personal approval ratings are so high among Conservative supporters is because he does not display the arrogance that other PM's have displayed. He does not abuse his authority with everyday Canadians. He appears honest , humble and practical."

    Is this a joke??? He's the most arrogant and controlling PM we've ever had. He abuses his authority every day! His honesty ratings are in the toilet and he has never been humble a day in his life.

    I guess this post was sarcasm and the joke's on me, but man, even as sarcasm this is not even funny.
  500. The Wight from Canada writes: The Sentinel:

    "If you say precedent, I say BS - politics has always been a dirty game (remember the Ides of March?)"

    And, just like predicting the future with the entrails of birds, bribing the gods with a sacrifice of our oxen, slavery in the pursuit of empire and blood sports to the death ... we've kind of grown up.

    Well, most of us.
  501. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes:
    Sentinel:

    This voter's outrage isn't fake.

    I am not alone.

    This time these ads will not work. People are fed up with them and their authors.

    Three on a match.
  502. Richard Wright from Canada writes: What really bugs me about Iggy is that for over 30 years, during the prime of his career, he contributed nothing to this country, avoided a generation's worth of surtaxes on surtaxes, in fact enjoyed life in the low tax haven of America, and paid not a nickel of tax in 'his' true country. He hasn't paid his dues."

    Everything you just said here is completely 100% UNTRUE. Not even close.

    Please do your research and learn about the situation before posting points that have no basis in reality. I mean seriously, what kind of arrogant person rants about someone negatively when they don't even know anything about them and everything they say is totally false? Do some research man. And not just on the CPC website.
  503. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: The Wight writes: Unless Canadians are far, far less intelligent than I give them credit for, Ignatieff's time outside the country is only of concern to the faux patriots, who hide their love of ignorance and stupidity as virtues behind the flag.

    A nice observation. Many people do believe being poor, not too ambitious and having middling intelligence are signs of moral superiority. After all, how do the rich accumulate their fortunes except by lying, cheating and stealing from honest men who know the value of a day's work?

    This is the constituency to which Mr Harper's attack ads correctly speak. The attack against excess intelligence plays on what sometimes seems a primal fear. While we insult someone by casting aspersions on their limited reasoning abilities, few people consider attacking someone for superior intelligence is slanderous. So, while assailing someone who has a degree from a 'snooty' university is fair game, deriding Mr Harper for his less prestigious academic achievements is somehow wrong. He has, apparently, not stepped across the 'too smart for his own good' line.

    And how does one argue against the accusation of being too smart? It is a defenceless charge. Mr Ignatieff cannot deny his academic credentials, his long list of publications or his other successes. He has, in the eyes of some, already proven he is too smart for his own britches.
  504. The Sentinel from Canada writes: The Wight from Canada writes:

    'And, just like predicting the future with the entrails of birds, bribing the gods with a sacrifice of our oxen, slavery in the pursuit of empire and blood sports to the death ... we've kind of grown up.

    Well, most of us.'

    Ah, the smug confidence of the 'knowledgable left' (I am smarter and better than you, Sentinel). So you need something current? How about Clinton playing the race card in the run for the Democratic leadership. What about the LPC 'troops in the streets' ads? Excuse me, but your sanctimony is making me retch.
  505. Peter The Not Quite Great from Canada writes: Bad politics, bad manners, bad decision, bad leader.
  506. The Wight from Canada writes: The Sentinel: _"Ah, the smug confidence of the 'knowledgable left' (I am smarter and better than you, Sentinel)."_ In grade 10 and 11 I was one of the best students in the province of Alberta. I had a 100% year going in grade 11 until my final exam in Biology. I got one wrong, which dropped me to 99% for the year overall. My best friend tore my exam out of my hand and paraded it around the classroom, mocking me for failing to get my perfect year. Of course, the rest of the class joined in. My older brother was in the same school, struggling through grade 12 on the technical stream after moving up from special ed. He failed that year and had to repeat it, which meant he would be in school with me the next year. As you can probably guess, getting stigmatized by a bunch of jealous losers in my class kind of paled next to hearing my older brother bawling through our adjoining wall, calling himself stupid repeatedly and asking God to kill him. Know what I thought of when I heard him? That very same friend who mocked me in class hanging his head over his fence, taunting my brother with "retard, retard, retard" when we were kids. There is a significant portion of the population that are what I call First Rung Fundamentalists. They'll never be anybody or do anything and their sole claim to fame is that they have perfected the balancing act whereby they stand on the people in the muck and consistently clutch at the ankles of the people above them on the ladder, trying to drag them back down. Attack ads are politics for those people - the people like my "friend". I don't care what party the ads come from, they demean us all.
  507. Clark Kentt from Everywhere, Canada writes: Aaaaah ...... the poor Liberal goonies are all in panic mode over the devastating CPC 'truth' attack ads that rips open the shroud that the Liberal-sucking MSM have attempted to camouflage their journalist-professor Iggnatieff. Running around and crying 'no fair' and 'dirty tricks' ... but nowhere do they attack the 'truth' of the ads.

    Iggnatieff is proving to be an even more disastrous leader than Dion, and once it sinks into Canadians that Iggy is a yankee doodle dandy in Canadian beaver skin .... well that will be the demise of Iggy and His Liberal cohorts. Now it's only a matter of time before the BobRae-led left wing of the Liberal party launches their palace coup against faux-Canadian, counterfeit leader Iggnatieff the "we Americans" interloping poseur.

    At least Dion was Canadian enough to tell us what and where he stood on the issues .... not like Iggy hiding under his desk and the corrupt Liberal-sucking MSM not even daring to hold Iggy to account for his sordid past and secretive future ....!!!!

    Iggy is {{{{SCARY}}}} .....!!!!!!
  508. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes:
    Congratulations Clark, on your victory in the Rush Limbaugh look-alike contest.
  509. Guy Smiley from Montreal, Canada writes: Clark seems to be confusing Ignatieff with Harper. Attack ads are pretty desperate. They mean that the attacker has little left to offer. They look mean, petty, and make the Conservatives look like they are being run by 12-year olds.

    The last thing Canadians want is campaign ads when there is no election. The effect of them last time to cause the lowest election turnout in Canadian history. They show how low Canadian politics has gotten under the Conservatives.
  510. Michael Birklein from Calgary, Canada writes: If an intergalactic alien would swoop down and govern our country in a more serious and less petty manner than Mr. Harper... I'm on board. I'm a small business owner that has no patience for a PM that is preoccupied with his own survival over the serious issues that face its citizenry. The attack ads deserve very little critical comment, get on with governing Stephen, or walk the plank. I expect more from the PMO.

    Signed,
    Totally dissatisfied (Calgarian) who is looking forward to the next federal election.

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