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Michael Ignatieff: Arrogant Bastard

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  1. Merkage Now from Canada writes: I'm just waiting for Jacques Six-Pack to emerge. (Not Joe Six-Pack, of course, because the Tories need votes in Quebec.)
  2. Cyrus Ravage from Overtaxed Ontario, Canada writes: Last time Ignatieff was a true Canadian resident the Microwave oven was being introduced... He's no Canadian if you ask me & as such he certainly doesn't deserve to run our country.

    On the other hand we have Stephen Harper, cowardly proroguer of parliament when the going got tough. He lost my respect that day.

    And worst of all is Jack Layton, good grief. He'd have the country bankrupt within 2 years with his ludicrous socialist agenda.

    Nice bunch of choices we've got, huh? Next election I guess I'll just have to trash my ballot!
  3. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Bonehead Harper lost a lot of Canadians when he started wearing a Canadian flag lapel pin INSIDE our borders. Doesn't the twit know that one wears those things when OUTSIDE the country to show that one is Canadian? Perhaps if he'd spent more time learning about his country and fellow countrymen than how to operated a shaft and spent a little less time on his preening and self-promotion, he would be in the same elevated class as Iggy. But apparently, he is doomed to waddle off into the dim recesses of everyone's memory because of his pettiness and mean-spiritedness. Harper is toast, both within his own party (severely diminished to almost a party of 1 - himself) and outside his party (the term "wake" would be more approriate here, I think).

    In the words of another great thinker - "Hasta la vista, baby"
  4. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Aliance supporter) from Canada writes: I'd like to hear Iggy answer ONE question honestly...why did you come back to be PM?
    Is it only us Conservative supporters that question his motives to come back after so many years?
    Why? It can't be for the love of his country, that's obviously not the reason.
    If ever there was an "Hidden agenda" in Ottawa, this is surely it.
  5. Ian Gray from Canada writes: Jacques Six-Pack, good God it has to be at least Jacques Twelve-Pack - 'I am Canadian!'
  6. gar gurr from Canada writes: Ignatieff is a typical academic who is always wanting more salary and tenure for spewing out a lot of left wing propaganda. If he is so worried about the unemployed he can appoint Ruby to handle the portfolio.She knows all about making life uncomfortable for the employed The Liberal party is made up of a bunch of pseudo intellectual snobs who only want the vote of those who they claim they will help.The used the EI fund for years for their own promotion
  7. Helga Ross from Burlington, Canada writes: Excellent political analysis. Ignatieff--my kind of man.
  8. MW 123 from Canada writes: For goodness sake. If all the CPC has against Ignatieff is that he was out of the country doing great things with his life, then Harper has a serious problem.

    I can think of a lot of nasty that goes with Harper, so perhaps we should all vote for the guy whose biggest problem is that he was out of town. Maybe he won't be as big a failure as the guy who never left town.
  9. Al Bore from Canada writes:

    IGGY - The Count of Convenience
  10. MW 123 from Canada writes: BTW, rube Harper got his first passport when he became PM.
  11. Butler Bear from Calgary, AB, Canada writes: Only in this narrow minded backwater nation would people take offense to a man that's worked elsewhere for part of his life. Who cares. It's a global world, people that work & live elsewhere experience things that backwaters from Canada don't.
  12. Joe Smith from Canada writes: Harvard or no Harvard, I'll take the historian / philosopher over the guy who's spent his entire career working for political action groups and political parties.
  13. Andre Carrel from Terrace, Canada writes: What's all this complaining about Ignatieff's stint at Harvard? When a Canadian takes on a position outside the country, be that lecturing at Harvard, playing hockey in New York, or servicing oilfields in Saudi Arabia, does that in any diminish the individual's Canadianity? If so, then a US citizens, or a Brit or a citizens of some people's republic who works in Canada for a few years should logically be granted a status equal to that of a Canadian citizen.
    The Harvard complaint has to be the strangest of all complaints about Ignatieff. Just the idea that a guy good enough to teach at Harvard can't possibly have anything to offer to the country. Strange logic!
  14. john kenyon from Toronto, Canada writes: Why does it matter if Ignatieff spent a considerable amount of time outside of Canada? The assumption that those of us who have remained here for most of our life are far more informed and in touch with this great nation is ludicrous and entirely unfounded. Furthermore what's wrong with being arrogant?
  15. Sheila Baker from Canada writes: Hmmmmmmm. The Conservatives seem to be implying that any Canadian who spent years out of Canada cannot be truly Canadian. Surely a good proportion of Canadians have, like myself, spent years in another country. Does this mean we are less patriotic or deficient as citizens?
  16. Brent Slobodin from Canada writes: So, do the Tories then think that Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretzky aren't Canadians? They too worked out of the country but they never actually came back. What a strange way to think. The Albertans that run the country really need to get out a little more.
  17. Bill W from Canada writes: Cyrus Ravage from Overtaxed Ontario, Canada writes: Last time Ignatieff was a true Canadian resident....

    Cyrus: What is a true Canadian resident? Probably not someone like Gretzky or people who vacation in Florida. Are the true Canadian residents people who don't hold a passport? Ignatieff accepted job offers in other countries. That makes him less Canadian? You're acting like Harper.
  18. Bill W from Canada writes: Right Winger (CON/Reform/Aliance supporter) from Canada writes: I'd like to hear Iggy answer ONE question honestly...why did you come back to be PM?
    Is it only us Conservative supporters that question his motives to come back after so many years?
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    It is only you guys that question his motives because the majority of Canadians 'get it'. All politicians have political motives. Harper had motives to becoming Prime Minister. Brian Mulroney, who wasn't even in politics had motives. It just happened that Ignatieff was working a few hours away at Harvard. What's the big deal? While Ignatieff was teaching people, Harper was trying to build a firewall out west to divide western Canadians. Now he's trying to divide people from who are real Canadians and who are not real Canadians.
  19. Norman Petit from Calgary, Canada writes: The fear coming out of CPC headquarters is palpable.
  20. Stuart Blaber from Oakleaf, Ontario, Canada writes: We elect our leaders on the basis of their promises and their ability to perform in office. Time and time again they defy our wishes and fail us. I don't think that's what democracy is supposed to be about. Guess we, in reallity, don' have a demoicracy. If we do then I wouldn't encourage any other nation to try it. There are much better systems. Vote? Why bother. It's time we took our leaders to task when they don't live up to our requirements. Take Climate change for example.
  21. Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: Regardless of my political leanings I find it assinine that a man who lived outside this country for three decades is legally allowed to run for the PM's chair. We need legislation ensuring only those who have resided in Canada for a period of ten years can run for the position of MP or PM and only Natural born citizens should be allowed to run for PM. The Liberal Party has Balkinized Canada and now they parachute a man into Canada who has no leadership experience or practical skillsets to run this country.
  22. More or Less from Canada writes: Attacking your opponent personally is a clear indication you're position is weak. I'd like to hear how the Conservative platform and how their agenda better serves Canada, rather than blathering rants about individual MPs--even those who are the leader of the opposition. I'm sadly disappointed in Harper and disgusted by what appears to be his personal integrity and approach to leading the country.
  23. M F from GTA, Canada writes: I'm not really partisan, I usually make up my mind close to elections based on platforms. I am however getting sick and tired of the Conservative attack ads. Instead of informing Canadians about what they are doing and what they intend to do, they just go on about the other guy being inadequate. No where do they say why they are better, just the other guy sucks.

    It shows absolutely no class and it is definately a con in the Conservative column at election time. I saw the latest ad and quite frankly think it is quite childish of them to continually attack the opposition, especially between elections.

    If you want to govern, behave like a government. Tell us what you are going to do, because you can. If you want to be opposition, then call an election and move over.
  24. a brown from GoWest, Canada writes: This reeks of typcal American Republican modus operandi - paint intellegence as arrogance; a man of letters, a man with more than high a high school education and - heaven forbid - one whose has actually lived outside the country and experienced the world - as "uppitty".

    I for one WANT a SMART person heading the ship. I want a thinker. If I was only basing my decision on choosing between a person with a never-used degree and a resume limited to the only job outside government being in "mail room worker at Imperial Oil" or an author, international traveller and Harvard lecturer I'd go with the latter.

    Stupid is easy. Smart is hard. This lastest ReformConservative tactic is easy.

  25. Bill W from Canada writes: Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: Regardless of my political leanings I find it assinine that a man who lived outside this country for three decades is legally allowed to run for the PM's chair. We need legislation ensuring only those who have resided in Canada for a period of ten years can run for the position of MP or PM and only Natural born citizens should be allowed to run for PM.
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    Even though I disagree with your statement, Michael Ignatieff meets your criteria. He's been in the country for around 30 years and he was born here.
  26. Sue W from Canada writes: Only a bunch of boneheads would be ready to elect someone, who hasn't lived, worked, paid taxes in Canada for most of their adult working life, as PM on the basis of some books he's written about Canada.
  27. Spending our money from Canada writes:
    The man is 62 years of age,he comes back to collect a premium

    pension because he probably has none from all the 34 years he

    stayed away.

    And he did say he missed Algonquin Park.

    And he'll have a platform as soon as he gets elected.

    And he is promising Canadians a EI plan where we can work for 5 weeks in the summer and have the rest of the 47 cold weather climate change months off with pay.

    Boy sometimes Canadians just expect too much.
  28. Desmond Whitton from Canada writes: George W. Bush hadn't ever left the country before he became President. Look how well that turned out. Do the Conservatives really think that Canadians are dumb enough to think that spending time abroad, being exposed to different cultures and ideas, is a bad thing?
  29. Daniel Cunningham from Victoria, BC, writes: Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: Regardless of my political leanings I find it assinine that a man who lived outside this country for three decades is legally allowed to run for the PM's chair. We need legislation ensuring only those who have resided in Canada for a period of ten years can run for the position of MP or PM and only Natural born citizens should be allowed to run for PM. The Liberal Party has Balkinized Canada and now they parachute a man into Canada who has no leadership experience or practical skillsets to run this country.
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    Oh heavens to betsy, gasp, we wouldn't want an immigrant to run for PM now would we Sassy Lassie? You Theo-Cons continuously amaze me with your blatant racism. And the only party balkanizing Canada is the Theo-Conservative party - Harpolini's performance last fall was absolutely disgraceful. I hope the voters in Quebec continue to punish him for his stupidity for a long long time to come.
  30. big picture from BC from Victoria, Canada writes: And besides, it's pointing out who Harper is himself, except that Ignatieff does it better.
  31. sleazy Silvester from Canada writes: a good article. The Cons choose to use smear campaigning, any group that makes that choice does it because they don't have anything themselves to bring to the table.

    I would hope that the next election is about our long term policies decisions; how are we going to address the huge growing environmental concerns, are we going to diversify our trade with growing countries or just keep the American dominante trade relations, will the lowered funding of post secondary be a cost effective strategy?

    As for a Prof deciding to work for Harvard then say U of T, well to me it seems a no brainer. I would never consider John Lennon American even if he had lived out his life in the States. Focusing on those type of issues takes away from the real policies decisions.

    If our democracy is a working one then the decisions the PM makes will always be representative of Canadians, unless of course parliament is dissolved for a period of time and a vote of no confidence can't be made or the majority of MP's can't force in a new PM.
  32. Rabidsenses > from Good gawd, a latte-swilling Westerner, Canada writes:

    FROM THE ARTICLE: [Ignatieff's] past positions were closer to the government's own core than the Liberal core on issues like Afghanistan, torture, Quebec and U.S. relations.
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    "torture"

    Does the Canadian government even have an official position on "torture"?
  33. Durward Saar from Canada writes: Having Ignatieff lead Canada would be like getting your mechanic to do your heart surgery, yea he's good with tools but he's not really sure where all the parts belong on this model.
    Iggy knows little of Canada, less of Canadians and respects neither as his own written words prove.
    He does not even consider Canada a real country(his words) yet HE wants to lead what he neither loves nor believes in?
    Arrogant opportunist brought to you by arrogant Adscam thieves in the LPC
  34. Bill W from Canada writes: Sue W from Canada writes: Only a bunch of boneheads would be ready to elect someone, who hasn't lived, worked, paid taxes in Canada for most of their adult working life, as PM on the basis of some books he's written about Canada.
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    You're referring to the majority of Canadians as boneheads? I guess you and the rest of what is left of Conservative supporters don't have the same values as to what makes someone a Canadian. He worked at Harvard and Oxford! In your view, he is no longer a Canadian since he's been working in allied countries for a long time! He should renounce his citizenship! Come on....get with the program. He's a good guy who wants to make his country a better place. He has the chance to do it and he definitely has the momentum behind him. Quit supporting Harper. He's old news. He wants to divide the country to save his butt. He doesn't even love Canada.
  35. Lalo Lad from toronto, Canada writes: Does this mean that I am not Canadian because I was not born in Canada, yet I passionately love my new country like no other, work hard every day, pay my taxes on time, have a great pride in the Canadian values that share with my family and friends? I hope Iggy comes with some ads of his own, not attack ads but a response to these dirty tricks.
  36. Mikey Dee from Canada writes: Hope these conservatives spend a ton of money in the media... .Lord knows the media is starving for advertising dollars. Look at all the infomercials CTV has been reduced to running...can't seem to attract any real advertising dollars. Wonder why?? Hmmmm?
    These ads just show how scared Harper really is and with good cause too. Three tries and he still cannot win more than a minority...face it Steve...you are toast!!
    If Ignatieff is arrogant; I say he's got lots to be arrogant about. He is smart well read and quite personable. As far as not living in Canada, what's the big deal there, after all Harper spent his time in Alberta a true bastion of separatism. I know...I've lived there and most Albertan's align themselves more towards Americans anyway
  37. Jack C from Canada writes: He worked at Harvard and thats a tough job to get so yeah the guys got more than half a brain. He worked outside the country so he's an internationalist in thinking. That shows he's a guy with global experience in an increasingly global world. If I was a Con I'd be worried too. Typical small minded Cons though. Play the flag and launch an attack ad campaign. When are you guys going to get tired of the same old low brow crap comin from your party? Stand up and duke it out like men. Talk policy not attack ads. Thats for cowards.
  38. Randy McClure from Canada writes: MW 123 from Canada writes: BTW, rube Harper got his first passport when he became PM. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Canada's answer to Sarah Palin
  39. Bill W from Canada writes: Randy McClure from Canada writes: MW 123 from Canada writes: BTW, rube Harper got his first passport when he became PM. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Canada's answer to Sarah Palin
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    I don't know about you, but that scares the heck out of me. Harper didn't travel outside of Canada before becoming Prime Minister. No wonder is looks so awkward on the international stage.
  40. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: "torture"

    Does the Canadian government even have an official position on "torture"?
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    This current Canadian government (and I use the term loosely) IS torture.
  41. B. R. from Vancouver, Canada writes: Motives? Just what are the motives of ANY person running for office?

    And this other argument about Ignatieff being out of the country is completely weak. Of course he was out of the country as he was teaching at top-tier institutions like Harvard and Oxford. What would you have had him do instead? Move the campuses of Harvard and Oxford here just so he could "be in Canada"? Or perhaps you would have him teach at UBC or U of T? Clearly, Ignatieff is the top in his particular field and naturally would want to go to a top-tier centre to practise his trade. Why should he be penalized for that?
  42. Thomas Hinton from Canada writes: Why isn't harper doing something to help Canadians during these difficult times instead of lounging around an ad agency boardroom spending somebody else's money trying to tarnish the image of someone who is making an effort.
  43. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: The C.R.A.Ppers' "clusterf*##ks" of rabid, spittle-spewing ads are hilarious! Ye Olde Waddling Wonk really has his knickers in a knot this time - he just can't take it. And his poor old nose just keeps getting longer and longer. He's almost ready to swim upstream, spawn, and go belly up. Yet another quickly forgotten P.M. (Possibly Male)
  44. mike hunt from Canada writes: we would be better served on a whole by populism. 'lumberjacks and hockey players' have more in common with most canadians than the elitist class the sheeple normally elect. such well groomed and highly educated people should be hired on a contract basis to assist government when required, but not allowed to monopolize our halls of power.
  45. Make it Seven from Canada writes: I wasn't so sure about the ads until I went to a surprisingly good website www.ignatieff.me
  46. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: 'lumberjacks and hockey players' have more in common with most canadians
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    Gee, I dunno about this one. I still have my teeth, and my falling and bucking is a little rusty.
  47. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Cyrus Ravage from Overtaxed Ontario, Canada writes: Last time Ignatieff was a true Canadian resident the Microwave oven was being introduced... He's no Canadian if you ask me & as such he certainly doesn't deserve to run our country.

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    That's kind of a narrow empty assertion don't ya think?

    You seem to be referring to the fact that he was out of the country, asserting that that makes him un-Canadian and therefore not worth voting for but everyone knows life abroad can have enormous educational benefits.

    Rather than trashing your ballot, I suggest you and everyone else push your MP for 'mandatory voting'! That would get us taxpayers more clout than complaining.

    Or you could just vote for the guy who's gonna write a... hockey book.
    Oh wow that is SO Canadian.

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  48. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Andre Carrel from Terrace, Canada writes:

    Canadianity?

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    Cool! Best new word of the Year!

    Things that make ya go, hmmmaninity?
  49. Dotty Wells from speaking to the converted, Canada writes: This line of attack will only impress hard core Harper followers. I agree with the article. We Canadians pride ourselves on electing people of superior achievement, who don't pretend otherwise. Americans too tend to elect able men, Clinton, Kennedy, Carter, but that country has a decidedly anti-intellectual bent, although as a backlash to Bush they've now an articulate intelligent (speaker and writer) as a leader. Ignatieff would look very nice beside Obama and we know it. And hey, most of us take huge pride in Canadian's who make it down south. In fact, we ignore those people of achievement who don't. We still consider William Shatner Canadian and I don't think he even pretends to ever come here.
  50. Andre Carrel from Terrace, Canada writes: Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Andre Carrel from Terrace, Canada writes:

    Canadianity?

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    Cool! Best new word of the Year!

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    I was thinking of sobriety, integrity, and honesty, but I did not want to use an ism word. I thought what the hell, if I want to write about a person who is sober, steadfast, and honest, why not refer to that person's Canadianity? Is there a price for best new word of the Year?
  51. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Academics are NOT created equal, people.

    Harper is NOT some uneducated rube. He has a Master's degree in Economics. I think thats a reasonable base, and at least he is NOT a damn lawyer.

    Iggy is a Philosophy/History professor. Thats nice, I do respect philosophy, however, both of these areas tend to look backwards to the past.

    One thing people need to realize is that politics is NOT philosophy. Philosophy is an area of ideas, ideals and pure forms of concepts.

    The world of politics is anything but pure, with so many conflicting ideas and competing agendas all vying for government monies.

    Lets detour a moment and recall that Stephane Dion is himself a Sociology professor. Sociology is a good thing to know as well, but it does not meet necessary and sufficient conditions for a leader.

    The people of Canada need to decide whether they want a PM with an economics background, or one in history/philosophy as their leader; Pragmatist vs. Idealist, when the next election comes.
  52. Canadian citizen from Canada writes: These ads are a sign of Harper's desperation. If that's all he's got to offer, he's definitely toast.
  53. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Durward Saar from Canada writes:
    Iggy knows little of Canada, less of Canadians and respects neither as his own written words prove.
    He does not even consider Canada a real country(his words) yet HE wants to lead what he neither loves nor believes in?
    Arrogant opportunist brought to you by arrogant Adscam thieves in the LPC

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    OK Durward, prove it!

    How do you know that he "knows little of Canada, less of Canadians and respects neither as his own written words prove"?

    When did he say 'Canada's not real' and how would you know he doesn't love this country or believe in it?

    Who was convicted because of the sponsorship trials?

    Take your time, hopefully you can answer before parliament is prorogued again though.

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  54. Cassandra from Ottawa from Canada writes: Harper and his "war room" spear headed by Jason Kenney attacked the dignity and smeared the reputaion of an honourable man, Mr Dion who actually, unlke the Harperites,had some interesting and original ideas.

    Cheap dirty tricks and attacking the personalities of others-that's what they do. Their vile, mean-spirited personal attacks have lowered the tone of public life in Canada and the sooner we are rid of the lot of them, the better.
  55. R. M. from Regina, Canada writes: independent, low-information voters think all politicians are selfish......

    Boy I have NEVER been characterized that way.........guess that has changed now....
  56. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Andre Carrel from Terrace, Canada writes: Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Andre Carrel from Terrace, Canada writes:

    Canadianity?

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    Cool! Best new word of the Year!

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    I was thinking of sobriety, integrity, and honesty, but I did not want to use an ism word. I thought what the hell, if I want to write about a person who is sober, steadfast, and honest, why not refer to that person's Canadianity? Is there a price for best new word of the Year?

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    I'll have to make one up...hmmm...hmmm...hmmm... OK I got it!

    Yes you get a sweater vest and lunch with Harper at Timmy's.

    Gotta run.

    Cheers!
  57. Robert Cole from Barrie On., Canada writes: I hope Stephen Harper is taking notes. He is obviously out of ideas how to help Canada out of this recession. If the best he can do is a smear campaign for Ignatieff we need to get rid of him. Tough times demand strong leadership, Harper is floundering. Where is an economic stimulis package, where is our foreighn policy revamp, where is the infrastructure rebuild. Oh yes! NO Where!
    Harper would rather wallow in mud slinging then, DO SOMETHING!
    I hope the conservatives spend all of their party's money, so we can see how "not" in control they are.
    Welcome Mr. Ignatieff! Harper is in the process of proving how inadequate a leader he is. Time for a real leader, Canada.
  58. Donald Wilson from Canada writes: Let the Cons run the ads - it will just highlight that they have no people of vision . The Harper party is a reactionary party - they don't lead . It shd be manditory that MPs in cabint and the PM must have worked at least 2 years outside Canada in another country so as to get some international exprience . .
  59. Jason R from Kanata, Canada writes: The ads affected me... they made me donate money to the Liberal Party of Canada.

    End this junk: www.victoryfund.ca
  60. Bill FENG from Toronto, Canada writes: If it is about effectively dividing the country, surely the Tories did it.
    So what is the question about: being 34 years out of the country? So what? In this country, people do not need Tories' education to know that every CITIZEN has the EQUAL RIGHTS to be elected, no matter a MP or a PM. If he is qualified, then he is qualified.
    Running a party and try to lead the Canadian into division on this edge, Harper is surely playing a dangerous game!
  61. censured ... from Canada writes: he's arrogant because he knows he is smarter and more capable than his opponents...I'm not sure that means he's arrogant...just smarter and more capable.
  62. Edward Rudnicki from toronto, Canada writes: just when we need the govt to work they are playing games. The attack ads should be a wakeup call to you cons. Harper has not lived up to his promises but he has time and money to investigate everything Ignatieff taught, wrote or said, so that can use selected lines that would make him look bad.
    Harper is not who the MAJORITY want to run the country.
  63. farmer john from hanover, Canada writes: So anyone with a Canadian Passport (implying that they might leave the country from time to time) is a second class citizen???? I worked overseas for a few years. And brought my hard earned cash back, along with a new perspective - I am the better for it, and I can contribute more now than I did. So why does that make me a suspect Canadian. Harper (and I once voted for his party) is going down the wrong path. Iggy needs to be criticised for his lack of policy direction on the main issues we face today. Harperites take note. Are the Cons afraid that if they do this he may actually come up with something? Again where Iggy worked and led his life is properly seen as a positive attribute. He comes across as a loyal and committed Canadian, at least to me. I think that those that say otherwise would not last one day in his position, nor would they have left a rewarding career for the brutality of Canadian politics. Armchair critics, all.
  64. con hack loser PM is bad for Canada from Canada writes:
    "Norman Petit from Calgary, Canada writes: The fear coming out of CPC headquarters is palpable."

    "More or Less from Canada writes: Attacking your opponent personally is a clear indication you're position is weak."

    Pretty much says it all.

    Buh bye, Tubby.
  65. Tio Pepe from Parry Sound, Canada writes: The Conservatives are their own biggest enemy! They are sinking into stupidity. The opinion polls show they are in deep trouble and they are acting out of desperation. They will not regain any ground with stupid and nasty attack ads.
  66. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Academics are NOT created equal, people.

    Harper is NOT some uneducated rube. He has a Master's degree in Economics.
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    And George 'Dubya' Bush had a Masters in Business Administration. What's your point?
  67. Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: Ian Gray from Canada writes: Jacques Six-Pack, good God it has to be at least Jacques Twelve-Pack - 'I am Canadian!'

    Ever been to N&L? Jacques Two-Four!

    Although he would be federal, I wonder if Danny would campaign for or against him?
  68. muriel z from Toronto, Canada writes: Typical sleezy Tory ads, with distorted half truths and dialogue taken out of context. Wonder if they will have anything left to say when we go into election mode.

    Harper & Co are pushing a second round of vicious commercias that will really put Steve in the basement. Watch the polls, Canadians are not gullable fools, they have seen these irresponsible commercials before & know they are genarated out of fear.

    Harper and his minions, are destroying our image overseas, No one likes a bully, or a fool, and we have seen from Mr Harpers appearances in the international forum so far, that world leaders are not impressed with him.

    If his script is off point, he is mute. And if he is not there they don't miss him, they just go ahead with the official photograph.

    Ignatieff spent a lot of his working career out of Canada as have many others, but his wide experience makes him more Canadian, and better equipped to deal with the leaders of the world.

    Say what you will about Ignatieff, he has faults, who doesn't, but he is very intelligent and is willing to listen to the experts and consider the information carefully before making critical decisions, nor does he need to muzzle his MP's, they have the knowledge and experience to operate effectively, without his coaching or permission.

    I have just made my first financial donation to a political party. We need to get rid of these goons before Canada loses all world admiration & respect..
  69. kK J from mississauga, Canada writes: The problem The Brow has is he does not possess the essence of living and being Canadian> He doesn't come across as a team player. The anger he shows during QP is puzzling (he is always point his finger and frowning and yelling ?). The Libs.left have been attacking the PM and the Conservative Party since the election. Don't we all remember the tag team of the Gang of 4 'debating' our Prime Minister? Give me a break. The Libs.left is an angry, OLD man's party! The Conservative Party of Canada is YOUNG and has been managing our Country just great during this global recession.

    Ask Rick Mercer (Host of Talking to Americans) how smart Harvard Grads and associated professors are? LOL
  70. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Jason R from Kanata, Canada writes: The ads affected me... they made me donate money to the Liberal Party of Canada.
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    Love it! First time in 65 years that I've ever given money to a political party and I did the same - I'll take an urbane, intelligent, secure-in-his-own-skin Iggy over an insecure, socially inept, awkward, international embarassment like Helmet Head Harper any day of the week.
  71. Billiam Smith from Montreal, Canada writes: Attempts to attack Ignatieff's credibility are "problematic" only because he has absolutely no government track record. And "keeping his powder dry" is a nice way to say that he doesn't want to share his platform with the world.

    Vote Ignatieff - he keeps his powder dry!
  72. David Oakland from Oakville, Canada writes: I am embarassed to be a born and raised Canadian - our governments are an embarassment - the PM is a joke - he should never have been elected to this office - with all the issues we need addressing such as national health care, the economy, jobs, EI etc... and he has time to approve attack ads against a liberal leader who is gaining approval - shows you he is scared, but also not competent to be PM - he is not a conservative either - he is a Reform/Alliance/Hitler that should never have been elected to the PM office - he is not a leader and should never have been voted in - will be glad to see him follow in G. Bushes footsteps - cheer everyone up when he leaves the job - the polics in this country are so bad, I am considering leaving when I retire - if I don't leave, it will only be because I won't read any newspapers, have cable - I don't want to know - am tired of a lifetime of Garbage Incompetent Politicians, Lies, Deceit, you name it - I can't even bring myself to vote anymore for anyone - that is how much I don't believe in our Canadian system - soon we will have a cultural government, one that is elected by culture and issues of cultures, and not by qualifications or competency - that is what I won't be a part of - hopefully I am checking out of Canada soon - had enough
  73. B. R. from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Academics are NOT created equal, people.

    Harper is NOT some uneducated rube. He has a Master's degree in Economics. I think thats a reasonable base, and at least he is NOT a damn lawyer.

    Iggy is a Philosophy/History professor. Thats nice, I do respect philosophy, however, both of these areas tend to look backwards to the past.

    One thing people need to realize is that politics is NOT philosophy. Philosophy is an area of ideas, ideals and pure forms of concepts.

    The people of Canada need to decide whether they want a PM with an economics background, or one in history/philosophy as their leader; Pragmatist vs. Idealist, when the next election comes.

    ----
    Really? Sanjay Singh, really? I've never seen such a weaker argument. How does one's educational background - and by that I mean subject matter - correlate to his or her ability to govern? If we are to follow your line of logic, then how do you explain George Dubya Bush with his MBA (Harvard, nonetheless)?!? What about former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan with his Master's in Management? Do you really think he was an effective leader of the UN? Just because one has an educational background in business or economics does not mean that they will be an effective or successful leader. Plus, that's what the experts who surround leaders are for...
  74. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: David Oakland from Oakville, Canada writes: I am embarassed to be a born and raised Canadian - our governments are an embarassment - the PM is a joke - he should never have been elected to this office - with all the issues we need addressing such as national health care, the economy, jobs, EI etc... and he has time to approve attack ads against a liberal leader who is gaining approval - shows you he is scared, but also not competent to be PM
    _________________

    David, you are quite right. Helmet Head is fixated on making his campaign a 'personal fight' rather than an appeal to the electorate. The little man is very, very insecure. No one disputes that he is a tough fighter and will do anything at all to hold onto power, but he has alienated so many decent people both inside and outside of his political party that he is just not attractive at all to most thinking Canadians. He is past his 'due date' and needs to be thrown out as he has turned sour.

    I too am embarassed by this awkward and spiteful little man.
  75. Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: I still think that the Liberal hierarchy doesn't want Iggy to win big so they can replace him with someone with a French background, a la Laurier, St. Laurent, Trudeau and Chretien. Iggy just has the wrong background and isn't from Montreal.
  76. Dale Brown from Victoria, Canada writes: Ignatieff miay have spent a substantial part of his adult life outside Canada; Harper wishes he spent the whole of his life outside the country. Harper spent many years diligently attacking those things about Canada that most of the us rather like. Even as Prime Minister you get the feeling that this guy really doesn't like the place.
  77. MITCH POWELL from writes: I've never read this blogger/writer before, but one question. Is he 5?!?
  78. Peter Redecopp from Calgary, Canada writes: ATTN: right winger - read more.

    Right Winger (CON/Reform/Aliance supporter) from Canada writes: I'd like to hear Iggy answer ONE question honestly...why did you come back to be PM?

    A: he was asked.

    Is it only us Conservative supporters that question his motives to come back after so many years?

    A: The cons are acting like the republicans who tried to convince everyone Obama supported terrorism & was a muslim. You sound like those uneducated Southerners that seriously believed that BS.

    Why? It can't be for the love of his country, that's obviously not the reason.

    A: that is quite obviously the reason. He may be arrogant & concieted, but being PM (as Mulroney is

    If ever there was an "Hidden agenda" in Ottawa, this is surely it.

    A: for someone who supports a party that gags MPs, deliberately misleads the public (i.e. telling people the coalition was a coup attempt and unconstitutional), and is constantly trying to sneak in bits of their agenda into larger pieces of legislation, those are bold words.
  79. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Dale Brown from Victoria, Canada writes: Harper spent many years diligently attacking those things about Canada that most of the us rather like. Even as Prime Minister you get the feeling that this guy really doesn't like the place.
    ____________________

    Ain't that the truth. It's all rather curious.
  80. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    WHY is everyone getting so worked up about more attack ads?

    Has everyone forgotten about the Liberal attack ads?

    Remember, "soldiers in our cities" and "we just don't know" quotes that were appropriately and rightly parodied?

    How come I hear NO outrage about those things, hmmmm?

    I think the Liberals and their supporters are simply angry that the Conservatives have the funding to make these ads.

    But please don't delude yourselves into thinking its any kind of fair play or rising above the fray ethic from the Liberals. They were the ones that did this first, but they are irritated by the idea that someone else is simply taking their tactic and throwing it back at them.

    Liberals are ruthless, and for the first time in a long time, they are facing someone as wily and strategic and at least as ruthless a foe as Chetien ever was.

    So, why the outrage over the attack ads?
  81. Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: "Iggy is a Philosophy/History professor. "

    As Plato's Republic states the educational system should be set up to produce these philosopher kings. Till philosophers are kings in this world, or till those we now call kings and rulers really and truly become philosophers, and political power and philosophy thus come into the same hands, while the many natures now content to follow either to the exclusion of the other are forcibly debarred from doing so.

    Trouble is, I wouldn't hire a philosopher (I want someone who does something) and I don't really want to follow one either. Philosophers generally think they should rule, like other dictators.
  82. BMM MACK from Winnipeg, Canada writes: In true Seinfeld fashion this is an article about nothing trying to defend a party and a leader who stand for nothing. Once again it should bear the disclaimer:

    MY NAME IS MICHAEL IGNATIEFF AND I APPROVED THIS AD.
  83. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes: So, why the outrage over the attack ads?
    _______________

    I'll try to keep it simple, Sanjay----------there's just 'something about Steve' that pisses Canadians off.
  84. P F from Colonel Sam Smith Park, Canada writes: This Tory ad is an insult to all new Canadians. If you happen to have lived in another country before immigrating to Canada, then you are a "nothing" in the eyes of Harper and the Tories. You have nothing to offer if you have not spent every second from the moment of birth until now in Canada. Of course, the Tories didn't clue in to the fact that their ad would be flinging mud at new Canadians, or every Canadian who might have taken the opportunity to explore the world, take advantage of global opportunities or even attend excellent centres of scholarship in other countries. The Conservative idea of the ideal Canadian is a person who wears an anchor and is uninterested in the world. They would have you believe Lester Pearson, who spent years and years outside of Canada before becoming Prime Minister, had nothing to offer our country. They would have you believe Pierre Trudeau, who travelled around the world before becoming Prime Minister, had nothing to offer to Canada because he left Canada for a time. Yup, this is the bizarre mindset of the Tories under Harper. They are inspired by folks who lack of curiosity, who lack of ambition, who have no desire to experience the wider world. They are inspired by the narrow goal of partisanship and power. That's why their vision of Canada is dictated by the same theme: power for power's sake. And that's why this ad will backfire. They are not only attacking Ignatieff; they are attacking all Canadians.

    Regards
  85. David Gay from Canada writes: Andrew Steele is a bonehead. What an utterly reductive analysis, capped by the appalling observation that the attack ads are "excellent." This sounds like commentary from Wayne's World. Who is this guy?
  86. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Arrogance????? Helmet Head Harper is like a rooster who thinks the sun rises to hear him crow. Lol!
  87. okanagan pakman from Canada writes: Harper's free ride is over...he will need to defend his record, come clean about the bribery and election-fraud, and eventually take responsibility for incompetance on the fiscal front

    Fascists be gone!!
  88. N. Ontarian from Canada writes: His Royal Excellency Count Carpetbagger can't answer a question - he's the biggest and worst WAFFLER in recent political history. Whenever there's a controversy, if Iggy comes out of hiding for a minute while the controversy is happening, the man can't utter a clear statement. He waffles, waffles, waffles - basically his answer is "I choose not to answer". My gawd he makes Joe Clark look decisive.
  89. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes: P F from Colonel Sam Smith Park, Canada writes: This Tory ad is an insult to all new Canadians. If you happen to have lived in another country before immigrating to Canada, then you are a "nothing" in the eyes of Harper and the Tories. You have nothing to offer if you have not spent every second from the moment of birth until now in Canada. ==== This is NOT true. I think the invited inference is, an outsider has no real moral foundation for believing that he has any natural right to run for the leadership of a country that he has lost touch with for over 3 decades. By the logic being presented above and those other decrying highlighting that Iggy has not been in Canada for 34 years, and saying because he was born here, he has as much right as anyone... Let me ask you if you would be equally comfortable with any of the Khadr clan running for office, or even contemplating the idea, given that some of them were born here too. I can also tell you that the Americans are very firm on this stuff. If the situation was reversed and Iggy tried to run for US Presidency after living in Canada for 34 years, you can be sure of a similar chill. Similarly for Sonia Ghandi being born in Italy. Questions were naturally raised about her loyalty to India after having lived in Italy? Is she truly a woman of India? Is Iggy truly a man for Canada? A fair and just question.
  90. kK J from mississauga, Canada writes: N. Ontario - I completely agree - The Brow does make Joe Clark look decisive.
  91. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    P F from Colonel Sam Smith Park, Canada writes:

    This Tory ad is an insult to all new Canadians. If you happen to have lived in another country before immigrating to Canada, then you are a "nothing" in the eyes of Harper and the Tories. You have nothing to offer if you have not spent every second from the moment of birth until now in Canada.

    ====

    This is NOT true. I think the invited inference is, an outsider has no real moral foundation for believing that he has any natural right to run for the leadership of a country that he has lost touch with for over 3 decades.

    By the logic being presented above ...

    Let me ask you if you would be equally comfortable with any of the Khadr clan running for office, or even contemplating the idea, given that some of them were born here too.

    I can also tell you that the Americans are very firm on this stuff. If the situation was reversed and Iggy tried to run for US Presidency after living in Canada for 34 years, you can be sure he would get nowhere.

    Is Iggy truly a man for Canada? A fair and just question.
  92. Randy Keller from Port Perry, Ontario, Canada writes: Ironic that the Libs get the "high road" when the fact is that they're just broke.

    I know people in Ignatieff's back room - a Machiavellian bunch if there ever was one. If they had the cash, they'd be all over the media attacking Harper.
  93. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Academics are NOT created equal, people.

    Harper is NOT some uneducated rube. He has a Master's degree in Economics.

    ---------------------------

    If that's the case Harper knows he could easily order his party MP's to take a 10% pay cut for the duration of this 'down turn'/recession/financial mess, and it wouldn't make much difference at all in their lives.
    Hell he could even introduce legislation to that effect and who would argue?

    He would look like he cared and that he realizes he has a recession proof job! Unlike the unlucky vast majority of Canadians.

    They could still use all the perks to get the job done and he would for sure be the most popular politician in Canada.

    Instead he tries to malign a decent man and throw sh!t in our faces and waste our time!

    That's why, "the outrage over the attack ads?"

    He has MUCH better things to focus on with his degree!

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  94. Bernard Coderre from Toronto, Canada writes: mike hunt from Canada writes: we would be better served on a whole by populism. 'lumberjacks and hockey players' have more in common with most canadians than the elitist class the sheeple normally elect...
    ----------------------------------------

    Sorry Mike, I think you seriously need a "Hockey Mom".
    Can't believe what I read here!
  95. Ella Bella25 from Toronto, Canada writes: Sanjay Singh writes: "One thing people need to realize is that politics is NOT philosophy. Philosophy is an area of ideas, ideals and pure forms of concepts."

    This is absolutely untrue. Have you ever heard of "politicial philosophy?" Politics, like many social constructs, has its roots in philosophy. Aristotle, Kant, Hegel, Hobbes, De Tocqueville, Locke, Rousseau: these men (and others) essentially formulated the political system we know today. History plays an important role in this as well, as we learn from our mistakes and successes (ideally).

    I think history and philosophy are not only part of politics, but they are the foundation on which our political system was built. They are also key influences on its evolution. Think about it: If history wasn't important, would anyone have their panties in a knot over Iggy's hiatus in the US?

    I guess you don't have to listen to me, though....I'm a political philosophy proponent after all.

    P.S. I think Ignatieff is an intelligent, cultured, genuine human being. We know what his motives are...he wants to be P.M. That's why he returned to Canada...It's even MORE challenging to run for office from a post outside the country...
  96. Big Jack Baloney from Canada writes: "Harper is such a twit god what a twit Harper is a twit what a twit is Harper What a twit" Liberal's have gone completely bonkers...there the biggest twits of all!
  97. D J from Canada writes: I guess the greater public now get a taste of the real reformers/alliance turned conservatives ruling this nation now. If you look at the majority of the MP's esp the ones from Alberta, most of them have minimal high school or trades with a smack of them having university degrees. They howl about people with higher education and in fact the lot of them never travel out of Alberta until elected to Ottawa. Guess you never knew why the conservatives had such a strong hold over Alberta? Because they are true red necks who think the whole world owe them a higher standard of living due to the oil reserve the province sits on. After you have one of these narrow minded individuals take over the government, then you realize the impact of petty, conniving, destructive campaign the Harper conservatives relied on to win elections. Scary isn't it. They did not solve or bring to fore any policy of real change but instead they pit citizen against citizen until the cupboard ran dry of $$. Harper went to New York and told a crowd of business leaders that they should heed Canada's example until his governance because Canada will be the first of western nations to come out of this recession. Well, guess what? The international economic consensus now is that Canada will be the last to see recovery! Harper again predicted wrong! A great economist he is... never used his degree to put to work a day and now he's traversing different nations looking for a job should he leave the PM job?? I doubt if anyone in the UN will look at his resume after the caustic way he treated upstanding retired Canadian public service employees working at foreign embassies and the international tribunal. Bring his name up.. you bet there's lot of snickering!
  98. Chris S. from Kitchener-Waterloo, Canada writes: "Non, mais en expirant,
    O mon cher Canada!
    Mon regard languissant
    Vers toi se portera . . ."
  99. Malc F from Toronto, Canada writes: Why does the PM have to pass a Canadian-ness test if they're a citizen and the best person for the job? Jingoism only guarantees mediocrity. With continued growth through immigration (half of Toronto was born overseas) you're restricting the number of candidates to a subset of the population. What next - a white only policy?
  100. zippo man from Canada writes: Not fond of the Conservatives so glad to see they are shooting themselves in the foot with these ads. A sign of weakness and fear to come out with with attack ads.
  101. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Big Jack Baloney from Canada writes: "Harper is such a twit god what a twit Harper is a twit what a twit is Harper What a twit" Liberal's have gone completely bonkers...there the biggest twits of all!
    ________

    Excuse my 'arrogance', but the word you grope for is "they're", not there. (you twit - learn your mother tongue)
  102. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: Malc F from Toronto, Canada writes: Why does the PM have to pass a Canadian-ness test if they're a citizen and the best person for the job? Jingoism only guarantees mediocrity. With continued growth through immigration (half of Toronto was born overseas) you're restricting the number of candidates to a subset of the population. What next - a white only policy?
    _____________

    Yoicks - I sure hope so - that would exclude all the Reform 'rednecks'.
  103. Justin Kase from Victoria, Canada writes: I have never been, nor will ever be, ashamed or embarassed to be a Canadian. What our governments do or not do, or what our leaders do or not do, does not change my patriotism to my country. Shame on those who say otherwise.
  104. Brian L from Canada writes: Sanjay Singh writes:"Harper is NOT some uneducated rube. He has a Master's degree in Economics. I think thats a reasonable base, and at least he is NOT a damn lawyer."

    So? He was never able to get a job as an economist which basically means that no one ever found him qualified enough to hire him for such task... This would explain his incoherent statements about the recession being not a "real" one and that Canada was somehow immune to economic bad news from the USA.
  105. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: “Never was patriot yet, but was a fool.”
    ~ John Dryden
  106. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: “Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles.”
    ~ George Jean Nathan

    “Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign that he expects to be paid for it.”
    ~ H. L. Mencken
  107. The Three Faces of Steve from Canada writes: “Patriotism is a kind of religion; it is the egg from which wars are hatched.”
    ~ Guy de Maupassant

    “The highest patriotism is not a blind acceptance of official policy, but a love of one’s country deep enough to call her to a higher plain.”
    ~ George McGovern
  108. Elmo Harris from Niagara, Canada writes: I would like to offer my considered opinion on such a lofty subject:

    ====================
    Vote for Iggy not the Piggy
    ====================
  109. shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes:

    Is Harper looking for something to do? Free time?

    We're not in an election - yet Harper has the time to jet around the world and work on attack ads?

    Where's the Conservative Platform? Why can't Harper run on his achievements.

    Ya, I get it attack the opposition - that's easy - run on your own achievements ...

    Why are the conersvatives so obsessed with being in power?

    What's the "economist" PM's real agenda?
  110. steve notgoingtell from Toronto, Canada writes: Seriously if harper can not win on his own merit, and he needs to resort to slander to gain support.. thats not the kind of leader i want running my country.
  111. shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes:
    BTW - when's the last time you've seen Harper talk to Canadian media on Television??? When's the last time you've seen Harper talking to the general public?

    He won't even talk to Canadians. So who's the elitist?

    .
  112. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes: Hmmmer ? from Canada writes:

    If that's the case Harper knows he could easily order his party MP's to take a 10% pay cut for the duration of this 'down turn' /recession / financial mess, and it wouldn't make much difference at all in their lives. Hell he could even introduce legislation to that effect and who would argue?

    ===

    I don't know if you recall or not, but the Reform party which was reviled in the media, tried to have principles such as these. Most if not all of their MPs opted out of the retirement package offered to MPs until it was brought in line with that of other industries.

    And Opposition Leader Preston Manning tried to avoid moving into Stornoway precisely because he thought it was too lavish and offended his principles of frugality.

    ===

    How do you think these noble gestures were rewarded by the electorate? With stronger majorities for Chretien thats how.

    Canadians have become so cynical and conditioned by the left-wing media, that nothing any conservative politician does along these lines would be viewed as genuine or heart-felt. It would be construed as just another photo-op or tactic.

    So you can drop this pretense right now, OK?
  113. shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes:
    "Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada" - do you work for the Conservative Party?

    I know you guys troll websites like this - oh yes that "left wing media" - what like the Globe and Mail that endorsed Harper in the last election. Ya, the conspiracy is always out there.

    Actually Singh (if that's your real name) Canadian's are just centrists - sorry if were not right wingers.
  114. Elizabeth Montgomery from Calgary from Canada writes: Sanjay Singh is not a Sikh - he's pretending to be one.
  115. Dick LaFleur from West of the Rockies, Canada writes: The fact that Michael I. has lived and worked outside of Canada is a big plus in my mind. For once I am in favor of following the lead of the US and bringing someone with international experience into power. Is it really true that Harper didn't have a passport until he became PM? Seems to me George W. was in the same boat!

    Brilliant article thanks!!
  116. Carolyn Debnam from Toronto, Canada writes:
    These Ads just show how DUMB the Cons who thought up this re-run idea are.
    First of all they are saying they don't like Smarts.

    I just saw the one that Iggy has been out of Canada for 34 years...
    Well D'oh.. He's 62..so..c'mon now..without calculators figure out how long he HAS been in Canada. Some of those years were because his Father travelled as a diplomat for Canada.
    These ads are introducing Iggy to ALL of Canada now..thank you very much..

    One fatal flaw is assuming Canadians have not become more aware since the last barrage of garbage.
    We not only Groan when we see one.. but are turned off by this sort of negative crap showing our "Leadership" is still focused on division rather than working together with other people.
    Harper and his goons truly underestimate Canadians.. so who is the arrogant one??

    ~
  117. shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes: Singh you're too funny - you are the conservative mindset:

    "Canadians have become so cynical and conditioned by the left-wing media, that nothing any conservative politician does along these lines would be viewed as genuine or heart-felt. It would be construed as just another photo-op or tactic."

    ... and the Conservatives are the victims ... yep. That's why Conservatives need to run attack ads ... cause your all victims. Boo Hooo. If you're party was so noble - you'd be able to point to your record -

    but conservatives have flip-flopped so many times ...

    .. you give pancakes a bad name.
  118. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Ella Bella25 from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Have you ever heard of "politicial philosophy?" Politics, like many social constructs, has its roots in philosophy. Aristotle, Kant, Hegel, Hobbes, De Tocqueville, Locke, Rousseau: these men (and others) essentially formulated the political system we know today. History plays an important role in this as well, as we learn from our mistakes and successes (ideally).

    ===

    Hello Ella, I am most impressed by your citations here.

    I have a minor in philosophy (mainly cognitive science stuff) myself, but the thing to keep in mind here is that these philosophical issues are settled, and an amalgam of these ideas from Kant and Locke and Hobbes and so on have yielded the foundational ideas for democracies as implemented in the USA, Canada, Europe and other places.

    But WITHIN a democratic system, protecting "the common good" such as strong environmental laws to the degree that some want, would severely hurt the economy. We cannot "idealize" to the extent that poltical philosophy debates because such extremes cannot in reality be implemented without damaging some other vital interest.
  119. one thinker from Canada writes: I don't get why people don't want a canadian born citizen who has live half his life in Canada and the other half in our neigbouring and allied country YET they don't mind that our Head of State is not canadian and has been to canada only for a few weeks all her life.
  120. C R from Canada writes: The Conservatives biggest problem against Ignatieff is that they have Stephen Harper to run against him. It's like watching the Conservatives grab at straws as their ship slowly sinks.
  121. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes: Holy ... is this get Sanjay night or something? === shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes: "Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada" - do you work for the Conservative Party? *No, but obviously I am a supporter of most Conservative ideas at this time. Liberals are not fit to lead Canada anytime soon. === Carolyn Debnam from Toronto, Canada writes: These Ads just show how DUMB the Cons who thought up this re-run idea are. First of all they are saying they don't like Smarts. *No, not true. Cons don't like know-it-alls trying to parachute in and take command of a country they have forgotten about. Iggy didn't sound too bright with his stammering "We didn't get it done..." about Kyoto. As I recall CO2 emissions rose about 30%-35% during Chretien's terms? === shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes: Singh you're too funny - you are the conservative mindset. *Please see my comment above about Liberal attack ads and the strange silence about these past actions. Liberals are not used to someone taking the fight to them. "but conservatives have flip-flopped so many times ..." My favorite flip-flop: "We hate da GST and we will kill it." ... later on ... "I'm sorry" - Chretien.
  122. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes: Is this get Sanjay night or something? === shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes: "Sanjay Singh [...]"- do you work for the Conservative Party? *No, but obviously I am a supporter of most Conservative ideas at this time. Liberals are not fit to lead Canada. === Carolyn Debnam from Toronto, Canada writes: These Ads just show how DUMB the Cons who thought up this re-run idea are. First of all they are saying they don't like Smarts. *No, not true. Cons don't like know-it-alls trying to parachute in and command a country they have forgotten about. Iggy didn't sound too bright stammering "We didn't get it done." about Kyoto. As I recall CO2 emissions rose about 30% during Chretien's terms? === shannon hall from Canada, Canada writes: Singh you're too funny - you are the conservative mindset. *See my comment above about Liberal attack ads and the silence about these past actions. Liberals are not used to someone taking the fight to them. "but conservatives have flip-flopped so many times ..." *My favorite flip-flop: "We hate da GST and we will keel it." ... later on ... "I'm sorry" - Chretien.
  123. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Chris S. from Kitchener-Waterloo, Canada writes:
    "Non, mais en expirant, O mon cher Canada!
    Mon regard languissant, Vers toi se portera . . ."

    -------------------------------------

    No, yet in dying still, O my dear Canada!
    My drooping eyes I will, turn toward thee afar

    Yea, that's for sure.

    Hmmm?
  124. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    one thinker from Canada writes: I don't get why people don't want a canadian born citizen who has live half his life in Canada and the other half in our neigbouring and allied country YET they don't mind that our Head of State is not canadian and has been to canada only for a few weeks all her life.

    ===

    I MIND. But I like our old $1 bills from the 70s when the Queen was a pretty lady. So I'm willing to let tradition stand for a while yet.

    Besides, she keeps her nose out of Canadian affairs.

    ===

    Iggy on the other hand ... he flip flops like you wouldn't believe.

    First calling for Mulroney's head, then making nice with him as Harper distances himself from that situation.

    Then demanding stimulus for the middle class, then opposing the idea 10 days later.

    Iggy is a real fish out of water. Slippery too. Vote for him at your peril.
  125. John Peterson from Canada writes: Harper is an "economist"? Please give me a break. After 10 years of working in Industry I am still amazed at how little I knew after completing University and how much more I still have to learn even now. The man has never worked in the real world as an economist. If an engineer graduates from university and never works in the real world and has no substantial achievements in their field they are NOT an engineer - you can get your degree from MIT or Berkeley or anywhere it wouldn't matter. Your degree is a namesake only at that point - not a professional qualification. For example, a lawyer has to article for 1 year - and even then they are still a rookie. A doctor has to do a residency - and I still wouldn't trust them to operate on me. It's only after years of experience and proving yourself in the field that anyone actually becomes a professional in their particular area. In a class room a 99% performance is a great result. In real life can you imagine if even 1 out of a 100 bridges collapsed, or 1 out of a 100 airplanes crashed or if you forgot to sow up the patient just once after 99 surgeries? That would not be an acceptable result. The man went straight from graduation to being a professor of economics and then a politician. I would respect him more if Harper just said that I am a professional politician. That's what he has been doing for the last 20 years. That is his field of expertise - not economics.
  126. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:

    So you can drop this pretense right now, OK?

    --------------------------

    You assume pretense but no, you are wrong yet again.

    I really think that could work. Except you may be forgetting that Harper doesn't have to ask now, he just has to do!

    Who could argue? No one!

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, GET SANJAY!! ;)
  127. Blair . from Vancouver, Canada writes: Oh, so Iggy's been on the cover of GQ. Wonder which US magazines have put Harper on their cover.
  128. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes: John Peterson from Canada writes:

    Harper is an "economist"?

    ===

    You mention lawyers. Would you rather have even more of these sycophantic hypocritical duplicitous types in the government?

    ===

    I guess we'll see how the debates go in the next election. Ignatieff is obviously going to be more of a challenge than Dion was, but in the debates, Iggy will have to stand on his own wit and cannot rely on others, and I expect at that point he will be found wanting.
  129. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: From CBC news May13/09

    Ignatieff said the ads are designed to divert the public's attention from the real issues affecting Canadians, such as the economy.
    (he could have mentioned the war too)

    "We're in the middle of a serious economic crisis," he said. "This government needs to grow up and do its job properly."

    "I'm not going to attack Mr. Harper personally. I don't expect he should attack me."

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    Ignatieff is right about this! It's his job to appropriately oppose govt.

    Harper thinks the old 'tax tax tax' fear mongering is gonna work...nope!

    Harpers gonna blow this chance he has, that's hubris for ya, everytime!

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  130. John Peterson from Canada writes: Do you know this guy named Chuck Liddell? He is a UFC fighter. Guess what field he graduated in? ... Accounting Well since he went to school for Accounting, you would expect he does his own taxes right? Wrong. He gets a professional accountant to file his taxes - the reason being when you spend 8 hrs. a day punching people in the head - you are not spending those 8 hrs. learning about the nuances of filing a tax return. Multply that by 15 years and bingo - Accounting is like a distant fog in your brain. Similarly, Harper has spent the last 20 years being a professional politician .. Sweater on .. Sweater off .. One day fat boy next day slim. Voting for Harper because he is an economist is like trusting Chuck Liddell to file your tax return. It's actually a misleading statement. A person who is a real economist crunches data and generates forecasts to predict market, trade, and economic activity so that institutions can stay ahead of the curve and make smart bets on the markets (for example). He or she does that day in and day out and they earn a living at it because their analysis earns their employers a lot of money - at least a lot more compared to that person's salary. Harper spends his day managing his public image, attacking opponents, coming up with smear campaigns, and compiling dossiers on his enemies - like all politicians. Throw in a speech, a fundrasing dinner, and a photo op with CNN talking about our great banking system which Paul Martin instituted (and which he took credit for like all politicians). Then on we go to piss off the Chinese and devise the Puffin poop strategy and make a trip to come up with the EU free trade agreement - which had to be watered down to include only iceland, sweden, and lichenstein because damn Europeans won't eat our seal meat no more... sigh Harper is what he is .. be he ain't an economist.
  131. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    John Peterson from Canada writes: Do you know this guy named Chuck Liddell? He is a UFC fighter. Guess what field he graduated in? ... Accounting

    ===

    We can talk about UFC once Ken Hayashi our beloved Athletics Commisioner allows UFC into Ontario (or is sued into pauperhood):

    http://www.canadianboxing.com/mailinglistcontent.htm

    Ken Hayashi, Chairman
    1075 Millwood Road
    Toronto, ON M4G 1X6

    (416) 314-3630 Phone
    (416) 314-3632 Fax

    ===

    This is the most bizarre example ever ... former UFC light-heavyweight who is now retired as an accountant to make your point.

    Wish I had thought of it.
  132. A C from Albertario, Canada writes:

    Blair . writes: Oh, so Iggy's been on the cover of GQ. Wonder which US magazines have put Harper on their cover.

    None. But he was in a Canadian Tire menswear insert.

    .
  133. Neil Thomson from OttawaKanata, Canada writes: Harper's track record is a recycled George W. Bush agenda - which both the US and Canada have moved on from. Harper has no other vision for Canada and very strong prediliction to ignoring Canadian law and overwhelming public opinion - when it suites them - Khadr and Abdelrazik being concrete examples. I (and I suspect many other) don't trust him not to blindly follow personal or conservative agenda's vs. doing what is right for Canada.

    Iggy's opportunity - have a vision for Canada vs. tactical issues strictly to get into power. Earn the public trust. The public bought it from Trudeau even though we hated some of what he did. The Charter of Rights is a milestone in what defines Canada. Even "Meech lake" was somthing Mulroney attempted to carry through. Nothing Mulroney or Harper or Diefenbaker ever did contributed to Canada at that level.
  134. Hmmmer ? from Canada writes: I predict this is only a test ad and that the Conservatives will measure the reaction of the average 'Joe the plumber'.

    Then they will move away from those ads as if they never happened.

    The personal attack on Ignatieff is Harper's doom!

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  135. Ella Bella25 from Toronto, Canada writes: Sanjay says: But WITHIN a democratic system, protecting "the common good" such as strong environmental laws to the degree that some want, would severely hurt the economy. We cannot "idealize" to the extent that poltical philosophy debates because such extremes cannot in reality be implemented without damaging some other vital interest.

    Just a few quick thoughts, then I'm going to bed...

    I feel as though our disagreement is a simple semantic issue. What you are referring to as "politics" (see above), I would refer to as "public policy"...In that case, you are absolutely right...philosophy does not tell us "what to think"...HOWEVER (and I'm sure based on your cognitive science background you can appreciate this) philosophy does provide us with some structure in terms of the critical thinking process...essentially it shows us "how to think." It teaches us the questions that we should be asking of ourselves and others. This is why I think (and Plato would agree with me here...as aforementioned by another commenter) a philosopher would make the best leader. We need someone who will ask the hard questions, of himself and his peers. We need someone who is metacognitively aware. I think we ought to give Iggy a chance...He's a LOT less slimy than Harper...
  136. Joe Canadian from Japan, Canada writes: So, I'm reading a book by Joseph Nye called "Soft Power". Nye is a former member of the Clinton administration. He cites, repeatedly in his book, "Canadian advocate [for human rights] Michael Ignatieff".

    Ignatieff is not only a brilliant Canadian, his values litterally represent us abroad. When he becomes Prime Minister, he will carry significant sway in the international community, which is exactly what Canadians demand in their leaders.
  137. Locke One from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sanjay, I will take the Philosopher King any time over the half-baked inept lowlife, dishonest, weak-kneed, discredited, so called lower-cased economist ... what's the problem, bro?
  138. First Name: Last Name: from Ellesmere Isle, Canada writes: Ian Gray from Canada wrote: Jacques Six-Pack, good God it has to be at least Jacques Twelve-Pack - 'I am Canadian!'
    .
    I think you guys are at least half a quart short. A true Canadian is a full 24. Jacques 24 would be more respectable.
  139. Glenn Chapman from Vancouver, Canada writes: I find it interesting how many posters think that Canadians who live outside the country are out of touch with Canada. But people, like me, who have spent a long time out of country know how much most Canadians there crave information about the homeland when away from it. I spent 10 years in Boston at an MIT lab and it was easy to keep up with Canadian events. I listened to Canadian news almost daily from the CBC (via shortwave then, easier now with the internet). University libraries (Harvard, MIT) carry Canadian papers and magazines. Indeed in Harvard Square, adjacent to where Ignatieff was, there is an international news stand that carries the Globe & Mail each day. Most Canadians I knew down there were as in touch about events here as those at home. When we talked to friends and family still here, or with other Canadians in Boston, discussions of events in Canada were common. Living outside of country makes one value Canada more: you can become more strongly Canadian than those who stay home. Probably that is why more than 50% of Canadians who move to the US eventually return to Canada: a much higher return rate than for any other land. I can certainly believe that Ignatieff kept well in touch with Canada: most that I knew did.
  140. Point Blank from Vancouver, Canada writes: Meanwhile....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBxSWRvhQPw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwarrenkinsella%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded
  141. North Star from Canada writes: If the Harper attack ad portrays Iggy as a worldly and educated man. leaving the contrast of Harper in stark relief.
  142. dave sharpe from Canada writes: harper toast, and he knows it, let the panic set in, will be an awesome thing to watch the pc's self destruct, and to think i voted for this clown, i apologize
  143. R B from Kingston, Jamaica writes: The Conservatives attack the intelligence and better instincts of Canadians with these ads. I have always thought this party looks for what divides and not what unites. Mean spirited and petty...that is the image I have of Conservatives. Hoping they get their walking papers soon. Stephen Harper is not in the same class as Michael Ignatieff. These ads would indicate that he knows this.
  144. Mooney Pilot from NOT Calgary!, Canada writes: The CONs are back in the gutter where they like to play.
    We have seen this low brow stuff before when they went after Dion. Will Canadians really be fooled again by their Neanderthal tactics?
  145. Bernard Lebrun from Gatineau, Canada writes: Negative adds by the Conservative turns me off since it's much to much like what the Republicans are famous for. Maybe Harper has been coached by the likes of Rush and Dick but this game is not for Canadians. Mr Ignatieff will survive such nasty adds and he will show Canadians how much superior he is compared to the degrading conservatives.
  146. rablais rabble from Canada writes: Harper committed a serious economic blunder by reducing the GST. He effectively crippled the federal treasury. He knew it was wrong for the country. Even Mulroney called him out on that. He kissed goodbye $12 billion per year in revenue.

    Harper is a man of principle, like all republicans. But he has overthrown all his economic principles (prudence, thrift, balanced budgets) at the behest of Guy Giorno to go over to the dark side. His new principle is "Stay in Power at any cost".

    this will be a dirty campaign. But Harper is no longer a conservative and must go. He has become Mike Harris, only worse.
  147. Hockey Guy from Canada writes: Country struggling with economic woes, top agenda item for conservatives? Infa-structure funding promised.. hm, they haven't even delivered what they promised on this from a few years ago..., nope, something much much more important for Conservatives, attack ads.

    Yup that will sit well with folks worrying about their jobs and families.... way to stand up for Canadians... Not. So I guess not only are Tory time hard times, they are desperate times as well...
  148. James C from Toronto, Canada writes: "Is it only us Conservative supporters that question his motives to come back after so many years?
    Why? It can't be for the love of his country, that's obviously not the reason."

    That's a fair question, but you should be careful--because it inevitably leads to the question of:

    "Why does Stephen Harper want to be PM?"

    If you ask Canadians which one of these two is more likely to be in it for the country, I think Iggy will probably win.
  149. Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: Harper Conservatives can't get the stimulus rolling, but they do have time to fit in negative ads on the opposition.

    Shameful leadership and no hope for those losing jobs.
  150. Louis Ostas from Woodbridge, Canada writes: Correction, they are all boneheads.
    Siver spoon Iggy made bonehead comments in the past and will rear that bonehead side as he realizes leadership that was presented on a silver platter is slipping away.
    Arrogance gets wacked into the boards straightened out at center ice and sent back to Europe with their tail between the legs I tell yah!
  151. gerhard beck from Canada writes: CRAP (Conservative Reform Alliance Party) ideology. Spread dirt and lies. Harpercrites only real job was in a mailroom after histime at the University of Calgary while Iggy taught a Harvard after Oxford. Glad to have him and his experience back in Canada.
  152. Ryan Ginger from Canada writes: Steele's column hits the nail on the head.

    You know Harper's campaign is going to flounder when their "attack" adds basically paint the opponent as being "too successful" - and not "one of us". Hey, way to go, Iggy!
  153. JustThinking of Canada from Canada writes: Right Winger (CON/Reform/Aliance supporter) from Canada writes: I'd like to hear Iggy answer ONE question honestly...why did you come back to be PM?
    Is it only us Conservative supporters that question his motives to come back after so many years?
    Why? It can't be for the love of his country, that's obviously not the reason

    _______________________

    Well, Harper first - he's lied and lied and misinformed so much he'll need a nose job.

    Shall we list Harper's lies for you? Would need a long piece of paper - several pages in fact.
  154. KT Ocean from Canada writes: Well, we all know why Harper is Prime Minister because he told us so himself:

    "We don't need a second Liberal party. Westerners, but especially Albertans, founded the Reform/Alliance to get "in" to Canada. The rest of the country has responded by telling us in no uncertain terms that we do not share their 'Canadian values.' Fine. Let us build a society on Alberta values."

    Only, who knew that Alberta values involved scattershot, wasted spending, massive deficits, continuous lying, no plan just attack ads, hypocrisy, massive and ridiculous partisan Senate appointments,.... Who knew?
  155. Swiminbuff In Toronto from Toronto, Canada writes: Saw one of the ads on tv last night and my first reaction was "My God, Harper is desparate". Are the Conservatives so devoid of intellectual integrity that theyhave to attempt to divide Canadians once again. I know they are stull using an old copy of the Carl Rove playbook but they seem to have missed the message of last November, that book doent work anymore. We want change and we what it now! Start packing Steve, you're going home soon.
  156. a l from Canada writes: Irony: Steve calling Ignatieff arrogant.
  157. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: For the record, I wouldn't vote for Gretzky or Gordie Howe for PM either.
    Those aren't really "attack ads" that we're seeing. What we're seeing, and it's obviously working because the libs are all shook up over it, is the reality of the situation. The reality that is Ignatieff left Canada and denounced his country. The reality...he considered himself American first and foremost.
    Those aren't attack ads, they are there to show us the real Micheal Ignatieff. Iggy the Yankee.
    No thanks, I want our PM to be a true Canadian, not someone that sees themselves as an American first and Canadian if the situation calls for it.
    And to all the Canadians living abroad, do you still call Canada home? Do you refer to yourself as Americans like Iggy did?
    Jim Carey said he's American for life, would you vote for him if he ran as a lib? Probably.
    So many libs ran Harper down saying he's a pawn for the Americans, and now the libs want an American PM...go figure.
  158. Michael Manning from Mississauga, Canada writes: Sassy Lassie from Canada writes: "We need legislation ensuring only . . . only Natural born citizens should be allowed to run for PM."

    Well, I guess that leaves out Sir John A. MacDonald!

    If you really prefer this chauvinistic form of government why don't you move to the U.S. where it is law. And why is it law, you ask? Because Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were desperately afraid that Alexander Hamilton might get to be president. Yup - a dirty piece of partisan politics, not some grand principle. Pretty much like your rant.
  159. mister doobulous from BRAMPTON ONTARIO KANATA, Canada writes: Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes:

    Finally admits to being a charter member of the CONEHEADS.
  160. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: Do attack ads work....well how many posts have responded to this article? Attack ads do work...we say we don't like them but they work. Look at the near rabid response from the Liberal supporters.

    Chretien painted Day as a religious freak out of touch...it worked.
    Martin painted Harper as having a hidden agenda...it worked.
    Harper painted Dion as weak and indescisive...it worked.
    Harper is now painting Iggy as a foriegn snob....time will tell if it worked. So far it looks like it is.
  161. paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes: The thing he missed most about Canada was Algonquin Park?

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    intentional misquote or just plain incompetence? Algonquin was ALL he
    missed about Canada. That's not quite the same thing now is it?
  162. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: James C
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    Spoken like a true blue lib sheep. The question I asked was for Iggy, and you managed to deflect it to Harper.
    Why, afraid of the answer Iggy might give?
    I see JustThinking has the same affliction, turn things around to Harper.
    What do you guys think Iggy's motivation is to come "home" after all those years to be king?
    Obviously we'll never get the truth from him, so I'd like to hear people's opinion on just WHY Iggy came here to run things.
    Like I said before, it certainly isn't for his love for Canada. What's his agenda? Is this his new hobby? A new quest to conquer? He got bored writing books?
  163. Joe Citizen from EVERYTOWN, Canada writes: MORE HARPER TRASH TALK.

    HOW PATHETIC.

    BANANA REPUBLIC NORTH.
  164. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: mister doobulous
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    Good one, you really got me with that!! I have a few questions for you.
    Did you think it up all by yourself, or did you get help with it?
    Am I supposed to be insulted now? Or do I just revel in the fact that you don't have the intelligence to engage in open discussion and resort to personal insults?
    Keep it up, I like to see what people with the mentality of a 13 year old have to say during an adult conversation.
  165. Make it Seven from Canada writes: Who has Mr Ignatieff lied to? Has he lied to the Americans, by saying he is American or has he lied to Canadians by saying he is Canadian?

    Maybe Mr Ignatieff is British?
  166. Mike Chamberlain from Canada writes: Teaching at Harvard is supposed to be a BAD thing? Jeez. I'm reeling.

    Harper's Conservatives are toast.
  167. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: Mike Chamberlain
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    Other than yourself and other lib supporters, who else said that teaching at Harvard was a bad thing?
    I don't recall ANYONE here saying that, so why would you bring it up?
  168. jeff Lewis from Guelph, Canada writes: By this twisted logic our troops are somehow unpatriotic for leaving our borders to work in Afghanistan.
  169. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: jeff Lewis
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    Only your twisted logic can come up with that.
    The troops are serving their country, when did Iggy ever do that?
  170. P P from Canada writes: Doesn't Harper have better things to spend our money on?
  171. Was Canadian from New York, United States writes: If foreign exposure and international experience is a bad thing in a nation's leader then, it follows, George W. Bush was going to make a great leader - limited foreign travel, and an "American" to the core.

    Good grief - if Canada is going follow the US but be a step behind, at least learn from their mistakes.
  172. vincent furnier from montreal, Canada writes: At this rate, the only ones voting for Harper next election will be Mable, Bubba, and a pen full of hogs.
  173. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: Was Canadian
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    Can you tell me then how Iggy's foreign exposure and international experience makes him PM material? Was he involved in foreign policy making during his time abroad? And was he involved with coming up with trade policies, as well?
    All he ever did was write books and hobnob with societies elite, hardly suitable qualifications for PM.
    I ask so many questions, but don't get any answers from the lib supporters.
  174. David K from Guelph, Canada writes: Why do the Conservatives appear to be afraid of intelligent people? They aim their ads at people who are anti-intellectual, they run campaigns on bumper sticker slogans, everything is black or white, us and them, the "war on (insert suitable item here)". One could suspect that they don't want us to be involved in any discussion that they can't simplify to a sound bite. I do not trust these people.
  175. vincent furnier from montreal, Canada writes: Was Canadian wrote: "Good grief - if Canada is going follow the US but be a step behind, at least learn from their mistakes. "
    ---------------------------------

    Don't worry, we won't--and we have.
  176. Tim N from Canada writes: Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    WHY is everyone getting so worked up about more attack ads?

    Has everyone forgotten about the Liberal attack ads?

    Remember, "soldiers in our cities" and "we just don't know" quotes that were appropriately and rightly parodied?

    How come I hear NO outrage about those things, hmmmm?
    =========================================
    Maybe because:

    1) Those adds were 4 years ago
    2) they were during an election campaign
    3)"soldiers in our cities" never aired on TV.
    4) They didn't work for Martin, did they?

    Personally, I could care less. To me it shows, that Harper has no interest in making this parliament work, re-enforces my opinion that he is in constant electioneering mode, and is obviously not interested in the real issues of what is happening today.

    What the Conservatives need to wake and realize is that if they spent half the effort on governing effectively than they do on attacking the Liberals, they most likely would have gotten their precious majority.
  177. Make it Seven from Canada writes: The Liberal supporters are worried about these adds and the "www.ignatieff.me" website, they are really showing their anger.

    The NDP, Bloc and Green supporters are delighted and are not complaining a bit.
  178. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Please tell me:

    Since when does teaching at HARVARD and teaching at OXFORD make someone suspicious??

    Where in the Western World??

    Only in Harper's neoconCanada.

    - = 1313
  179. Northern Boy from Canada writes: Right Winger (CON/Reform/Aliance supporter) from Canada writes: I'd like to hear Iggy answer ONE question honestly...why did you come back to be PM?
    Is it only us Conservative supporters that question his motives to come back after so many years?
    Why? It can't be for the love of his country, that's obviously not the reason.
    If ever there was an "Hidden agenda" in Ottawa, this is surely it.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Nothing Hidden Right Winger, He wants to be PM for the same reason every other politician wants to be PM. He wants the power and thinks He can do a better job than anyone else. No eyebrow raising there.
  180. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: Northern Boy
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    Was Iggy a politician before he came back and joined the LPC?
    If my memory serves me, he came back as a journalist then had aspirations to be lib king.
    The LPC is full of people that spent their lives in politics, serving their country/constituents to the best of their abilities. I don't recall Ignatieff ever doing that.
    I can't believe that so many people want an unproven American for PM. It's mind boggling.
    I'd vote for Layton, Dion, May or Duceppe before I waste my vote on Iggy. At least we know where their loyalties are.
  181. Listen up from Interior BC, Canada writes: So what if Iggy has spend a lot of time away from Canada. I simply means that he has none of the political inbreeding so prevalent in our political parties. Time for fresh liberal blood. After all, the Conservatives imported their platform from the US neocons. Look what that did for the US liberals!
  182. Have No Faith in Conservatives from Canada writes: So funny------So by Harper and the CPC's logic, the soldiers in Afghanistan who have been there for eight years are not real Canadians either...They haven't lived here, so they must be evil....

    Harper and his cheerleaders are a joke if they think this type of stuff will work...How is being a successful Canadian a bad thing......

    Perhaps Mr. Ignatieff should have worked for a political think-tank and as a political assitance for all those years...As apparently never having a ral job makes you more qualified to run the country...

    Last point: It took Harper 14 YEARS to get his Masters in economics...LOL, what a joke loser he is....
  183. Ghost ly from Canada writes: Nice to know that since I live and work outside of Canada, I'm not actually a REAL Canadian.
  184. Tom Smith from Ottawa, Canada writes: What is the big deal about being gone and teaching at Harvard. Two people that I grew up with and went to school with in a small, rural North Western town have gone on to teach at Harvard. One of them is still there and the other is now back and Teaching in Toronto. I would absolutely trust either of them to run this country before I'd trust another political hack to take the reigns again.

    Hmmmn, smart, stylish, open minded and worldly or narrow minded, divisive and punitive. Now that's a tough choice.
  185. J M M from Canada writes: Ignatieff ( the accidental tourist in Canada) says he knows Canada but couldn't tell how many time zones there are in Canada. He could care less about Canada he only wants to destroy Canada as leader of a very messed up party. "Higher Taxes to start." Heaven help us !!!
  186. 5and man from Toronto, Canada writes: SERIOUSLY.
    Can someone tell me what has Steven Harper accomplished since he's been PM?
  187. KT Ocean from Canada writes: "Can someone tell me what has Steven Harper accomplished since he's been PM?"

    As promised, he brought in fixed election date legislation as the key part of electoral reform - the other key part was no more Senate appointments - so that no Prime Minister would be able to call an election again for partisan gain.
  188. J M M from Canada writes: Sand man--A great deal but you Liberals would dispute that. At least the Conservatives didn't steal millions of money from the Canadian rtax payers--SERIOUSLY
  189. KT Ocean from Canada writes: Even though I was born here, I studied and worked in the US for 12 years. Does that mean Harper will give all my tax money back because I am not a real Canadian?
  190. K S from Recipro City, Canada writes: IMO Harper's major flaw here is that again and again he mistakes US tradition for Canadian tradition, Republican ideals for Conservative ideals, and most importantly he mistakenly assumes what works in Alberta, that bastion of US brown-nosing, will work in the rest of Canada. He appears to believe, as do some on this board, that because the US has nurtured over the years a culture of mistrust and hatred of anyone intelligent by calling them 'elites' and 'arrogant', this can somehow be grafted onto Canadian culture. His supporters seem amazed and disappointed that this doesn't work in most of the country, which also explains why they constantly moan about the deficiencies of Canada and how it is so much better in the US. The article made me laugh, especially the part about how Canadians always vote in the b@stard. How funny, and how true.
  191. KT Ocean from Canada writes: Actually, the Conservatives used an in and out scheme to increase the public funding for their party beyond which it was legally entitled to. They submitted altered invoices to claim more taxpayer money. Of course, Harper turned around and sued the government agency responsible for ensuring that our electoral laws are followed, as he typically does whenever evidence of his wrongdoings surface.
  192. Right Winger (CON/Reform/Alliance supporter) from Canada writes: K S from Recipro City
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    Most of the country? Then please explain why Iggy only has 35% support? Hardly "most of the country". It barely beats Dion's support at his best.
    Wishful thinking on your part.

    KT Ocean
    *********************************

    Do you call yourself an "American"? If you do, then you're no more Canadian than Bush is.
  193. Dwayne Vick from Canada writes: No party has done more to divide Canada than the Liberal party and it all started with Trudeau and the NEP and the sytematic rape of western Canada and particularily Alberta.
    Chretien said he didn't really understand western Canada and spent little time trying to win any support in the west and then signed onto the Kyoto Accord which was hopelessly flawed, since it didn't have the signature of the worlds two biggest contributors, but to no surprise would essentially rape western Canada again, if implemented. Fortunately his brain cramp subsided and he decided to back off when realising the damage that would be done to the economy.
    Then along comes Dion with his Carbon Tax scheme, the cost of which would be borne 40 % by just two provinces, Alberta and Saskatchewan of western Canada.
    With policies like these, is it any wonder that the Fed. Libs have become almost an extinct species in the west. Hell, they may as well just change their name to the " RAPE WESTERN CANADA PARTY ".
    Now we have Ignatieff, who is trying enamour himself to western Canada but he reminds me of someone who would be more at home in a Dracula movie and the west has had enough blood sucked out of it by Liberal governments.
  194. David Campbell from Toronto, Canada writes: I'd vote for Iggy- if he represented the Conservative Party. The crushing problem with all federal parties in this country, is that they can make any promise to get elected- once in, there is no way to force them to keep those promises. (The Liberanos are noted for broken promises- which tells you all you want to know, about the voters' attention spans.)
  195. Kesuke Miyagi from Canada writes: A few questions...

    Did Ignatieff come back to Canada just to be Prime Minister?

    Would he hang around as an MP or Leader of the Opposition if the Liberals lose the next election?

    Is there really a teaching spot waiting for him at Harvard if his "Canadian Experiment" doesn't pan out?

    Is there mention at all by Ignatieff in any his books, essays, columns, or interviews that he wanted and desired to be the Prime Minister of Canada or simply a politician of his birth country?

    Has Ignatieff voted in more British and American federal elections than he has voted in Canadian federal elections?
    And why did Ignatieff call himself an American in that video clip?

    Ignatieff definitely seems cosmopolitan. It would just make it so much easier if he seemed more Canadian.
  196. B R from GTA, Canada writes: Michael Ignatieff : 28 years in Canada and 34 years overseas as a Harvard Professor. Also wrote well over 10 books.

    James Moore : 28 years in Canada , Youngest Cabinet Minister in Harper's Cabinet. No overseas experience no significant contacts overseas.

    I rest my case.

    Liberals, even a $ 10 contribution will help your Party.
  197. P. B. from Canada writes: Surprised the Conservatives were able to restrain themselves for so long. Strange, being the governing party, one would expect them to talk about their accomplishments, where they want to go next. Guess it's tough - "no recession", "no deficit" to name two major failures in their record, credibility. So, we get another round of personalized Republican-style attack ads. If these guys aren't doing this to Opposition members, they even do it to their own kind (usually from the Progressive Conservative wing) who have fallen out of favour - Alan Riddell and Bill Casey come to mind. Casey's situation was particulary disturbing - one of the most decent, principled politicians I can think of - being forced to defend his integrity, just before retirement, against a personal CPC attack. What a sick, sick political culture within that party. I've had enough; we'll see if other voters feel the same way and finally turf these guys.
  198. Bob Marley from Canada writes: This arrogant douche has been taking shots at the Conservatives since day one. Now they fire back and everybody feigns offense........grow up
  199. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Ella Bella25 from Toronto, Canada writes:

    This is why I think (and Plato would agree with me here...as aforementioned by another commenter) a philosopher would make the best leader.

    We need someone who will ask the hard questions, of himself and his peers. We need someone who is metacognitively aware. I think we ought to give Iggy a chance...He's a LOT less slimy than Harper...

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    I agree with you in principle. But you need to keep something in mind. Plato's notion of a perfect benevolent philosopher-king is an ideal that we'd be hard pressed to find real-world examples of. I don't think there are any, and Ignatieff is certainly NOT one of them.

    Furthermore, such a leader was expected to have authority that flies in the face of democracies as we know them.

    There is a figure with whom Plato debated ... Thrasymachus? Who said "rule in your own interest" which unfortunately is a more realistic take on how politics works.

    As for hard questions and hard answers, I don't think Iggy has a plan.
  200. Bob Marley from Canada writes: P. B. from Canada writes: Surprised the Conservatives were able to restrain themselves for so long. Strange, being the governing party, one would expect them to talk about their accomplishments, where they want to go next. Guess it's tough - "no recession", "no deficit" to name two major failures in their record,
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    I hate to break it to ya, but the recession is a GLOBAL event in response to the American mortgage meltdown.Every country now is running a deficit to combat this GLOBAL recession.
    Lying about it and trying to blame the Conservatives for this WORLDWIDE recession will not work. Nice try though
  201. Allen G traveller from BobcaygeonMazatlan, Canada writes: Let's face it !
    Steele is correct.
    Canadians never look at substance, it's always about show.
    Michael Valpry, a colleague of count Iggy's clearly pointed out that Ignatieff was recruited by the Liberal party to return to Canada, to become P.M.

    And he will.

    Perhaps not a majority government, but he will be crowned P.M.
    He will be very effective in a majority government, but,
    will that happen ?
    So, the question remains, how will he perform in a minority position?

    Let me see, no business experience, fairly new to politics, and his personal history is at best, odd.
    Would we hire such a person to run a financial corporation ?
    No.
  202. P. B. from Canada writes: Bob Marley from Canada writes: This arrogant douche has been taking shots at the Conservatives since day one....
    ===================================================== The Liberals have been critical of the Conservative government's record, something one would expect from an Oppositions party and given some of the government's actions. This is a very big difference from the personalized attacks against an individual as practised by Harper and his party whether it be directed at Dion and, now, Ignatieff (and others). The CPC style of politics is pure trash, utterly offensive. Americans recognized that this style was passé last election; hope it happens here.
  203. P. B. from Canada writes: Bob Marley from Canada - "Lying about it " - that is what is offensive about Harper's record - First, pretty obvious the oncoming recession was why Harper broke his own fixed-date legislation to call an early election. "Lying about it" - "it" being the oncoming recession - during the election campaign kinda shakes one faith in Harper - if he lies, misleads? the public about this, what else? Then second, given the nature of the recession, even as it appeared in late November, to put out an economic statement that suggested surpluses was another absolute lie. Most commentators treated this as a joke, having little credibility. So, if you can grasp this - I do not blame Harper for the recession or the deficit. I condemn him for his lying about them initially to the public. (They are either lies or gross incompetence.) And for his deafness, slowness to respond when others had already been calling for action.
  204. hangin right from Van, Canada writes: ah yes the 'bonehead' Harper is so arrogant that he has reduced himself to an incompetent fool without a plan.

    Harpers attack on Iggy is Backfiring, big time.

    Oh well , what can say about a childish PM who doesn't have any kind of international experience before taking the top job through manipulation and lies and misinformation and pretends to be an economist ?
  205. A True Politicaljunkie in Canada from Ottawa, Canada writes: Well if you don't like the ads, go visit www.ignatieff.me.
  206. Niki Leonard-Smith from Ottawa, Canada writes: Dear Mr Cyrus Ravage from Overtaxed Ontario,

    If everyone with a foot in the issue is doing such a terrible job, why don't you join the ranks? You seem to know more and you certainly sound as if you feel you could do better...so why don't you? Get off your chair and step up to the challenge... and by the way... Cyrus Ravage doesn't sound all that Canadian!
  207. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    You know, for all the claimed support the Liberals say they have, why is it that they had to go outside of Canada to find someone to lead their party?

    As I recall, Stephane Dion is also a French passport holder.

    And now they are trying to install a Harvard academic outside of Canada for over 30 years as a PM.

    Is there a reason they have to go so far afield to find someone to lead them?

    I'm fairly sure that unless Iggy is a much more agile and astute thinker in the political arena, he will get crushed in any future televised debate.

    Place your bets when the time comes, people.

    And if Iggy loses, I think it will be safe to say that the Liberals fire will be extinguished for a very long time.

    Even in the best case, I don't expect anything more than a very weak Liberal minority and then the partisan infighting will begin again between the NDP, Bloc, and the Liberals, as each tries to siphon votes from the others.
  208. Bill Woodcock from Canada writes: Cyrus Ravage from Overtaxed Ontario, Canada writes: Last time Ignatieff was a true Canadian resident the Microwave oven was being introduced... He's no Canadian if you ask me & as such he certainly doesn't deserve to run our country.
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    Would this also apply to armed services personell. My cousin was stationed in England for nearly 30 years and made few trips back to Canada, usually for weddings or funerals. He was every bit as Canadian as you are Cyrus.....
  209. Cyrus Ravage from Overtaxed Ontario, Canada writes: Dear Niki-Leonard Smith,

    Thank you for the suggestion. I am in fact confident I could do a better job than the sorry choices we have currently, simply by handing the country's finances over to a common-sense housewife. Imagine actually living within your means, what an absurd concept, eh?!

    Unfortunately for you and the rest of Canadian voters, I am currently very occupied in the private sector. This is where you need guys like me, however, to fund your welfare system & schools & obesity clinics, etc.

    So you see, I'm very busy, sorry. You'll just have to choose between the foreigner, the coward or the socialist, or as I said, send your NFG message by trashing your ballot.
  210. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    No election until the Bloc and NDP say so.

    End of freaking story.
  211. Honesty is the best Policy from Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    No election until the Bloc and NDP say so.

    End of freaking story.
    _______________________________

    Nice to see you separatists supporting each other.

    Oh.. by the way what did you intend calling your new country after your armed revolt?
  212. Lynn Pelletier from Canada writes: Bill Woodcock from Canada writes: Cyrus Ravage from Overtaxed Ontario, Canada writes: Last time Ignatieff was a true Canadian resident the Microwave oven was being introduced... He's no Canadian if you ask me & as such he certainly doesn't deserve to run our country.
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    Would this also apply to armed services personell. My cousin was stationed in England for nearly 30 years and made few trips back to Canada, usually for weddings or funerals. He was every bit as Canadian as you are Cyrus.....

    Big difference, your cousin was in the service to his country. Iggy was in the service to himself.
  213. Elmo Harris from Niagara, Canada writes: It took Steve 8 years to finish his masters degree in a subject he has yet to be employed in. Other than working as a mail room boy, Steve has never really worked in the real world. He has worked for a lobby group and has been in the public purse ever since. He has written no books. He has spoken a lot about how he hates Canada, however. He has said quite a few things that should make any normal person's blood curdle. Things like he wants to see fear in the eyes of anyone before he hires them. Also, "when I am through with Canada, you won't recognize it".
  214. hangin right from Van, Canada writes: it is rather interesting that Harper who repeatedly slammed Canada and put the country down for helping its people , chooses to attack someone with some worldly education, experience and intelligence who actually cares about taking care of the people in Canada.

    something tells me Harper is extrememly jealous of Iggy and his ability and intelligence and love for the country and dedication since Harper has a nasty habit of wanting fight Canadians and not help them, and has history of deliberately screwing the country and people over to cater to some ideologically driven rightwing Bushian agenda that doesn't care about the people and prefers to keep the country stuck in a combat mode .

    yeah, I think little Angryboy Stevie Harper is tad bit upset that he is a failure and has done nothing while others are working to build unity and respect for the people.
    Stevie just hates it when he gets questioned and challenged and backed into a corner.
    He is a tad bit upset that people are calling him on his bullshit games and crap that is designed to tear apart the country.
  215. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Look, its becoming more and more obvious that there is some kind of prion disease gnawing away on the brains of many of the posters here.

    Their memories of the last few years of Conservative government seems to be eroding really fast.

    Lets see here...

    GST is reduced (never mind whether you think its good or bad) - promise kept.

    Apology for Chinese Head Tax

    Apology for First Nations abuse at schools

    Softwood Lumber dispute settled (after years of Liberal stalling)

    Money for military long made to suffer under Liberal cuts

    Rescue of Brenda Martin (whiny creature, but not a terrorist)

    Leaving Omar Khadr to rot (if you want him back, go get him yourself)

    Tough on Crime legislation (you want to hug a thug, vote Liberal)

    Declaring Quebec a "nation within a united Canada" to outfox the Bloc

    Improving Immigration standards to suit Canada's needs, rather than the other way round.

    Money for Quebec to correct fiscal imbalance (only to be screwed by them later)

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    Not bad for 3 years vs. 13 Liberal years of nothing.
  216. Thomas Hinton from Canada writes: Actually, Harper has been on the cover of a few magazines: Mailboy Monthly of course, then there's Wester Lying, S-Liar and, not to be forgotten, Canadian Home WorkStop. Also, since he'll soon be looking for a new job, he might consider copying (god forbid) Billy Carter and come out with his own brand of beer, how 'bout Bully Beer or Belly Beer.
  217. Rolly Bettse from West Porcupine, Canada writes: Stop focusing on Harper, P.M.

    Concentrate on our leader, Michael Ignatieff. Harper is a commoner, a working class type.
    We need a world class aristocrat to be our leader, someone who has traveled, written and is well read.
    We need someone who the working class can respect, call him Count Ignatieff, or even Iggy if you must.
    His appearance and bearing are obviously superior to the common man.
  218. Sanjay Singh from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Thomas Hinton from Canada writes: Actually, Harper has been on the cover of a few magazines: Mailboy Monthly of course, then there's Wester Lying, S-Liar and, not to be forgotten, Canadian Home WorkStop. Also, since he'll soon be looking for a new job, he might consider copying (god forbid) Billy Carter and come out with his own brand of beer, how 'bout Bully Beer or Belly Beer.

    ===

    Why are you staring at men's bellies? Get counselling buddy.

    Paul Martin apparently had quite a belly on him, but we don't hear anything from you about that.

    Stop being so bellicose.

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