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Balsillie's offer shows he's back with a vengeance

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

RIM co-CEO shows he's not easily deterred with a third attempt to buy an NHL franchise ...Read the full article

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  1. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Bizarre to read that Gary Bettman seems to still be actively opposing Jim Balsillie's ownership of a NHL franchise even though this franchise has filed for bankruptcy...

    Good luck to Jim Balsillie and his future ownership of a NHL franchise...

    Bettman seems to be clearly past his due date...

    Slanted Math
  2. Cassandra from Ottawa from Canada writes: I wondered how long it would take for Brunt to be on here waving the pom pom's for Balsiliie again.
  3. Steve Smith from Toronto, Canada writes: Bring the team to southern Ontario. I'd don't go to leaf games but I'd see the new team. Bettman needs to get his head on straight. The area can easily support two teams. We need more team in Canada. Enough it enough with Canadians supporting border teams like Buffalo and Detroit.
  4. Ted Parkinson from Kitchener, Canada writes: Cassandra: other than dissing Brunt for no apparent reason, what's your point?
  5. Rabidsenses > from Good gawd, a latte-swilling Westerner, Canada writes:

    This is fantastic BUSINESS and LEGAL theatre, and that which perhaps comes closest to the hearts of all Canadians.

    One question I'm dying to ask:

    ---> Why oh why does everyone, including the media, tip-toe around Gary Bettman?????

    Why do we all appear to fear this man? And if this the reality of the situation then how does he justify his office?
  6. Doktor David from Gwangyang-si, Korea, Rep. of writes: Well, finally, patience has apparently begun to win out. This is far from over and many a law firm will become rich over this protracted and far from necessary fight. Too bad - all I want to do is watch some hockey.

    To the victor go the spoils - let the fight begin

    Cheers! (used under license)
  7. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Good Gawd writes :

    "Why do we all appear to fear this man [Bettman] ?"

    Good question...

    However, the bigger question here for many NHL fans may turn out to be ?

    How do we get rid of this man ?

    Slainte Mhath
  8. Rabidsenses > from Good gawd, a latte-swilling Westerner, Canada writes:

    If Canadian culture were a science fiction comic book then Gary Bettman would undoubtedly be DARTH VADER.

    Care to offer up a worse villain?
  9. Jordan W from Montreal, Canada writes: As a lifelong Jets fan, I am extremely happy to hear that that franchise may be making its way north once again!

    Go Balsille!
  10. Flat Earth from Canada writes: Bettman is just a Napoleon lite. Yes smaller even than the French guy.

    I agree that bettman is past his due date. Let's get someone else and move forward. He is becoming a joke who is diminishing the NHL.

    Go Jim Go. You rule.
  11. Huey Freeman from Mississauga, Canada writes: Make it seven.ca and are the same people who put money down on the Hamilton franchise signing up to get disappointed again when the NHL says no. Bettman and Daly will never let this happen and this will be a knock them down drag them out fight. I must admit Balsillie playing a mean game of poker lets see what hand Bettman will play.

    It funny seeing every hockey fan making requests on where the hockey team should go...Hamilton, Mississauga, Waterloo, Vaughn, Winnipeg, Atlantic Canada. Sheesh are you people so gullible you will fall for this again????
  12. bagoverhead guy from Canada writes: Rabidsenses and R. Miller are on target about Bettman...this economy, particularly in the U.S., may be our trump card in shaking loose the weaklings in the NHL for which Bettman will have no answer. Hopefully he and the weaklings disappear to allow a new, re-vitalized league with more Canadian franchises.
  13. Rabidsenses > from Good gawd, a latte-swilling Westerner, Canada writes:

    I mean, look at it this way:

    Here's Jim Balsillie, a man whose face says he's just a peach, innocently and pro-actively reaching out across hockey fan-dom and saying that the right thing to do would be to move this team to Canada.

    He puts together a website where ordinary Canadians can participate in offering their support.

    Suddenly it's David vs. Goliath . . . except the Canadian version thereof.

    Win or lose, Balsillie wins this round because he, and moreover the rationale that he (and actually ALL of us!) are following is of the higher ground. He has taken this thing to the grassroots as much as the backrooms filled with lawyers, but overall his marketing will play (rightfully so) to the genuine love of the game and the right thing to do.

    And whether he wins or loses, Bettman still loses. Bettman really cannot win this either way. He's gotta look at the context!
  14. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Rumour on Winnipeg radio stations today. Tampa Bay owners were talking about moving their team to Winnipeg.

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    Huey Freeman from Mississauga, Canada writes: Make it seven.ca and are the same people who put money down on the Hamilton franchise signing up to get disappointed again when the NHL says no. Bettman and Daly will never let this happen and this will be a knock them down drag them out fight. I must admit Balsillie playing a mean game of poker lets see what hand Bettman will play.
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    Big difference this time Huey.

    Phoenix owner has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

    This will be up to the courts to decide. (US courts at that). Someone will have to better Balsillies offer by 5m to out bid him.

    Once the sale goes through it will be up to the NHL (Bettman) to go to court to stop Balsillie from moving the team.

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    Great article Brunt.

    Cheers
  15. Gary Dare from Portland, Oregon, Canada, writes: By the way, Bettman's problem may have not been Balsillie wanting to move a team to Southern Ontario but relocation, period ... Paul Allen tried three times to buy and move a team into his Rose Garden arena in Portland, Oregon (Pens in 1999, Coyotes in 2001, Ducks in 2003). Allen has since lost interest and has other fires to fight ...
  16. Rabidsenses > from Good gawd, a latte-swilling Westerner, Canada writes:

    I've used the term "petulant" several times in 2009 but I've now decided that all previous usages should be struck from the record as a whole new definition (read: face) appears beside that word.
  17. Shades of Grey from Whitehorse, Canada writes: Bettman has staked his reputation on the survival of teams in the U.S. sunbelt. Moving a team to the "protected" market of southern Ontario would cause him and the league all sorts of problems, and be a clear indication that he has lost. It would also further weaken other southern teams by increasing the minimum salary. And their markets have no interest in a team from Hamilton. On the other side of the line are governers who are tired of propping up the Coyotes and the NHLPA. This is going to be a heck of a battle. I agree with the posters who say whatever happens, Bettman can't win. Though, knowing Bettman, he'd rather have a Russian Oligarch than Balsilie.
  18. sam kohen from kingston, Canada writes: I am from Quebec City.

    For 15 years we had a team in the NHL, the Nordiques which had among the highest attendance in the NHL despite having a dreadful team. In 1995 the team owners gave a list of demands to the Government which was clearly extortion. The Premier flatly rejected these demands, so the owners sold the team to a group in Colorado which then moved the team to Denver (the Colorado Avalanche) and 8 months won the Stanley Cup, and repeated in 2001.

    What must be mentionned is that Mr Gary Bettman DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to keep the team in Quebec despite them recording regular sellouts with an awful team. In fact he rushed the move so that a new schedule and divisional relignment was done in record time. Even more infuriating, Denver had already had a team, the Colorado Rockies (New Jersey Devils) which had just failed. Now they were getting a second chance, as would Atlanta, Minnesota and soon Kansas City. Would we get a second chance, having loyally supported a horrible team for 15 years. As for the Colorado Avalanche, now that they are a last place team, their attendance has dropped to a level never seen in Quebec during their lean seasons. They would be welcomed back in Quebec with open arms with no hard feelings.

    The question that must now be asked with the Phoenix-Hamilton affair, will Mr Bettman act as he did with Quebec-Colorado WHERE HE DID NOTHING, or with Nashville-Hamilton where he worked diligently in order to keep the Predators in Tennessee so that the people in Nashville can hold onto their dear, beloved, precious Predators. This more then anything else will serve as a true indication of Mr Bettmans feelings and attitudes to Canada.

    Sam Kohen
    Kingston
    Ontario
  19. I, Alafrate from Canada writes: Haw, haw, haw!

    I quite like that makeitseven.ca uses the Coyotes colour scheme. Such cheek! And flair! And panache! I happily entered my postal code into the website.

    I wonder if it has any impact on where in Southern Ontario Ballsillie is hoping to land the team? I wonder if M-postal codes (Toronto) make any more difference than L-postal codes (905) do? If he gets that team here, I might just buy a Blackberry.

    Bettman has got to see the light eventually. Phoenix is a total sham, a top-down bad idea. With the amount of money that gets pumped in, we're already supporting the team economically up here, we might as well get to see them play some home games in the vicinity.

    There's a great article on cbssports.com about Charles Wang, who says he wishes he never bought the Islanders in 2000. I'm sure Uncle Gary would like a new sandbox for those boys, also. Glad to see the league thriving there, GB!

  20. P C from Toronto, Canada writes: I'm glad to see that the little twerp may have met his match finally. Please please please bring professional hockey (and hockey management) back to Southern Ontario. I'm no fan of the Leafs, but I'll instantly be a fan of a team that will try to win, rather than collect revenues from sweaters and Domi-related retirement events. Laughable. Or is that Leafable?
  21. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Great post Sam Kohen
    Kingston
    Ontario

    Cheers
  22. Jeffrey 93 from Canada writes: Huey Freeman...you sound like a writer for the Hamilton Spectator....Scott Radley I think his name is.

    I'll have to check out that site soon to see how he is twisting this into a terrible thing for Hamilton and how he is trying to rally everyone to not visit www.makeitseven.ca to show their support.

    The Nashville thing was dirty pool played by Bettman....I can't see him getting away with that again...especially now that the US courts are going to pick who owns the team.

    This was a good play by Balsillie. Now not only does he have to follow a set of rules...so does Bettman. I don't think a bankrupcty judge will enter into any backroom deals with Bettman to sell the team to somebody else for less money. Do you??
  23. Bryan V from Canada writes: If Bettman manages to rebuff Balsillie this third time, and finds some creative way to keep a franchise in a failed market, I think Balsillie should give up his bid for team ownership for a while, and instead, vie for Bettman's job.

    He won't have the delusions that Bettman holds, insisting that these small US markets are hockey-viable. He'll understand that the best thing for the league is to put franchises in markets that will fill the stands, pay their bills, and make a profit.

    If this deal does go through, you'll see another 3 franchises relocate north of the border within a decade. The increase in salary cap from the biggest loser in the NHL becoming one of the most profitable will put a number of other teams into Chapter 11. Hopefully we'll see teams in Quebec and Winnipeg again, and maybe Halifax.
  24. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Shades of Grey from Whitehorse, Canada writes :

    "Bettman can't win. Though, knowing Bettman, he'd rather have a Russian oligarch than Balsillie."

    Interesting comments...

    I agree that this is a battle that Balsillie will win in the long run...

    Balsillie seems to have the high road...

    Let's get ready to rumble !

    Slainte Mhath
  25. tommy marks from glendale az, United States writes: Gary Bettman is great. Thank-you Gary for keeping the Phoenix Coyotes in Phoenix. We have a great young team with a horrible coach and worse ex-owner. Our young team with Upshaw, Lombardi, Mueler, Boeds, Lisen will make the playoffs next year if we can get a real coach. You can have WG back...we don't want him as a coach. So be a hater if you must but the Yotes will not die....Nice try Canucks!
  26. Pamphleteer . from Canada writes: lol, bettman's head is exploding right about now, i can imagine. this should fun to watch over the coming few weeks.
  27. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Tommy Marks from Glendale AZ,

    It's not that Canadians don't like your city/state/team....

    It's just that they feel ripped off with their teams moving south. According to people I have met in Winnipeg ... they are still Jets (Phoenix) fans after all these years.

    Most of those fans have been to at least one game in Arizona and suggest you have the best (most beautiful) arena in the league.

    They also suggest that the fans that are there are passionate.

    Consensus is that the only problem with the Phoenix market is the location of the arena. (Sound familiar Ottawa? Islanders?)

    Believe me Tommy Marks... you are only feeling a wee bit of the pain felt by Winnipeg and Quebec City fans.

    Cheers
  28. Chris Michaels from Canada writes: This is awesome. While no one is getting their hopes up prematurely, there are a lot of grins in Hammertown tonight!!

    Go Jimmy Go!
  29. Gary Dare from Portland, Oregon, Canada, writes: I'll make a wild prediction ... there will be an exchange of hostages and Jim Balsillie will end up with the Buffalo Sabres, who can be moved across the border when their HSBC Arena lease expires in 2011 (?). No need to pay indemnity to the Leafs. (:
  30. Huey Freeman from Mississauga, Canada writes: Hey Guys I just am being real here. Mr. Bettman knows if the Coyotes go his house of cards will start to fall also his dream of making the NHL a viable US coast to coast league will shatter. Bettman knows if the Coyotes go it could trigger all the weak franchises in the bad markets in the US to follow. Islanders,Panthers,Predators could be next and the other markets you think are fine are having struggles I heard the other day that the Hurricanes had over 2'000 empty seats for a playoff game against the Devils. Don't get me wrong their are good hockey US expansion markets that worked like San Jose and Columbus. Bettman will never admit that hockey is not working in the US...from the free tv deals with NBC to that horrible Versus cable contract to the owners go bankrupt it not a good time.

    The last thing I want to say are you shocked you have not heard a word from the Great One??? Fact is his family are probably in great fear that this happens and they have to live in Canada. Face it Gretzky is happy to be in Phoenix and does not want to face the scrutiny of a knowledgeable Canadian hockey market questioning his hockey decisions.
  31. Steve I'm Not an Alberta Redneck from Calgary, Canada writes: Something needs to be done to force the league to bring a hockey team to Toronto. The current business operating under the cover of providing professional hockey is a fraud that could only succeed in TO, where the fans are so completely clueless. When they see a real team, the Leaf's owners will quickly be charged like Bernie Madoff. New ownership will be needed to put hockey players on the ice.
  32. Puneet Bakshi from Oakville, writes: I think this is a brilliant move by Balsillie. By going the bankruptcy route, he's guaranteed to obtain the team via the highest bidder route as I'm sure the judge will side with the fact that ALL of the creditors will be repayed.

    Once he secures ownership of the team, he can do what Al Davis already did in the US and sue the NFL when they tried to block him from moving the team. In fact he can use the precedence from that case! Court junction in hand, it's only a matter of time before we have a team in Southern Ontario.

    PeeBee
  33. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Steve I'm Not an Alberta Redneck from Calgary, Canada writes: Something needs to be done to force the league to bring a hockey team to Toronto. The current business operating under the cover of providing professional hockey is a fraud that could only succeed in TO, where the fans are so completely clueless. When they see a real team, the Leaf's owners will quickly be charged like Bernie Madoff. New ownership will be needed to put hockey players on the ice.

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    Oh I should so probably let this go.... but.

    Not an Alberta redneck... my you sure type like one.... did you get help from you puppy writing that post?

    The current business (MLSE) is successful enough to pay for big time management, big time scouting and big time development.

    They are in a position to deny or charge big time for Balsillie to put another team in the GTA/Golden Horseshoe.

    My bet... as a long time leaf fan who actually saw them win the cup more than once... and a season ticket holder...

    MLSE won't stand in the way... they are having enough problems with the public's perception of them.

    Cheers
  34. Carl Hansen from Canada writes: What if you're a big Jets hockey fan living in the frozen wasteland and you just bought your dream retirement home, a foreclosure, in Phoenix and now all your dreams are about to be crushed? This is not fair.
  35. The Dude from Calgary, Canada writes: This is awesome.

    I love the way Balsille keeps facewashing Bettman. I'm not a Bettman hater but I do really dislike his resistance to killing/moving some of the US franchises.

    I think the league would be way better off without some of the dud franchises (Atlanta, Florida, Phoenix, Tampa Bay) particularly if the contraction resulted in fewer regular season games and an earlier end to the playoffs.

    Hopefully Balsille gets the Phoenix franchise, moves it, and puts lots of butts in the seats. wrt to Wayner as coach - loved him as a player but I don't think he should have started his coaching career in the NHL. Get a seasoned coach in there and I think they'll get over the hump.
  36. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Carl Hansen from Canada writes: What if you're a big Jets hockey fan living in the frozen wasteland and you just bought your dream retirement home, a foreclosure, in Phoenix and now all your dreams are about to be crushed? This is not fair.
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    Oh wow.. if that is true (and I have no reason to think it isn't).

    That sucks.

    Downsize the house. Upgrade the TV and Satellite.
    Enjoy 12 months of golf... I know I would.

    Cheers
  37. Carl Hansen from Canada writes: It's not true Scott. I was just giving Bettman some ideas for defence. Think of those poor Jets fans.

    PB has it right I think, and Jim B is a genius. Bettman will not win.
  38. Jeffrey 93 from Canada writes: I wonder where in Southern Ontario Balsillie has in mind? Hmmm...what's that? The agreement to purchase Copps Coliseum and Hamilton Place when Balsillie acquires an NHL franchise to relocate to Hamilton has been revived? Interesting!

    Since the city has made it very clear they will not be a temporary locale while a new arena is built elsewhere...I think the question of where has been answered.

    I can't believe Moyers(sp.?) is saying that this should be settled by June 30th so the new owner and league will know where the Coyotes will be playing next season. Could the Coyotes really get shipped up to Copps Coliseum for NEXT season?!?!

    We could be 150 days away from NHL hockey in HAMILTON!!

    GOOD LUCK JIM!! AND THANKS!!
  39. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Jeffrey 93:

    Hamilton puts him in a position to take on both Toronto and Buffalo on court challenged territory things.

    An arena on RIM land .... just off the 401 and between Cambridge and Kitchener is outside all territories.

    Cheers
  40. Just the Facts, Jack from Canada writes: The future of the NHL remains in Canada. Europe is not the answer, and nothing will unseat football or baseball or basketball south of the border. The focus should continue to be on player development in the OHL, QMJHL and WHL, and increasing the number of Canadian franchises while drawing down the number of US franchises. The game is at a crossroads and needs new leadership. Decisions are no longer being made in the best interests of the game. Time for change.
  41. Dave Coyote from Scottsdale,AZ, United States writes: Ok, so i just registered and used the clever user name. But seriously I do live in Arizona and came to this site to understand some of your local views. I'm not here to pick a fight with anyone or debate whether Canada should get another team. I for one think Quebec should still have a team and any other city that makes sense. There are passionate fans here in Arizona and the problem with no support is no playoffs for last 7 seasons, an arena although awsome,all the way on the outskirts of town. People can leave work from the East Valley or Scottsdale for a weeknight game and sit in traffic and maybe miss drop of the puck. When the Coyotes where in downtown Phoenix at America West, it was a fun and loud atmosphere. Great pre-game parties. They put a live band in at the end ice that had obstructed views. I had season tickets 20 rows up on the blue line for about $50 a piece. We the voters in scottsdale passed a public vote to fund via sales tax a new arena. The owner at the time Steve Ellman decided after getting the arena to strongarm the politicians (do a search for the story) and wound up falling through and he took the out west deal. The year before they moved they had a 90 pt season with Roenick and company. Then having to leave so much earlier and sit in my season tickets now priced at the new arena at close to $100 (where was the windfall of revenue that would help us fans and contain costs?) I cxl'ed my season tix and watched games on TV but for a few visits a year. Besides the 100% increase- nightly I would sit next to people who had bought discounted tix or free thus completely degrading my season tix value. Anyway-sorry for the rant- I just want to point out the bad ownership and decisions both location, players, trades, coaches, pricing, marketing that really doomed things. With good ownership, it would thrive again as it did pre Ellman/Moyes. Hope I've communicated this well. Too bad RIM didn't have offices in Phoenix :) might be the owner we needed
  42. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Unfortunate about the timing as we are seeing some great playoff hockey and this takes the spotlight off the game

    This is the first of a host of franchises going down the tubes. Season ticket purchases will happen in July-September and they will not be breaking down the doors to buy.

    There are going to be some lousy teams out there next year as those same owners will struggle just meeting the minimum salary cap numbers. Watch for a lot of "middle class" NHL'ers take huge hit or be replaced by young entry level or AHL guys.

    Good for you Jim. I like nothing better than sticking it to the weenie who lost an NHL year and ended up with a dumb CBA where owners are forced to sign guys to 10-12 year contracts so as not to lose them at 26.

    Next up: Florida, Tampa, Nashville, Atlanta, Islanders,.......
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  43. Doktor David from Korea, Rep. of writes: And for a completely different perspective I suggest you read this...

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2009/05/05/20090505biz-coyotes0506.html

    ...man, this will be fun.

    Cheers! (used under license)
  44. A C from Albertario, Canada writes:
    Allow me to decode Brunt's lessons and add a few of my own . . .

    Lesson one: Bettman can't be trusted as far as you can throw a bodycheck.

    Lesson two: Bettman can't be trusted as far as you can throw an elbow.

    Lesson three: Bettman's all about the national US television deal that he thinks exists.

    Lesson four: Bettman opposes any move north of the 49th because he thinks it weakens likelihood of said television deal.

    Lesson five: he's right and he's wrong. Another Canadian team would weaken the likelihood of an American television contract that in any way approaches the deals of the NBA, MLB, or NFL. On the other hand, he's wrong: Americans aren't going to watch a game (in big enough numbers) if they don't play the game at street level. A Highschool football channel would get better ratings in the sunbelt than an NHL channel or a pro soccer channel.

    Lesson six: The GTA is in desperate need of a professional hockey team, as at present there's only the Leafs who merely play the part of a professional team on TV.

    Lesson 7: Remember that a phoenix is a bird that rises from the ashes and Bettman cannot be trusted, so don't count your chickens, er . . . phoenixes.


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  45. brad maddigan from Canada writes: I can't decide the best part of this deal. A team coming to Southern Ontario, or sticking it to Bettman. Now Buffalo is going to oppose this as much as anyone.
  46. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: The posts here give ample endorsement for Mr. Bettman getting a raise in his next contract. He is doing his job, which to prevent any new Canadian, and specifically Southern Ontario franchises.
    He is taking the heat for the real culprit, the other Canadian teams, and most importantly the Toronto Franchise.
    What someone needs to do is explain the econometric models of additional product on the market.
    Putting 40,000 seats of NHL hockey in a given market is not a smooth curve. The MLSE group realizes that the best “gold” seat of another team would compete with their “gold” seats, and not the 21,001st standing room ticket.
    The reason that last standing room ticket at the ACC is so valuable, is because the supply line (curve?) goes to zero after that.
    Simple analogy? This summer at the beach, grab your kid’s pail, fill it with sand, and pour it out into a single pile. Refill the pail, and pour it out on the pile. The angle of the pile will change, to support the spread. The height will NOT double.
    MLSE knows this very very well, and does not want to affect the gravy train. The NHL knows this, and will not allow anything to affect the value of it’s’ most expensive piece of property on the monopoly board.
  47. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes:
    Ac from Albertario; No one is proposing to move a team to north of the 49th parallel.
  48. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes:
    I suggest instead of supporting an unappreciative US business (the NHL) which just happens to have ice hockey as one of it’s’ products, that Canadians get out there and support HOCKEY. Go to your local junior team; buy ticket to a senior hockey game, etc. etc…
    Not that long ago, players like Jean Beleveau actually had an option to play happily in other leagues, for the love of the game. The Allen Cup used to get great coverage in the press.
    So question, people are you a hockey fan? Or an NHL fan?
  49. Steve C from Canada writes: There's a reason why Bon Cop, Bad Cop's Buttman character reminded me so much of Bettman.
  50. Louis Ostas from Woodbridge, Canada writes: Does Bettman use a Blackberry?
    Go Balsillie..bring it home!!!
  51. Mike Quinlan from Gatineau, Canada writes: Ballin Munson you fail to take into account the population growth over the past 15 years in the Toronto market. New York city does fine by the Yankees and Mets. There are more than enough hockey fans in the GTA.
  52. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: Mike Quinlan you did not read my post.
    It is not about how many bums you can put in seats under the tent. It is about how much demand each of the limited number of seats can generate, and hence support high prices.
    If there are fewer fools out there will to pay top dollar for a Toronto ticket, because here is an alternative (or for a box) then that deminshes the value of the team, the league, etc.
    The League does not want the value of the most expensive franchise to decline.
    The three New York teams service a market in excess of 21 million people, with the city with the largest concentration of billionaires (potential pool of owners) anywhere on the planet.
    And the "golden horseshoe?". Somewhat less impressive statistics. I know, you are going to tell me you cousin lives in Burlington, and he would buy a ticket.
  53. A C from Albertario, Canada writes:
    Ballin Munson, thanks for the geography lesson.

    In return allow me to offer you a reading comprehension lesson: it's a metaphor.

    I didn't really mean that Phoenix would literally rise from the ashes, either, and I apologize to all anally-fixated literalists who inferred that meaning from my post. Totally my fault.

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  54. Black Acre from Toronto, Canada writes: I agree with Bettman. Why would the NHL condone transfer of ownership of a bankrupt franchise to someone with a proven record of business success, a love of hockey, a reputation for integrity, lots of money and the intention to move the team from a place where it has never made money to a market that is overflowing with diehard fans and where it might provide real competition to a team that desperately needs it?
  55. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: Has anyone heard of Ferrari? Or how about Aston Martin? Lamborghini?
    There was an article some time ago in one of the business magazines, and they interviewed the managers of all three (as well as a few others, Morgan, etc.) Given a choice between satisfying demand, boosting revenue, and seeing far more of their vehicles on the road, or being able to have a three year waiting list, what have they chosen?
    There is no miracle in being able to produce more than 3,500 Ferraris’ a year. To boost it to 6,000 would be a small task.
    So again, do you think MLSE wants and additional NHL ticket on the market anywhere close enough to cause one less $20 hot dog to be sold?
    Sadly, the analogy does have one flaw. Toronto NHL fans, as it stands, isn’t getting’ a Ferrari to begin with...40 years of fumes will do that, I guess.
  56. Sens Fan from Mississauga, Canada writes: Rabidsenses > from Good gawd, a latte-swilling Westerner, Canada writes:

    If Canadian culture were a science fiction comic book then Gary Bettman would undoubtedly be DARTH VADER.

    Care to offer up a worse villain?

    I'm thinking more of Jabba the Hut - slobbering, incoherant, greedy, power hungry. Darth was more about power, but not so interested in the money.
  57. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: A C from Albertario Inaccuracy diminishes your argument. If as many posters do, have to defend themselves through personal attacks, it reduces that argument further…
    The difference, is: are your expressing an opinion? (We can get that from any taxi driver) or a logical, intelligent thought, and position?
  58. Left Wing from Togo writes: Bettman should fall on his sword and go out with the little remaining dignity he has left. Other than the sky-rocketing player salaries and franchise values, he has done nothing for the game of hockey during his lengthy tenure.
  59. No Worries from Canada writes:
    Balsillie is the Man!

    Money talks, Bettman's bs walks......
  60. John Samuel from St. Paul, United States writes: Now will Bettman go away? Make him go away.
  61. Joe Dirt from Canada writes: Ballin, sorry but the value of the Leafs won't decline if another team is in Ontario just like the value of the Yankees has not declined because the Mets are in Queens.

    There is more than enough demand in the GTA to support 82 home games a year. Don't worry, the ACC will still be packed with corporate execs overpaying for tickets.
  62. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: Joe Dirt: How do you know that MLSE won’t be affected?
    If any single corporate type hears from a customer that “no thanks for the Leafs’ tickets, I am going to a Coyotes’ game next week in Hamilton,” Do you think these seats, that box are going to be renewed next year so easily?
    The economics of the New York Market were beaten to death a few months ago here. The LOCAL baseball TV. Rights are worth more than all sports broadcasting in Canada. It can be referenced on the NY Yankees website, and their annual report.
  63. Harvey Mushman from cambridge, Canada writes: Doktor David...thanks for the link...that was one of the most factual and insightful articles I have read on the Coyotes current situation.

    Looks like Basillie has done his homework on this one. He's going to be the Al Davis of the NHL.
  64. best west from Canada writes: Let the Coyotes die. There are to many teams in the league now. If we could get rid of at least three other teams the league would not be so watered down.
  65. Joe Dirt from Canada writes: Ballin, how long is the wait for leafs season tickets? And with a renewal rate of over 99%, I think they can find someone to buy the tickets if a few bail to Hamilton.

    Glad you brought up TV, since the leafs already get 900K per game on Sportsnet. A Hamilton team could get 500K, maybe more. That may not be what the Yankees get, but in hockey that's a lot more than most.
  66. billy weathers from Canada writes: great post mr cohen
    right on teams should come back to quebec and
    winnipeg right now
    waterloo warriors is next
    here is my question
    why is it outside of mr brunt
    here at the globe and mail that canadian
    sports writers scotty morrision and the rest
    damien cox all dont like the idea of
    nhl in canada
    what gives- you would think that the canadian sports
    press would support this
    logical - nhl hockey - canada
    does anybody know why as one blogger said
    sports writers
    tiptoes around bettman and the nhl
    who stripped canada of 2 great franchise
    the jets and nordique
    doesnt make sense 2 me
    anybody else
    cheers
  67. j q from Canada writes: Mr. Munson,

    Your assumptions and conclusions have some merit, but it is pure speculation like everyone else on these boards.

    Without knowing exactly where the team will be located in 'Southern Ontario', it is difficult to assess the impact on the two teams in the neighbourhood.

    Factually, it can be said the establishment of the Buffalo Sabres within 2 hours of Toronto did not hinder MLSE's evolution to a financial juggernaut. As well, I doubt that there are as many hockey fans amongst the 7 million in the New York area (considering other loyalties to Mets, Yankees, Giants, Jets, Knicks), as there are in Southern Ontario. Both the Islanders and the Devils have proved that a poor product on the ice leads to financial oblivion and even mild success is no guarantee of stability.

    I am doubtful the League wants a powerful rogue owner like Basille who seems unwilling to play their game as dictate by Bettman. The wild card is the failing economy, which make all things possible.
  68. John Johnson from Canada writes: Re: "Balsillie plans to lean on his sterling business reputation." Seems I read recently that Mr. Balsillie and his fellow senior executives and Board were severely punished for their involvement in a 10-year activity of backdating share options to the benefit of this group. I find it difficult to understand how the writer of the article can say that Mr. Blasillie has a "sterling business reputation"? A bit tainted, don't you think.
  69. Cassandra from Ottawa from Canada writes: Stephen Brunt was all smiles and chuckles at the idea of the Sens moving when they went bankrupt a few years ago. He couldn't have been more pleased and didn't seem to be a bit worried about Canadian teams at that point.

    He is a big fan though of a team moving in to his neck of the woods.He is probably Balsillie's biggest supporter and is on here pumping his tires at every opportunity.

    I feel for any fan base that is in danger of losing their team, no matter where they are, it is a sickening feeling. Meantime Balsillie's aggressive moves don't really paint him as a team player, and it is not just Bettman but the NHL board of goveners who seem to view him. with reason, as a loose cannon.
  70. Proud Canadian from Canada writes: Great post Mr. Kohen. For my comment, I hope Jim Balsille is successful, and I hope Gary Butthead is removed as the CEO of the NHL. There's lots of space and a whole lot of fans in Southern/Southwestern Ontario that would support an additional team and possibly an additional 2 teams. One somewhere in the GTA itself, one in the middle of SW Ont. KW, London, Hamilton, wherever.
  71. Noam Sugarman from North Bay, Canada writes: If Balsillie succeeds in this latest offensive, and I am inclined to believe that he will, then I cannot see how Bettman keeps his job. This would be the most damning evidence possible that his mandate has been a complete failure, and that it's time to set a new course with a new captain:

    http://palhalpall.blogspot.com/2009/05/balsillie-putting-nail-in-bettmans.html
  72. billy weathers from Canada writes: noam i agree with you even north bay sudbury could support an nhl team
    look at the english premier league
    4 teams in london
    2 in manchester
    2 in liverpool
    canada could support at least 4 to 5 more teams
    if the a..holes would get out of the way
    canada is hockey
    cheers
  73. J. K. GALBRAITH from Canada writes: It is important to remember that in reality the NHL is a club. As such, it is never a good idea to try to change the club's rules when you are not a member yet. I suspect when this is all done, Balsillie will not get his team and Bettman will leave in the next couple of years when his current contract is completed. He will not be fired but it will be a mutual decision that his contract will not be renewed.
  74. Noam Sugarman from North Bay, Canada writes: J.K., I disagree. The NHL simply has no choice on this one. In the previous instances, Bettman was able to find other buyers, but that simply cannot happen now, nor can the team stay where they are.
  75. Martin's E-ratt from Nashville, United States writes: So, if this does go through and the team is relocated to Hamilton or another city in Southern Ontario, how would the divisions be re-aligned? Do you move a team from the Central to the Pacific and replace that team with this one?
  76. Sober Second Thought from Toronto, Canada writes: If this deal does not go though, I will take a hockey sabatical. Not that I ever watched the Leafs anyway (shudder!).
  77. Philip Ladouceur from United States Outlying writes: Great to see Balsillie make the conditional offer to purchase the Coyote's and relocate the team to Southwestern Ontario. Bettman, the little dictator, stated on CNBC this morning that the team will remain in Phoenix next season. He and his cohorts with the Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres, will fight to prevent his ownership and entry to the Ontario markets. Hope that Balsillie prevails and breaks up the monopoly in the premier market in hockey, and finally gives the fans a team to be proud of. The Leafs are a disaster with their poor management of the team. No need to worry about attendance..
  78. DKB 19 from Calgary, Canada writes: The rule of law trumps the club rules. Since this is now in bankruptcy court, the judgment set forth will be final. This judgment will be what's in the best interests of the creditors, not the 'Good Old Boys'.
    Mr Balsillie possibly has enough money, or access to credit, to buy 2/3 of the teams in the league. If he follows in the trailblazing footsteps of Al Davis, there's nothing Bettman can legally do.
    GO BALSILLIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  79. Tim N from Canada writes: Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Jeffrey 93:

    Hamilton puts him in a position to take on both Toronto and Buffalo on court challenged territory things.

    An arena on RIM land .... just off the 401 and between Cambridge and Kitchener is outside all territories.

    Cheers
    ------------------------------------

    Just a further to this post - there has been credible rumours in Kitchener about a new arena being built as well....in Cambridge...

    Cambridge/Kitchener would be a great spot - fastest growing region in the country - 45 minutes from Toronto, 45 from Hamilton, 1 hour from London..Waterloo/Kitchener/Cambridge is approx. 400K to 500K in population....
  80. Chris Michaels from Canada writes: If nothing else, Balsillie's enthusiasm for this has made many in Hamilton proud. Perhaps rekindling the "Ambitious City" that I've heard was the mantra of years past.

    If this does come to pass, I think it's a safe bet that Copps Coliseum will be the loudest arena in the league.

    ....Holy Mackinaw!
    Tigers!
    And Coyotes!
    Eat 'em Raw!!!!!!!
  81. J. K. GALBRAITH from Canada writes: Noam and DKB: Yes, Balsillie may legally own the team but that does not mean that he gets to do anything he wants to with the team. He still has to abide by the rules of the club. One should not assume that because Balsillie has won round one of this battle that he will eventually succeed. Personally, I wish there would be a second franchise in Southern Ontario and the Vaughan proposal makes the most senst to me in terms of location. However, storming the barricades to be let in is not a great longterm strategy. Remember that most people believe the problems with major league baseball stem from having a weak commissioner. The two most successful leagues (NFL and NBA) have very strong commissioners. Many other owners may not be that supportive given the other cans of worms that this approach may open.
  82. L Harder from Canada writes: Every time Balsillie gets rebuffed, Bettman is diminished. Does he want to grow revenues or does he want to tilt at windmills? He may be able to do both if he establishes a revenue stream first.
  83. Leafs 007 from Toronto, Canada writes: A big, Big, BIG YES to Balsille! and a NO, NO, NO to Bettman. It is time Bettman get outsted! He is bad for the game....A new commissioner is needed...perhaps, it should be...Balsille for commish!!!
    .
    I would love to see another NHL team in southern Ontario...it will give the Leafs some competition with regards to ticket pricing...I've been a Leafs fan all my life and have yet to go to any game because the ticket pricing for the Leafs does not make financial sense....
    .
    Go, Bettman, Go! ... please be gone!!
  84. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: The league is also hinting at the fact that as a “franchise” they can revoke the license at any time. The corporation that is the coyotes’’ only has value if it is allowed to play in the league. BUT as a corporation, it has incurred liabilities which are outside of its’ ability to generate revenue by providing entertainment.
    Bettman/NHL/MLSE (and not necessarily in that order) don’t want another team in Southern Ontario.
    You can’t just buy a “MacDonald’s” and continue to operate, as if you are still part of the chain. Macdonald’s has final say on all of that (including where you get your ketchup!)
    If the NHL doesn’t want you in its’ sandbox, you ain’t getting in. Even if you can give everyone already there, new toys and presents. They did not want Paul Allen ($30 Billion!),and they don't want Mr. Rim.
    Everyone here is already cutting up the carcass… “ no no my home town, no no I want an arena at the corner of Derry road and HWY 27…. No no no Milton is the best location..”
    Glendale Arizona is still where it is at. Too bad Winnipeg and Quebec City didn’t have $700 million dollar “out clauses” when they were moved…
  85. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: Leafs 007 from Toronto, Canada writes.
    “I would love to see another NHL team in southern Ontario...it will give the Leafs some competition with regards to ticket pricing...I've been a Leafs fan all my life and have yet to go to any game because the ticket pricing for the Leafs does not make financial sense....”
    You don’t own the Leafs, and you have just stated exactly why they don’t want another team nearby. Case closed.
  86. Dave Coyote from Scottsdale,AZ, United States writes: Ok, so i just registered and used the clever user name. But seriously I do live in Arizona and came to this site to understand some of your local views. I'm not here to pick a fight with anyone or debate whether Canada should get another team. I for one think Quebec should still have a team and any other city that makes sense. There are passionate fans here in Arizona and the problem with no support is no playoffs for last 7 seasons, an arena although awsome,all the way on the outskirts of town. People can leave work from the East Valley or Scottsdale for a weeknight game and sit in traffic and maybe miss drop of the puck. When the Coyotes where in downtown Phoenix at America West, it was a fun and loud atmosphere. Great pre-game parties. They put a live band in at the end ice that had obstructed views. I had season tickets 20 rows up on the blue line for about $50 a piece. We the voters in scottsdale passed a public vote to fund via sales tax a new arena. The owner at the time Steve Ellman decided after getting the arena to strongarm the politicians (do a search for the story) and wound up falling through and he took the out west deal. The year before they moved they had a 90 pt season with Roenick and company. Then having to leave so much earlier and sit in my season tickets now priced at the new arena at close to $100 (where was the windfall of revenue that would help us fans and contain costs?) I cxl'ed my season tix and watched games on TV but for a few visits a year. Besides the 100% increase- nightly I would sit next to people who had bought discounted tix or free thus completely degrading my season tix value. Anyway-sorry for the rant- I just want to point out the bad ownership and decisions both location, players, trades, coaches, pricing, marketing that really doomed things. With good ownership, it would thrive again as it did pre Ellman/Moyes. Hope I've communicated this well. Too bad RIM didn't have offices in Phoenix :) might be the owner we needed
  87. Campbell McDougall from Berlin, Germany, Germany writes: The only thing that would please me more than another franchise in Canada, is it being the centrepoint that cost Bettman his job. Get this guy out now!
  88. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Ballin Munson from toronto;

    I disagree with your premise re: MLSE.

    I've been a season ticket holder for 15 years. I sell the majority of my tickets but usually catch a hand full of regular season games. Playoffs tickets are another story (the real season).

    The market for my tickets is huge. Even pre season games.

    You have to remember that the GTA is made up of hockey fans of many different teams.... especially original 6 and the Canadian teams. I have friends who are fans of all those teams and have to rotate who gets the tickets because they don't play enough games in Toronto.

    The money makers for MLSE are their corporate boxes and platinum seats. Almost all owned by businesses located in downtown Toronto . Do you really think those owners will give up their seats in order to drive an hour to Hamilton? or Cambridge? Not a chance.

    I spent most of those 15 years living in Pickering and working either at home or downtown. It took me 45 minutes to get from my front door to the arena using the GO train. Do you really think getting tickets for $20 per game less per seat would make me take the trip to Hamilton/Cambridge/Vaughn?

    As for MLSE blocking the move..... I doubt it. They have enough problems with public perception right now... and it would have little effect on their bottom line.

    Cheers
  89. Martin's E-ratt from Nashville, United States writes: If it makes you feel any better Dave, they still have a "Do you think the Nashville Predators to Hamilton" poll on the Hamilton Spectator website.
  90. Melissa W. from Canada writes: Great post, Sam K.
  91. J. K. GALBRAITH from Canada writes: Scot: The big question is whether the tickets will end up being $20 per game less. If there are less corporate supporters for the boxes and platinum seats, then the average ticket price would not go down. You would drive to Vaughan from Pickering but you would not go to Hamilton or Cambridge very often (unless they had a helicopter service from Pickering!) A $100 million territorial rights fee and a reduction into the revenue sharing pot would make MLSE want to have a second team in its area.
  92. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Agreed J. K.

    It is proven every year that people will pay exorbitant prices to attend a game. Doubling the availability still won't quench the thirst.

    Cheers
  93. Ed Flynn from Saint John, Canada writes: Scot Loucks - re your last post and ticket availability/prices/proximity, etc.

    My thoughts are that a team in the 905 or 519 would not only attract (new) business customers to the platinum seats' equivalent and suites but it might tap new markets outside of "downtown Toronto".

    Further, fans to fill all of the other seats may not only have greater access to tickets but also access to regularly priced tickets. That amounts to more affordable tickets on a couple of levels where fans are:

    1. Not handcuffed to brokers or scalpers when there are no tickets to be purchased through 1st line retail channels
    2. Not paying equivalent premiums from the brokers or scalpers

    Finally take that $20 per ticket you use in your example. I'm not an economist but there's opportunity cost there for one consumer. Multiply it by three or four if your a family or group of friends and there's a lot to be done with $40, $60 or $80 if you want to see a (non Leaves) hockey game or your favorite team playing another Ontario team.

    Not arguing with you but thinking out loud that there are enough businesses and consumers who would do what you might not.
  94. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Ed Flynn;

    You totally get my point.

    I was rebutting Ballin Munson's premise that MLSE would stop this at all costs... that another team would erode their fan base.

    If the arena was anywhere between Hamilton and Kitchener there are enough corporate head offices in Mississauga alone to grab those corporate boxes and seats.

    People tend to forget that only MLSE can charge the prices they do. No other team (maybe the Rangers) have the kind of attendance revenue that the Leafs have. That won't change... even if the new team was next door to the ACC.

    Cheers
  95. Ed Flynn from Saint John, Canada writes: Scot Loucks - gotcha then.

    MLSE is in an enviable position of having a monopoly on NHL hockey in the GTA today.

    However, in the hypothetical of tomorrow, they will always have a monopoly on TLM games. And that isn't a bad position to be in whether there's a team in closer proximity or not.
  96. Gary Dare from Portland, Oregon, Canada, writes: Dave Coyote writes, "When the Coyotes where in downtown Phoenix at America West, it was a fun and loud atmosphere." As sad as I was to see the Jets leave Winnipeg, I was glad that they were heading to Phoenix because that town had a great minor league and WHA history. And for a while, it worked (but barely on the ledgers, which was why Richard Burke was entertaining Paul Allen on the latter's third and last try at a buy and move deal to his Rose Garden in Portland, Oregon). But as they say in real estate: location, location, location ... and that's what did in the Coyotes, they were used as bait for a real estate development deal with a pro sports socialist corporate welfare deal from a town that literally bet the farm on its future.
  97. Hockeydad London from Canada writes: J.K. Galbraith, you are correct, the NHL is a tight little club with it's own rules, however, now that one of the members of the club is in Chapter 11, it is the trustee and the courts job to maximize the return for the creditors. I know some Canadian bankruptcy law, but not so much U.S., so, with a grain of salt here, if the court finds the best, and perhaps only, offer is Balsillie's, then their order can overrule the little club rules. Better yet, if Toronto then goes to block the transfer based on their little club rules, the NHL may face not only the U.S. courts, but the Competition Act in Canada. Poor Gary...
  98. Chris Stinson from London, Canada writes: i want it to happen, but IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

    1st Bettman and Daley will contest that Moyes had the authority to declare bankruptcy. they will likely somehow be sucessful and then it will never appear in bankruptcy court. Basille bid denied.

    or

    2nd it miracously gets into bankruptcy court and the court rules it cannot force the NHL to move the franchise, so it will have to accept the second unconditional offer--- which will be a puppet of betman.

    sorry it just isn't going to happen.

    Jim start your own league. Brett Hull will help you.
  99. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: Entertainment is an intangible. The worst case scenario? You have 1 million customers at $1 each. The best 1 Customer at $1million. Neither situation exists, but you want to drive closer to the point of 1 customer at $1million.
    MLSE is in the business of keeping closer to that part of the supply demand curve. An additional 20,000 seats per game night just isn’t on. Think at least for one minute, if you were sitting there at the ACC, do you think you would want anything at all to interfere with that gravy train? Even the potential.
    Remember, these are people who spend countless hours figuring out the price of a tray of popcorn to maximize profit. “At $1 we will have to hire extra people, etc., because everyone will buy 10, and the logistics won’t be profitable, at $10, we won’t sell enough. But at $8 per tray, we sell lots, and make scads of money.
    This is not about helping people in Milton see more NHL games. Even if they would pay good money to do so. Most of the Boxes I am familiar with are from Suburban based corporations; in fact it is hard to give tickets on short notice to commuting managers.
    MLSE would not want any of the suburban companies, particularly those in the west end, to have the option of buying a box at the Hamilton arena.
    I grew up in a town in Northern Ontario that had one auto dealer for each brand. You were given a price. If you hinted that you may drive to Winnipeg, or Toronto, he would point out hotel costs, etc. Then try getting your car serviced, even if it was under warranty. When I moved to Toronto, I could not believe the difference. People actually vying for my business.
    Do you think MLSE wants anyone to have any sort of option?? Get Real.
    Bettman is a red herring, the league in total, and MLSE are the culprits.
    The only, only scenario I could .
  100. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: the only potential solution is another team at ACC, with MLSE getting a cut.
  101. J. K. GALBRAITH from Canada writes: Ballin: If MLSE were to receive a $100 million fee for territorial rights and paid a couple of million a year less into revenue sharing, then they could make an extra $12 million a year without selling a ticket. That is based on the assumption that if you have $100 million to invest, you can get a 10% return. Why wouldn't MLSE consider that? The Teachers Pension Plan would like that as well as it wants to keep generating extra cash flow that can be used to pay pensions.
  102. Slander Us from Canada writes: Chris - I disagree. First, Moyes IS the owner of that team and is also the largest single unprotected creditor of the team (ironically, the NHL is the 2nd biggest). The move by the NHL to block the declaration of Chapter 11 by Moyes is simply a stall tactic to buy them time to figure something out. Whether the NHL likes it or not, Moyes was wll within his rights as the owner to declare - unless we find out that the money the NHL loaned had strings attached stipulating that they would become owners if Moyes couldn't keep the team afloat. However, such a clause cannot exist as the NHL has been designated as one of the Coyotes' unsecured creditors. So, like I said, it's nothing more than a stall tactic. Second, under US Chapter 11 laws, creditors have a say in the restructuring of a corporation. If they are not onside with plans to sell the team to another buyer (reportedly Jerry Reinsdorf for just a little over $100m - or less than half of Balsillie's offer), their opinion is taken into account by the courts. Personally, I have a hard time believing that creditors would accpet the NHL's offer. The other option would be the secured creditor's actually becoming owners of the team - which I believ is more likely if the courts decide they can't force a relocation. If this happens, they can sell to whomever they please. Bettman is cooked on this - he picked the fight by balking on the Pittsburgh deal, and why he believes that Balsillie should adhere to rules that Bettman doesn't even follow is beyond me. Bettman asked for this - and now he's got an embarssing disaster on his hands. From a PR standpoint, it's more negative press in the US for a league that never has any positive press.
  103. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: JKGailbraith ( I think you read some of my earlier economic musings - with a name like that)
    To answer your question : Long term asset value decline. The future is unknown, at some point; the new team could become the dominant one in the area. The Rangers suffered this somewhat in the 1980’s with the ascent of the Islanders. Dilution of the Televisions rights.
    There are numerous reasons; MLSE does not want a dollar today, if it endangers the future. Adding another team, is an unknown to them, and in business, and war, you want to minimize surprises. Believe me, I hate the Leafs (if for no other reason, I don’t understand the popularity of a totally futile situation, from Pal Hal onward, the organization has laughed all the way to the bank. The more they dumped on the suckers, the more loyal they became), and wish every berg in Canada that could support a team on ticket sales alone, would get an NHL franchise. But this is unfortunately not at all about the game of or sport of NHL hockey. Hockey (senior, junior, etc.,) is another thing entirely.
    It is about monopoly preservation, etc.
  104. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: Gailbraith : as well, the league may not want MLSE to have any competition. MLSE is worth $1.6 billion. (team at $400 million, or so) If there is a decline in valuation of the peak asset, it drives down the value (ever so slightly) of all the other assets.
    So you are not just talking about $100million for the leafs, You may be talking about a 5, or 8 or 10 percent decline of ALL NHL assets, if the top valued team in the league goes down. Multiply it by 30 teams, now you are talking real money.
    It is like real estate, if the price of a house in the top neighbourhood declines, it spreads throughout the entire market,,,
  105. Ballin Munson from toronto, Canada writes: some might say, so does it make sense to have a team lose money, how does that do good for the league?
    Yes but we are talking about the cheapest house, in a bad neighbourhood. Means nothing for the top house, but if the top house declines....
  106. Jack F from Canada writes: Balsillie is an entrepreneur who is used to having to change tactics to compete in an ultra-competitive industry. He will win this battle eventually.
  107. vin air from Christmas Island writes: Moving the Coyotes north makes economical sense for MLSE and the rest of the NHL.

    One less team to subsidize through "equalization" payments.
  108. James Loo from Nepean, Canada writes: Southern Ontario can easily support another NHL team. However, MLSE would never allow the dilution of its monopoly. Another southern Ontario team == loss of equity for Ontario Teachers, in the short term at least.
  109. Cam Cresswell from St. Catharines, Canada writes: Rabidsenses > from Good gawd, a latte-swilling Westerner, Canada writes:

    If Canadian culture were a science fiction comic book then Gary Bettman would undoubtedly be DARTH VADER.

    Care to offer up a worse villain?

    Way better..

    Sheriff of Nottingham and Mr. Balisillie, is none other then Robin Hood.
  110. Joe Nix from United States writes: Regarding hockey traditions in Phoenix. I went to hockeydb.com, entered Phoenix and came up with the listed minor pro and semi pro teams. Off hand I'd say it was a good minor league town with a rink "downtown". I recall listening to games of the Roadrunners while living in Southern California. You can see the rosters on hockeydb.com

    Phoenix Apaches
    (Phoenix, AZ) 1958-1959 California Hockey League (1954-1963)

    Phoenix Roadrunners
    (Phoenix, AZ) 1967-1974 Pacific Coast Hockey League (1944-1952)
    Western Hockey League (1952-1974)

    Phoenix Roadrunners
    (Phoenix, AZ) 1977-1979 Pacific Hockey League (1977-1979)

    Phoenix Roadrunners
    (Phoenix, AZ) 1977-1978 Central Professional Hockey League (1963-1968) Central Hockey League (1968-1984)

    Phoenix Roadrunners
    (Phoenix, AZ) 1989-1997 International Hockey League 1945-2001)

    Phoenix Mustangs
    (Phoenix, AZ) 1997-2001 West Coast Hockey League (1995-2003)

    Phoenix Roadrunners
    (Phoenix, AZ) 2005-2009 East Coast Hockey League (1988-2009)

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