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From Monday's Globe and Mail

Scientist criticizes federal funding cuts and may take as many as 25 members of his team with him. ...Read the full article

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  1. Sam Harris from Nova Scotia, United States writes: Are we sure it's not about the Florida weather?
  2. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: Harper's response: Shrug. Good riddance.
  3. John B from Vancouver, Canada writes: Congratulations reformerites. You are reaping the rewards of your evangelical agenda.
  4. Shaun Towens from Seattle, United States writes: I'm a young scientist (PhD in computer science) and the only opportunities available to me were in the US. There were very few universities hiring in Canada. I applied to all that were and almost all told me that there was a huge amount of competition for the few positions that were available. I'm sure the job prospects this year are even worse.

    I applied for several industry jobs, but most only required a Bachelor's degree and I didn't hear back from any of the jobs I applied for, presumably because I was overqualified and they figured I wouldn't stay very long.

    In the end, I ended up in a research position at very highly respected company in the Seattle area and I didn't even apply for it(they came to me after seeing my resume online). I worry about what kind of place Canada will be in 20 years if all the many of the top-educated young people are leaving. I would have loved to stay in Canada, but obviously not as an unemployed technology PhD.
  5. Gary Dare from Portland, Oregon, Canada, writes: Dr. Sekaly's experience does not indicate a trend but that his work fit a larger program in his field. It does hit at shrinking R&D funds in Canada after a decade of growth, including attracting three Northwestern University post-docs to Toronto whose stem cell would have lead into the illegal realm under Bush administration rules.

    While I congratulate Shaun on his position, the fact is that the high tech field has started to shed jobs on a large scale after barely recovering in 2007, a long time after the 2001 dot.com crash. There is no shortage of unemployed technology Ph.D.'s in the US as in Canada and Europe, of all ages, at the moment. Don't take my word for it, follow these tech news sites:

    http://www.eetimes.com/hr/

    http://www.siliconvalley.com/
  6. Matt Stiles from Canada writes: Considering how bad government screws up everything it touches, are we sure we even want them doing research?
  7. John B from Vancouver, Canada writes: Government doesn't perform scientific research, but should fund it.
  8. Gary Dare from Portland, Oregon, Canada, writes: P.S.: in technology and other fields, the future may have been previewed by IBM's recent Project Match program, which matches displaced staff from developed countries (Canada, US, UK, etc.) to jobs in developing areas like the BRIC. The catch is that these aren't cushy expat postings with deluxe housing, a car or driver, quarterly trips home. No, you are to be a foreign guest worker making the local rate, find your own pad, make your way home if laid off if not forcibly deported.

    I actually heard about this program late last year, from grad school contacts who lost their semi jobs at East Fishkill.

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/05/news/companies/ibm_jobs/index.htm
  9. Jim Terrets from Vancouver, writes: Wake up call? For Harper's bunch?

    Far from a being a wake up call, Harper and his cabal are celebrating this latest 'victory' over science and knowledge. Harper's goals are a science-free Canada by 2011 and a knowledge free Canada by 2020. The Harperites hate learning, hate education and hate science with a passion. Learning and knowledge are anathema to Harper and his vision of society.
  10. no name from Canada writes: Like Shaun, I too am a young scientist who recently left Canada after my PhD because the opportunity to pursue career-advancing research and receive a good salary was only available overseas. I am lucky to have come from a top lab in Canada in my research field, so at this time, early in my career, it is not uncommon for someone like me to continue my training abroad in other top labs. However, most of my peers also left (or are planning to leave) Canada once they finished their doctorates due to the lack of funding and job opportunities in Canada.

    I worry that my intention to come back to the country I love so much will be threatened because of the current state of affairs with respect to research funding and competitive salaries. It is a shame that many Canadian universities have done away with mandatory retirement for academic research staff and have also frozen hiring of young faculty. I fear that in a couple of year's time, when my colleagues and I want to come home to pursue our research interests, bring back the knowledge we have gained abroad and be part of the transfer of that knowledge that is essential for the development and success of our society, there will be no jobs available.

    I pursued a career in medical research for the love of it, but I certainly will not be able to do what I love, be able to afford to settle down and live in the best country in the world if the current situation does not change rapidly. I will have to make a choice. I will not be able to give back to the country that for so many years gave so much to me.
  11. Hank Moody from Canada writes:
    Take me with you. I know how to operate all kinds of coffee machines. I guarantee that fresh coffee will be available at any hour.
  12. Canuck Abroad from Cyprus writes: This is another push the panic button article. The brain drain has been going on for years. It is no wonder. 50-states instead of 10-provinces. 300-million people instead of 30-million. The market is simply larger and academics and researchers are very mobile. However, if you visit www bloomberg com today you can read an article entitled Colleges Flunk Economics Test as Harvard Model Destroys Budgets, which basically states that many private and publicly run colleges are running research and building budgets that they not only cannot afford, but are also at odds with their educational mission to teach undergrad students. With all due respect to Mr Obama he is also spending money he does not have. Some publicly funded R & D will have a huge pay-off. Other research will not. Just throwing money at projects is no guarantee that you will see the results you desire. Budgeting, benchmarks and cost versus benefit analysis are not very sexy concepts, but they are a financial reality. If Florida can afford it great. But looking at their state's economy I doubt it. Canada and the Provinces have to go their own way not blindly follow the USA.
  13. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: @ Matt Stiles: Can you say: JPL, NASA, DARPA, ARPA, CDC, NOAA? Among others? How about the University of California? All publicly funded US organizations that do fundamental R & D.

    You do know that it was the US, military that invented the Internet, don't you? That would be ARPA.

    Which project required the ability to network computers. And that it was researchers at UC-Berkley that invented computer networking.

    You were aware of this, weren't you?

    Spare us that drivel about publicly funded and run research. Especially since corporations don't do fundamental R & D because the payoff period is way too long for them.

    As an example, look at the development of computers based on transistors. It took about 80 years between the original development of atomic theory in Physics before a commercially viable PC was sold.

    It took 25 years between the work of Bohr and Rutherford for Quantum physics to be developed, along with Einstein's work which led to Quantum physics.

    Shockley and crew didn't develop the first transistor until 1947. That was based on the predictions of the behaviour of Silicon under Quantum Mechanics. Without that theory, there would be no transistors. Or LASERS. It took another 15 years for commercial applications of transistors to show up. I leave it to you to follow up the rest of it.

    Daniel Bernoulli's work in the mid 1700's is the basis of how airplanes fly, among other things. 150 years is how long it took for that work to result in airplanes.

    I can just see some corporation waiting 80, let alone 150, years for the ROI for the research they did. Especially here and now, where the next quarter is 'critical' and looking a year downrange is considered extreme forward thinking.
  14. Gary Dare from Portland, Oregon, Canada, writes: Orest, I believe that in your last statement, you meant to say 'I can't see ...' to make sense with the rest.

    Of the public research institutions that you cite, all of them have been suffering cutbacks. NASA Ames offered early retirement or buyouts to over 1000 staff last week, and cut contractors. Lawrence Berkeley and Lawrence Livermore labs, ditto. Crain's Chicago Business regularly profiles the push by Senator Dick Durbin and the Illinois House delegation to find or restore funds to the Argonne and Fermi labs. Even with the increased funding cited in this article by the Obama admin, it will only result in a fraction of the funding that was available in the post WW II period through the early 90's. In your economy of scale argument, while the US has cut research funds, it's harder to tell from the sheer size, as well as being on the outside.
  15. wayne ouellette from Canada writes: Money buys anything. What country did he leave to move to Canada? Florida is nice this time of year. Just remember to lock your doors and get lots of insurance, if you can find it!
  16. KT Ocean from Canada writes: With the huge amount of stimulus funding going into US science, and the across the board 20% increase in base operating funds for science, I expect we will see more moves like this. All Canadian scientists recognize that Harper-Goodyear do not support scientific research. The US universities are not in a hiring wave though, since taking such a hit to their endowments, so that will stem the flow a bit.
  17. Bono The Limousine Liberal from Regina, Sask, Canada writes: Old news, it's call the brain drain.
  18. Edward Carson from Canada writes: A wake up call for Harper's bunch? Go take a look at the brain drain, as its was called, during the Liberal reign. This is nothing new and is only making press because of the latest debate over funding. Three years ago this story would have been a blip on the map probably not even covered by the G&M.
    Fact is Americans have always paid out more for R&D in all aspects (medical, manufacturing etc...) than in Canada. Reason being is they actually have corporations that assist with government/university funding and here in Canada we don't.
  19. Kublah Khan from Canada writes: The good news this morning is that there is a hint of a June election. An election could help solve the problem of a lack of interest in scientific research.
  20. Leon Russell from Gatineau, Qc, Canada writes: Not long ago I thought the US was the worst canker on the face of the earth.

    Now they're light years ahead of us in just about everything.

    They got Obama, and we're still wallowing around with Harper like ducks in a tailings pond.
  21. Matt Stiles from Canada writes: Orest Zarowski,

    Yes. Government is good. Government loves us. Government has all of our best interests in mind. If it wasn't for government we'd all be living in caves. Government invented the wheel.

    Therefore, we should allow government to make all of the decisions in our lives. They know best. They know where to allocate capital because they are smarter than all of us. They know what to invest in because they are more sophisticated. Blah, blah, blah.

    You want more R&D funding in Canada? Eliminate taxes. Completely. Sally, bar the door. You won't be able to stop the influx of scientists from around the world.
  22. Robert Dryburgh from Winnipeg, Canada writes: More money, higher budgets, lower taxes and better weather. How can we blame them? This will happen regardless of which government is in power. It always has always gone on and always will. Their research will continue in the U S and move on at a much faster pace with the combination of talent and money. The benefits from their efforts will be shared worldwide. Isn’t this more important than where it's done?
  23. mark chynoweth from Toronto Beijing, China writes: Easy on the typical baby-with-bath-water Canadiana. The U.S. has spent the last eight years in a 'war on science' and it is agreed widely that these years have been the darkest years for science in the U.S. Not too mention that they have veered strongly backwards to the days pre-enlightenment with 'Intelligent Design'. Meanwhile, Canada has poached N.Turok and some guy named S. Hawking from Britain, and despite the hiccup recently with Genome, any one looking closely enough would have noticed a steady stream of breakthroughs in Canada in recent months. Strangely, good news never gets front page mention. I guess pandering to 'those who would not see' sells more papers.
  24. cold air from Canada writes: http://tinyurl.com/cxt6fh has the figures from StatsCan. Spending isn't meaningfully increasing in the field, but it isn't declining.
  25. Shaky Lady from guelph, Canada writes: U.S. has lots of people/money. Canada has much less people/money. Money does not grow on trees (It's true lefties, google it). Nice try snuffling for dirt g and m, but no dice.
  26. Harper can't be trusted from Canada writes: Surely by now even the most thick skulled Harper supporter should be able to see that Harper is intent on crippling Canada.

    Once we have no industry, no research, and no prospects the integration into the United States will be easily rammed down your throats. You will simply have no choice as everything that was will have been destroyed by Harper and his ultra right wing religious nuts in the CRAP party.

    North American Union
    spp.gov

    Do a little reading on these subjects and you'll realize that Harper is driving the destruction of Canada.

    A Harper promise is still as good as a lie
  27. Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: Encourages Harper to 'soul search.'

    Ah, therein lies the problem.
  28. Mike Milne from Canada writes:
    This is not new. This story has been the same since Liberals were in power.

    Except now, the Liberals have a leader who went to the US as well. He probably supports the scientist (not scientists). Remember, the others need to remain (not because they can't go to the US; because the don't WANT to go to the US).

    Non story.
  29. F/A josquin from Canada writes:

    We have become, without a doubt, a joke in almost every sphere.
  30. Cameron Jantzen from Canada writes: nice quip, (but too far), Catherine.
  31. F/A josquin from Canada writes:
    witness the comment from Mike Milne

    'non story' indeed------global warming was a non story Mike, the coming recession was, in Harper's eyes, a non story Mike.

    A 'non story', the chorus of the desert of the real.
  32. BCer living in Ontario westerner from Canada writes: Jim Terrets from Vancouver, writes: Far from a being a wake up call, Harper and his cabal are celebrating this latest 'victory' over science and knowledge. Harper's goals are a science-free Canada by 2011 and a knowledge free Canada by 2020. The Harperites hate learning, hate education and hate science with a passion. Learning and knowledge are anathema to Harper and his vision of society----------------------- Besides the fact that it is untrue, what a bunch of garbage. Two years ago one of the top doctors in Toronto was lured away to Edmonton. These guys go where the money is. My neighbour is a medical researcher who has spent the past 10 years in North Carolina and Philidephia and he just recently returned to Canada. We were discussing the American economy yesterday. Canada is much better off. Thank god Harper is not Obama. All the money printed and someone has to pay the bills. Prices on all goods, electricity...etc are going to go through the roof in the USA. HOPEFULLY WE'LL STAY THE COURSE.
  33. Mike Milne from Canada writes:
    So, another paper is reporting that the Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney says that the Government's policies put in place are such that the economy will get better and be in 'full force' by 2010.

    This is an interview from the CBC.

    THE CBC!

    I know Globe.... much better to find a negative story about the government from ONE scientist as opposed to credible information from the BoC governor regarding economic improvement.

    Who wants good news on a Monday?

    Good effort all around.
  34. Gardiner Westbound from Canada writes: .
    Bye bye!
  35. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: Canada leads the world in political science!
    Our research into useless bureaucracy is second to none...
  36. Robin Richardson from Toronto, Canada writes: Who cares what country he's in? It's good news for everyone if this scientist has access to the resources his team needs to make progress on therapies for AIDS.
  37. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Canada still hasn't learned that the future of a country's economy (including its health plans) will be dictated by its research and development, its competitiveness and improvements in its productivity. Future money is not going to come from lumberjacks, oil and beef. Narrow mindedness of Canadian politicians and public amazes me. Canada is doomed to become a third world country in the next 20 years, with every other country on this planet overtaking us with investments in R&D.
  38. Nick Beerman from Calgary, Canada writes: Its simple, scientific research leads to change and Harper's brand of conservativism detests change..
  39. Al Bore from Canada writes:
    'he is leaving in part because of federal cuts in science funding'

    I'm sure this would have happened regardless of funding issues.

    Somebody wanted to write an article.
    Somebody wanted their name in the paper.

    No real story here.
  40. F E from Canada writes: The R&D shrinkage is a real shame, I am hoping that Ignattieff can come up with a counter solution. For the financial position we are in there is no excuse for this.
  41. Ryan Ginger from Canada writes: Once again, Harper continues to distinguish Canada internationally. I can't wait until he is out the door.
  42. A Canadian from Cole Harbour, Canada writes: F/A josquin from Canada writes:
    witness the comment from Mike Milne

    'non story' indeed------global warming was a non story Mike, the coming recession was, in Harper's eyes, a non story Mike.

    A 'non story', the chorus of the desert of the real.

    -

    This is indeed a non story. Canadian brain drain has been a fact for a long time, and yes also under the LPC government, as much as some of you want to deny it.

    In addition, global warming as been debunked and has turned out to be a non-story and a fraud that was pushed by the media just as the swine flu.

    Just do a quick search on Canada brain drain and you will find hundred of articles that either support it or deny it.

    Some of these scientists going south has also be blamed on high taxes in Canada. Something the LPC want to increase. So maybe we should not vote Liberal as they would just make the situation worst.
  43. Burdened Soul from Canada writes: A Canadian from Cole Harbour, Canada writes: ..This is indeed a non story. Canadian brain drain has been a fact for a long time, and yes also under the LPC government, as much as some of you want to deny it. ...

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    You are trying to tie two things into one. The Brain Drain mostly affected educated professionals who were going south for more money.
    This is very different.
    We are not funding research ... our great minds MUST leave to continue to positively contribute to man kind.
  44. Misodzi Sithole from Canada writes: Those who deny the reality of Harper has gutted progressively systems (look at the lax inspection leading to the listeria outbreak) have their heads typically hidden in the sand. But we would not expect anything else because instead of looking at the issue, they are quick to attack personalities just as they are doing to this reearcher. Is it about money? Yes it is because labs need money keep running. The question is how much should be invested to make sure we are at the cutting edge of research. The fact that there are breakthroughs is not because of investment the Harper government has made but despite Harper. However, at a point, the researchers will not put up with the uncertainty. When neo-cons read this the immediate reaction, just like Harper, is to attack the individuals who have dared to say the emperor has no clothes.
  45. Boreal Moose from Canada writes: Al Bore from Canada writes:
    'he is leaving in part because of federal cuts in science funding'

    I'm sure this would have happened regardless of funding issues.

    Somebody wanted to write an article.
    Somebody wanted their name in the paper.

    No real story here.

    ____________________

    Except that this is about the tenth time in six months I've heard about research scientists claiming a hard time under Harper. This government has the worst relationship with scientific researchers of any government I can remember in my lifetime, while Obama is as popular with them as it gets. That IS a BIG story. Unless of course you're a stuck-pig Tory...then it has to be spun as a Non-story. Otherwise you have to admit your leader is a stiff, ultra-con, more and more out of touch by the week.
  46. A Canadian from Cole Harbour, Canada writes: Burdened Soul from Canada writes:You are trying to tie two things into one. The Brain Drain mostly affected educated professionals who were going south for more money.

    -

    Not really, they go south for more money because that is where the money is for R@D , pay is higher and they pay less taxes
  47. Joel Parkes from Peterborough, Canada writes: Soul searching? Harper? Is he serious?
  48. Ed Biggler from Philadelphia, United States writes: My own brain drained to the United States ten years ago and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Americans demand excellence, Canadians really don't care.
  49. T. Dee from Mississauga, Canada writes: Another stupid move by Harper, no surprises here. Maybe they will take Harper with him when they go to Florida (PLEASE)!
  50. Andrew Toms from Toronto, Canada writes: I'm with the Professor. I'm leaving my Canadian university post for a post at a Tier I American university. The opportunities, salaries, and research support are vastly better there.
  51. Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    This is nothing new.

    We've had a brain drain from Canada to the US for decades now. Mostly it's because of high taxes here in Canada.

    And remember what old Chretien said once when he was PM? He completely denied the brain drain was happening!

    Perhaps Harper can deny it as well. Oh wait.....I forgot, people only believe that when a Liberal says it, not a Conservative.
  52. Burdened Soul from Canada writes: A Canadian from Cole Harbour, Canada writes: Burdened Soul from Canada writes:You are trying to tie two things into one. The Brain Drain mostly affected educated professionals who were going south for more money.

    -

    Not really, they go south for more money because that is where the money is for R@D , pay is higher and they pay less taxes
    _____
    Call me insane, but these great scientists and driven so much by personal wealth.
    They are driven by the shiny lab and the tools that will help them find a cure to save millions of lives. These are the people who work extended hours and then stay up all night writing about their research in journals. They are highly motivated ... these are the people we need in Canada ... we cannot just let them move on because our Prime Minister lacks vision.
  53. garlick toast from Canada writes: Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: Encourages Harper to 'soul search.'

    Ah, therein lies the problem.

    -----------------------------------------

    Maybe he can Google it.Look under ''R soul''.
  54. S Balderick from Canada writes: Some try to explain the lure of America due to its bigger size, but that does not explain why it is that countries smaller than us like Australia and Sweden also significantly outpace us in R & D.
  55. Brett DAmelio from St. John'sToronto, Canada writes: Bad move going to the US - they're going to have a host of problems over the next 10 years. I can easily see the funding drying up or costs going through the roof. One year or two years - sure that's great - but 10 years or 20 years, I'd rather be in a more stable place.

    Look at the US debt, look at it's deficit? Look what Obama is trying to accomplish, and the costs of doing it. There isn't a bottomless pit of money.

    Let's see what happens to the retirees and the medicare system in the US.
  56. Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    I suppose all the folks in favour of the Chrysler and GM bailouts can bear responsibility for the cuts in some research funding.

    It was known last year that these auto bailouts would be coming, so that basically left the cupboard bare for anything else.

    Thank a CAW worker.
  57. Rodion Raskolnikov from Montreal, Canada writes: When you have members of this government who believe that humans and dinosaurs walked on the earth at the same time (about 6000 years ago), what do you expect?
  58. David Beentheredonethat from Canada writes: Florida has invited a number of internationally recognized institutions to build and run satellite operations in the state, offering rich incentives. Dr. Sékaly will get $100-million to get it going and hire staff, and plans to expand his own research into cancer and cancer vaccines.....................How any of the negative posters above can equate this with your negative interpretation of Harper's R&D plan is beyond me. Who, or what country could possibly match this and it's only the start. Canada has been very good to and for him and he's a brilliant man it's said and God bless him and I hope his research yields wonderful results... but he's got his whole schedule and agenda and he's following it as he should. Why he has had to take a shot at our country's policies and programs smacks of a bunch of ill thought out political bias. Good luck to you and good bye. I hope you find a cure... for anything!!
  59. parklane 47 from Washington, D.C., United States writes: Didn't Bush have a contempt for science, also? Is Harper so ideological that he shares this disdain of the intellectual elite? So, is this more of a political act on the part of the Conservative party then a mere funding cutback?
  60. Geordie Lad from Canada writes: Right on John.

    Lets get rid of everyone who has an IQ over 100.

    I wonder if he could take the RCMP with him.
  61. cool canadian from centre of canada, writes: One of the most serious afflications facing Canadians is'Harperitis'... but my friends there is an available antidote and it is referred to in generic terms as a General Election. I would humbly suggest that we as a nation take a large dose of it and rid ourselves of 'Harperitis' forever.
  62. P. Greig from Kingston, ON, Canada writes: Six years ago, the area north and west of UPenn was a slum, houses with plywood windows and satellite dishes. Glass in the gutters of the streets, where children play if they dare. Has it improved since then?

    Your social security tax payments are gone. Your salary is being destroyed by a true CPI annual change of 7%.

    The true unemployment rate in the USA is almost 20%.

    There is no more oil-consumption-for-frivolous-reasons country than the USA. They owe their past high standard of living to their prior consumption of cheap energy. The country has been in oil production decline since about 1972.

    Philadelphia was a beautiful city once. If you look closely at the remaining architecture, you can see that.

    You are a commodity to the Americans that hired you.

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    Ed Biggler from Philadelphia, United States writes: My own brain drained to the United States ten years ago and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Americans demand excellence, Canadians really don't care.

  63. Malone Sumself from Canada writes: Scientific research is important - so is staying within a countries means. Lots of areas to cut in the arts if we truly want to prioritize research. Not willing to cut the arts? If it means cutting infrastructure, cutting social programs or cutting health or law and order - then there is likely no money. If you want to cut Olympic funding for elite - or cut arts funding for those who cannot sell their product due to lack of demand - or if you want to cut the CBC budget- well please do. I would rather my tax money go to research than any of those other boondoggles.

    I don't feel its sound strategy to get into a bidding war with the USA and its monopoly money in order to retain scientists. This fellow is just chasing the money anyhow - he is already being paid with american $$.
  64. Philippe Davidson from Canada writes: It's a proven fact that a corporation that doesn't invest enough in R&D is likely to see it's competitive advantage gradually melt away or even disappear dramatically if a disruptive technology is introduced on it's market by a more innovative competitor.

    Technology needs the underpinning of basic research. Government funding is essential to make it happen; failure to do so will see the nation's standing decline first on the scientific front, second the technology front, third on the economic front, and finally on the political front (because of diminished influence on the global scene).

    It's a sad story when qualified scientists and technologists can't find work in their countries. I have several friends and acquaintances that moved to the US or elsewhere because of lack of opportunities over here.
  65. David Simon from Canada writes: Who cares whether he does research in Canada or Florida, as long as he does research.

    And as a person gets older, doesn't the cold weather affect you more?
  66. e waterloo from Canada writes: Truly disappointed in knowing there are people out there believing this brain-drain movement is an non-issue. We have a government bailing out union workers that make more than a highly-skilled R&D PhD, and what can we get in return from these 'workers'? So the team will be moving to Florida .... nice weather perhaps five months in a year, just like Ontario. Would you be happier if they get sent to Anatarica? At least we know highly-skilled people are able to move around globally. CAW workers take note!
  67. P. Greig from Kingston, ON, Canada writes: Factoring in the additional payroll deductions such as medical insurance, social security and medicare, taxes between the countries are not much different.

    irs.gov

    Download the USA tax return and complete it for yourself. There are also state and community taxes to be paid, depending on jurisdiction. Prove it to yourself.

    During his time as PM, the CFI program was born (1997).

    http://tiny.cc/QXFOw

    Some homework for you. Surely you don't want to live in ignorance.

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    Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    This is nothing new.

    We've had a brain drain from Canada to the US for decades now. Mostly it's because of high taxes here in Canada.

    And remember what old Chretien said once when he was PM? He completely denied the brain drain was happening!

    Perhaps Harper can deny it as well. Oh wait.....I forgot, people only believe that when a Liberal says it, not a Conservative.

  68. John Hertz from Canada writes: Why should Harper support science research for suck things like aids. After all Harper knows for a fact that faith healing works and is much cheaper works.

    Lets close all science research facilities and give the money to the likes of Charles McVety of the Abbotsford Alliance Church.

    All kidding aside the faster Harper is dumped the better the country will be.
  69. The Real PS from Canada writes: Can one person, who is being critical of Harper, describe to me how much the current Govt spends on R&D and whether it's more or less than the Chretien years?
  70. Roger Cooper from Canada writes: 'Therein lies the problem' is precisely it, Catherine Wilkie. Underlying much of the current government's policy is a theological foundation that sees world events, such as the HIV pandemic, as divine vengeance. If we could send this lot back to 'walk with Barney,' the country would rid itself of some intellectual dead weight and spring forward.

    Barney might also.
  71. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: 'Ed Biggler from Philadelphia, United States writes: My own brain drained to the United States ten years ago'

    Will our economy ever recover from the loss of Ed and his highly educated Walmart greetings?
  72. guillaume affleck from crimilibzbollah, Canada writes: Roger Cooper ' a theological foundation'

    Rog the last two PMs before this one were active members of a Theological organization that to this day routinely block access to simple technology that helps reduce the spread of AIDS.

    Was that a problem?

    Ick.
  73. Rebel Prince from Berlin, Germany writes: Canada's Conservative Dark Days will be over soon, but not before Harper can do this kind of hard-to-reverse damage to Canada's chances in the knowledge race among the world's economies.

    On this score and many others, Dion would have been just fine. But Ignatieff will be even better.
  74. Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    >>P. Greig from Kingston, ON, Canada writes: Factoring in the additional payroll deductions such as medical insurance, social security and medicare, taxes between the countries are not much different.

    I know for a fact that you are not correct. I've been filing US returns since 1991.
  75. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    A bit of a cheap shot, sour grapes article which clearly omits the reality of the at least last 30 years in Canada concerning several diverse industries.

    EX: How long have private US hospitals been recruiting top notch doctors/radiologists etc.. from our hospitals? Our nursing professionals? In several Canadian cities, they hold information sessions on a yearly basis and are aggressive. The packages they offered ,as govt. is not involved, made it difficult to say no for many.

    Many private universities, where tuition is $20K-40K per year along with a very active alumni and other private corp. investment have always allowed them to attract the best from not only Canada, but around the world. The salaries and working conditions are far superior. ( Ever been to a private US hospital??)

    As for looking elsewhere for opportunity, there is a certain federal Party leader who taught at UBC for 2 years between 1976-1978 then left Canada for superior opportunities in the UK until 2000, then left there to join Harvard until 2005. It does say something about exploring foreign opportunities and clearly points out this phenomena is not just 3 years old!
    .
  76. Bill Hopkins from London, Canada writes: The US can afford him. We can't!
  77. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes:
    No research, no autonomous Canadian industry.

    The germination time from research to commercialization can be anywhere from 7 to 15 years.

    Harper is not sowing the seeds of the future, because he does not believe in Canada's future.

    As Canadians are learn about new extremes of corruption in Ottawa, the only time-window that interests the grasping and narcissistic Conservatives is how long it takes for them to collect their envelopes of cash.

    Only the scoundrels at the top have enough influence to sell. For the rest, Harper's policies are slo-mo suicide. Without R&D, there won't be the margins to generate enough taxes for their sinecures.
  78. A Becedarian from Toronto, Canada writes: I too would like some actual statistics on overall federal funding of research over the last 15 years, as opposed to the Globe latching onto a story about one lab leaving, and an alleged cut to one program, as a way to further bash the Conservative government.
  79. Ken Woodwords from Ottawa, Canada writes: Why do we need great minds in Canada? We have oil, water, and trees and we buy everything from States and China. We are such a happy family. (sarcasm)
  80. Fangus Caimbeul from Canada writes: It matters not WHERE good scientists do their work.
    If there's more $$$ in the USA for research then it's OK.
    If these scients find a cure for AIDS then the whole world will benefit.
    It's not where the work is done, it's will they find a cure????
  81. Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    >>A Becedarian from Toronto, Canada writes: I too would like some actual statistics on overall federal funding of research over the last 15 years, as opposed to the Globe latching onto a story about one lab leaving, and an alleged cut to one program, as a way to further bash the Conservative government.

    Agreed.

    Did the G&M report this?

    http://www.garygoodyear.com/EN/6892/87000
  82. P. Greig from Kingston, ON, Canada writes: Did you live there, as an American does? Did you pay local payroll taxes? Did you rely on local services? Did you belong to an HMO? Did you have to get new bank and credit card accounts, without having a transferable credit history? Did you import your vehicle through the border? Did you live in the USA, as a resident alien? Or do you have dual citizenship, which is different circumstances? Not my business, nor of any interest, but this illustrates the point.

    You may be correct as far as you understand. Commuting to the States, or owning property in the States, is not the same as living in the States as an American, albeit without the right to vote.

    Hamilton, Ontario - yes? That I can see, you have always posted using Hamilton as your home address.

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    Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    >>P. Greig from Kingston, ON, Canada writes: Factoring in the additional payroll deductions such as medical insurance, social security and medicare, taxes between the countries are not much different.

    I know for a fact that you are not correct. I've been filing US returns since 1991.
  83. Ground Working from Canada writes: Give me a break. This guy is taking a partisan shot on the way out the door, and he isn't the first professor to couch his own self-interest in the high drama of politics.

    Do you critics actually believe that he's the first academic to leave Canada for a job in the USA? It has happened for decades, and for the same reason: money.

    In any case, the way that government funding for science works means that the top grant applications would be awarded and then so on down the line until the money runs out. The government doesn't cut 15% from all grant applications; they'd cut 15% of the amount allocated to science which would mean that about 15% fewer applicants would receive money. The top 85%, though, would still get their money.

    Which raises the question. If this guy is a top AIDS researcher, then why is he complaining about funding shortfalls when grant applications are ranked by a panel of his colleagues?
  84. David Stevens from CANADIAN DARK-AGE, Canada writes: Harper's ideology is anti-science, just as Bush's was.

    Harper is only interested in Science if it furthers his goals.

    Science is good if it puts a missile into the air.

    Science is bad if it says we must reduce green-house gasses.

    He is for anything that enables him to get what he wants. Against anything that stands in his way.

    Why would you cut science funding in Canada, while Obama is increasing it in the US? Especially at a time when the government is throwing money at everything to 'stimulate' the economy?

    Welcome to the Canadian Dark-ages.
  85. Steven Koning from Bloomfield, ON, Canada writes: Anything that encourages researchers to move around the globe and share their ideas and work with others in other countries is a good thing. Too often researchers morph into hide-bound academic tower dwellers incapable of weaning themselves from the government tit.
  86. Normand LaBine from Winnipeg, Canada writes: The AIDS scientist is saying that Harper should search his what? His soul? LMAO. The man gets his speeches written. It took him hours to prepare his own for the G20. Bush used to write them for him, and he now hires Bush's speech writers.

    You're asking for too much, sir. Our darling PM wants us to be miners, roughnecks and lumberjacks or ranchers.

    The 11 Commandment: Thou shalt not think!
    The 12th: If thou breaketh the 11th, do it in silence.
    The 13th: Please don't vote, we might lose Quebec even more or Firewall it completely.
  87. on the contrary you need to think my way from Canada writes: good Bye
  88. Roger Cooper from Canada writes: guillaume affleck from crimilibzbollah said: 'Was that a problem?'

    Ick, apparently not. University labs and research centres blossomed, producing and attracting new talent, such as those in Dr. Sťkaly's group.

    As for the simple 'technology' that helps prevent the spread of HIV, that would be a question of personal choice, the current and past PM's included, despite the official doctrine.

    But of course the correct path is abstinence -- yes? -- which is why the 'Barney people' oppose the installation of dispensers of this simple and effective technology in schools.
  89. F B from Montrťal, Canada writes: The irony is the more we lose ground from the 'knowledge based economy' the more the RoC becomes dependent on economies like 'oil rich' Alberta.
  90. Steven Koning from Bloomfield, ON, Canada writes: So this is the thanks Canada gets from this Lebanese immigrant for taking him in all these years and supporting him.
  91. Philip Dabous from Canada writes: The research will continue in the U.S. What is the great loss to Canada - the 'jobs', the prestige,...what? Let this researcher go, and ignore the funding gun-to-the-head that he hints at in his admonishments. If our researchers don't exhibit a wee bit of disinterested pursuit of scientific questions and some restraint about money matters, then what hope of forestalling a complete collapse into materialism does our society have?
  92. North Star from Canada writes: Canadians remember when Harper withheld promised AIDS funding for the sake of his political advantage during the last AIDS conference in Toronto. Harper said at the time 'he wasn't going to politicize the funding' and didn't release the monies as he was getting poor press coverage. Yet Harper himself has said several times before that AIDS kills thousands every day but for his own political advantage he sentenced many of these same people to death by preventing the funding for life-saving anti-viral medicines.

    Canadians need a 21st century leader, not one who will take Canada backwards to the 1950's.

    Harper must go.
  93. Normand LaBine from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Fangus Caimbeul from Canada writes: It matters not WHERE good scientists do their work.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    It does matter. It takes 5 years for Health Canada to approve foreign-engineered medicines and treatments and devices. At least 5 years.
  94. Steven Koning from Bloomfield, ON, Canada writes: 'Top Aids Researcher Lured Away by Florida' is the headline. Not so long ago the headline was: '(Richard) Florida Lured to Ontario for Top Research'. What goes around comes around. S.O.S.O.
  95. Derek live..... from the center of the universe from Canada writes: another alarmist article ......headlines broadcast accross the board regarding a 148 million dollar cut to three granting bodies and buried deep in the bottom of the article a small reference the the 2.75 billion dollar increase in science and science institution funding...this article to be factual should read a '2.6 billion dollar science funding injection' Half truths and incomplete information the halmark of G&M reporting
  96. The Dupes from ottawa, Canada writes: You think Harper cares about people with Aids? All he wants is new trucks , tanks and big toys to play with in his sand box; and don't get me started on his parties religous convictions.
  97. Serenity Now from Canada writes: Well of course, in the right wing parties...it's much better to spend money on roads and cars! :P

    The complete lack of vision or planning from our government is repulsive. Reactionaries covered in that puffy translucent skin.

    Mind you, I think they do have a plan, and it's to ruin everything and usher in a North American Union. Then surprise surprise everything will suddenly work again overnight, like 'magic'.

    Indeed!
  98. Kublah Khan from Canada writes: How can Harper possibly afford money for scientific research, he needs the money for the war in Afghanistan. History will show that Canada 'wasted' billions trying to succeed where countless others have failed. Harper is unwilling to learn the lessons of History. Harper is opposed to science, unwilling to learn from history, just what can he learn from?
  99. L F from Canada writes: Time for the scientist to step back and regain the connection with why they choose to do what they do.
    To find a cure for any disease is a universal collaboration and the effects are also realized across the globe.
    If you put our population into perspective with the population of the United States I think the funding is quite good here.
    To suggest that because Obama will offer double the funding he is light years a head of Canada is misleading at best. Double does not even begin to close the gap if you figure funding on a per capita basis.
    Surly it’s time for scientists and The Globe to start comparing apples to apples.

    John Hertz not only are you not funny but to try to reopen the religious right fable in order to defame conservatives is childish and clearly reinforces the desperate position the Liberals have found themselves in for the last while. Good luck with that.
  100. guillaume affleck from crimilibzbollah, Canada writes: Roger The church of Rome and it's loyal followers dropped its 'oppos[ition to] the installation of dispensers'

    Hmmm.

    Secret stuff!

    Sounds like the same old liberal double standards and ill-informed religious bigotry to me. But tell us more about the secret policy changes!!
  101. Derek live..... from the center of the universe from Canada writes: look at the Alberta Heritage Medical research center http://www.ahfmr.ab.ca/experts/search.php almost 25 % of the reasearchers have been drawn from the US ....if the institution is fantastic like the world renowned Heritage medical research park is in Calgary it will draw experts. Alarmist journalism .....there will be those that will constantly call for more funding ..we should always push the envelope and pursue more high level research but it has to be done is amore responsible way
  102. D F from Canada writes: I think the scientists have stated it quite plainly. This is how things will continue if we keep Harper in, and it won't just be science.
  103. Honesty is the best Policy from Canada writes:
    Canada's New Government,

    Always a day late and a dollar short.
  104. guillaume affleck from crimilibzbollah, Canada writes: Normand LaBine (where have you been you crazy crank, I missed your posts)

    'It takes 5 years for Health Canada to approve foreign-engineered medicines and treatments and devices. At least 5 years.'

    It takes the same amount of time no matter where anything is invented.
  105. Lyla Weinsheimer from Cairo, Egypt writes: When will we get rid of the Bible Belt Harperites who are ruining our scietific reputation? How does this part of the country deserve to run the show? I'm ashamed of the backward behaviour of our govenment. Wake up the rest of you!!!!Lyla
  106. J. Bergin from Canada writes: Seriously, does it REALLY matter where he does his research? If he finds a cure while working in Florida, does anyone think he won't tell Canada?
  107. Derek live..... from the center of the universe from Canada writes: The Dupes from ottawa, Canada writes: You think Harper cares about people with Aids? All he wants is new trucks , tanks and big toys to play with in his sand box; At least someone is trying to give the previously ill prepared troops the equipment to do thier jobs . You obviously know that the liberals sent our troops into a combat situation without parlimentary consent and completely ill-prepared and suffering from a decade of financial mismanagement. When the Conservatives asked for and cot majority parlimentary consent to extend the mission to 2011 there was an understanding that equipment needed to be purchased.
  108. Vic Hotte from Kettleby, Canada writes: Very sad to lose such talent. This nation's scientific and medical 'stars' have to head to the USA ... and that's exactly the same place our politicians go when they are sick. Unfortunately, our politicians look for ribbon-cutting ceremonies so they will waste more money on new roads and bridges, etc. Canadian politicians always give money to construction workers, but this should no longer be the nation's top priority. Construction workers build or enlarge existing highways, hospitals, government buildings, plaster the landscape with subdivisions and other forms of development congestion. Once hospitals are built, no longer of government will fund new equipment or needed staff. Doesn't make sense. Where's the balance?
  109. Lynn Pelletier from Canada writes: I have tried to figure out from reading the budget, stats Can info and previous years budget for R&D to see what the noise is about. As near as I (a ordinary tax payer) can figure out. There have been no cuts to R&D.

    He states funding is only part of the reason he is leaving and he will still be maintaing his lab in Canada. Nice gig two labs one in each country.

    Florida is lovely especially after this past winter of snow and bitter cold, this has always been a big part of losing people to the US. States with lovely climates.

    This will change when global warming sets in, people will be clamoring to get to Canada and her balmy clime.

    Pretty foolish of a scientist to ask Harper to search something we all know does not exist. We know and he should know there is no such thing as a soul.
  110. Martha K from Canada writes: Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding was that Mr. Harper did NOT cut R&D funding - he just didn't add to it, angering the scientific community.

    This specialist would have gone to the US under any circumstances - everything they do on behalf of 10X our population, is quite obviously 10X our budget - we could not have matched that amount unless we drastically reduced some other program - or even another scientific R&D program as valuable as his. The numbers just wouldn't add up. Any major input from Canada into his research would still have been minor league compared to the US.

    And, my understanding as well is that in the Martin and Chretien years, R&D was pretty stagnant. So I'm not sure what kind of partisan politics the G&M is playing here.
  111. Hockey Guy from Ottawa, Canada writes: Harper is just the same type of toady to the Christian fundamentalists (who are likely the source of his funding for his leadership run and the source of most of the funds the Conservatives enjoy) as Bush was, same policies, same results so far as well in regards to degredation fo teh standards of their respective countries... but as with Bush, Harper will eventualy go, likely in the next election, and Canada will become Canada again, as the US has become the US again...
  112. Alber Tan from Canada writes:

    This article doesn't seem to indicate that he either had is funding cut (3.5M) or is actually leaving the job as he is still going to spend 1/3 of his time on the project.

    Orwellian use of information.
  113. Ruby Christal from Edmonton, Canada writes: Every time the PM farts, it costs us more than our annual basic scientific research budget.

    E.g. 1% of the cost of chasing harmless potheads who want to grow their own plants, would be a huge boost to science.

    E.g. 0.1% of the automotive dinosaurs fund could have kept Genome Canada running.

    Basic research has a bad name with Conservatives because they don't see any immediate pay-back. They are a visionless lot, these neo-cons!
  114. Kevin Isicovit from Edmonton, Canada writes: When you are the best, someone will pay whatever you want to get your talent on their team.

    How does Florida benefit from funding his research? Do they get a percentage of profits generated from the production of his vaccine, if he figures out how to do it? What if they fund this stage of research, but then he leaves for another state in a couple of years, and he discovers/develops the vaccine there? Does Florida get a piece of that pie?
  115. Overtaxed and underlaid from Canada writes: Bring on an election this summer. I'm ready to give Iggy a chance.
  116. bob london from Canada writes: Admit it. Boomer wants to move south for the weather.
  117. The Real PS from Canada writes: You (The Real PS, from Canada) wrote: Can one person, who is being critical of Harper, describe to me how much the current Govt spends on R&D and whether it's more or less than the Chretien years?
    .
    Hmmm didn't think so....
  118. sean paul from Canada writes: never mind what harper did, what about martin, chretien, trudeau and st. laurent and mckenzie king? what about the streetcar on bloor and it used to be yonge? blame anybody but stevie dumpty and his retro band of ignorami! they've done nothing wrong. they haven't done anything right. well, they didn't do anything. they're the forefront of ignorance and i defy any poll to get it right, er wrong. we're better at marching in single file with a used trumpet. we don't need scientists anyhow.
    fearless leader will find a way. blame the liberals! or the bloc! ndp?
  119. Roman Spears from Canada writes:

    'The federal government has defended its approach to science funding. Science Minister Gary Goodyear says the cuts were one part of a budget that included $2-billion for infrastructure projects at Canadian universities and $750-million for the Canada Foundation for Innovation, which helps researchers buy expensive equipment. '

    ***
    Typical of this government's approach, if you have a shovel they may give you a dollar, if you have a brain then they don't give a damn about you. If you have both a shovel and a brain then my advice to you is play dumb until someone else is in power, at least that way you may get a dollar out of those clowns on the Hill.

    A new government and a new hope for us all cannot come soon enough.
  120. P Martin from St. John's, Canada writes: I know of a few friends who have been approached by organizations in the US. One is a top research in cancer, another is an innovative researcher on fish and another is with life sciences. All three got their funding cut. All three received better offers outside the country. One has gone and the other 2 are debating it. One is not mobile so I do not know what she is going to do. But the other I believe is not far from leaving. Under Harper, this has become a strongly possibility. And the sooner Harper is gone the better.
  121. BoB ImamI from Canada writes: ..//

    What has this guy produced?

    Anything???

    If he is just an R&D parasite... let him go.

    ..//
  122. N. American from New York, United States writes: Seems to me, if he takes his research, and his staff with him to another lab; his work will continue, which is the primary objective.

    One might suspect that his decision to leave Canada had something to do with his 'personal' funding as his projects.

    Again, if he continues to work on AIDS research in the US; its a net-zero loss on that important project.
  123. William Gibb from Toronto, Canada writes: Millions for research, while giving Billions to failed companies and Billions for an unwinnable war (not to mention the loss of our young troops) Seems we're more concerned with destroying life than saving it.
    We have no business wasting lives and resources in A'stan while we are in a recession...Bring our troops home NOW!!
  124. Greg Smith from Canada writes: Barrack's budget deficit is now in the TRILLIONS!! Once consequences of thier uncontrolled spending hits the street...old Barrack may be a one term president.

    I would rather forgoe some short-term R&D for a longterm and stable country...

    You cant make everybody happy.
  125. Eastern view from da west from Canada writes:

    This has been going on forever in all disciplines, we use to call it brain drain but the left would always say those leaving were greedy. What a schmuck to blame it on Harper. It's the Canadian way stupid. We penalize anyone and everyone who does well in all aspects.

    First article in promoting Ignatief. G&M is like in/out for the LPC.

    Cheers to all the hacks.
  126. Darrin Duell from Canada writes: Might as well go to the U.S. if your a biomedical researcher, it will be an American Company that will cash in on your research whether its developed in Canada or not. Canada doesn't have the investment environment, that will see these types of research through to a marketable product. I prefer not to subsidize American Pharma through my tax dollars. I think that the investment in infrastructure is the right move, and when the economic situation improves funding for research can be increased in new state of the art facilities..
  127. rahim ladha from Canada writes: Harper is deaf to the pleas of Science community

    It's a pity, he is ready to fund brick and concrete projects at the university but is totally ignoring people who Make those universities what they are....
  128. Free The West Free The West from BC, Canada writes: Meanwhile, I too could be in a screaming G&M headline if I was willing to critisize the Harper government.
  129. Normand LaBine from Winnipeg, Canada writes: guillaume affleck from crimilibzbollah, Canada writes: Normand LaBine (where have you been you crazy crank, I missed your posts)

    Getting stuff done, Bill. Nothing changes. Every body rants about or defends their Partisan Stockholm love affair and our democracy keeps looking more and more like a vague artifact.

    If we don't fund science, we don't need University grads. We don't need a Patent system (never defends us anyway, and is far too rigid, compared to US or UK patent registrations).

    I see one Albertan chatting up his new Lab in Calgary, and wonder why so far from all the US labs? I can understand a cold weather lab or an Energy lab in Alberta, but the air cost to attend symposiums, share research, and transport their materials, from Alberta?
    This topic ignores all the spin-oofs that come from AIDS research done in Canada.
  130. Cesar Fernandez-Stoll from Cambridge, Canada writes: Only 15 times the word AIDS appears in all comments to this article, yet AIDS research is what this future US immigrant is 'reasoning' as his reason to move from Canada. Canada jobs are scarce because of lack of competition and the cost of doing business and that, is what has been going on for years, because we are drawn in regulations and over taxation, particularly income taxation which should be the first thing to go if we really want any change to start for the good of our people. AIDS is one drama that can be better researched by controlling it first with certain groups abstaining from certain habits and it is not in the first cause of alarm for the great population of the country. In any case, our taxes are not for scientific research, subsidies or grants, which is the roll of universities and/or other institutions with special interests and if by removing funding from the federal government this university feels not to be reasonable any longer to continue with that research maybe is because the other areas deserving much better attention which require their funds to be oriented to. The wake up call should be on all other funding given by the federal and by other levels of government because it is really up to these institutions to address science without political interference and political funding does interfere with science and its findings.
  131. Edwin Lee from Toronto, Canada writes: Bad luck for him.

    No funding for him.
    Harper too busy saving US auto industries.

    Suggest he build his lab in GM.
  132. Being Canadian from Canada writes: This is no surprise, Harper's 'people' believe that humans lived with Dinosaurs, just like the Flintstones! Canadians and all those who voted for this lot (which is a vote against Canada), deserve exactly what they get. 'Soul searching'...yeah right, gotta have one first, it requires conscientiousness. Harper and his people show no evidence or capacity in this way.
  133. Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: StatsCanada March 29, 2009: Spending intentions on research and development (R&D) in the health field amounted to $6.2 billion (current dollars) in 2008, an increase of about $53 million over the previous year. This spending will account for about one-fifth of the anticipated $29.1 billion in total gross domestic expenditure on R&D.
  134. Lynn Pelletier from Canada writes: Being Canadian from Canada writes: This is no surprise,
    Harper's 'people' believe that humans lived with Dinosaurs,

    Edwin Lee from Toronto, Canada writes: Bad luck for him.

    Can either of you tell me how much R&D funding was cut? and how much this guys funding was cut?

    Can anyone tell me how much R&D funding was cut?
  135. Commander Groovechild from Canada writes: It is easy to argue for cuts in funding when resources are tight. But we are pumping billions into GM and Chrysler to subsidize vehicles, taking an equity stake and threatening the security of the Ford and Honda. We have reduced lending costs to banks to nearly 0 percent. Our country has been overrun by communists, fraudsters and spineless jackals who got into power on false pretences. There is no integrity or sense of direction in our system. We should be supporting high technology - not just the individual projects but also the jobs - to protect our intellectual and innovative capacity.
  136. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ....this gang of neocons appear to have a pathological hatred for things scientific....
  137. Being Canadian from Canada writes: Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: StatsCanada March 29, 2009: Spending intentions on research and development (R&D) in the health field amounted to $6.2 billion (current dollars) in 2008, an increase of about $53 million over the previous year. This spending will account for about one-fifth of the anticipated $29.1 billion in total gross domestic expenditure on R&D.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Anyone who took statistics in University knows one thing...figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

    Thanks for your...um...stats.
  138. Risto Richards from Tofino, Canada writes: Remember,
    For the the hard core religious right in the Conservative Party, science is Satan.

    We need to fund University research to ensure that discoveries continue to happen as scientists push the research envelope. The good news is that Universities are getting better at commercializing their research and patents to fund their own research.

    It is a sad state of affairs in Canada that the humanities and basic science are getting the shaft by the Government.

    More money for multinationals, less for the future of Canada.
  139. B W from Canada writes: so does anyone REALLY know the numbers on Canada's science funding?

    I guess what I want to know is if the science funding uproar is like the arts funding uproar that got people all in a rage over 'funding cuts', when in fact, but for a few programs, overall arts funding increased under Harper? or is science funding actually down? I know Harper's gov't is opting for a more targeted approach, rather than the 'money (we don't have) for everyone' approach of the new US administration.
  140. Roger Cooper from Canada writes: guillaume affleck from crimilibzbollah: 'But tell us more about the secret policy changes!!'

    Guillaume, you might email the head of the Church of Rome with your question. Try benedictxvi@vatican.va. If you are a conspiracy enthusiast, you might try the Club of Rome at info@clubofrome.org.

    J. Bergin: yes it REALLY does matter. The bio-tech industry is a multi-billion dollar industry that employs many Canadians. It both funds and commercially exploits the results of research coming out of university labs and other research centres. Universities derive considerable income from the licensing of intellectual property they produce, and this money goes back in to the labs to further research and attract talent.

    When a world-class researcher such as Dr. Dr. Sťkaly leaves Canada, we lose not just the expertise of his group, but the potential for future growth in the field. Putting aside the lives that may be saved, it makes good economic sense to encourage and fund scientific research in this country.
  141. michael powell from Canada writes: a gnat has more soul
  142. Paul F. from AB, Canada writes:
    Hmm, let's see: Florida or Montreal? That's a real toughy.

    I'd pick Florida hands down especially with their new-found cheap real estate and absolutely fantastic weather.

    That's not even a fair comparison on those two factors alone. Let alone that the States has better 'emergency funding' due to the economic stimulus.
  143. Prsn Nep from Canada writes: Harper is well on his way to make Canada a third-world country.
  144. New Canadian from Mississauga, Canada writes: Harper is dumb and obviously he chooses dumb ministers to make dumb decisions.... that's all I know. He and his team do not have any long-term vision. They are more reactive than proactive, which is why we are far behind many developed countries. Surprisingly, Canada is still called developed country whereas it is only comparable to developing countries in terms of innovation, technology, and many more.
  145. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: I can't imagine how anyone here thinks they're looking better to Canadian's as a whole by defending policies that drive innovation and research capacity to our competitors, because trade partners or not, the US are our competitors and just lured away some of our best talent.

    I can't imagine a major corporation lasting ten minutes with the attitude I see here from those defending this lax funding.
  146. Anne Peterson from Canada writes: I can't believe the ignorance of some of the people on here who don't ever seem to know what they are talking about. Immunology research is what will protect all of you from many, many things including the swine flu and the research in these labs will lead to good industries and jobs for Canadians. The conservatives want to dumb down this country so it is easier to control.
  147. Sask Resident from Canada writes: Why didn't the Quebec government step up and increase R&D funding to keep the research in Montreal? Would be easy to do by making some minor cuts to arts funding to save potential life-saving research? Maybe Demarais, like Gates, could provide some long-term funding to keep the research in Montreal.
  148. Is there anybody out there from Saltspring Island, Canada writes: Harper's evangelistic hate for science see: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=80f6fdff-cc0e-4a08-9b96-76f3db32808e

    and

    http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2006.10-politics-religion-stephen-harper-and-the-theocons/

    read and think about it.
  149. Robert MacDonald from Canada writes: What can I say... our minister of science is a intelligent design supporting chiropractor.
  150. Lynn Pelletier from Canada writes: B W from Canada writes: so does anyone REALLY know the numbers on Canada's science funding?

    Aparrently from the comments on this board funding has nothing to do with it. It is a pity party for a scientist who was going to Florida anyway while maintaining in a Lab in Canada.

    This is pure partisan BS because funding to this scientist was not cut.

    How lucky can you be to get funding from two countries to work on your project.?
  151. Tiu Leek from Canada writes: 'TALLAHASSEE - Lawmakers finished work Wednesday on a plan to patch a $2.4 billion hole in the state budget, ending their 10-day special session but realizing that a tougher task lies ahead when the regular session convenes in March.

    The Senate approved the measure, which raids trust funds and cuts state agencies while increasing traffic fines, on a 27-13 vote. All but one Democrat voted no. The House vote, 74-43, was along party lines.

    Republicans said their plan was the best that could be expected in a climate of tumbling state tax collections; GOP leaders made it clear even before the session began that any tax increases to patch the formerly $66 billion budget were off the table in a troubled economy.

    'We have less money because Floridians have less money,' said Rep. Anitere Flores, R-Miami, who chairs the House panel overseeing education funding.
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    In other words, if I were Dr Rakaly, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the funding is greener on the other side.
  152. Let me tell You How It Is from United States writes: 'He moved to Canada from Lebanon in 1986, and says this country has given him a lot.'
    /
    /
    Typical of the sad Musical the 'Canada Story': like tens of thousands of other Canadians or Canadian immigrants in the arts, music, entertainment, science, business, health care their opportunities for advancement in Branch Plant country north of 49th hit the glass ceiling. All these Canadian economic refugees abandon the sinking Canada ship and flee.
    /
    /
    He and his wife must be happy having grown up in Lebanon, Florida has the closet climate to home. Being April the snow has finally melted from Montreal. He is a logical person and to any logical person would you rather live in a sunny tropical environment, be respected by the community, not have the hassle of dealing with the decades long archaic Canadian research granting system, get a higher salary and less cost of living OR live in Montreal?
  153. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: B W from Canada writes: '... so does anyone REALLY know the numbers on Canada's science funding?...'

    Yes. It has gone up consistently since the 90s, but averaged out it never rose beyond inflation, so it has essentially been stagnant.

    What some people are missing however is the sudden increase in competition. It has suddenly becoming exceptional economically important to start generating new innovations in science and technology.

    We've slowly built an edge during the last decade that we may lose overnight because our government won't recognize the sudden competition from down south.

    Harper's slow reactions will screw us all. Somebody needs to wake him up.

    Hey Guillaume, you see Harper nearly everyday, why not mention it? LOL
  154. Joey Clams from United States writes: Mr. Grieg: The University of Pennsylvania is investing $500 million into that slum, just as Harvard is investing in nearby Allston. So, things will be changing. Those universities have seen tough times before. They're not going anywhere.
  155. Scenic Sask! from Canada writes: I am a staunch Conservative supporter but Harper has dropped the ball BIG TIME on scientific R&D.
  156. Sue W from Canada writes: Ontario to provide major new research funding
    $100-million to keep top scientists from departing for U.S.
    theglobeandmail.com

    Quebec can provide the money.
  157. The Last Fenian from Canada writes: .
    In the Harper/Reform world of Creationism and The End Of Days, science is irrelevant at best and apostasy at worst.

    And science that works in the area of AIDS research is pointless as:

    1) AIDS is a disease of sinners - homosexuals and drug users. Infection is God's punishment for sinful ways.

    2) The world will end shortly anyway and all those AIDS infectees will be getting what they derserve in the Final Judgement.

    .
  158. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Most of the bashers never get to actually read the story--let alone get to the end. So what does it ACTUALLY say......near the end:

    Around 20 members of his team cannot relocate to Florida, so he will keep a lab in Montreal.
    He plans to spend one third of his time THERE, and says the Montreal-based scientists on his team will benefit from the increased level of funding he expects to get in the United States.


    So half of his team is leaving and half staying back and he will be spending 33% of his time in the USA and 66% of his time in Montreal and his Montreal team will benefit from funding! Oh, the doom and gloom of it!
    .
  159. Ivan Wilson from Canada writes: It's called payment-for-results and this guy hasn't produced. Too many university types live in a cocoon of taxpayer $$ and produce nothing of real value.

    Bye-bye.
  160. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes: A special in the Globe this year - the war on conservatism
  161. Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: Meanwhile US colleges are dropping sports programs and the scholarships that go with them. Sounds OK but sports programs give many American students a chance for a college education. Jack Kemp (died over the weekend) went to college on a scholarship.

    US colleges are moving funding from sports to research to take advantage of Obama grants.
  162. Lynn Pelletier from Canada writes: The Last Fenian from Canada writes: .
    In the Harper/Reform world of Creationism and The End Of Days, science is irrelevant at best and apostasy at worst.

    And science that works in the area of AIDS research is pointless as:

    1) AIDS is a disease of sinners - homosexuals and drug users. Infection is God's punishment for sinful ways.

    2) The world will end shortly anyway and all those AIDS infectees will be getting what they derserve in the Final Judgement

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    IDIOT!
  163. Scenic Sask! from Canada writes: The Last Fenian - The winner of the 'Ignorant Post of the Day' award. Take your blinders off and look around.
  164. David K from Guelph, Canada writes: Interesting arguments in favour of current government policy: 'we're too small', 'this is nothing new', 'so what has he done lately', 'the weather is nicer down there', 'all these people are parasites'. If this represents a cross section of the intellectual elite of Conservative supporters we might just as well all go back to hewing wood and carrying water should they ever win a majority.
  165. A Chinaman from Canada writes: Don't play the blame game!
    Let us look at two other cases: LC. Tsui from Sick Kid and T. Mak from Princess Maragret. Both have been nominated (or mentioned) for the Nobel. Tsiu left for HK without saying any government cut. It was a personal career promotion. Did he blame any research money cutting? He left because of personal advancement. That is simple and clear-cut. Mak turned down the offer from Yale but he still remains working in Toronto. His decision is also very personal. His personal life style is more important than big money from the States. Come and Go is very common within the research circle. Don't make a fuss!
  166. Robert MacDonald from Canada writes: http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=80f6fdff-cc0e-4a08-9b96-76f3db32808e
  167. Andrew Toms from Toronto, Canada writes: About the funding cut: the new federal budget cuts about $150 million from the basic research funding of the so-called tri-council (NSERC, CIHR, SSHRC). Basic research grants in science have been getting both smaller and more difficult to obtain over the past 2-3 years. Canadian grants contain no money for the principal investigator's salary, while American grants do. The latter system gets researchers out of bed in the morning. Researchers are entitled to enjoy and pursue high salaries---it motivates them like it motivates anyone else.
  168. Katherine R from Canada writes: My husband and I are in a similar position, although we are more junior researchers at the first stage of our careers. We both have Ph.D.s and would love to live in Canada but there are almost no opportunities for us there. We currently work at MIT and Harvard, which is great, but kind of sad that after all the schooling we have done (we have 6 degrees between us) and despite all our expertise, we have no opportunities in Canada. We have both had offers in England, Scotland, New Zealand, Netherlands and Switzerland, but not from Canada. Hopefully that will change some day and we can return to Canada, but that will surely not happen under the current Prime Minister.
  169. Malone Sumself from Canada writes: It is laughable reading the dogma from some posters. There are a segment of posters who have such a blind hatred for anything non-liberal that they have convinced themselves they are being persecuted by an imaginary religous right that controls their leaders and their destinies.

    They seem to truly believe the nonsense around the religous right, the conservative religious zealots and that cons see HIV as Gods revenge. You people are so afraid of society that you have made up your own little boogie man. Get a life - stop accusing others of the same trash you represent - bigotry and discrimination.
  170. Lance M from Canada writes: I think the collapsing US dollar will send a lot of ex-pats that left for the US flocking back to Canada. Unfortunately there won't be much in the way of work for them here either. As for this situation, government cuts to services and programs are inevitable, everywhere by every government. Get used to it, the availability of resources is declining no matter where you go.
  171. Counterspinner tells the truth from Canada writes: Michael J. Fox, Jim Carrey, William Shatner ....... anybody who is good at anything will move to the US because it is the best country in the world. These departures have been taking place since before Mr. Harper. And besides, if this guy was any good, he would have discovered a cure for aids.
  172. Disgusted Canadian from Canada writes: Isn't it funny, but these socalled R&D people are just like those scabby unions, the country and the world economies are on their knees but do they care, ofcourse not? It's all about greed!
  173. Lynn Pelletier from Canada writes: David K from Guelph, Canada writes: Interesting arguments in favour of current government policy: 'we're too small', 'this is nothing new', 'so what has he done lately', 'the weather is nicer down there', 'all these people are parasites'. If this represents a cross section of the intellectual elite of Conservative supporters we might just as well all go back to hewing wood and carrying water should they ever win a majority.

    It is people like you that base your opinion on a headline and not on the facts that need that give Liberals a bad name.

    Maybe try reading the article and tell me, is his lab leaving Canada? Is he leaving anyone behind to maintain the lab? What 2 countries will he have funding from to work on his project?
  174. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Bye.

    Let's get real here. He's leaving for nearly double the grant money.

    To suggest he is leaving due to cuts made by Harper is disingenuous since those cuts didn't have his budget.
  175. Just a pimento from inside the olive, Canada writes: Like others here on this thread, my choices for career advancement after completing my PhD at a Canadian university were limited in Canada. I chose to stay in Canada due to balances between personal and professional advancement, but the move basically meant I had to give up hopes of academia. Tough decision but the right one for me, and luckily I ended up finding a good position doing worthwhile and challenging work that used my skills and knowledge.

    Providing all the money for infrastructure is useless if you don't follow it up with money to train (and keep) highly qualified researchers to use those expensive labs with specialized equipment. Ask just about any young prof in science who has been given a big infrastructure grant but then a pittance of a grant to hire students and researchers, and they'll echo that statement.
  176. Richard Daystrom from Canada writes: If the US facility was in Anchorage then I bet we wouldn't be having this discussion.
  177. The Last Fenian from Canada writes: .

    Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes:

    'Meanwhile US colleges are dropping sports programs and the scholarships that go with them. Sounds OK but sports programs give many American students a chance for a college education. '
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    And of course the funding of an athletic student because he was blessed with athletic talent denies that funding to a deserving academic student who wasn't born with the athlete's gifts.

    Athletic scholarships are fundamentally unfair.

    .
  178. Brad Larson from Canada writes: Michael J. Fox, Jim Carrey, William Shatner ....... anybody who is good at anything will move to the US because it is the best country in the world...

    Don't you know...

    Canada has a CRTC socialized agenda, to keep talentless musicians like Brian Adams on the airwaves.
  179. Robert MacDonald from Canada writes: Our current government is archaic to say the least.
  180. Jean Baillargeon from Toronto, Canada writes: A Chinaman from Canada writes: Don't play the blame game!
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    This isn't a game. It's about the future of the country and the well-being of its people.

    The question to ask is: does the government have an obligation to invest more in scientific research? When many scientists in the country criticize the government's policy on this, my choice is to listen to them. What's yours?

    It's high time we got rid of Harper and the neo-cons. Bring on the election. I'll vote for Ignatieff over the clowns we have now any day of the week.
  181. sean smith from Canada writes: Who needs science when we have Big Daddy Harpolini and his pal Jebus?
  182. Katherine R from Canada writes: Sask Resident from Regina, Canada writes: Meanwhile US colleges are dropping sports programs and the scholarships that go with them. Sounds OK but sports programs give many American students a chance for a college education. Jack Kemp (died over the weekend) went to college on a scholarship.

    US colleges are moving funding from sports to research to take advantage of Obama grants.
    .................................................................
    Um, how about giving university scholarships to students who show a high aptitude in creative thinking, problem solving, and other skills valuable at a university, rather than playing hockey or basketball? We should not pour money into sports programs in order to provide several spots for students who excel at sports. I would rather see that money directed into scholarships for brilliant students with no financial resources.

    MIT has just cut a bunch of sports programs and I agree with the decision 100%. There has been way too much emphasis on sports at American universities and it is about time this changed.
  183. Brad Larson from Canada writes: Canada has a CRTC socialized agenda, to keep talentless musicians like Brian Adams on the airwaves.

    And Canada has a socialized parliament, to keep talentless politicians around for decades.
  184. Hillbilly Bob from now living in the city!, Canada writes: Keep the seat warm Stephen. Ignatieff will be there to relieve you soon.
  185. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: 'The Last Fenian from Canada writes:
    Athletic scholarships are fundamentally unfair.'

    All sports funding is fundamentally stupid. You telling me you want to be PAID from my tax dollars for playing a children's game?
    Well, I want to be paid for masturbation, but I don't see any taxpayers willing to pony up.
  186. Katherine R from Canada writes: Richard Daystrom from Canada writes: If the US facility was in Anchorage then I bet we wouldn't be having this discussion.
    .......................................................................
    Actually we would. Scientists usually spend 12 hour days in the lab, 7 days per week. It's got to be one of the most poorly-paid jobs when broken down to an hourly wage!! Factor in an undergraduate degree, master's and Ph.D. (about 10 years) and the mandatory 3-ish years working as a postdoctoral fellow at basically minimum wage, then you have about a 5% chance of getting your own lab when you can actually make a normal wage but risk getting shut down when research grants dry up... Science is certainly no way to get rich! Most scientists would work on the moon if they were guaranteed funding that would keep their lab running!
  187. glop male from US, United States writes: Yesterday, you worried about female orgasm. Today, you worry about scientists going to other countries. Why don't the govenrment fund the scientists to do research on female orgasm. That way, you can kill two birds with one stone.
  188. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes:
    Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: B W from Canada writes: '... so does anyone REALLY know the numbers on Canada's science funding?...'

    Yes. It has gone up consistently since the 90s, but averaged out it never rose beyond inflation, so it has essentially been stagnant.

    What some people are missing however is the sudden increase in competition. It has suddenly becoming exceptional economically important to start generating new innovations in science and technology.

    We've slowly built an edge during the last decade that we may lose overnight because our government won't recognize the sudden competition from down south.

    Harper's slow reactions will screw us all. Somebody needs to wake him up.

    Hey Guillaume, you see Harper nearly everyday, why not mention it? LOL
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    Harpo doesn't talk to his fart catchers.........lol.........lol..........lol.
  189. john wardle from Canada writes:

    Harper's response: Shrug. I have GOD on my side...i don't need your turbo nerd science buddy.

    .
  190. Brad Larson from Canada writes: Let him go...we still have CAW, paid for with 3.77 BILLION dollars of taxpayer money!!! Talk about the wrong priories!!
  191. a jewish man from United States writes:
    the navel gazing by canadians in here is hilarious

    so someone decides to leave canada and work in the US... do you guys do the same thing whenever someone at work quits your job and leaves for something better?

    you canadians love to think that they are better than americans, but at the end of the day, you guys want to be just like us... this flap over the scientist is the latest proof of this

    lolol..
  192. George Nikitin from Hamilton, Canada writes: The Minister of Science is an evolutionphobe, whaddaya expect?
  193. e waterloo from Canada writes: Steven Koning from Bloomfield, ON, Canada writes: So this is the thanks Canada gets from this Lebanese immigrant for taking him in all these years and supporting him.

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    Are you saying a highly-intelligent person, who happens to be an immigrant to Canada, should not be going to a place that value his work more? Canada - Harper's government should be ashame by not trying to hold onto our top researchers. And yes, we should say thank you to Dr. Sekaly, we can say he's from CANADA.
  194. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: '... The University of Montreal's Rafick-Pierre Sékaly says he is leaving in part because of federal cuts in science funding and hopes his departure will be a wake-up call.

    'I hope it will trigger some kind of movement that will foster a deep soul searching and investment,' he said in an interview...'


    If we're going to talk about 'reading the article' why ignore the words of the scientist in question?

    Dance around it all you like, but Canada is in danger of losing its brightest minds to the sudden competition to the south.

    Something should be done.
  195. Brad Larson from Canada writes: Let him go...we still have CAW, paid for with 3.77 BILLION dollars of taxpayer money!!! Talk about the wrong PRIORITIES !!
  196. Pamela Achurch from Peterborough, Canada writes: Those moving to Florida might want to look closely at the school system before bringing their own children south.
  197. The Last Fenian from Canada writes: .
    Brad Larson from Canada writes:

    'Michael J. Fox, Jim Carrey, William Shatner .......
    Don't you know...

    Canada has a CRTC socialized agenda, to keep talentless musicians like Brian Adams on the airwaves. '
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Actually Brad, Bryan Adams enjoys airplay all over the world.

    The airwaves of the world are filled with the music of Canadian musicians whose careers benfited in the formative stages from Canadian content regulations, allowing them the chance to make the step to international success.

    And now their income from foreign sales helps our balance of trade and brings money into Canada.

    Bryan Adams may not be your cup of tea (mine either) but there is no disputing that Canadian content regulations have fostered a strong international level of success for Canadian musicians, far out of proportion to Canada's size, benefiting the entire country.

    As for 'anybody who is good at anything will move to the US because it is the best country in the world...', I notice that you are still in Canada.

    .
  198. Desmond Whitton from Canada writes: this is disgraceful.

    so is Harper the Evangelical still your top choice for PM, Globe and Mail?
  199. Just a pimento from inside the olive, Canada writes: Steve French, two words: Fertility clinic.
  200. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: glop male from US, United States writes: '...Yesterday, you worried about female orgasm. Today, you worry about scientists going to other countries. Why don't the govenrment fund the scientists to do research on female orgasm. That way, you can kill two birds with one stone...'

    Yikes.

    No wonder the US needs to buy out scientists from other countries!

    ROTFLMAO
  201. Thorny Rose from Toronto, Canada writes: its no surprise while goodyear and moore prattle the same cassette recording of 'funding is higher than ever before' when grilled about their government's damaging moves to their respective portfolios and the fields attached to them. Clearly there are no scientists or artists inside Harper's cabinet, but their committment to science and culture is unquestionable thanks to these record budgets. Of course, the catch is that the money forwarded is contigent upon you doing what they tell you to do with it and fulfilling conservative priorities, hardly a sensible approach when you consider the whole point is here is to foster creativity and innovation.
  202. lloyd macilquham from Nanaimo, Canada writes: One thing we can be grateful for – Harper and the Con’s don’t have a majority.

    Lloyd MacIlquham
  203. Brad Larson from Canada writes: The Last Fenian from Canada writes:

    Missed the point, SOCIALISM STINKS, no matter how much you try to justify it.
  204. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: Minister won't confirm belief in evolution
    ...Researchers aghast that key figure in funding controversy invokes religion in science discussion...'

    ~ ANNE MCILROY
    March 17, 2009 at 2:00 AM EDT

    http://tinyurl.com/cuz572
  205. Craig ! from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada writes: Harper and his bunch are not worried about this scirentist or any other. They don't see the need to waste money on research when all the answers we need to lifes problems are clearly spelled out in the bible.
  206. gilles monenemie from Montreal, Canada writes: I work in the field of renewable energy research. Harpers cuts have affected our staffing. Its a disgrace Harper is cutting important science fields while he finds money to subsidizes docks at the cottage.
  207. Naomi Y from Canada writes: A Chinaman from Canada writes: Don't play the blame game!
    His personal life style is more important than big money from the States. Come and Go is very common within the research circle. Don't make a fuss!
    --------------------------
    The problem is that there's a lot more going than coming.

    Researcher need funding for their research so they tend to follow the money. We are wasting billions on bailing out CAW at the same time Harper cutting research funding.
  208. okanagan pakman from Canada writes: Meanwhile government spending on advertising and polling continue to rise...more Alberta CRAP
  209. J Mossat from van, Canada writes: 'you canadians love to think that they are better than americans, but at the end of the day, you guys want to be just like us... this flap over the scientist is the latest proof of this'

    No, we just want a leader as smart as your president.

    (Ps I was recently in the US - loved it, too - and encountered a bit of superiority re. Canada from someone - I had fun pointing out the Blackberry they were holding was designed and made in Canada - we're not better than you but we have many good people here: we just don't want to lose them.)
  210. Ben lomond from Canada writes: OMG! Someone with a brain is actually leaving Canada and our social safety net to go to the big bad usa? OMG! This is all Harper's fault that big bad poo poo head! I bet he moves back the second Iggy get in!!!!
  211. p m from Canada writes: these albertan bible bangers don't believe in science anyways...so they won't care...
  212. Brent Beach from Victoria, Canada writes: So, scientists want the Harper government to invest more in 'curiosity-driven research'. First, they would have to know what curiosity was.

    Interesting that the Harper government can still invest in research, in this case the quantum communication project, when it is in the minister's own riding.

    Pork still works. These research guys all have to move to conservative ridings!
  213. Brad Larson from Canada writes: I think the 3.77 billion should have gone toward this guy and other research rather than a bunch of unskilled, overpaid CAW workers and a broke company.
  214. The Last Fenian from Canada writes: Brad Larson from Canada writes:

    The Last Fenian from Canada writes:

    Missed the point, SOCIALISM STINKS, no matter how much you try to justify it.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I didn't miss the point at all.
    I understood exactly what you said and refuted it.

    But your best comment remains, '..anybody who is good at anything will move to the US because it is the best country in the world...'.

    By your own words, if you were any good at anything, you'd be in the US.

    But even America has standards about who they let in.

    How's that green card coming?

    .

    You just didn't like being proven wrong.

    You said:
  215. Wily 905 from Toronto, Canada writes: If the US has better resources to facilitate this research, great, it ultimately will be better for the global search for a cure. This is more likely a politically braindead academic who is frothing at the mouth to capitalize on a self serving opportunity to prosper in the US. On his way out he takes a partisan swipe at our Government and insults the Country that gave him the opportunity to be where he is today. Good riddance. Be sure to take ample supply of pablum with you.
  216. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: lloyd macilquham from Nanaimo, Canada writes: '...One thing we can be grateful for – Harper and the Con&8217;s don&8217;t have a majority...'

    I'm starting to wonder whether awarding them a majority wouldn't have been better at demonstrating their incompetence clearly.

    We've already suffered three years under these people but they don't have to own all their actions the same way they would have with a majority.

    This government's been like slowly tearing off a highly adhesive three foot bandaid.
  217. Ben lomond from Canada writes: OMG, the blackberry you are holdigf comes from Canada! How freaking insecure do you have to be as a Canadian to play that F***ing card? We Canadians are the most sanctimonious, self righteous beatches in the western world. If we were any more open minded our brains would fall out the side of our heads.
  218. Anarandan Ananda from Vancouver, Canada writes: Socialism stinks, comunism stinks, capitalism stinks. Let's try regionalism with the primary emphases on clean air, water, soil and a business charter of responsibilities, where it includes:

    The right of loosing its charter of business license if the community vote it for to de-license it. 30% of the voters needed to send the business packing.

    The money paid for the license will fund universities R&D.
    Let's get rid of the business dictatorship (banksters). Let bring back full funding for research in all areas that brings the environment and people to the fore front.
    Can't wait for the federal election to send harper and cons packing. What a bunch of obdurate bunch?
  219. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes:
    The dumbing down continues.

    This is what Harpo wants. He can't get away with having book bonfires, so he chokes off funding for science. Nip knowledge in the bud and you won't have to deal with the truth.

    At least this government and its devotees are consistent. They never fail to live down to expectations.
  220. Boreal Moose from Canada writes: Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    I suppose all the folks in favour of the Chrysler and GM bailouts can bear responsibility for the cuts in some research funding.
    Thank a CAW worker.

    ____________________________

    Yeah - those CAW fatcats! Taking a 30% pay cut and giving away their benefits like that....and forcing those CEOs to NOT declare bankruptcy...and having Stephen Harper so much in their pocket that he just coughed up the cash like a dutiful dog with no choice.....

    You are a complete bozo Mr. Wojnar!
  221. Frank Green from Vancouver, Canada writes: I don't understand the issue. If you are going to cut funding to a department then obviously there is not going to be enough money to keep all the people you had before. What did you people think.....they cut $160 million dollars and there wasn't going to be any changes or consequences? Is Aids research something that is important ot Canadians? Was the $160 million dollars better spent on other issues or problems in Canada?
  222. Lyn Alg from Canada writes: I urge Dr. Sekaly to wait . Stephanie will be turfed from Office very shortly. He will be all but a 'bad dream' footnote in Canadian history - Harper who ??
  223. Brad Larson from Canada writes: The Last Fenian from Canada writes, But even America has standards about who they let in.

    How's that green card coming?

    Just make a run for the border - Mexican style! They are all about to get amnesty pardons anyways, just got to time it right.
  224. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: @ Philosopher King: Giving the CPC a majority would have been a horrific mistake. You think things are bad now? Consider what they would have been like when Harper and crew didn't have to on what they consider good behaviour.
  225. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: '...Canada's science minister, the man at the centre of the controversy over federal funding cuts to researchers, won't say if he believes in evolution... 'I'm not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate,' Gary Goodyear, the federal Minister of State for Science and Technology, said in an interview with The Globe and Mail...'

    '...It is the same as asking the gentleman, 'Do you believe the world is flat?' and he doesn't answer on religious grounds,' said Dr. Alters. 'Or gravity, or plate tectonics, or that the Earth goes around the sun...'

    INDEED
  226. DON'T MIND THE BOLLOCKS from Canada writes: Thanks Steve..
    We have an 14 year old and 11 year old.
    We can now say 'okay kids work hard at school,college,university and well taking a job in the US please make sure it is in warm weather state.'
    'Son if you are going to leave, make sure it is Cali because your mother and I want to hang out at the Whiskey with Tommy and Vince.'
    What a joke!!..With Aids,cancer,Diabetes,Sars and N1H1 it is the perfect time to cut the budget to science..Applause applause!!!

    Enjoy your pink flamingos!!..
  227. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: I suppose conservatives are simply trying to let natural selection (AIDS) follow its natural course.
  228. Jim Vickers from Winnipeg, Canada writes: This is a good example of how to destroy a country from within. This ensures that we will remain the developed world's hewers of wood and drawers of water.
    We've seen this before both under the Tories(read Diefenbaker and various provincial premiers), and Liberals (Chretien and Martin).
    When are we going to learn that research is the key to any countries long term economic, industrial, and intellectual health, and is the last thing that should be cut. Leading edge research attracts private investment. Such research generates jobs in all sectors of the society.
    Even labour unions in industry recognise that their future jobs depend on how good their research and design departments are,and support maintaining or increasing spending in those areas even when there are plant closings and layoffs.
    There is only one word to describe this approach. that is CHEAP
  229. gary wilson from writes: So we lose our eggheads. What does a society's most intelligent ever do for that society? The good news is the evangelical Christian & Missionary Alliance Church down the road from me got a remodeled interior, a marble pulpit and a new parking lot.

    Worst PM ever.
  230. Brad Larson from Canada writes: I bet the Men in Black will be there to make sure all documents and lab equipment is destroyed....just like what happened to the The Avro Arrow... :(
  231. a jewish man from United States writes:
    lol..

    do you guys experience the same anguish when someone at work quits his job because he's unhappy? people change jobs all the time... it's a fact of life

    the navel gazing in here is hilarious

    lol @ canadians
  232. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: '... @ Philosopher King: Giving the CPC a majority would have been a horrific mistake. You think things are bad now? Consider what they would have been like when Harper and crew didn't have to on what they consider good behaviour...'

    That's what I would count on.

    Harper is the worst Conservative leader we've ever had. Mulroney was a saint and Diefenbaker a genius compared to this guy. Hell, even Bennett had more self respect.

    That said, Harper's been hiding behind Liberal skirts with his minority and I have to wonder whether letting the CPC implode in the limelight wasn't a better idea.

    Guess we'll never know. LOL
  233. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay ON, Canada writes: I can't speak for the rest of the country but certainly in our community we have received MILLIONS in Fed funding for our Molecular Research Lab and R&D at Lakehead University. As for the Aid research there's a very good solution to the problem, is there not? It's called a change of lifestyle and perhaps sexual preferences and failing that, the use of condoms. There I've just saved the Canadian taxpayer MILLION'S of dollars of funding for a PREVENTABLE DISEASE. The fact of the matter is our government is funding Medical Research big time. in the Hundreds of millions of dollars.
  234. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes:
    Brad Larson from Canada writes: The Last Fenian from Canada writes:

    Missed the point, SOCIALISM STINKS, no matter how much you try to justify it.
    =========
    Really Brad. Harpo bailed the banks out for roughly $250 billion last fall, and they LOVE socialism---socialism for the rich that is. And if you think socialism stinks, then kindly burn your health care coverage card and your high school diploma (if you have one). You can then start paying your own freight, and repay all those 'stinky' socialized costs.
  235. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: a jewish man from United States writes: '... do you guys experience the same anguish when someone at work quits his job because he's unhappy? people change jobs all the time... it's a fact of life... the navel gazing in here is hilarious... lol @ canadians...'

    Yeah, who cares if you leading researchers are so distressed that they actually seek to warn the Canadian public through the media that their decision to leave is a result of government policy.

    For a jewish man your not too quick on the uptake are you?
  236. Jim Vickers from Winnipeg, Canada writes: I forgot to add that the sooner we get rid of this government the better. That does not ensure that Michael I. will be much better, but at least we could give him a try. Maybe we can hope for a Liberal minority with the NDP and/or the Bloc backing them up. Those who cannot stomach the Bloc being part of a government need to realize that at least it would be better than having the conservatives as part of a government.
    Nobody is as shortsighted as the Conservatives. Even the Liberals cannot supply strong enough corrective lenses so that they can see straight.
  237. A Peon in the golden boy's court from Canada writes: Iím an accountant & economist who is in the process of completing 2 additional certifications. There are a lot of accounting jobs in Canada, but there are still a lot more in the US; particularly in states that have a large industry & corporate base (e.g. Texas). Iíve been looking at the US scene for a year or so now & am willing to move anywhere in Canada first, but also to the US second if nothing adequate is available here. The healthcare issue is basically a red herring; plenty of US employers offer health insurance that is completely comparable to what we receive in Canada as part of the employment package. Iím not whining Ė just pointing out that for people with skills & who are mobile, the US can be a very enticing destination. The market is 10 times bigger, thereís a shortage of skilled labour & professionals there (and a surplus of unskilled labour), the cost of living in most places isnít much higher and taxes are lower. What are the various levels of government in Canada doing about it? Thereís not a lot they can do. The federal government certainly has some ability to make things more favourable; they could start by cutting out business & agricultural subsidies & cutting taxes a little more instead Ė the feds spent a significant fortune on business & agricultural subsidies. Lower taxes would make businesses more competitive & help people keep more money in their pockets. Putting more money into research will certainly keep & attract more scientific professionals as well because losing the best & brightest is a good strategy for ending up like some kind of banana republic.
  238. Linda Dial from Canada writes: Canadian Centre for Innovation.....funds that will be used to purchase equipment from the USA. Because it is not our job to invent or manufacture that kind of equipment. Wouldn't want to get too big for our britches now and do another Avro would we. Very interesting that someone thinks the auto bailouts were known in advance last year. When Dec.08? Nov. 08? Oct 08? Sept. 08? Aug. 08? Say about the middle of August? Writ dropped 2 weeks or so later for a scofflaw election? Spin and guile, lots of science in that eh.
  239. Randy McClure from Canada writes: Matt Stiles from Canada writes: Considering how bad government screws up everything it touches, are we sure we even want them doing research? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ignorance is bliss, isn't it. Government screws up less than the private sector. Just look at the financial system. 90 percent of new business start-ups don't last 5 years. Not a very good track record. Plus, the government isn't doing the research. They (used to) fund it. The current group of dolts in charge have put money into bricks and mortar only to cut runds for the people who do the work. How does the saying go? Under the tories Canada has the finest research facilities in the world -- unfortunately, no scientists or equipment inside them. Oh well ... I guess Firesale Flaherty can just sell off the real-estate to balance the $81.5 billion deficit that wasn't supposed to exist. Turn the labs into condos, or something. Maybe provide grants for new kitchen countertops or a big screen TV.
  240. A Chinaman from Canada writes: Jean Baillargeon from Toronto, Canada writes: A Chinaman from Canada writes: Don't play the blame game!
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    This isn't a game. It's about the future of the country and the well-being of its people.

    ----
    Sure, it is a game played by the researcher! It makes him look really good, really good - 'I am not going for big money and good weather. It is the government's police drives me out. I am innocent!'
    Saying that does mean the government is right to cut research funding.
  241. Arvid Hambler from Canada writes: It's not just that the Tories are short-sighted. Harper's long-term view of Canada is as a subordinate to Washington. In a way we already are, but Harper wants full-spectrum submission.
  242. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes:
    ajm @ 10:53AM:

    Nice post. What are you Donald Trump in disguise ?

    Myopic, arrogant, and simplistic is no way to go through life.

    Kindly check your hubris at the door.
  243. Investment Industry Insider from Toronto, Canada writes: Harperites rejoice, the stupity of your leader will be your downfall. Some of this pink flamingo style news and Iggy will have a Liberal agenda big enough to decimate the harper platform.... Harper's days of fermongering, abandonement of canucks and dumb arrogance will come to an end in the next election.
  244. a jewish man from United States writes: Yeah, who cares if you leading researchers are so distressed that they actually seek to warn the Canadian public through the media that their decision to leave is a result of government policy.

    For a jewish man your not too quick on the uptake are you?


    canadians want their health care. yet you whine over govt deficits. you whine about higher taxes. something has to give - what's it going to be? health care or research spending?

    yeah, that's what i thought

    i've never met a group of people as petulant - and whiny - as canadians

    unbelievable
  245. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: George Lawrence from Thunder Bay ON, Canada writes: '... It's called a change of lifestyle and perhaps sexual preferences and failing that, the use of condoms...'

    The largest infected group with AIDS is heterosexual women. So what is it about their 'lifestyle' or 'sexual preferences' they should change precisely George?

    What about the tens of thousands of innocent children born throughout the world with this disease as a result of their mothers having it?

    How about the tens of millions in foreign countries misled by their churches into not using protection?

    Sticking our heads in the dirt is not an answer George.
  246. bill d from Canada writes: I think the humour can't be missed that it is AIDS researchers that are leaving Canada on Harper's watch.
  247. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes: Malone Sumself from Canada writes:
    'Me thinks your paranoia and hatred for all those that do not think as you do has clouded your sense of reality. Perhaps you would like to pass on some information that supports your statement. The only hatred I have seen on this regard seems to be spewing from your keyboard. G and M moderators don't mind printing drivel like yours but seem reluctant to print comments that do not support today's propoganda story.'

    Suck on this lemon, Malone:

    Stephen Harper's Absence Miffs AIDS Conference Attendees
    Monday August 14, 2006
    CityNews.ca Staff
    Toronto is in the global spotlight this week as celebrities, royalty, and former world leaders attend the International AIDS Conference here.
    But as the week of events got underway Sunday with a benefit concert at Rogers Centre, it was one man's absence that became the focus. Prime Minister Stephen Harper's decision not to attend the conference has ruffled many feathers.
    One of the world's top minds when it comes to the AIDS crisis, UN Special Envoy for AIDS/HIV in Africa Stephen Lewis, said the PM made a 'dreadful decision' and an 'inexcusable' mistake in political judgment by opting out of the event.
    Conference co-chair Mark Wainberg echoed that sentiment at the benefit concert.
    'Your absence sends a message that you do not regard HIV/AIDS as a critical priority, and clearly all of us here tonight disagree with you,' he said.
    'The role of prime minister includes the responsibility to show leadership on the world stage.'
  248. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Scientists and other intellectuals don't vote CONservative......

    Harper relies on the brain-dead (ie Alberta) for his hard-core base.

    Dump Harper.........Dump the brainless.
  249. Randy McClure from Canada writes: Matt Stiles from Canada writes:You want more R&D funding in Canada? Eliminate taxes. Completely. Sally, bar the door. You won't be able to stop the influx of scientists from around the world. ------------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, that'll work. Scientists will flock to a country with no public education, healthcare for only a few, no garbage collection except in wealthy neighbourhoods, poth=-holed streets, roving gangs of bandits ... Yeah, scientist will flock to Canada just like they flock to Zimbabwe and Sudan.
  250. Ben lomond from Canada writes: The reality is that the United States is very alluring for people with brains. You will notice how many physcians bolt despite our socialized paradise of a health care system. You'll be holding your breath a long time before the Globe urges Canada to move to a more profit based health care system to retain our best and brightest! These sorts of things will happen regardless of whomever runs our country, in the end it's really just a newspaper trying to foment some selective outrage. These forums are littered with wingnuts primarily from the left bit also from the right.
  251. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes:

    'Scientists and other intellectuals don't vote CONservative......

    Harper relies on the brain-dead (ie Alberta) for his hard-core base.'

    LOL...yet Calgary, the most educated city in Canada per capita, overwhelmly votes Conservative.

    Sucks when facts contradict your pathetic drivel hey Sty.
  252. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: '...canadians want their health care. yet you whine over govt deficits. you whine about higher taxes. something has to give - what's it going to be? health care or research spending?...'

    Canadian healthcare is half as expensive as US healthcare because its centrally organized.

    Until last December Canada had the longest running surplus in the G8, so of course we don't like defecits.

    The median Canadian makes more money that the median American, so certainly we find our considerably higher tax rates questionable.

    Sounds like a little Canada-envy going on here.
  253. If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: Gee we are getting a great deal, the US gets to pay for 7,000 dollar hammer and we get the marketed version for our space program at 59 bucks.

    let them go, we'll get the aftermarket version thanks.

    Oh BTW, do you really think funding will continue in the US for this waste of taxpayers money??

    They can't even pay their bills in california, Arnie is issuing IOU's to paid at a later date when they have the money.
  254. Anyone but Ignatieff; Rae and LeBlanc. or Duceppe for the new Liberal Leader. from Canada writes: Who is to say these scientists would not have left under any Canadian Government. Canada does not have the resources to pay scientits at the same rates of pay they can get in the USA. Your either a Canadian or your not. Ignatieff also left Canada to wotk in the USA. Now he wants to be PM? Go figure.
  255. Ontario Man from Canada writes: 1. The research funding disparity between Canada and US is not new! For decades successful researched have been lured away by more funding and better facilities south of the border. Somehow this was never a political issue, even during boom times.

    2. As long as the research continues we shouldn't be too worried. Americans will pay for it, and once successful research is published in academic journals Canadians will benefit from it.
  256. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Scientist criticizes Harper CONservative funding cuts and may take as many as 25 members of his scientific research team with him

    ---------------------

    -------Warning signs of Harpers march towards a fascist state...

    Disdain for Intellectuals- Fascist parties such as the Harper CONservatives tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, scientists and academia. It is not uncommon for professors, scientists and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and sciences is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts or sciences.
  257. If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: we need to go back to making things, not having a bunch of expensive lab rats sitting around on the dole.

    Mining, forestry, and value add manufacturing will save our economy not 30 people draining 5 billion of the bottom line.
  258. Tim Bryson from Canada writes: Good job, conborgs.
  259. Randy McClure from Canada writes: Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Harper relies on the brain-dead (ie Alberta) for his hard-core base.'LOL...yet Calgary, the most educated city in Canada per capita, overwhelmly votes Conservative.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Degrees in Geology hardly count (Rocks, for Jocks was what us cell biologists, called it) the rest have degrees in finance -- and you know where THAT sort of so-called 'knowledge' got the world economy, don't we? Now that Alberta is shedding jobs faster than any other region in Canada, Albertans will wake up and realize what a false bill of goods they've been sold all these years. They will get politically engaged and say ... 'Hey, you mean THAT's what those lousy conservatives have been getting us into. I really wish we would have been paying attention, instead of making another trip down to the mall to spend our Ralph Bucks.'
  260. a jewish man from United States writes: Canadian healthcare is half as expensive as US healthcare because its centrally organized.

    Until last December Canada had the longest running surplus in the G8, so of course we don't like defecits.

    The median Canadian makes more money that the median American, so certainly we find our considerably higher tax rates questionable.

    Sounds like a little Canada-envy going on here


    the strength of any health care system is greater than any one man or team...

    if the US can change presidents once every four or eight years, then the vaunted canadian health care system can easily withstand the turnover caused by the defection of one team

    then again, with all the WHINING and CRYING being done by canadians in here, you would think it was the end of the world

    what a bunch of whiny people you people are
  261. Brad Larson from Canada writes:

    Where the Canadian Priorities are:

    Giving $3.77 Billion to Fund:

    Chrysler, a company broke for 35 years, stuck in the 1960's
    CAW autoworker - unskilled 'bolt on car doors' overpaid workers stuck in the entitled to entitlement mentality.

    And nothing to the...

    The Future:R&D: new concepts, new developments, discoveries which lead to new companies and new manufacturing = a healthier economy.
  262. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: Ben lomond from Canada writes: '... You'll be holding your breath a long time before the Globe urges Canada to move to a more profit based health care system to retain our best and brightest!...'

    I should hope so. US healthcare is twice as expensive but their health outcomes are far worse.

    The death rate for newborns is many times higher in the US versus Canada, so what the hell are you crowing about?

    In the US you have to hope to be among the priviledged to receive better care than in Canada.
  263. Randy McClure from Canada writes: Ontario Man from Canada writes: 2. As long as the research continues we shouldn't be too worried. Americans will pay for it, and once successful research is published in academic journals Canadians will benefit from it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Except after the Harper cons finish with us, we won't be able to afford to buy any of it.
  264. R. M. from Regina, Canada writes: Lured away eh? So it is not about science at the end of the day is it. It is about ego and the chasing of dollars just like the big bank CEO's! A plague on all their houses!
  265. The Last Fenian from Canada writes: .

    George Lawrence from Thunder Bay ON, Canada writes:

    'As for the Aid research there's a very good solution to the problem, is there not? It's called a change of lifestyle and perhaps sexual preferences and failing that, the use of condoms. There I've just saved the Canadian taxpayer MILLION'S of dollars of funding for a PREVENTABLE DISEASE.'

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Wow.

    Mind-boggling.

    The really frightening thing about your thiniing is that it is a common point of view in the Reform/Conservative ranks.

    Sentencing people to die for 'lifestyle' choices.

    When they haul you off to the hospital with a heart attack George, don't be surprised if the gay heart surgeon says, 'Whoa!, no surgery for this boy. He made a 'lifestyle' decision to eat too much cholestoral, so we'll just let the old beggar croak. After all, it's a PREVENTABLE DISEASE!'

    You, George, are the reason so many Canadians view Conservatives as intolerant.

    .
  266. Right Winger from Canada writes: One thing I noticed reading these blogs for the past year, is the fact that libtards seem to think Canada has a never ending supply of money.
    The libtards want funding for everything under the sun, but cry like babies when Harper has to run a deficit. Sorry children, but when you grow up you'll realize that there's only so much money to go around. You should have thought about that instead of whining when Harper suggested cutting some useless arts programs. Or maybe a form of 2 tier health care to free up some $$ for science. But you can't have it all, regardless of what Iggy & Jack tell you.
  267. If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: So tell me scientific wonders, what have you given Canada other than a 5 billion dollar headache.

    To get funding you need to produce something. Each of you scientists tell us what wealth you created and we'll compare it to the real economy and see which is a better bang for our buck.

    (You know - taxpayers money you suck dry every time you have good idea.)

    There's more to spending billions on space capable hammers. What I think they sold 6 during the lifespan of it.

    Kinda reminds of dire straits song 'money for nothing and your kicks for free'
  268. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes: Brad Larson from Canada writes:

    Where the Canadian Priorities are:

    Giving $3.77 Billion to Fund:

    Chrysler, a company broke for 35 years, stuck in the 1960's
    CAW autoworker - unskilled 'bolt on car doors' overpaid workers stuck in the entitled to entitlement mentality.

    And nothing to the...

    The Future:R&D: new concepts, new developments, discoveries which lead to new companies and new manufacturing = a healthier economy.
    ======
    HA HA HA HA!! That's nothing pal!! HA HA HA HA!
    Harpo's priority: socialism for the rich:

    Ottawa adds $50b to bank bailout, in talks with automakers
    Offers $50b more to banks to ease credit crunch
    November 12, 2008
    The Canadian Press
    The federal government will buy another $50 billion in residential mortgages to ease the credit crunch facing Canadian banks, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said today.
  269. Mr X from Canada writes: All that science funding is deficit financed. Which means one day soon it will have to be paid back with interest.
  270. R. M. from Regina, Canada writes: Andrew Toms from Toronto, Canada writes: I'm with the Professor. I'm leaving my Canadian university post for a post at a Tier I American university. The opportunities, salaries, and research support are vastly better there.

    You do that Andrew. Will you also be renouncing your Canadian citizenship or will you double dip?
  271. Rain Couver from Canada writes: Even further proof that Canada is becoming increasingly irrelevant in the global community by decreasing funding for cutting edge R&D.

    In case everyone has been in la la land, Harper and his merry band of theocrats have been closing funding under one committee/program and starting new ones with significantly less money to disburse so they can say they are increasing funding, but in reality they are reducing it. They did it for the arts, they did it for medical research, now it is scientific research in general. In essence, they taking money from Peter to pay Paul who is willing to compromise his research for whatever scraps the government is willing to pay.

    I would prefer my tax dollars going to R&D rather than Chrysler. Absolutely pathetic.
  272. Edwin Lee from Toronto, Canada writes: Lynn Pelletier from Canada writes:'Can either of you tell me how much R&D funding was cut? and how much this guys funding was cut?'

    He moved to Florida to get more than double of existing 3.5 million in funding.

    $4 billion to save 9,000 auto jobs - average high school graduates, to make junk cars.

    $7 billion to keep 26 top scientists - average doctor degree, to cure AIds for the world.

    This is called unfailr government funding.
  273. P deGroot from Calgary, Canada writes: Right Winger from Canada - Totally. Don't ya just hate libtards? And conservatards? And NDTards? Oh hey that clever little trick of yours where you put 'tard' after the name of the party you don't vote for is sooooo clever. It makes me want to vote the same way you do.
  274. r b from Calgary, Canada writes: The Big Lie regarding AIDS research is that research is 'starved' due to social conservative hangups surrounding AIDS - i.e because it is seen as an African and gay community problem.

    Poppycock.

    Within a decade of the outbreak of AIDS, it has gone from being a certain death sentence to a manageable chronic condition.

    Can the same be said for cancer?

    The simple fact is that the medical scientific community was massively mobilized to research this disease and that research has made monumental advances in a relatively short time.

    But the AIDS research community has learned how to play the 'evil neo-con' card very well in order to keep their funding pot boiling.

    This latest scream is just more of the same.

    Tim to cue Stephen Lewis and his evil-western-world-flagellation-circus.
  275. Mrs. T from Canada writes: This scientist states that most of his funding already comes from the US. So, I find it very unlikely that he is leaving due, in part, to the reduced funding from the Canadian government. Makes for good print, though.
  276. P deGroot from Calgary, Canada writes: R. M. from Regina - Hmmm or maybe scientific research requires funding and so if this scientist who is trying to find a cure for AIDS actually wants to continue with his life's work he needs to go somewhere that the government actually sees value in funding said work. But no, you're probably right. It's probably just another greedy, glory-seeking scientist.
  277. Scrappy T from Canada writes: 'I would never be where I am today without Canadian support'.
    Glad you appreciated it until more money beckoned.

    How can any country compete with the U.S. when it comes to money.

    I hope as a Lebanese you do not go back to Lebanon and need to be rescued.
  278. If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: Rain Couver from Canada writes: Even further proof that Canada is becoming increasingly irrelevant in the global community by decreasing funding for cutting edge R&D.

    In case everyone has been in la la land, Harper and his merry band of theocrats have been closing funding under one committee/program and starting new ones with significantly less money to disburse so they can say they are increasing funding, but in reality they are reducing it. They did it for the arts, they did it for medical research, now it is scientific research in general. In essence, they taking money from Peter to pay Paul who is willing to compromise his research for whatever scraps the government is willing to pay.

    I would prefer my tax dollars going to R&D rather than Chrysler. Absolutely pathetic.

    ______________________________________________________

    That's brilliant - hire a scientist or save a community.

    Yup - you must work at UBC as researcher on our dime. Go hug a tree or beaver or whatever it is you guys do out there ont eh left coast.

    Oh sorry - maybe you hug campbell for crushing your economy with debt and largesse
  279. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: yet Calgary, the most educated city in Canada
    ------------------------

    still using that bad brown acid from the 60's .....eh rick ????? or are you like your boss.........Aliar ????
  280. P deGroot from Calgary, Canada writes: r b from Calgary - Whoa easy there big fella. Your mouth foam is showing. For your sake better hope rabies researchers are still getting plenty of funding.
  281. Anne Johnston from Edmonton, Canada writes: Does he think that he is going to utopia?? Guess again, with Obama and the Democrats going full steam ahead, I would wait and see what happens.
  282. john wardle from Canada writes:
    Jew from america said:...

    'canadians want their health care. yet you whine over govt deficits. you whine about higher taxes. something has to give - what's it going to be? health care or research spending?

    yeah, that's what i thought

    i've never met a group of people as petulant - and whiny - as canadians

    unbelievable '

    Then why do you insist on reading and posting on this forum?? Like someone said, you're not too quick on the upswing are ya?
    Maybe you should get back to bilking billions out of hard working americans.
  283. B.C. Expat from Ottawa-Hull, FCR, Canada writes: Right, a phenomenon that long predates Harper is all Harper's fault. Moreover, note that the richest U.S. unviersities are privately funded, so holding up flight to the U.S. as reason to blame the feds seems kind of shallow; it sort of misses the point about where the money is.
  284. glop male from US, United States writes: What the fuzz? This is not the first time. Remember the Arrow scientists? When the Star Wars shield is built, Canada is covered.
  285. The Last Fenian from Canada writes: .
    Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes:

    'Calgary, the most educated city in Canada per capita, overwhelmly votes Conservative.'
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Not sure where you got that claim about Calgary Rick but apparently Alberta, which 'overwhelmingly votes Conservative' is far down the rankings of the educated:

    'One-quarter of Ontario’s population aged 25 to 64 had a university degree in 2001, the highest share among the provinces.
    Ontario was followed by British Columbia (24%), the Yukon (23%), Quebec (22%), Alberta (21%) and Manitoba and Nova Scotia (20%).'

    http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/Products/Analytic/companion/educ/provs.cfm

    .
  286. Robert Vincent from Winnipeg, Canada writes: The new CP of C mantra: Stevie is a strategic thinker... not!
  287. Joe V from Canada writes: Harper spends more money on GM/Chrysler in _one week_ than is spent on NSERC/NRC in an entire year. All to save the jobs of 9000 unskilled laborers. We are becoming a nation of overpaid ditch-diggers.
  288. Angry West Coast Canuck from Canada writes: 'business innovation' has nothing to do with 'research'. Research, which Harper has drastically cut, tends to drive business 5 to 20 years down the line. It's the base, the foundation of everything we claim is part of our 'technology' civilization. So-called 'business innovation' is only looking a year or two ahead, isn't research, but is more involved with how to commercialize research that has already been done. Without research, 'business innovation' withers and dies, because it doesn't have anything to innovate WITH.

    Frankly, with this move Harper continues to prove that he is just another right wing religious nutjob who thinks that you don't need research because the Bible tells you everything you need to know. It's the same kind of anti-knowledge agenda that's being waged in Alberta, Afghanistan, and other retrograde regimes who are effectively controlled by fundamentalist religious forces.
  289. Curt Hanselmann from Claresholm, AB, Canada writes: Sayonara!! I'm happy to see another country's taxpayers pay for the reams of useless research most [not all!] of these scientists self-profess as so important. Hey, better yet, get a real job, in the real world, and learn about accountability.

    There's a very well written article in last weeks ROB by GWYN MORGAN, Not all research deserves public funding April 27, 2009.
  290. Peter vliegende hollander from Calgary Foothills, Canada writes: The vote from a Chrysler plant worker seems to be more important than the long term future. That reflects a narrow minded attitude typical of limited intellect. That sort of Luddite behaviour is NOT particular to any political environment/ party. Bush, Stalin and Hitler were very suspicious of their scientists. Just like corporations, they look at results in under 30 months. Anything beyond that is over their head...Book burning anyone?
    The brain drain is not only to the US, look for a lot of our country persons in Europe etc. The Arrow and the subsequent staffing of NASA by Canadians, and Canada taking on a mediocre US aircraft. As soon as money becomes the key player, 'ownership' of the intellect changes. Which poses the question: Is intellect 'owned' as a copyright? Can you imagine if someone claimed copyright on Newtonian physics? It is free for all of us to share. Unfortunately, all this knowledge is shared by rather few.
    And today, our PM is not one of them. We should feel sorry for him!
  291. J. R. from halifax, Canada writes: Given the numbers of responses on this board, I'm guessing that the offical Conservative Talking Points on this focus on the 'brain drain' being old news, and actually being the Liberals fault. Chretien, or maybe Trudeau is responsible for this. I'm going to give the War Room the benefit of the doubt and suggest that those who are personally attacking Mr. Sékaly, and in particular those who are attacking him as an ungrateful immigrant, are freelancing bigots.
  292. joeman 67 from Kamloops, Canada writes: Fundamental research at universities and institutes are what will help Canada have a diverse economy. Unless Canada plans to log, fish (not a lot of those around), farm, and dig oil from the ground and make that the plan for the future, investing now in research is key. Universities are underfunded as is, and adding say $500million in committed annual research $s ongoing will hardly even be a blip on the federal budget, but the long-term (a hard thought in the world of politics) payoff is enormous. And these $ should not be funneled primarily to a handful of places like UBC and U of T, but to universities across the board where proposed projects have merit.
  293. Crusty Curmudgeon from Ottawa, Canada writes:
    His field is AIDS research presumably.

    Can I ask why it matters who pays for the research -- just as long as a cure is found?

    Perhaps there are too many fragile egos out there to see this.
  294. Ontario Man from Canada writes: Stephen Harper did not create the brain drain, and during a recession he is hardly able to stop it. Our government's priority is employment for a broad spectrum of the population. Since these researchers are moving to jobs south of the border this seems like a good strategy. New graduates will thus be able to find positions in our academic institutions.

    Research funding has always been richer south of the border. This is not a new phenomenon. Actually, researchers are drawn to American facilities from all over the world. This will not change any time soon.

    None of you seemed to mind when researcher were leaving Canada under the previous government. The outrage here seems disingenuous and politically motivated.
  295. Life Insurance Bribe from Canada writes: Relax, it's just part of Stephen Putin's plan to divert the workforce from the science labs to the AB oil rigs.
  296. Marc L from Ottawa, Canada writes: Call an election. Enough is enough. Harper called one early before but certainly would not again seeing as this time he would likely lose...
  297. Ontario Man from Canada writes: J. R. from halifax are you suggesting that the 'brain drain' is a new phenomenon created by our current government?
  298. R Sim from Seattle, United States writes: I'm in exactly the same position as Shaun Towens. PhD Computer Science from a good Canadian school. We had some opportunities in Canada and tried to make a go of it for a while in B.C. but as the economy fell apart it only made sense to go to where there was not only real opportunity but also more options if you lose your job.

    If I were a Canadian professor today, advising aspiring undergraduate researchers, I'd have no hesitation telling them all to do their grad studies in the U.S. An American PhD is one thing that holds doors open everywhere.
  299. Polar Bear from Edmonton, Canada writes: Let him go ... save GM and CAW caw caw. Just because it is brain drain does not mean you stop trying to retain your good scientists. There is always an excuse for not doing something - is this the 'new' Canadian way? We did not get where we are with this attitude. It is important to raise your voice against issues that need attention and policy correction.

    Show some passion for real issues. It won't matter whether GM stays of goes - you will still have your trucks (Toyota makes them too!). But we need those who can better our health care system.
  300. G. Veneta from Canada writes: More enlightenment by the regressive reformacons. When will this nightmare for Canada end.

    Make no mistake Harper and his incompetent team are out to destroy Canada for decades. That is how long it will take to recover from his backwards policies. People that don't believe in science should NEVER be allowed to govern this country. Time to put religion where it belongs --in people's personal lives and out of politics for GOOD!

    I'm sick of these creationists destroying the intellectual capacity of Canada which is about building our future in these high tech industries. One wonders that you have to be daft to support such bunk.
  301. Joseph Bloggins from Canada writes: There are a great many scientists in the world and as with any other job, they move on for many reasons. This guy is a prima donna and is playing political games....as is the Globe and Mail......the official voice of the Ignatieff Liberals.
  302. Fake Name from Canada writes: Hardly likely to trigger any soul-searching on the government's part. If it triggers anything, it will be 'Good riddance; one egghead down, several thousand to go'.

    They're probably happy to see less AIDS research done, so that one of their un-favoured demographics can continue killing themselves without intervention.
  303. bill williams from Guelph from Canada writes: -

    The brain drain is a phenomenon that has a dynamic; what's new?

    EVERYTHING that the current Canadian government is doing is exacerbating all of the factors that might motivate bright minds to relocate. Canada must work harder than all other OECD countries to retain a vibrant intellectual resource.

    And by the way ... science is only part of this; we are losing our ability to see ourselves as a country that can make a contribution in the world. If we can't see it, we can't DO it.

    Undirected, basic research, applied research, post-secondary education, and education in general should be our TOP priority. Without our intellectual capital we can not be part of development in the 21st century. Without that participation, everything that we might otherwise THINK is a priority - like health care - is impossible. We can not have a single thing that we want if we don't build our capacity to generate wealth.

    We would be better to cut our health care budget by 20% and let old farts die (I am an old fart) and plow that money into ensuring that Canada leads in important parts of the human development project.

    -
  304. DON'T MIND THE BOLLOCKS from Canada writes: The best part of American is being able to pull up to a pawn shop,get some cash for grandma's wedding ring.Go next door for a 5th of Jim Bean,pop into the gun shop for some ammo. GBA!!!
    We might whine and complain BUT it is always about serious issues like the brain drain, why our troops have to do the heavy lifting in Afghanistan and not which shoes Madame Obama is wear to the homeless shelter.
  305. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Scientist criticizes Harper CONservative funding cuts and may take as many as 25 members of his scientific research team with him

    ---------------------

    -------Warning signs of Harpers march towards a fascist state...

    Disdain for Intellectuals- Fascist parties such as the Harper CONservatives tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, scientists and academia. It is not uncommon for professors, scientists and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and sciences is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts or sciences.
  306. If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: What's the difference between a research scientist and a banker.

    The banker at least admits he is stealing your money.
  307. Ken Bleyer from Port Burwell, Canada writes: 34% of voters put this guy in office. He came within a whisker of losing it after the Flaherty fiasco after the most recent election that he foisted on the country. He is mired in so many scandals that I've lost count. He is a luddite of notorious proportions and his agenda for social and scientific progress is as retrograde as Bush's was. It should come as no surprise that this particular program can't get funded when the World AIDS Conference was held in Toronto just a few years ago and Harper went to the Artic instead of welcoming the delegates and supporting the agenda. Irresponsible, out of touch, backwards thinking, and incomparably weak, this is how our Mr. Harper sizes up against the likes of Obama. What a disgrace!
  308. NUCK ABROAD from Houston, United States writes: The Canadian economy is based on commodities and does not PhD graduates. I know, I am one of them. Even most of the big oil and gas companies in Calgary are just satellite offices, and the research is done elsewhere anyway. All you really need are operators and prospectors.
  309. If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: Disdain for Intellectuals- LOL

    No a disdain for bloodsucking, welfare bums who can't start their own company, seek capital investment like any other business, and pay for the research themselves.

    No my friends - taxpayers are done paying for bankers and scientists.
  310. If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: If your idea has merit

    someone other than the taxpayer can pay for the research, - risk and reward

    It's the capitalist way.
  311. Ontario Man from Canada writes: Every employed person who leaves Canada for a job in the US leaves behind a job vacancy here. In a time of high unemployment this is not such a bad thing.

    Young and ambitious PHds who now have access to recently vacated Canadian research facilities are most likely rejoicing at their good luck and opportunity.

  312. Another Option canada from Canada writes: Was not one of the many lies told to us that there was going to be a focus on Canada's plan was education towards a knowledge based work force. Where it all starts with R&D..
    Interesting Point on the new stimulus money. Universities have been given some of the money to fix up buildings etc.. Now at The University close to where I live the History building needs a new Roof.. But when the Plan was sugested to get this going they where told 'NO' ( From a federal Level ) the money must be spent on the Business school buidlings Which are mostly new...The Reformites are so full of their own agenda it's
  313. john smith from Canada writes: who cares? who need scientists?

    aren't we a country of lumberjacks?
  314. Glug Hic from Toronto, Canada writes: ...this is not a new issue. When we graduated from university in early to mid 90's, there were no research or science roles then either. Canada has a long history of underfunding R&D in Canada, and the pharma companies tend to have most of the R&D roles in the US and abroad.

    As much as I dislike Harper, this can't be all pinned on them. In fact, I don't think they are smart enough to have such a strategy of destroying research and science in Canada. It started long long before him.
  315. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: If I had a Trillion Lobsters (a Million is now a trillion due to QE) from canbabwe, Canada writes: If your idea has merit

    someone other than the taxpayer can pay for the research, - risk and reward

    It's the capitalist way.

    ** What an idiotic statement! Just like the one right before it. Since when has industry had any idea what basic research is? There's a big difference between basic research and R&D - the latter is industry's responsibility and they can pay for most of it. Basic research pretty well has to have a taxpayer-funded component.
  316. Hunkered down in the land of never ending promises from Canada writes: The good doctor and his team will be expected to produce something saleable so as to justify the research funds provided to his lab. His new hosts will welcome him, show him his new facilities and then point to the clock on the wall and tell him that it's ticking.
  317. Chad Remmel from Canada writes: The conservatives are continueing the tradition of killing cutting edge research in Caanda (lets we forget the avo aero).
    This really demonstrates nothing has changed with the Cons.
    It is time for them to go.
  318. Hunkered down in the land of never ending promises from Canada writes: Also this must drive Liberals crazy especially since an election is more than a year away.
  319. Cooler Head from Big Smoke, Canada writes: One of the strategies employed by the neocons in Ontario under Harris was to 'undo programmes we don't like until they can never be done up again.' Sound familiar? Some of the same policy advisors now inhabit the PMO and provide Harper with help (as though he needed much) to ensure a long lasting conservative legacy even in the face of a change of government. They well know that once fundamental research is dismantled, the cost of restarting it would be many times the cost of maintaining it. That's the idea. Send it down the road to such an extent that even if the Libs win the next election it will be too late. Read the posts carefully. There is a strong anti-intellectual undercurrent flowing through the Tory apologists. It's sad, really. The very researchers that could improve our existence are being driven away because of distorted ideology. Read Curt Hanselmann's post above and you'll get the idea. Or r.b.! Aids has become manageable in the west. It's killing Africans at a great old rate. What do you say to them? To bad - you should have been born in elightened Alberta where real men know how to take care of themselves? The sad part of the reformist world which professes such faith and Christian values is that they're blind to the irony of their own value system. Part of the core value of most religions is a responsibility for the common good. Yes, you are in fact your brother's keeper.
  320. G. Veneta from Canada writes: 'Harper urged to soul search'. HA. He'd better go search for one.

    These regressives are celebrating this! Death to science and thinking works in their favour. Only one with a lack of brains would support such corruption, secrecy and a war on the environment and science.
  321. Karen Cheyne from BC, Canada writes: Joseph Bloggins from Canada writes: There are a great many scientists in the world and as with any other job, they move on for many reasons. This guy is a prima donna and is playing political games .............................................................................................................. I agree. First of all, though, he claims that he is taking his staff of 25 researchers with him; then says 20 can't get into the States and are working from Montreal. Why is this the case? Then, say you are taking 5 researchers with you. Ah, didn't sound as threatening, did it? Canada has approximately 30-35 million citizens and a budget that is compatible to that amount..plus a new stimulus package in proportion to what taxpayers were prepared to accept ; the US has 10 times as many citizens with a budget that is proportionately huge. Add to that, a record stimulus of $787 Billion and a pending annual budget of $1.3 trillion . Tell me, how can this scientist expect Canada to outbid the US? And, why should Canada do so? We are always going to be the underdog in any such comparison. This is a fact of life. To change that scenario, our taxes would have to skyrocket drastically (maybe 10X); and then, the posts here would be very unfriendly, to say the least. I wish Dr. Sekaly a lot of luck in his new endeavor. An opportunity like that only comes once or twice in a lifetime and he should grab it. Am sure this issue will arise again at election time...how Harper supposedly is forcing our best scientists to leave for greener pastures; am dying to see if fellow Canadians will volunteer a tax increase of 10X or more to enable Mr. Harper to carry out their wishes of retaining top researchers etc. The opposition woouldn't be able to deliver on this issue either.
  322. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: R. Carriere writes : ''...R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: A bit of a cheap shot, sour grapes article which clearly omits the reality of the at least last 30 years in Canada concerning several diverse industries. EX: How long have private US hospitals been recruiting top notch doctors/radiologists etc.. from our hospitals? Our nursing professionals? In several Canadian cities, they hold information sessions on a yearly basis and are aggressive. The packages they offered ,as govt. is not involved, made it difficult to say no for many.'' ____________________________________________________ You are absolutely right about private US hospitals recruiting in Canada. In fact, at our local Faculty of Medicine, there is a huge problem with keeping doctors to do their internship right here. Those young doctors are being recruited by US hospitals and Florida and Southern California are very attractive... 40 years ago, sometime between 1967 and 1970, the exact opposite was happening when our new University Hospital and Faculty of Medicine was attracting top surgeons from the US, Belgium, Spain, and even India.... I know this for a fact since our neighbours were a great mix of doctors from everywhere and of course, doctors who had graduated from Laval, Montreal and McGill. The other neighbours were mostly local business people... This brings fond memories of those wonderful years, 40 years ago. Now, the wind has shifted, starting perhaps very slowly 30 years ago and we're losing more and more doctors and nurses to the US or private practice, not only in Qc but all over Canada. - = 13
  323. M G from Canada writes: With a creationist chiropractor as a science and technology minister, and the move away from 'advancement of knowledge' research and toward industry partnerships, I am also finding it more difficult to acquire funding in this country. Ultimately, I will probably leave, unless this policy reverses course within the next two years. Where does an ecologist, an astrophysicist or a philosopher fit in if all research needs to lead to a product? I guess ecosystem health and understanding of the universe and our place in it are no longer valuable goals. I suppose I need to figure out how to improve widgets instead.
  324. Daniel Plainview from Canada writes: buh bye. dont need ya
  325. Right Winger from Canada writes: So, can anyone tell me where this money should come from? Do we have a bottomless taxpayer pocket to keep funneling money to every cause the good people here posting at the G&M want?
    If the auto industry was allowed to die and 10's of thousands of people put out of work, would that be better than having a few scientists move south?
    And lastly, where would you people like to see funding cut to pay for R&D?
    Money doesn't grow on trees like some people here think, it has to come from some place.
  326. J. R. from halifax, Canada writes: Ontario Man from Canada writes: 'J. R. from halifax are you suggesting that the 'brain drain' is a new phenomenon created by our current government?'

    I'm suggesting that the this gentleman is leaving Canada and taking his research with him because of a failure of our current government to recognize the value of research and fund it accordingly, and I'm suggesting that because that is what he's told us. The current government is cutting funding to research as part of its 'stimuls package,' while south of the border exactly the opposite is happening. If you want to characterize that as part of a long-standing ill defined 'brain drain' then fine, as long as you recognize that Stephen Harper is pouring gasoline all over that smouldering fire. The solution to the challenges facing our country will not be found in blaming someone else.
  327. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes: r b from Calgary, Canada writes: The Big Lie regarding AIDS research is that research is 'starved' due to social conservative hangups surrounding AIDS - i.e because it is seen as an African and gay community problem.
    Poppycock.
    Within a decade of the outbreak of AIDS, it has gone from being a certain death sentence to a manageable chronic condition.
    Can the same be said for cancer?
    The simple fact is that the medical scientific community was massively mobilized to research this disease and that research has made monumental advances in a relatively short time.
    But the AIDS research community has learned how to play the 'evil neo-con' card very well in order to keep their funding pot boiling.
    This latest scream is just more of the same.
    Tim to cue Stephen Lewis and his evil-western-world-flagellation-circus.
    ======
    Time to cue the ignorant historical revisionists'. It is no big lie--it is carved in history. Have a look at neo con Reagan's shameful record on the issue:
    http://tinyurl.com/2ca5z4
    Cutting surgeon general C. Everett Koop out of discussions on the affliction. What a disgrace!!

    'In an another example of accelerating development aid to Africa, President Bush signed a law just before Christmas pledging $52m annually for fiscal years 2006 and 2007 to the Democratic Republic of Congo following elections there. As with aid to other countries, it comes with strings attached, including a requirement that the government open up to trade and foreign investors.
    Some African specialists complain that because of such conditions, American assistance is still more about self-interest than altruism.'
    http://tinyurl.com/ca96xa

    Moreover you obviously missed a posting above citing an article on how Harpo passed on the AIDS Conference in Toronto back in 2006.

    You tried to exonerate 'the evil neo con' card played by scientists', but it has reinforced that view.

    Your post is ideological poppycock.
  328. Joe V from Canada writes: Right Winger: More money was spent last week on Chrysler than the government spends on science in an entire year. For that much money, we could have doubled the research community in Canada. So, in answer to your question, the money should be diverted from bailouts to hopeless companies.
  329. S Balderick from Canada writes: Right Winger from Canada writes: If the auto industry was allowed to die and 10's of thousands of people put out of work, would that be better than having a few scientists move south?
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    And there you have it. Tory thinking in a nutshell: they'd rather prop up a dying dinosaur of an industry rather than being on the forefront of innovation and the industry of tomorrow.
  330. Peter Cromerovich from Erehwon, Canada writes: You don't need theoretical scientific research if you are a creationist believing in imminent Armageddon. All you need is applied industry science to keep the corporations ticking over.
    You certainly don't need medical research to treat AIDS and other such diseases brought down as punishment for non-adherence to evangelical biblical beliefs.
    Down south the rapture has been cancelled or at the very least postponed with the entrance of Obama; if we could just rid Canada of the pestilence of our present ideological governing party we could similarly delay or postpone it in Canada too.
  331. Hairy Wrangellian from Saltspring Island, Canada writes: Joseph Bloggins from Canada wrote: 'There are a great many scientists in the world and as with any other job, they move on for many reasons. This guy is a prima donna and is playing political games....as is the Globe and Mail......the official voice of the Ignatieff Liberals.'

    So you might think, but there really is a problem here. It didn't start with the Cons, but it has got worse under them. My sister is a cancer researcher in a big US university - she'd love to move back here and would jump at any opportunity to do so, but in the last couple of years the situation has gotten worse, not better.

    At the moment she's got a real problem; too much money. With Obama's stimulus package there is suddenly such a glut of grant money, she's having trouble writing up all the grant applications.
  332. Rocky Balboa from United States writes: Canadians have been moving to the US in significant numbers since before Confederation. Read here: http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/stats/goto-us.htm for some early data.
    Immigration from the US to Canada has been much smaller over the years and has remained so even during the 'War on Terror', which has encouraged some Muslims in the US to leave for Canada and made it more difficult for potential Canadian emigrants to move to the US. It is unfair to blame PM Harper for this long term phenomenon. But the Quebec language law passed over 30 years ago certainly did not help matters. There are very few Bronfmans left in Montreal.

  333. Toronto S from Canada writes: Resarch and HARPER for that matter CONSERVATIVES do they beleive in progress and new things?.
  334. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes:

    'still using that bad brown acid from the 60's .....eh rick ????? or are you like your boss.........Aliar ????'

    Look it up son. It's a fact.

    Calgary has the most educated population in Canada per capita. Must be all the engineers, lawyers and accountants.

  335. james cyr from Balmertown, Canada writes: Research and development is best left to the private sector...
  336. BCer living in Ontario westerner from Canada writes: Katherine R from Canada writes: My husband and I are in a similar position, although we are more junior researchers at the first stage of our careers. We both have Ph.D.s and would love to live in Canada but there are almost no opportunities for us there. We currently work at MIT and Harvard, which is great, but kind of sad that after all the schooling we have done (we have 6 degrees between us) and despite all our expertise, we have no opportunities in Canada. We have both had offers in England, Scotland, New Zealand, Netherlands and Switzerland, but not from Canada. Hopefully that will change some day and we can return to Canada, but that will surely not happen under the current Prime Minister------------------------------- and it obviously didn't happen under the previous Liberal government. So both you and your husband got your subsidized Canadian University education so you could work elsewhere. One of the sources of money for these American research projects is the high tuition paid by the students. We can do the same - triple the tuition at Canadian universities and then you PHD researchers can have your jobs in Canada. Think the students will go for it? AS FAR AS THE SPORTS PROGRAMS, many of these pay for the university. With out them there would be no jobs.
  337. Harper can't be trusted from Canada writes: Harper sees no reason to invest in the future of Canada.

    That's because under the foul harper regime, and based on his obviously idealogy, Canada HAS NO FUTURE, except perhaps as a new American state.

    By the way, some of you have misread the article.

    It's not that Harper should do some soul searching.

    Harper needs to search for a soul.

    He has none and has made that abundantly clear.

    In fact, I doubt that he sees a reflection when he looks in the mirror.

    A Harper promise is still as good as a lie
  338. Steve Church from Canada writes: Right Winger, that money was coming from Governments and charities. Every major government on the planet funds research and development - it's in our interest in the areas of health, economic development, security, and safety. It's no different than having the best trainers to get the best athletes. The reactions of you and Joggins, with your dumbo rhetoric and slogan-chanting, is how we end up with the Big L on our collective forehead. Crannial myopia and political posturing got us a place in the aerospace industry; well, almost - we cancelled the project and lost the R&D guys.
  339. Joe V from Canada writes: 'In fact, I doubt that he sees a reflection when he looks in the mirror.' The mirror shattered before he had a chance.
  340. Fake Name from Canada writes: 'Right Winger from Canada writes: And lastly, where would you people like to see funding cut to pay for R&D? Money doesn't grow on trees like some people here think, it has to come from some place.'

    Human rights commissions. Arts and culture grants. Pretty much any politically leftist program-funding. CBC bureaucrat salaries. Shall I go on?
  341. diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: It's interesting that we are spending $billions ostensibly for the purpose of introducing modernity to Afghanistan even as we regress ourselves. Welcome to Stephen Harper's 'brave' new Canada stepping out on the 'world stage'. He prefers brawn over brains, apparently.
  342. 7370 Km to the East Please from kelowna to heathrow, Canada writes: What is up with this guy? Canada is in a brain drain...oh wait, if all the smart people leave then Harper stands a better chance at winning the next election! Genius.
  343. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Toronto S from Canada writes:

    'Resarch and HARPER for that matter CONSERVATIVES do they beleive in progress and new things?.'

    Learn how to spell

    'research'

    and

    'believe'

    before posting your drivel.
  344. Hung Long from Hong Kong writes: Apparently governments that have billions for unions and companies manufacturing gas-guzzling lemons have only peanuts for the best and brightest.
  345. George Nikitin from Hamilton, Canada writes: Harper has a soul? I thought he rented it to the highest bidding corporations.
  346. BCer living in Ontario westerner from Canada writes: S Balderick from Canada writes: Right Winger from Canada writes: If the auto industry was allowed to die and 10's of thousands of people put out of work, would that be better than having a few scientists move south? --------------------------------------------------------------- And there you have it. Tory thinking in a nutshell: they'd rather prop up a dying dinosaur of an industry rather than being on the forefront of innovation and the industry of tomorrow=================== They are propping the auto industry up at the insistence from the opposition. Notice Obama is also propping up the autu industry. Harper would rather they sink or swim as private companies, but alas, like others he would prefer to stay in power, so rather than face another election that Canadians don't want he did what the opposition (liberals & NDP) wanted.
  347. BCer living in Ontario westerner from Canada writes: One measure of our ability to turn the results of our efforts in research and development into potentially commercial possibilities is the rate at which we generate new patents. Patents are a legal recognition that an idea is unique and deserves protection, allowing the inventors either to proceed to commercialize the invention themselves or to license it to others. It is one way, though not the only way, of measuring the results of our investments in research and development. This past week the World Intellectual Property Office, known as WIPO, published its annual report, which showed that we may be getting a poor return for our research investments and that these numbers should be a cause for concern in Canada All this to say that PM Harper's government has said that they want to focus dollars where the research will bring quick commercial return on ther dollar. Based on the above report from the WIPO the government is correct in their approach as we haven't been getting the bang for our research buck.
  348. Joe V from Canada writes: 'They are propping the auto industry up at the insistence from the opposition.' Tell yourself whatever you want. At the end of the day, it was Harper who made the call.
  349. john wardle from Canada writes:

    Harper believes it's GOD's turn to do some R&D for us.
  350. F H from Ottawa, Canada writes: Harper, being a right-wing version of a Christian would stand actively against not only science but also gay people. I'm guessing when he found out more gays would die if there wasn't enough funding to find a cure that it was a win/win situation for him. And too bad for the majority of people who contract it (straight men and womenJ). Collateral damage and all that.

    It's sickening that such backward people have control of anything more complex that a piece of string.
  351. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes:

    Harpers run out of stupid people to vote for him.

    Now he's getting rid of the intellectuals.
  352. Joe V from Canada writes: BCer: You forget that a) much of the research that is beneficial to society is not directly profitable, and b) most publicly-funded researchers are more concerned with conducting and disseminating their research than they are with patenting it. In fact, many hold patents in disregard due to the deleterious effects that they have on future research.
  353. Hugh Albert from Canada writes: The same applies to R&D. Mr Harper & Mr Flaherty know everything that's right about everything. Those who vote for these two idiots are doing the future prosperity of younger generations a great disservice, not to mention this one.
  354. Super Grover from Canada writes: So very sad; even with Bush, we had a hard time competing with the US. Now, the new high tech, research, information, and medical industries will be even harder to attract without government support. These industries are where the real, high-paying jobs will be, and we are missing out greatly. I fear for the financial health of our country, when our money gets pumped into obsolete manufacturing jobs instead of the real industries that have real growth.
  355. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: I think we should fund scientists and researchers to lobotomize CONservatives to see what makes them so retarded.
  356. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: 'mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes:
    Harpers run out of stupid people to vote for him.
    Now he's getting rid of the intellectuals.'

    Yes, but Harpo IS an intellectual. The science of economics is Stevie's field of expertise and research. That's how he is able to predict recessions and know when is a good time to invest in the stock market.
  357. mone ofurbus from Canada writes: Actually Harper made a very smart decision by not pumping more money into very costly r&d with a very low chance of sucess or returns. Let the scientist and his colleagues go to the US. , if and when they find a cure ,we can buy the medicine from them thereby saving billions.
  358. Maplebird - from Canada writes: If left to pursue its current course, our nation will wither and die. While deficit funding is never ideal, we cannot simply stop investing in the things that will move us forward. We have to have vision and bank on there being a return on investment at some point. Otherwise, what is the point of our national existence? If we cannot pursue a vision of Canada that gets Canadians excited and fired up to be living here, then we are in trouble. Of course, we just don't have the population base with which to sustain the kind of funding that the US gives to its scientists, but we can do much better than we are currently doing (you know, itís a good thing Harper and his cronies werenít around in the era of Banting and Best Ė now that would have been a disaster beyond all reckoning!). We have greatness in us. We do not have to go with the tired quote Harper likes to use about being the ďTrue North Strong and FreeĒ while amping up our tiny military might (hell, that is such a joke that even Russia is laughing at us). Rather, letís go with a real vision. Letís rediscover our identity as an outdoors nation, a nation of ideas and innovation. Letís become a nation of peace and tolerance, where our strength is derived from our diversity. We have the great ideas and skills that can turn our national fortunes around. But nothing will come of sitting around and bitching about it, even if bitching is the most popular Canadian pastime after hockey.
  359. David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: If the gov't would give me a paltry $7,000,000, I'd invent the condom.
  360. Edwin Lee from Toronto, Canada writes: He moved to Florida to get more than double of existing 3.5 million in funding.

    $4 billion to save 9,000 auto jobs - average high school graduates, to make junk cars.

    $7 million to keep 26 top scientists - average doctor degree, to cure AIds for the world.

    Now, $500 million to GM, a US company, to keep it running.
  361. Randal Oulton from Canada writes: I would invite all the posters here to put their money where their mouths are and donate to the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR), which is dedicated to providing funding to develop and keep research talent in Canada. There is a 'donate now' button right on their website.
  362. Disillusioned Onlooker from Sudbury, Canada writes: And why would it bother Harper's Heroes to lose research scientists in general, and AIDS researchers in particular? Stevie and Co. know that the world is flat and those nuisancy scientists just keep disagreeing; as for AIDS, why look for a cure when 'everybody (Conservative) knows' that it's God's punishment for being gay? Don't let facts get in the way, Stevie - you just keep on leading us proudly into the 18th century.
  363. J S from Canada writes: I don't know where Harper and Flaherty are spending all our cash. This Conservative government was already in deficit territory before they figured out that the world was in a financial crisis when they returned from the prorogued government. Other than blowing smoke up everyone's a55, what are they doing??
  364. Seamus O'Reily from Hamilton, Canada writes: Stephen Harper... wrecking the country one dollar at a time. I guess you'd like your 2 points on the GST back now, wouldn't you Stevie?
  365. J S from Canada writes: 'Randal Oulton from Canada writes: I would invite all the posters here to put their money where their mouths are and donate to the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR), which is dedicated to providing funding to develop and keep research talent in Canada. There is a 'donate now' button right on their website.'

    I would like Harper to take all of the money he's put into guaranteeing mortgages for the banks and all the money he's dumped into Chrysler and give it to the scientific community where there's a possibility of a return on investment. Give me a 'don't donate here' button for these things, cut my taxes on par with the cuts to the science budget and I'll gladly give the money to CIFAR.
  366. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes

    Calgary has the most educated population in Canada
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    The Last Fenian from Canada writes

    Not sure where you got that claim about Calgary Rick but apparently Alberta, which overwhelmingly votes Conservative is far down the rankings of the educated

    One-quarter of Ontario’s population aged 25 to 64 had a university degree in 2001, the highest share among the provinces.
    Ontario was followed by British Columbia 24%, the Yukon 23%, Quebec 22%, Alberta 21% and Manitoba and Nova Scotia 20%.

    www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/Products/Analytic/companion/educ/provs.cfm

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    ricky c ...........just like his boss Harper.........Aliar.
  367. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Randal Oulton from Canada writes: I would invite all the posters here to put their money where their mouths are and donate to the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR), which is dedicated to providing funding to develop and keep research talent in Canada. There is a 'donate now' button right on their website _______________________________________________ Excellent idea. Where I put my money is between a lot of causes, starting with Societe de recherche sur le Cancer, then various others ranging from Medecins sans frontieres (in English: Doctors without borders), and Medecins du monde, Heart, Diabetes, Wildlife, Fauteuils roulants (Athletes in wheelchairs) and so many others.... CIFAR.... sounds like a great cause but I firmly believe that the Harper government should fully support Research and Development instead of focusing on the auto industry and the oil industry. Of course, this won't happen anytime soon... Meanwhile, I'm hoping that our pension funds and retirement plan savings do not go through the wringer.... and our canadian loonie might be worth less than 10 cents. Thank you and good day. p.s. Surprise! Surprise! Guillaume does not seem to have responded to my comment regarding Doctors moving to California and Florida ... -
  368. Disgusted Canadian from Canada writes: Randle Oulton, the lefties find it easier to whine and bellyache, actually, this travels in unison with their IQ!
  369. Jack Black from Canada writes: Dont give 3.77 billion to CAW, give it to researchers who at least have a brain and a future.
  370. No Coalition from Canada writes: “Right now, the funding is not there. They are going to fund you, but they are going to fund you at levels that will not allow you to be highly competitive. If you are not highly competitive, you are done,” he says.

    Clearly this is not the strain of scientist we want.

    You can't host a feed-trough for just anyone who can survive a bachelor of sciences degree. Considering the curve, if he is insinuating that the US is attracting uncompetitive scientists and 'NA NA na BOO boo', I could care a less. It's not like an AIDS cure is going to be discovered in the US and kept quiet.

    If money is limited in supply, then we must hire only the best.
  371. Joe V from Canada writes: Harper only appreciates brains when they are deep-fried and served with ketchup.
  372. Harper can't be trusted from Canada writes: Rick C from Calgary, Canada blathers;

    Learn how to spell 'research' and 'believe' before posting your drivel.

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    And little Ricky, YOUR comment thoroughly sums up the pathetically limited Neanderthal thinking surrounding Harper and his brain dead sycophant minions.

    Rather than consider the issue at hand, you resort to criticizing my typing skills. Well there ya go..so I can't type.

    However unlike YOU little Ricky I can think.

    Now then, in order to insure that this post fits your limited comprehension skills little Ricky let me offer a suggestion to YOU Ricky...

    Learn how to remove your bulbous head from your fat backside you pompous llttle a-hole. Until you manage that herculean task you will remain part of the problem not a part of the solution.

    Think Ricky.

    Apply those sadly limited brain cells you were given whist standing behind the door to something beyond beer, nose picking, and hockey.

    Ya f'ing putz.

    A Harper promise is STILL as good as a lie
  373. r s4 from Mission, Canada writes: Gov. Harper, office boy for Houston based oil companies, has zero interest in scientific research, especially if it applies to AIDS or any other sexually transmitted disease. As far as the Alberta Reform Alliance goes, people who get AIDS are being punished for their sins.
    Fundementalist Kristians such as Stockboy and Steve see no requirement to pursue publicly supported research because everything that happens in their strange universe is as a result of their psychotic god's will.
    The clock is ticking Steve...you are running out of time. Face it, it must be god's will that you have failed 3 times to get a majority government. He just doesn't trust you.
  374. Joe V from Canada writes: No Coalition from Canada writes: 'Clearly this is not the strain of scientist we want.'

    You mean the kind that wants to spend most of their time doing research instead of begging for money from politicians?
  375. mone ofurbus from Canada writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: I think we should fund scientists and researchers to lobotomize CONservatives to see what makes them so retarded.
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    Why waste more money on something that the liberal loonies have been abundantly clear examples of since the Trudeau era?
  376. Harper can't be trusted from Canada writes: r s4 from Mission, Canada writes:
    The clock is ticking Steve...you are running out of time. Face it, it must be god's will that you have failed 3 times to get a majority government. He just doesn't trust you.

    --------------

    Now THAT's funny!

    Harper really IS a three time loser huh?

    Dump Harper
  377. Emilio Garazgos from Kanata, Canada writes: From the comments above, I see a disturbing trend of people with Canadian taxpayer-subsidized undergrad/grad/post grad degrees going to other countries and presumably, paying income tax on their earnings to foreign govts and spending/investing their income in those foreign lands.

    The excuse that they seem to be using for betraying/back-stabbing Canadian taxpayers is that there is a shortage of jobs for people 'with their qualifications' here .

    I don't suppose that it occurred to any of these people that they might use some of their 'smarts' to create opportunities for themselves here in Canada and in the process, quite likely create a few additional jobs for others ?

    Instead, they choose the slacker route and opt for the ready-made
    job elsewhere.

    That's fine. To each his/her own.

    But to be fair, shouldn't these Entitlement Babies reimburse Canadian taxpayers for the subsidised portion of their Canadian education ?
  378. Bernard Fitzpatrick from Toronto, Canada writes: Emilio Garazgos from Kanata, Canada writes: I don't suppose that it occurred to any of these people that they might use some of their 'smarts' to create opportunities for themselves here in Canada and in the process, quite likely create a few additional jobs for others ?

    Instead, they choose the slacker route and opt for the ready-made
    job elsewhere.
    --

    Turning research into jobs requires R&D investment. The US spends way more (per capita) in Canada on R&D. So, until Canada makes more R&D funding available, those profits are being lost to the US.

    And it's not just about the funding. Canada could attract and retain better researchers if the gov't would stop the political interference in the scientific process.

    handsoffscience.ca
  379. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Retired friends and I are getting so cynical and disillusioned and we're wondering what will happen to our children and grandchildren...

    Canada is headed in the direction of hewers of wood and drawers of water and let's not forget the recent Shovel in every Unemployed hand.

    Let's not forget that we're also the favourite supplier of cannon fodder for the superpower of the moment; WW1 and WW2, under the Brits and Afghan-Pak hellhole Kandahar, under the ''murricans''...

    Future doesn't loo very bright either, since our North West Passage was declared international waters by the Ambassador to Canada during the ChaneyBush years and now the Russians are very busy up there in the Arctic.

    What has Canada got to defend Our True North Strong and Free? Oh well... we bought and-or leased Leopard tanks from Germany and Holland, we bought sinking submaries from England.

    Never mind. Research and Development??
    Who knows??

    Who knows what next. Perhaps printing trillions of dollars to fund automobile makers, oil wells, whatever...

    -
  380. mone ofurbus from Canada writes: The real question to be asked is , why spend all that money on aids research when the cure is right before our eyes. It called prevention! We all know that the Canadian health association Links the leading cause of lung cancer with smoking ,is very vocal about the dangers thereof going so far as to try and elminate tobacco products. Why not the same stance on the leading cause of aids?
  381. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, alberta from Canada writes: It's interesting that we are spending $billions ostensibly for the purpose of introducing modernity to Afghanistan even as we regress ourselves. Welcome to Stephen Harper's 'brave' new Canada stepping out on the 'world stage'. He prefers brawn over brains, apparently.
    Posted 04/05/09 at 1:31 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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    Let's remember that before ChaneyBushRumsfeld decided to invade Iraq, Iraq was a SECULAR society with plenty of WOMEN DOCTORS, LAWYERS, and other professionals.

    Of course, LilGeorge didn't know the difference between Shia and Sunni; now Iraq is a close cousin of Iran and the Ayatollahs.

    Plus ca change ...

    -Sorry I'm off topic but this is an IMPORTANT fact, no matter what the deniers might say.

    -
  382. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Harper can't be trusted from Canada writes:

    'However unlike YOU little Ricky I can think.'

    No actually Vern your posts suggest you're stupid.

    'Now then, in order to insure that this post fits your limited comprehension skills little Ricky let me offer a suggestion to YOU Ricky...'

    That would be 'ensure' not 'insure'.

    You did spell bulbous correctly though which is definitely progress for you; those remedial English classes are paying off.

    As for the rest of your post...well it's nothing but drivel.

    Cheers
  383. Grant Bowen from BC, the real West, Canada writes: Matt Stiles from Canada writes: Orest Zarowski,
    You want more R&D funding in Canada? Eliminate taxes. Completely. Sally, bar the door. You won't be able to stop the influx of scientists from around the world.
    =============
    Right... name a tax-haven that's over-run with research scientists. God you right-wingers can be so obtuse
  384. Edwin Lee from Toronto, Canada writes: Good news for middle working class:

    Harper just announced closure of all universities in Canada and cancel all funding to scientific research!!

    The saved funding will be used to pump up auto factories assembly line.

    Auto factories will hire all unemployed canadians without university degree. Those graduated from universities have no luck and will be unemployed.

    However, we now have a much stronger uneducated middle working class in the country and pay more tax and contribute to our country.

    Our country will prosper, supplying and manufacturing everything we need. We do not have export but we don't need it anyway.

    Oh...C-A-N-A-D-A...
  385. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: The Last Fenian from Canada writes: .

    'Not sure where you got that claim about Calgary Rick but apparently Alberta, which 'overwhelmingly votes Conservative' is far down the rankings of the educated:'

    I didn't say Province; I said city.

    Calgary has the highest percentage of post-secondary educated citizens in Canada. I'll look for the link for you.
  386. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Correction:

    ''Look''

    I wrote:

    Future doesn't loo very bright either, since our North West Passage was declared international waters by the Ambassador to Canada during the ChaneyBush years and now the Russians are very busy up there in the Arctic.

    -

    Now, I'm outta here.
    Correction: out of

    - = z12
  387. sleazy Silvester from Canada writes: When you choose to let big business like walmart into Canada to cut away small business you can either push hard on clean industries (like pharmaceuticals) or you can let walmart employ your country thus creating a larger divide between rich and poor and hurting the countries education by (in the long run) limiting the amount of people who are able to go into universities and colleges.

    Harper what is the point in cutting funding for what obviously must be the future of our country (smart industry)?
    My guess, you would respond by saying 'it didn't hurt it' then I would also guess you don't read that many papers or listen to university professors when you have a room full of neo cons telling you what the world is like.
  388. Bill Paterson from Kitchener, Canada writes: What can you expect from a government that chose to side with G.W. Bush on the issue of climate change? The study of science and the furthering of human knowledge is a another silly Liberal idea. No doubt the Tories feel that the Christian fundamentalist movement can provide all the knowledge that Canada needs to remain competitive in the Global economy.
  389. Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    >>Boreal Moose from Canada writes: Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes: Yeah - those CAW fatcats! Taking a 30% pay cut and giving away their benefits like that....and forcing those CEOs to NOT declare bankruptcy...and having Stephen Harper so much in their pocket that he just coughed up the cash like a dutiful dog with no choice.....

    >>You are a complete bozo Mr. Wojnar!

    Excuse me, but didn't the federal and Ontario governments just hand over billions of taxpayer money to Chrysler and GM so they would not fail?

    I'm sorry, but if billions are given to the auto makers then we are greatly constrained on what we can provide to fund research and development in other areas. That's just simple math.

    The taxpayer is already way over extended. He/she is not a bottomless pit.

    And you call ME a bozo. Good grief.
  390. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: The most likely person to have aids today is a heterosexual woman in the third world, many of whom have either been forbade by their religious and cultural leaders from using protection, didn't have access to it or were never educated on it.

    Millions of children have contracted AIDS from their mothers.

    So for those touting prevention under the misconception that this is a practical piece of advice, you're closing the gate when the horse is already a mile down the road.
  391. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay Bay ON, Canada writes: Well let have a look here shall we. The 2009 Budget allocated some 847 MILLION DOLLARS for R&D granted some of this funding is for infrastructure re improvements to labs ect. In addition to the 488.5 MILLION for the Canadian Foundation for Innovation. PLUS a additional 71.2 MILLION for scholarships for those in R&D. Yes there was a reduction of 123 MILLION over 3 years for R&D for groups such as the Aids research, but as one can see our Government is spending a awful lot of our tax dollars on R&D and Innovation and scholarships for those in the R&D field. Hardly neglecting this sector.
  392. Another vicious kick right in the face from Orwell's Ghost, writes: Top AIDS researcher lured away, urges Harper 'soul-searching'

    It's no good searching -- we know who holds the mortgage on that.
  393. Joe V from Canada writes: George Lawrence: Total up that amount. It is less than was spent on Chrysler in the past week alone. When the entire Canadian scientific community receives less funding than a single company in a week, I'd say that means the scientific community is neglected.
  394. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: Harpo also believes in funding creation science and social science such as the Frasier Institute and other conservative 'think-tanks'.
    Give credit where it's due, all you nabobs.
  395. Rocky Balboa from United States writes: One of the most successful new companies of the past decade has been Google, one of whose co-founders was born in Russia. As far as I know, Google did not get any of its early capital from the US government or from the State of California, but from Stanford University and an assortment of venture capitalists. Would Mr. Brin have done as well if his parents had chosen to move to Toronto instead of to the US? I doubt it. Another Russian immigrant (to the US) who also has done well in the high tech world is Max Levchin, a co-founder of PayPal. One of the co-founders of Ebay was Canadian Jeff Skoll. Ironically, Jeff Skoll was born in Montreal but his family moved to Toronto in 1979, probably because of Quebec's language law. He has lived in California since 1993. I wonder whether the people of Quebec know or care what their French language law has cost them and the Canada as a whole?
  396. Philosopher King from Ivory Tower, Canada writes: George Lawrence from Thunder Bay Bay ON, Canada: According to Statistics Canada, when you dig through the reannouncments of old funds, the sunsetting of funding programs that didn't use all their money and the the net effect of cuts, funding amounts came in around the level of inflation, ie no real change since the 90s.

    Per capita however, Canada is very poor at funding research compared to its G8 counterparts.
  397. Peter Wojnar from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    >>Rocky Balboa from United States writes: One of the most successful new companies of the past decade has been Google, one of whose co-founders was born in Russia.

    And don't forget Robert Young from Ancaster, Ontario, the man behind RedHat, Inc. He started RedHat in North Carolina.
  398. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay Bay ON, Canada writes: Philospher King says Canadians taxpayers not spending as much on R&D as G8 counterparts. Perhaps so but at 33 MILLION Canada's popualtion is very to close to the bottom of that group. Where still spending close to a BILLION plus DOLLARS and that's a lot of money.
  399. Joe V from Canada writes: George Lawrence: Do you not know what 'per capita' means?
  400. Fake Name from Canada writes: 'Matt Stiles from Canada writes: You want more R&D funding in Canada? Eliminate taxes. Completely. Sally, bar the door. You won't be able to stop the influx of scientists from around the world.'

    So are you an anarchist, or just too dim to realize that with zero taxes, you can't afford those nice things (like police) that are necessary to support having a civilization?

    I don't think much scientific research (or much of anything else, for that matter) is going to get done if everyone is busy clutching their guns for protection from gangs of thugs.
  401. Hillbilly Bob from now living in the city!, Canada writes: To: a jewish man from United States

    You're not a Jew at all are you - you're just simply posting the most inflammatory comments allowed and CALLING yourself a jew from the US.

    I suggest you're simple an anti-semite.
  402. Fred Garvin MP from Canada writes: Dr. Sekaly ....... we understand ...... you have to do what you have to do.

    But, is it possible that you could TAKE TONY CLEMENT WITH YOU ????
  403. George Lawrence from Thunder Bay Bay ON, Canada writes: Yes Joe V I do. One BILLION DOLLARS PLUS is a lot of money and that does not include PROVINCIAL funding by the way.. Canada is not neglecting the R&D Sector. Our Molecular Research lab in TB is employing Hundreds and Our Lakeheadu is doing excellent work in the R&D field.and both these institutions are attacking researchers from around the world. including AMERICAN!
    The researcher who claims he's leaving because of a lack of funds Say's he will double his budget in the US. On a national per capital formula basis why is he not getting 10-11 times the budget? I suspect this gentleman was planning on leaving in any case.Many Canadians look to green pastures even some intellectuals and writer/professor types packing their carpet bags and leaving for those alleged greener pastures. Some even return 3-4 decades later.proclaiming I understand Canadians. I hope this researcher will be one of them, some time down the road. and say I understand Canada . There's only so many BILLIONS to go around.
  404. Joe V from Canada writes: George Lawrence: Less money is spent on research per annum in Canada than was spent on Chrysler last week alone. Can you honestly argue that the money is better spent on Chrysler? One billion is a lot of money, but if we can afford to spend tens of billions bailing out banks and car companies, why can we not afford a few billion to build a stronger research community and create an economy geared toward the future?
  405. Point Blank from Vancouver, Canada writes: Harper is not for innovation, instead he prefers to go for a dip in a tar pond.

    He is totally backwards.
  406. Ben Metal from Kitchener, Canada writes: What more do Canadians need to hear?
    Every passing day Harper & his government sit at the throne, Canada takes a GIANT step back. Do I think Harper wants Canada to fall behind?, no, but he obviously lacks forward thinking...maybe that's why he took the 'Progressive' out of the Conservative.

    Is now the right time for an election?, not really, but I can't help but feel we'll all be better off the sooner Mr. Harper steps aside & lets our nation flourish.
  407. Moving Faster from G'ville, Canada writes: Nice to see that Harper is living up to one of his promises; no , we truly won't recognize Canada when he's done with it. Pardon me, there's another promise that he's living up to , but not so well known, and that's to reduce the living standards of Canadians, except for the importers of Chinese made goods. An election can't come fast enough, and Harper knows it, because his days are numbered.
  408. Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville, Canada writes: TWO POINTS:

    1. The Conservative Govt. does not have the intelligence to differentiate between infrastructure and scientific research to decide which would be more beneficial to the future of the Canadian economy. I was surprised to hear Ignatieff speak of 'what you want Canada to be in 2017 -our 150th anniversary - and that he intended to invest in scientific research'. Somebody is thinking outside the box.

    2)'He is working on a therapeutic vaccine to boost the immune systems of people infected with the virus that causes AIDS.' Do you expect Stephen Harper, a born again christian, to support such a 'terrible anti-social disease'?
  409. Mrs. T from Canada writes: This really should be titled 'take your shot at the government'. The depth of comments on this board is truly astounding; but, why should I be surprised. Most Canadians have been told what to think by government and media for years. No independent thought required here, folks. Just repeat after me... (fill in the blank with lovely catch phrases like neo-con, conborg, harpercrit, etc.).
  410. Brian McAndrew from Aurora, Canada writes: Harper/Flaherty/Clement Economics:

    Wage Inflation BAD!

    Surplus of Workers / Shortage of Jobs GOOD!

    Decline of Canadian Standard of Living ECONOMIC NIRVANA!
  411. BIG HOMO lobby shakes McGuinty gov. down for 100 million dollars in pseudo-medical research funding from Toronto, Canada writes:
    ... continuing from 04/05/09 at 5:51 PM ....

    BIG HOMO lobby in Toronto knowing what kind of predicament Ontario Liberals are in, decided to blackmail McGuinty government into coughing up 100 million dollars in Ontario taxpayer's money allegedly for scientific research by threatening that THEY will blow cover on 'mysterious HIV virus allegedly causing AIDS condition' scam and cause downfall of McGuinty's government.

    Preventing scandal is something that Ontario Liberals were always willing to pay for, so here you have it folks:
    another 100 million dollars in Ontario taxpayer's money goes to keeping HIV/AIDS scam going and to propagation of homosexual agenda thinly disguised as pseudo- medical research into 'genetic' causes of pedophilia conducted by raging homosexual Dr. James Cantor
    (see: http://individual.utoronto.ca/james_cantor/ ).

  412. bobby dy from Canada writes: George Lawrence, what is your definition of 'alot'? The CIHR budget was supposed to be $1 billion/yr as of 4 years ago. That was to keep us competitive with the rest of the world.

    The issue with Harper is not so much this last budget (current circumstances are what they are) but the three before that. When the government had ample dollars, the government began the starvation of the research councils. As for CFI, keep it. That is not where we need an infusion of dollars right now. Research infrastructure is not the problem. Having the dollars to use that research infrastructure is.

    Basic research is the domain of national governments and it is not the domain of industry. Industry exploits the immediately applicable basic research and without government in basic research, industry pipelines will dry up. Development is the domain of industry. These two work hand in hand. There will be no thriving high tech in Canada without investments in basic research. It's that simple. This government never understood that and never will. The best solution is simply to change government. We can get better policy for the same dollars with the LPC and the sooner this government goes, the less damage there will be to repair. That point is particularly true for social policy where this government has advanced the will of a small minority of Canadians.
  413. Lance M from Canada writes: Most of our brain drain will return as the US economy collapses under debt and inflation. China quietly stopped buying US debt so they have been buying their own up, the running of the printing press by that country continues to devalue its currency and as oil supplies continue to tighten and the US can no longer afford to buy it, the country will slip beneath the waves (likely not quietly) and our ex-pats will find their ways home-not that there will be jobs for them in anything but farming.
  414. Joe V from Canada writes: Lance M from Canada writes: Most of our brain drain will return as the US economy collapses under debt and inflation.

    Don't count on it. There is better job security and respect for science in China and Europe. The pay is better in Europe, both in purchasing power and at current exchange rates. The pay in China is much better in terms of purchasing power, although not yet better at current exchange rates. To put it into perspective: I have heard stories of junior scientists in China who are able to afford live-in nannies and maids. I guess the Chinese realize that scientists are more valuable in the lab than they are begging for funding or cleaning toilets. Meanwhile in Canada, we expect our scientists to go into debt to complete their education, fight for an ever-shrinking number of research careers, gamble on being able to keep their job during every economic downturn, spend half of their time writing grant proposals begging for money, and pray that their spouses don't leave them. Is it any wonder why the high-tech industry is taking off in China while Canada cements its future as a nation of miners, lumberjacks, and ditch-diggers?
  415. Apu Nahasapeemapetilon from Canada writes: Soul-searching? Does Stephen Harper have a soul? I thought that he sold that in exchange for 2 minority governments and the right, in perpetuity, to steal smiles from little children.
  416. P Martin from St. John's, Canada writes: Scientists are more respected and better paid most places in the world. They get better equipment and better facilities. And they do not have to deal with all the administrative issues and funding hassles. I could go on but the way our government deals with our scientists and researchers is disgraceful.
  417. D K from Canada writes: 'mone ofurbus from Canada writes: Actually Harper made a very smart decision by not pumping more money into very costly r&d with a very low chance of sucess or returns. Let the scientist and his colleagues go to the US. , if and when they find a cure ,we can buy the medicine from them thereby saving billions'

    So rather then develop new products and sell them to the world you would rather buy what others produce. Another brilliant idea from a Walmart greeter.
  418. Billiyon Jaise Kaam from Canada writes: my .02 $

    Most people here don't understand that we just don't know which research is beneficial and which is not. The ONLY real measure of research is that if a problem exists (of any kind) then it needs to be solved. If it will be used to develop any useful product you don't know! But, if it exists it needs solving and thats that. Whoever solves it and whoever realizes its benifit eventually will reap the rewards.

    When Mathematics was called the queen of sciences it was called so because there were not very many applications of mathematics in daily life. When Number theory came to be called the queen of mathematics it was because their were not many applications to it especially in the 'ignoble' trade of engineering as some scientists considered it. Now number theory is the corner stone of ever computer related application.

    When mathematicians of the past applied themselves to the problems related to the prime numbers they didn't think for a second that one day it will be the basis of entire cryptography as we know it today.

    It is in our nature to find answers to questions that exist and who ever does it best and before others and who ever realizes the importance of that will reap the reward.
  419. Gordon Stephens from Victoria, Canada writes: Don't leave, scientists? I am sure that Prime Minister Stephen Harper will make sure that some of Canada's very best creationists get a handle on this whole 'science' thing.
  420. Harold K from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Billiyon Jaise Kaam from Canada writes: my .02 $
    Most people here don't understand that we just don't know which research is beneficial and which is not. The ONLY real measure of research is that if a problem exists (of any kind) then it needs to be solved. If it will be used to develop any useful product you don't know! But, if it exists it needs solving and thats that. Whoever solves it and whoever realizes its benifit eventually will reap the rewards...


    >>>> Basic science is as, or more, essential than applied science, which is often quite specialized and too corporate driven.

    The Harper gov't cuts to basic science research is a tragedy for our country; talk about penny-wise and pound-foolish! Short-sighted nonsense.

  421. Harold K from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Lance M from Canada writes: Most of our brain drain will return as the US economy collapses under debt and inflation.

    Yet another prespective from the Walmart greeter crowd...
  422. Harold K from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Joe V from Canada writes: There is better job security and respect for science in China and Europe. The pay is better in Europe, both in purchasing power and at current exchange rates. The pay in China is much better in terms of purchasing power, although not yet better at current exchange rates. To put it into perspective: I have heard stories of junior scientists in China who are able to afford live-in nannies and maids. I guess the Chinese realize that scientists are more valuable in the lab than they are begging for funding or cleaning toilets.

    >>>> First 'I heard' is hardly a solid basis for any conclusion, Joe. Second, in China 'live-in maids' are paid pennies per hour...

    Get a grip over knee-jerk Canada bashing.

  423. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: The Black Stallion Johnson Aziga infected white women. Seems fitting.
    But who is infecting all these gay males?
    Should they not also be charged with a crime?
    Why the double standard?
  424. Shaun Towens from Seattle, United States writes: I guess that's what happens when you put an MP who doesn't believe in evolution in charge of science funding.

    Here's a good analogy:

    Bush is to Harper as Harper is to Obama. Canadians made fun of the US while Bush was in power (and rightly so), but now the tables have turned and Canada is the one with the idiot at the reigns.
  425. Nate Dawg from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Typical G&M bias. Check out this bit and then continue to blame everything in the world on Harper.
  426. Fred, GayandRight from Ottawa, exposes all these Cnd-gay-AIDS lunacy, hoaxes, shake down taxpayers from Toronto, Canada writes:
    http://gayandright.blogspot.com/2009/05/gays-try-to-take-human-rights-to-absurd.html

    Monday, May 04, 2009

    Gays try to take Human Rights to an absurd level ....

    I'll be following this case closely - unfortunately, I can see the Canadian Human Rights Commission falling for this one, hook, line and sinker...

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/04/terry-o-neill-a-new-wing-for-canada-s-human-rights-neverland.aspx

    The complainants assert, in part, that: The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 20 years less than the average Canadian man; GLB people commit suicide at rates ranging from twice as often to almost 14 times more than the general population; GLBs have smoking rates ranging from 1.3 to three times higher than average; GLBs become alcoholics at a rate 1.4 to seven times higher than the general population; GLBs use illicit drugs at a rate from 1.6 to 19 times higher than other Canadians; GLBs experience depression at rates ranging from 1.8 to three times higher than average; gay men comprise 76% of AIDS cases and 45% of all new HIV infections; GLB populations are at a higher risk of lung and liver cancer; gay and bisexual men suffer a higher rate of anal cancer than heterosexual men; lesbians report a higher rate of breast cancer; and GLBs experience verbal and physical abuse at a greater rate than most Canadians.

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    Read the whole article to see how crazy this complaint is. But, let me comment on one statistic above. They say that gay men comprise 76% of AIDs cases - that may well be right, but look at the absolute numbers. In 2007, there were only 257 cases of AIDs in Canada, and the number is still going down. In the first half of 2008, there were only 108 cases. If you don't believe me, then check out the official data yourself.

    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/aids-sida/publication/survreport/2008/pdf/survrep0608.pdf
  427. '... spend all our health $$$ on homosexuals regardless what they do to destroy themselves ...' from Toronto, Canada writes: From the net:"... Liberals want all Canadians to participate in "Russian roulette" with transplants of organs taken from dead homosexuals
    Homosexual magazine XTRA reports that:

    Liberals want to sacrifice health of organ recipients in Canada in exchange for political donations from gay community..

    Here you have it folks: we have to spend all our health care budget on making sure that homosexuals remain healthy regardless of what they do to destroy themselves because Liberals want to use organs taken from dead homosexuals for transplants that any of us could potentially receive.

    Russian roulette - Canadian style:
    when you are involved in a car accident and you are taken to a nearest hospital and get a blood transfusion or a new kidney you can get really lucky and you will also get a Hepatitis BE or C as a bonus courtesy of Liberal Party of Canada.

    http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Liberalspassresolutiontoendgayorgandonorban-6676.aspx

    Liberals pass resolution to end gay organ donor ban

    FEDERAL POLITICS / Gay Toronto MP Rob Oliphant wants to see new party policy put into legislation

    Dale Smith / National / Monday, May 04, 2009
  428. Who is 'bobby dy from Canada' actually? from Toronto, Canada writes: Reaction from the net re:

    'bobby dy from Canada, 04/05/09 at 6:03 PM'

    =====

    '
    Michael J Hendzel, Ph.D. homosexual who wastes Canadian taxpayer money by conducting pseudo-scientific 'basic' research, and writes incomprehensible BS that can be read at:

    http://www.graduate-studies-in-cancer-research.org/Hendzellab.html

    firmly belives that BS baffles brains.

    So much so that he writes on G&M Comments Blog using moniker bobby dy from Canada.

    I never heard that homosexuals become a majority in Canada until I read this:

    bobby dy from Canada writes:

    George Lawrence, what is your definition of 'alot'? The CIHR budget was supposed to be $1 billion/yr as of 4 years ago. That was to keep us competitive with the rest of the world......

    The best solution is simply to change government. We can get better policy for the same dollars with the LPC and the sooner this government goes, the less damage there will be to repair.

    That point is particularly true for social policy where this government has advanced the will of a small minority of Canadians.

    Posted 04/05/09 at 6:03 PM

    '
  429. little bowpeep from The Neo-cons 100 year science inniative, Canada writes: Harper's science team ends with a bucket of water and a bundle of wood. OH, and a single book of answers.
  430. hangin right from Van, Canada writes: And the Loser award goes to ....
    The Harper government for obvious reasons.
    Harper = Idiot.
  431. Mike Lord from Vancouver, Canada writes: It's clear that Mr. Harper discriminates against those areas where his fundamentalist beliefs and bigotry drive his decisions. Mr. Harper has no clue about the significance and contribution Canadian science makes to AIDS research, nor does he personally care. We want a leader that will speak for and support all Canadians, not just the inner circle of friends and like-believers. Canadians are finally seeing how weak Mr. Harper's decisions are, and it is obvious that this will be reflected in the next election. Adios Stevee!
  432. optimus prime from Canada writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes:

    "'Scientists and other intellectuals don't vote CONservative......"

    Well, that is a ridiculous (and enduring, it seems) myth. Some scientists vote conservative, liberal, NDP, Rhino... just like any other profession.

    And by the way, this particular scientist has been in negotiation with FLA for about 3 years, so this is not a reaction to Harper's budget. And he himself stated that his funding was not affected by this budget. Scientists move from Canada to the US all the time, and have been doing so for decades. I used to work in a lab that lost 2 to NIDA, and several to drug companies. The money (both personal salary and operating funds) is just way bigger, and always has been. We also have no pharmaceutical industry to speak of, and the brain drain to New Jersey alone is huge.
  433. Alex Yaxmos from Canada writes: So what, Canada doesn't need to compete to get the best researchcers. Anything the rest of the world learns is shared with us. So we are not leaders, I think we gave up trying to be leaders for a while now. Besides, is AIDS really a big problem in Canada? With Harper's new plan, we'll have the best equipped research labs in the world.

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