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  1. J L from Canada writes: At the rate that they're making progress on it, there is no way that Windows 7 will arrive on store shelves only in time for Christmas. Consider the difference in quality between the beta build 7000 and the RC build 7100. Three months elapsed between those builds and the improvements in stability and performance are very noticeable. There is no way that it'll take the same amount of time, or more, to go from RC to RTM give that Windows 7 is almost ready for release today. Everything points to an RTM sometime in July or August so as to make Windows 7 available in time for back-to-school season, let alone Christmas, given the couple months after RTM that it takes to distribute millions of copies worldwide.

    In this recession, you better believe that both Microsoft and the OEM's are banking on a new Windows version to boost sales, and they'd rather take advantage of 2 prime computer selling seasons than just one.

    Even though the RC isn't "officially" out yet, as far as I'm concerned, if it's on bittorrent, then it's out.
  2. Ziad Fazel from Calgary, Canada writes: Microsoft Product Management will botch this again, as they have before.

    The Beta and RC downloads have been the unrestricted Ultimate version. When offered for sale, all options will be lesser with bewildering trade-offs, each more expensive than their Vista or XP equivalents.

    Underneath it all, it is still Vista, with some interface tune-ups, and product management complications to take more money from users.

    This "XP Mode" is puzzling. A separate download? How much will that cost, and to which more expensive versions of Windows 7 will it be limited?

    This separate download will take more space, bog up the registry more, and introduce new security vulnerabilities. Really late in the Beta cycle to be introducing this.

    Ah yes, the "the good old days" of Windows XP.
  3. A Mitchell from Canada writes: I tend to agree that we will see this on shelves and packaged by the end of summer. 7100 is far better than XP was when it was initially introduced, let along Vista's embarassing launch. I think MS finally figured it out. Too bad they didn't learn their lessons from the Windows ME days only to repeat the same blunders with Vista. This time it will be different.
  4. Ziad Fazel from Calgary, Canada writes: Microsoft shills talking about how great this RC Build 7100 is, when it has been out for less than a day, and Microsoft's download site has had problems.

    http://www.nytimes.com/external/idg/2009/05/01/01idg-windows-7-could-launch-as-early-as-august-12208.html

    Other newspapers are better about gauging the timing, and not as vulnerable to being manipulated for PR.
  5. Biker Pete from Hamilton, Canada writes: Ubuntu 9.04 is already out, why bother with MS'd the boat?
  6. Tee Kay from Vancouver, Canada writes: Ubuntu.. that was funny. Back to reality, I've been working with Windows 7 and it has the new features that will create sales.

    Application compatibility is there now as well.

    7 is to Vista as XP was to 2000. Expect to see W7 on your corporate desktop in 2 years or less.
  7. Craig Cooper from Toronto, writes: I won't be buying Windows 7 simply because Vista works great for me.
  8. Omnibot 2000 from Toronto, Canada writes: Can't wait to hear how it runs on a Mac under parallels!
  9. J L from Canada writes: I probably won't buy 7 either because chances are it'll have the same activation mechanism as Vista, that is, computers with Vista pre-installed will be able to have 7 activated in the same way as Vista. This will most definitely not be changed as 95% of people have no idea what I'm talking about and as such will not aim to exploit it.

    Ziad, I downloaded the RC off bittorrent because it's more convenient than Microsoft's own site. I'm on a computer for a lot of my waking hours so yes, I can gauge the improvements even if it's only been out for a couple days. But I guess not matter how great 7 turns out to be, there will always be Mac users adamant about Microsoft choking in the 11th hour and turning out a dud. This won't happen again because Microsoft knows what's truly at stake, especially in this economy, specifically the likelihood that more people Like Ziad will buy into the half-truths of those annoying Mac guy - PC guy commercials.

    For those of us who actually like Vista, the question of upgrading to 7 won't be as much "why?" as "why not?" There is always room for improvement and 7 scratches my itch better than Vista ever could.
  10. Peter vliegende hollander from Calgary Foothills, Canada writes: What is the point? Ubuntu 10.8 is out and running just fine on my MAC mini!!dual boot. NT 7 is unfortunately the end result of the promise on NT3...Sounds like Chrysler???
  11. Gawd Knows from Canada writes: If Vista is so GREAT, (and it must be, because MS Spent hundreds of Millions developing it), why on Earth did MS, a. stop making it? and b. replacing it?,,,, and why did MS not call it by its real name VISTA 2? Doesn't take much imagination to figure that out. MS had to name it by the last OS that worked properly on a PC, hence W-7.
    MS is still trying to catch up to the Mac OS-10 operating system. And that my friends is why Apple computer sales are doing so well. They work!, and the Macs can now run all and any pc program, just as if it was a pc, and run the Apple programs as well, and side by side on the screen. Sooo, files can be dragged from one system to the other with no problems. Why would anyone want to buy a pc, and be stuck with Microsoft with no way to switch?
  12. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Gawd Knows from Canada writes: Why would anyone want to buy a pc, and be stuck with Microsoft with no way to switch?

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    Not mch of a computer wiz are you. Not that I expected it from a Mac cheerleader. You can run unix/linux on a PC, you can dual boot, many of us do.
  13. Victor Skovorodnikov from Surrey, Canada writes: When I look at at Windows 7 screenshots, I can't help but think SuSe Linux. Am I the only one getting this impression?

    Side note: I think MS is dying. I recently switched to Mac and loving it! I don't even see the need to use Linux anymore as Mac OS X Leopard I have has nearly all Unix commands I need to do the work. If not, I just SSH to my Linux machine and go from there. The only reason I need Windows is to run tests of applications I develop because many of our users are still using Windows. I wonder how long this will last though.
  14. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Victor Skovorodnikov from Surrey, Canada writes:
    Side note: I think MS is dying.

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    Yeah Mac users have been saying this for thirty years, who knows one day they may actually have a reasonable market share. But here in the real world...
  15. Chad Remmel from Canada writes: Definitely waiting for W7, as I am not adopting Vista. The sooner Windows 7 is out the better. Many are wiating for Windows 7. There is pent up demand.
  16. Peter Kells from Bytown, Canada writes: Ho...hum - another insecure edition bloatware from the brilliant minds at MS. Essentially MS is a marketing company who have built their market share on stealing ideas from others (this goes back to the earliest days of MS-DOS) and leveraging their market share to bully and threaten PC makers to use their products. Their initial rise to fame was because IBM needed a disk operating system in a hurry and for better or worse started dealing with Bill Gates. Little did they know that once Gates had leveraged this alliance he would turn round to bite the hand that created him.

    Now we are faced with this desperate behemoth that is short on ethics but long on greed trying to thrust yet another "improved" operating system on us. It absolutely amazes me thaqt these guys can get away with this however if the example of the behaviour of Wall Street tycoons over the last decade is any example, I should not be surprized.
  17. HeyBoppaRebop SheBop from Canada writes: I hope Microsoft does all right with it, but I won't get W-7. Well, unless I get a new computer with it pre-installed. I noticed that they aren't getting many takers on the recent Internet Explorer 8 release. They bundled it into the routine update process (that yellow shield with the exclamation mark). I just thought it was an update, not a whole new browser with a different layout and bells and whistles I don't need, don't understand and will never use. Fortunately, the support site provides a FIX to uninstall it and get back to IE 7.

    Thing is, they do these new releases for the techies and the geeks, and maybe teens like change for the sake of change, but to me and most general users they're just a nuisance.

    And new stuff rarely works well with your existing software, and also has security loopholes. Maybe in a couple of years when W-7 comes with Service Pack 2 or 3 I might investigate it.
  18. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: HeyBoppaRebop SheBop , I've been running IE 8 on this computer and still on 7 on others. There's plenty of advancements in it. Do you have a problem with Firefox coming out with new releases as well?
  19. Tee Kay from Vancouver, Canada writes: HeyBoppaRebop SheBop,
    You should install IE8. It follows open web standards much better than IE7.. it's actually a much better browser. Or, use Firefox.

    For the Mac fanboys: Macs are fine if you want to surf the internet or draw pictures... but try to get a Mac to talk to a database server, or try to develop code, or try to run productivity apps that grown-ups use at work. OR. try supporting them in your enterprise.

    Macs are fine for the home, but they don't do business.
  20. Dave Leggit from Montreal, Canada, Canada writes: Now all the people who kept old computers to run XP will have no choice but to upgrade their hardware and guess who'll they'll blame for it? Yup, the easy target, M$. eheh
  21. HeyBoppaRebop SheBop from Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: HeyBoppaRebop SheBop , I've been running IE 8 on this computer and still on 7 on others. There's plenty of advancements in it. Do you have a problem with Firefox coming out with new releases as well?

    Tee Kay from Vancouver, Canada writes: HeyBoppaRebop SheBop,
    You should install IE8. It follows open web standards much better than IE7.. it's actually a much better browser. Or, use Firefox.
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    See, I was right when I said that only tech geeks with too much time on their hands are madly updating everything in sight and toying with the new bells and whistles. Do you upgrade your microwave every two weeks too?

    A computer is like a stove. If it does the job, why become a slave to it, tinkering and upgrading and running around comparing stoves. My computer does the job. Get a life.
  22. Hee Hoo Sai from Canada writes: ... into outer space where it will eventually be discovered by an alien race who will conclude that there is no intelligent life where it came from.
  23. Mike Sun from Canada writes: Forget Ubunttou and Linux. Communism has never worked.
  24. robert o from Canada writes: I'll wait for windows 7 service pack 2 before upgrading. Maybe some time in 2011 or 2012.

    why waist time on software when you know that it will have bugs and errors.
  25. Rob L from Vancouver, Canada writes: Windows 7 is what vista should have been. It's beyond me why anyone would shell out more $$ to feed the M$ money pit so they get the "privilege" of weeks of frustration just to get all their existing programs/hardware working again under the new OS. What new function does Windows 7 add anyways? It's just a Vista upgrade.
  26. Victor Skovorodnikov from Surrey, Canada writes: MS has had a huge monopoly on OS and some people are still bind themselves to Windows. It's understandable, old habits die hard and we are creatures of habit. In our office we have Windows and, sadly, there are usually problems like - machines run too slowly because of spam, malware, and all that crap that Windows usually gets, not to mention viruses that target Windows systems more often than any other platform.

    Even if something is more inferior and harder to use but you have used it for a long time, you will still defend it because you are used to using it and admitting that there is a better more superior platform would imply admitting a poor decision.

    Macs are superior to windows. Security is not the only reason. There is nothing that Mac's can't do. When I got mac for developing apps for iPhone in Objective C, I quickly found that you can do low-level programming in Mac (C, C , assembler programming) much easier than in Windows. X-Code is a great IDE that can give you all that and more that you probably will never work with.

    Mac is much more than just a toy. The key advantage of mac is that it makes a computer "function" like a toy and any serious programmer would know that making software user-friendly takes a heck of a lot more ingenuity and skill than not. It takes more programming skill to make one button do with 1 click than 5 button clicks would.

    All development tools exist for Mac just as for any other platform with added bonus that Mac runs faster and is more secure and doesn't bother you with annoying popups. You can customize mac any way you wish for your work, I have and I love it. It's just for Windows users old habits die hard.

  27. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: HeyBoppaRebop SheBop from Canada writes:

    See, I was right when I said that only tech geeks with too much time on their hands are madly updating everything in sight and toying with the new bells and whistles. Do you upgrade your microwave every two weeks too?

    A computer is like a stove. If it does the job, why become a slave to it, tinkering and upgrading and running around comparing stoves. My computer does the job. Get a life.

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    Actually the only thing you were right about, is your admission in your other post that you didn't understand the differences. It's not surprising that you think you can compare your computer to a microwave or a stove.
  28. Ziad Fazel from Calgary, Canada writes: Tee Kay from Vancouver, Canada writes: For the Mac fanboys: Macs are fine if you want to surf the internet or draw pictures... but try to get a Mac to talk to a database server, or try to develop code, or try to run productivity apps that grown-ups use at work. OR. try supporting them in your enterprise. Macs are fine for the home, but they don't do business.

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    I support Macs on Windows Servers, and Windows on Mac Servers, in several businesses. Here's an entry-level response to your confusion:

    http://www.apple.com/getamac/faq/

    Here's a recent survey of C-level IT management, from among many, showing their favourable adoption of Macs:

    http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/12/moregoodnews.html

    Here are some of the development tools supplied with the OS:

    http://developer.apple.com/technology/features.html

    And here is one of many examples of large, complex networks that use Macs.

    http://www.apple.com/business/profiles/startribune/

    Just because YOU do not know how to integrate Open Directory and Active Directory, or code with a professional IDE, or are ignorant to the Apple software lineup... that does not mean Apple does not have it.
  29. Allan Martel from Canada writes: When I read these posts I am reminded of the training exercise where an arbitrary but contraversial issue is selected (examples include abortion, euthenasia, etc) and people are asked to divide themselves into two camps - pros and cons.

    In the next part of the exercise folks from either camp make one brief argument in favour of their position. After their point is made, all participants are asked to move to the speaker's camp if they believe his point had merit. They are not asked to believe in his perspective, only to move if his individual point had merit.

    There is almost never any movement in this exercise suggesting intolerance and closed minds everywhere.

    This string of posts is yet another example with MS and Mac fans dueling to the death like Sens and Leafs fans. One point of clarity, I am not accusing Mac of being as bad as the Leafs, nor MS of being as great as the Sens. (This is all about potential operating systems isn't it?)
  30. Tee Kay from Vancouver, Canada writes: Ziad Fazel, you tell me why my customers should spend MORE money on Mac hardware, MORE on the OS, then dump a bunch of money on a hodge-podge of half-assed infrastructure bits just to do what Windows does out of the box?

    Try finding an software deployment tool that updates Macs.. or a toolset for packaging application installers, or helpdesk or desktop support staff that know how to use Macs. Yes, they all may exist, but at what cost?

    How do I keep a uniform security model across my enterprise? GPOs, login scripts, patching.. all this will have to be duplicated when I introduce a new OS.

    We NEED Windows in the enterprise because most productivity software requires it. We don't NEED Macs. What would you choose if you were controlling the budget for an IT department?

    Windows is actually incredibly powerful, and when supported correctly, works remarkably well. As I said before, if you're a home user, then certainly consider a Mac. I'd buy one for my grandma but I certainly wouldn't suggest any enterprise introduce them to their environment.
  31. Hail to the Conservatives ! from Canada writes: I would just like to quickly add that I am one of those who have absolutely no problem, whatsoever, with Vista. Once you get use to the new GUI it is easy, and actually better, than XP.

    Nothing makes me laugh more than when someone decides to talk about how crappy Vista is. Vista is fine, it is the user that is the problem. When people talk about how crappy Vista is it seems as thought they fancy themselves as experts, when by the simple fact that they think it is bad, they really are not.

    Then again, I am certified and do this for a living.
  32. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: So once again, that angry-uncle poster "Norm Jon from Petawawa" is pounding away at the keyboard. along with gameboy "Tee Kay from Vancouver". Then "Mike Sun", who doesn't know how to spell, has chimed in about Linux and communism.

    Children first. Mike, if we are a democracy and China is communist, perhaps you haven't noticed that the Chinese economy is working a lot better than ours, and that the only merchandise you can buy in Canadian Tire these days is made in China. Linux is a powerful OS for intelligent users, which is to say, people who use computers as a tool to get a job done.

    Personally, I liked the comments comparing computers and stoves, and about hard-core geeks with too much time on their hands needing to get a life.

    Returning to the article, let's talk needs and Windows 7. A healthy business is about meeting needs, and better, needs no one else has met. Most people who needed a computer have already got one, and have long since been able to do what they wanted/needed to do. They don't want to waste time with annoying features that get in their way, don't want to be forced to buy new software, don't want to be stuck for drivers, and then they don't want their machines to be tied up downloading updates and service packs because Microsoft screwed up yet again.

    Basically, Microsoft has run out of unmet needs, and is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Except for the overly talkative geeks who want to look really tuned-in to Microsoft, there is no need to buy or even waste time thinking about Windows 7.

    So have a nice day walking your dog, listening to the birds, or marvelling at the signs of spring.
  33. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: So once again, that angry-uncle poster "Norm Jon from Petawawa" is pounding away at the keyboard. along with gameboy "Tee Kay from Vancouver". Then "Mike Sun", who doesn't know how to spell, has chimed in about Linux and communism.

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    Since you mentioned my name, perhaps you can tell me what issue you had with my posts? I don't see anything in your post, other than to insult me, that has anything to do with what I said.

    My defence of IE 8 is simply that, it has many improvements over IE 7. I don't care if folks don't upgrade their software, but I do recommend it when it comes to the software they use to access the web. There are a number of security features built in and compatability issues that have been addressed. It's not the toys included that make the difference, it's what you can't see.

    If it's about my comment about a Mac user saying MS id dying, well I don't see anything wrong with wht I said. MS isn't dying in any way shape or form, it's certainly not threatened by MAcs.

    If you are complaining about my comment to the user praising Macs because he doesn't want to be tied to a PC and MS. It's obvious to anyone except the very stupid that PCs run linux quite well and always have.

    So please, how about telling me what your fracking issue is with my posts?
  34. J L from Canada writes: I love how the same arguments against Windows 7 are being recycled from when Vista was released. It's all fine and good if your current system does all you need it to do, but when will you hold-outs finally suck it up and move onto the modern software era? When Windows 9 comes out? If you think Microsoft won't survive that long, well at least a rich fantasy life is healthy for the imagination.

    Computer technology has come a long way since Windows XP was released. I bet Windows 95 would run super fast on your Core 2 Duo rig. What's that? No USB support? Bummer. You have to wake up to the fact that the computer on your desk is more complex than the car in your garage, let alone a microwave.

    I wonder what is the average age of the posters who are against Windows 7, or just ambivalent to it?
  35. Hail to the Conservatives ! from Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa, - That is pretty funny. Not only can he not spell, but his grammar is atrocious.

    Nothing like tuning in to the G&M for a reminder about the masses.
  36. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: J L from Canada writes:
    I wonder what is the average age of the posters who are against Windows 7, or just ambivalent to it?

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    I doubt age plays any factor in the postings. It's a matter of their computer knowledge, the average computer user knows very little about the system they operate beyond turning it on and off and how to run a particular program.

    Until something doesn't work as it once did they don't really notice. At that point they usually blame the operating system, which rarely is at fault.

    There's nothing wrong with running older OSs, but the older the OS, the less it can handle newer technologies and in many cases can't run new hardware or software. I run a Mac, and 3 PCs at home, 2 with XP and 1 with Ubuntu, haven't yet had a need for Vista. I'll probably update to win 9 when I get my next computer. Not that I think there is anything wrong with Vista, just don't need it yet.
  37. m y from Canada writes: microsoft just has too much money..if it wasn't for that, it would go bankrupt.

    get on with it, geez, make a product that's 99% sound and release it.

    actually, i am not going to buy windows 7, it should be given out free and unless it is free, forget it.

    the future is the cloud and beyond....the security issues are real but they're also bit overstated.
  38. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: m y from Canada writes: microsoft just has too much money..if it wasn't for that, it would go bankrupt.

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    Ummm duh! You're a Mac user, right?
  39. Fake Name from Canada writes: Hahaha, who buys someone a new Windows OS for Christmas? That's like the equivalent of getting someone a dead, wilted rose for valentine's day - it's a "hate-gift".

    Personally, I've going to wait AT LEAST four months (but probably six months to a year), to upgrade. Let some other poor trendy saps run afoul of the security problems that any new release is going to have, and wait for MS to develop the resulting patches.
  40. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Fake Name from Canada writes: Hahaha, who buys someone a new Windows OS for Christmas? That's like the equivalent of getting someone a dead, wilted rose for valentine's day - it's a "hate-gift".

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    Duh, people buy computers for Christmas, the computers will have the OS on them.
  41. Common Sense from Canada writes: I love Win 7!

    Looks great, a little UI improvement over Vista, as well as a bit smaller of a memory footprint than vista.

    Honestly...I like Vista, so really a few improvements are pure gravy.

    I'll be buying it for every PC I own. I've tested it on a wide range of hardware now, and I'm quite happy with the results.

    That and the ways in which it'll be interfacing with the server-side operations...with server 2008 r2(which is still in beta)...well...I love the direction M$ is going.
  42. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa,

    After returning from a dog obedience match on a beautiful day, I see you've pounded off four more posts, or a total of eight on this story so far.

    Windows 7 is just another operating system from the General Motors of computing, and about as exciting as driving a Buick.

    Windows is for grandmothers in Iowa who want to share pics of their grandchildren and poodles, for grandchildren to look smart at school and impress teachers, and for the few people who still think that carrying the latest gadget with Windows logos means that someone values them.

    No one really asked Microsoft to come up with Windows 7, and so its thousands of people are just spinning their wheels, trying to justify themselves, and praying for some big new paradigm they can hook onto. This is saturation.
  43. Read Acted from Canada writes: Good luck with that.
  44. Ziad Fazel from Calgary, Canada writes: Tee Kay from Vancouver, Canada writes: Ziad Fazel, you tell me why my customers should spend MORE money on Mac hardware, MORE on the OS, then dump a bunch of money on a hodge-podge of half-assed infrastructure bits just to do what Windows does out of the box?

    Since the OS is included with Mac hardware, you have proven you do not know what you are talking about.

    Try finding an software deployment tool that updates Macs.. or a toolset for packaging application installers, or helpdesk or desktop support staff that know how to use Macs. Yes, they all may exist, but at what cost?

    http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/

    If you looked at the link I provided earlier with any knowledge, you would see the application package installer, included with the OS

    http://developer.apple.com/technology/features.html

    How do I keep a uniform security model across my enterprise? GPOs, login scripts, patching.. all this will have to be duplicated when I introduce a new OS

    Read, learn. Stay up to date for your clients.

    We NEED Windows in the enterprise because most productivity software requires it. We don't NEED Macs. What would you choose if you were controlling the budget for an IT department?

    I would do a total cost-benefit, including Windows, Macs and Linux, based on the needs of the enterprise.

    And I would never hire you. Your clients are paying for your ignorance and closed mind; mine benefit from my knowledge and open mind.
  45. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa,

    After returning from a dog obedience match on a beautiful day, I see you've pounded off four more posts, or a total of eight on this story so far.

    Windows 7 is just another operating system from the General Motors of computing, and about as exciting as driving a Buick... Blah Blah Blah.

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    You can count my posts, I'm impressed. Sadly though you don't read them as well. You apparently haven't noticed that I haven't said much at all in favour or against windows 7. The recent posts you are talking about weren't about Windows 7 at all. In fact I haven't said it's a great OS or a bad OS in any of my posts.

    You mention that no one asked for a new Windows, sorry but you're wrong there. As computer technology advances and new hardware becomes available, OS's are also updated. It happens with Mac OS, and even the flvours of linux. Manufacturers, consumers, and software writers all want improvements and updated OS's for better productivity and to get the most out of the personal computer.

    It has nothing to do with ease of use and everything to do with changing technology. If you think I am some kind of Microsoft fanboy, you thought wrong. As I pointed out I have a Mac and run XP and Ubuntu on my PCs, they all have their place and all have both positive and negative attributes.

    You on the other hand don't seem to understand very much about computers and their potential. But then I wouldn't expect that from someone that simply counts posts but doesn't read them.
  46. Brian Van Ezel from Canada writes: Please Please be faster than Vista!!!!
  47. C C from Canada writes: Go get a key from M$ and then torrent the RC or grab it Tuesday. It'll be good till June 2010.

    Not anywhere near Linux but the same price for a bit ;).
  48. C C from Canada writes: A lot of geek cred conflict here. I'll help a bit ;).

    If you bought any OS you have no cred. You are too dumb to wing yer own computing needs.

    OS X is FreeBSD ... oh lets say 6.4 with a Mach interpreter and Darwin for a window manager. If you paid Apple for it, well I guess Steve is an insane lay.

    Win7 whatever. This is NT 6. They still have not transitioned well from 3.51. Since it all went into user space in 4.0, so graphics could work better it's been a cauldron of fail. I left after the 4.0 debacle.

    Ubuntu, Debian really or any Linux will provide a solid OS for nothing. The Linux kernel is walking away from all others simply because the development team ismuch larger and smarter than anyone else's.
  49. Ken from calgary from Canada writes: I got tired of the piece of Cr$p OS call vista and bought a Mac. I love it...I also have four other PC running XP, but will be buy another MAC and slowly getting rid of my PCs
  50. J S from Canada writes: A holiday launch which means the first patch to fix bugs will be in January.
  51. Mikey Dee from Canada writes: MS is first class marketing with a third class product....Just tired of this constant upgrade game that is only purpose is to fill the pockets of MS. I am almost ready to switch the first of three computers over to Linex...one at a time then I'll bid MS adue
  52. Robin S from TO, Canada writes: Mac OS, Linux and Windows each have their pros and cons, and are obviously made for different types of people. Why does everybody have to pick one of them and whine incessantly about the others? That argument is so old, can't we finally just accept that the OS we hate wouldn't have survived all these years if it didn't have some value?
  53. Bob Smith from NYC, United States writes: I've owned and worked extensively with both Vista, XP, and Apple, and I can honestly say that Windows has Apple beat hands down in all areas. Apple might be easier to learn initially, but its basically a dumbed down version of an operating system and you can do very little with it, and the compatibility errors are terrible, nothing works with an Apple. I haven't had any major problems with Vista, and have only been frustrated with my mac. I wouldn't buy another mac, its just too simple, too stupid, and way too many issues.
  54. Huey Freeman from Mississauga, Canada writes: I have been beta testing Windows 7 and boy it is a good OS and much cleaner and faster than Vista. A lot of the bloating code written for Vista has been streamlined and optimized and I think it will have a better reception than the Vista for the business community. I love when these articles come out every different person starts talking about every alternative OS for Mac OS to Ubuntu. Sorry folks even thou Microsoft has bungled the Vista release it is still 94% of the market and until that changes Windows will still be the default OS in the business market. Vista as predicted in this generations Windows Me.
  55. double bogey from Toronto, Canada writes: Don't care what people use. I don't own stock in MS or Apple. But it seems to me PC users a very angry.
  56. Victor Skovorodnikov from Surrey, Canada writes: double bogey from Toronto, Canada writes: But it seems to me PC users a very angry.
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    Good observation! I myself am a software developer working almost 10/h days. Right after I got my Mac and configured it for my work, life became a little less stressful. It takes a bit of initial investment, but the rewards are awesome. Getting a mac was one of the best purchases I did (not that I had a choice since I need it for iPhone development). Speed, security, it's like having Linux on steroids and if I need Windows (which doesn't happen very often :-)) I just RDC to our Windows machine. It's good to see I can eliminate stress elements that I am in control of with the help of my Mac :-)
  57. William Latanville from Canada writes: " Mikey Dee from Canada writes: MS is first class marketing with a third class product....Just tired of this constant upgrade game that is only purpose is to fill the pockets of MS."

    So how come Apple sells an upgrade to their OS every two years? An upgrade that may include some nice new features, but is basically about more bloat?
    And how come you have to keep upgrading? Because Apple could give a flying fig about legacy compatibility: When I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard, simple apps like my code editor (SKEdit) simply stopped working. It required the developer to re-author the app before it could run.
    In the digital audio realm (software synthesizers, audio editing and mixing applications), the results were even more disastrous, with some programs requiring months to fix.
    Applications written for version 10.3 (just four or five years old now) are no longer supported by Apple.
    Applications written for their G5 machines, under MAC OS 10.4, just three-and-a-half years old, are barely supported by Apple.
    But somehow the press takes MS to task for program incompatibilities with a completely new OS (VISTA), whereas Mac OS X version five (which, for the version-on-version changes over the years really should be called Mac OS XIII or XIV - except that doesn't play as well in the marketing materials, does it?), an "upgrade" is allowed to completely break applications with nary a remark.
    Look, we all like to see David bean Goliath...but Apple is a bigger $$$ company than GM fergawdsakes...
  58. Corey Canadian from Canada writes: OK. Here’s my 2 cents… I’ve used Windows exclusively up until March 2007 when I bought a new Intel desktop iMac for my wife. The only hands-on experience that I had with Apple computers up to that point was the Apple II back in the 80’s. However, I bought a video iPod in 2006 and was impressed enough with it that I decided to buy her a Mac. The fact that my wife is a teacher who uses them constantly for work also helped with the decision. That was one of the best purchases I could have made. Up until then, I was spending a lot of time maintaining her computer (managing updates, Defragmentation, dealing with spyware and many an unwanted virus). “Babe, the stupid computer is doing it again!” was a constant refrain. Since we purchased our Intel iMac, life has been good. It has not crashed once and the odd small issue (I counted 3 in total in two years) was fixed after spending about ˝ hour of searching online for a solution. My only regret is that I bought a high-end Windows system about 2 weeks before we bought the Mac, otherwise we would be a two-Mac household right now. The bottom line is this: If you’re a geek, and you love to spend your time messing around with computers, then Windows is for you. However, the truth is, 99% of people do not enjoy it. In fact, the last thing they want to do is spend time doing boring maintenance on their machines. They view computers as a tool and they just want them to work reliably so that they can get done what they need to do and go do something else. In other words, they have a life. To the Mac Fan Haters out there (you know who you are), spend 6 months using a Mac (with an XP virtual machine if you want, for the odd thing you “may” need Windows for) and then feel free to criticize Mac’s and their converts. Until then, you’re really not entitled to an opinion on the subject. That’s my 2 cents anyway. Let the uber-geeky flame war begin!!! ;)
  59. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa,

    Sorry, but no one in the real world needed or wanted Windows 7.
    "Please, oh, please, Microsoft, we want to waste more time and spend more money! And don't forget those updates and service packs!" ...Sure thing.

    Without Windows 7, subterranean geeks and people like you who fix other people's computers would run out of things to talk about. And having touted Microsoft stock in posting to another article ("Microsoft suffers as health of the personal computer market falters"), don't be a sneaky little MS undercover-fanboy.

    For Microsoft, it's about trying to force obsolescence in a saturated market. Increasing numbers of people aren't playing, and are holding back, trying Macs, or going open source with Ubuntu and other Linux distros.
  60. Butler Bear from Calgary, Canada writes: Guys, get real. Linux is not going to take control or even make a dent in the desktop. These arguments have existed since Red Hat 5 was released.

    I spent over 10 years administrating a UNIX network..and now work with Windows Small Business Server. It's a robust, affordable and reasonably secure solution for business. Windows has come a long way but angry bitter geeks that live in their moms basement can't get a grip on that

    As for Apple...is it ready for the enterprise? In theory, sure, but in reality it's more suited to home users. BUT..nothing stopping Apple from pursing that path..is there.

    What matters is that it works...
  61. Victor Skovorodnikov from Surrey, Canada writes: Butler Bear from Calgary, Canada writes: Guys, get real. Linux is not going to take control or even make a dent in the desktop.
    -----------------------

    I don't think they intend to. Linux is for geeks and software developers. During my "informal" interview at MDA (they develop apps for Naval Combat simulations for NATO), I was told they all use outdated Linux systems and program in C. I wonder why. It's not what you use, its how you use it.
  62. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes:Sorry, but no one in the real world needed or wanted Windows 7.
    "Please, oh, please, Microsoft, we want to waste more time and spend more money! And don't forget those updates and service packs!" ...Sure thing.

    Without Windows 7, subterranean geeks and people like you who fix other people's computers would run out of things to talk about. And having touted Microsoft stock in posting to another article ("Microsoft suffers as health of the personal computer market falters"), don't be a sneaky little MS undercover-fanboy.

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    As I've said before, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. I've repaired as many Macs per capita as I have PCs running Windows or Linux OSs. the vast majority of the time it has nothing to do with the operating system, it's the loose nut behind the mouse.

    If you really think Mac OSs don't have updates, you've been living in some dream world. Since Mac OS X (OS 10) there have been several updates and whole new versions. Mac just stopped numbering them and gave them cute little names instead. Backward compatibility isn't a concern for them at all, they want you to buy a whole new machine. that's of course because it's their bread and butter, the hardware.

    There's good abnd bad for anything you happen to buy, but you are so wrong when you outright hit Microsoft but leave alternative systems alone. The article on Microsoft faltering, it's clear you never read it. It applies to the hardware market slowing, not software though they are tied. There's just fewer units being sold, has nothing to do with people changing to other systems. The article also pointed out that MS still posted a 2.9 billion dollar profit.

    It's too bad you don't actiually read these articles. Not surprising that you jump to conclusions about what is going on with the entire computer market.
  63. P. Duddle from Canada writes: >> Linux is not going to take control...
    >> Ubuntu.. that was funny...

    Ubuntu 9 Desktop is very good. Just replaced ~110 Microsoft seats at a service center and they love it. Very fast, includes all sofware including Office & Email package, no virus checker and its all FREE!

    CNET Review: "In short, Ubuntu is now as slick and beautiful as Mac OS X or Windows 7"

    http://news.cnet.com/ubuntu-9.04-as-slick-as-windows-7-mac-os-x/
    www.ubuntu.com
  64. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa,

    I've endured Windows as long as you, and perhaps longer, having bought an early version-2 that was an unworkable joke. Poster "Peter Kells from Bytown" was right in his comments about Gates and the predatory Microsoft.

    But the article is about the Windows 7 launch. I questioned whether
    Windows 7 is really needed or wanted, which seemed to drive you and a few other nuts into a religious frenzy,-- one of them comparing Linux and communism.

    The earlier article "Microsoft suffers as health of the personal computer market falters" prompted a number of comments suggesting there was more to the decline than just slowing PC sales.

    Somehow I have the feeling that you'll manage to bring federal politics into this next.
  65. Josh S from Vancouver, Canada writes: >>> Bob Smith from NYC, United States writes: I've owned and worked extensively with both Vista, XP, and Apple, and I can honestly say that Windows has Apple beat hands down in all areas. I haven't had any major problems with Vista, and have only been frustrated with my mac. I wouldn't buy another mac, its just too simple, too stupid, and way too many issues.
    >>>
    How much did M$ pay you to write that?
    Don't you know most Vista users disagree with you on Vista and many switchers don't want to see Windows again?
    They've given up the Windows Struggle; good riddance.

    If M$ was proud of Vista, they would retained the Vista name, instead of picking a lucky number to name their latest OS.
  66. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Richard Keefer from Omemee, oh you don't want to get into a "I was using computers for longer than you" pissng match. You haven't a clue.

    In fact I am in no religious frenzy as you put it, I am not a fan of Microsoft's corporate attitude and I am fully aware of it's predatory marketing schemes. That doesn't mean that I should turn out to be some anti Microsoft nutbar like you. Microsoft deserves plenty of criticism in several areas, but Windows 7 is a pretty decent OS.

    It's amazing that what you get out of the article you mentioned is the nature of the comments. The article itself never said it had anything to do with loss of market share, in fact market share is still excellent. Despite the claims of commentors to that article, Microsoft itself is stable posting a 2.9 billion dollar profit, which was actually mentioned in the article.

    Unfortunately the anti Microsoft crowd jumps on every single story with the same old crap and has for the last 3 decades. Linux is doing this, Macs are number one... but the simple fact is Microsoft is still the leader and will be for the forseeable future.

    I am not against Macs, I like them, but there are a number of areas they fall short on, the same with the various flavours of Linux. Microsoft windows still offers the widest range of hardware and software configurations, that's why it is still the leading operating system. That it happens to be the leading seller is why there are so many complaints about it, the more people using a system the more complaints about it.

    Of course there's the anti Microsoft zealots like yourself who blindly attack anything MS or anyone that dares to suggest it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. It's the same type people that hate anything successful.
  67. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa,

    Clearly you are an obsessive poster who fixes computers.

    Lots of teenagers also fix computers, and do clever things with them for gaming. Because they haven't learned social skills, teenagers can be lacking in humour and prone to turning light banter into personal attacks,-- like you. But teenagers grow up. They learn to put computers into perspective, as appliances to help mostly with office tasks.

    Because Windows targets mass markets, everyone who can point and click can become a "Norm Jom from Petawawa", filling their minds with fluff from the internet, and like you, helpfully offering investment advice on Microsoft. Grandmothers can share pics of their grandchildren and toy dogs, old folks in nursing homes can dribble down their chins onto keyboards with Windows logos, and between combing their My Little Ponies, kids can giggle with each other on-line.

    But let's return to the subject of this column. In this wonderful world of Windows that welcomes even that guy with a philips screwdriver "Norm Jom from Petawawa" as an expert,-- is Windows 7 one windows too many?
  68. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa,

    Clearly you are an obsessive poster who fixes computers.

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    And it's clear you are an obsessive troll, who doesn't even read the posts I have typed.

    BTW the subject of this articles is that a new version of Windows is about to be released. Nothing more, nothing less. Except for trolls like yourself.
  69. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes:
    Instead of a holiday launch of Windows 7, how about an extended holiday from Windows launches?

    ... And from angry-uncle and multi-posting MS communicator-fanboy- tipster "Norm Jom from Petawawa"?

    ==============================

    Woohoo, it works! Sent from a machine running Ubuntu Linux.
  70. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Richard Keefer, have you counted your posts yet? BTW I am posting from a Ubuntu machine as well. had you read my posts you would know that of course.

    My points have nothing to do with loving MS or Windows, everything to do with what is really happening in the personal computer market. it's sad you don't grasp that at all. Guess it's easier to label folks that can actually read or know a bit about computers, as fanboys.

    Not to worry, those of us in the know will be there when you screw up your computer, no matter the brand. We'll even lie to you and blame Microsoft just to make you happy and secure.
  71. Richard Keefer from Omemee, Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa,

    You're a real Chatty Cathy in verbose mode. You need a holiday, and so does Windows.
  72. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Richard Keefer ...
  73. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: Oh my! Reading in the busines section that Apple sales are down too. Stop the presses, Apple must be about to topple, their OS must be trash, they must be losing market share to Microsoft or something...

    What's this, they are considering offering a cheaper product line you say! Oh my!

    Yes, if I want to I can be as obtuse as your average anti-MS poster. Afterall what else could this news about Apple possibly mean? Surely it isn't just an indicator that the entire computer market is down as the article actually says.

    Ooops, I read the actual article and not just the headline, how foolish of me.
  74. Josh S from Vancouver, Canada writes: Windows 7 should have been a free upgrade for those who paid good money for Vista. Instead M$ is hoping to make money providing a fix for unliked Vista.

    Hopefully the lucky number name means something.
  75. HeyBoppaRebop SheBop from Canada writes: Interesting that this has turned into a Mac vs PC debate.

    The schools and maybe governments in the 80s seemed to have deals with Mac, i.e. all the teaching depts had Macs only, but the students were taught how to use PCs because they were the only ones used in the real world.

    My first computer was a Mac clone that I bought to do media work, and the first thing I learned was how to re-install the OS and do OS upgrades. 7.1, 7.2, all the way up to OS 8.0, because new programs would corrupt the hard-drive. Mac wasn't autofixing then. Then Apple upped the licencing price and killed the cloners, and OS 8.1 on up had no tech support. It ticked me off so much, I went over to PC.

    I like PCs a lot, but have been bugged by the occasional virus lately.

    My point, in the 80s PC geeks wore T-shirts "DOS it or toss it!" and retrieved files by typing the filenames. These people today seem to be making marketing decisions at MS. They don't get that 99% of users want a hassle-free computer.

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