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Hate-crime investigator digs deeper into bullying brawl

From Friday's Globe and Mail

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  1. phil rosen from winnipeg, Canada writes: As I understand what was reported - White man bullies Asian kid, White man bully hits Asian kid. Asian kid hits white man bully. Asian kid suspended!
  2. Derek Holtom from Swan River, MB, Canada writes: wait until the human rights tribunals get involved!
  3. Patrick Fennell from Halifax, Canada writes: There is no way that kid should have been suspended. At the very least both boys should have been suspended with the Korean boy getting a lesser punishment. What kind of administration is running that school?
  4. black dog from canada, Canada writes: patrick, to answer your question, it sounds like a bunch of yokels are running the school (although we need more evidence to really know)...
  5. John Stockton from Hamilton, Bermuda writes: Hmm.... let's see what scurries around when the rock is lifted? The principal is busy trying to turn the lights off so the media won't see what really happened. But something good must be happening... those kids who walked out of class must have learned about standing up for what's right somewhere.... perhaps the teachers are getting through to them!
  6. John Galt from Whoville, Canada writes: This story doesn't put the local police or school administration is a very good light. Where are the provincial authorities? McQuinty has lots to say about all sorts of inane things, yet he isn't speaking up about this?
  7. GRAEME BLAIR from Canada writes: A bunch of slack jawwed mouth breathers if you ask me. How about rounding up the Principal and the rest of the school administrators and suspending them. Why is it when these handsomely paid administrators etc. are faced with making decisions, they consistantly make the wrong ones.
  8. guy tozer from saskatoon, Canada writes: Sounds like the principal needs some lessons in racial tolerance. Maybe he and the father of the kid with the broken nose golf together. Who knows? I know one thing. The students who protested have more sense than their teachers and principal.
  9. David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: I recall bully stuff like that happening eons ago in my public school, but it didn't make front page news in a national newspaper. But then, it wasn't until a few years later that the press developed a permanent, full-time obsession with any matter related to race or ethnicity.
  10. neil b from edmonton, Canada writes: wow....all along it has been drummed into my head that I was a knuckle dragging, Holocaust denying, racist pig....At least that was what I have been called because of being born in Western canada.

    Now I see the real problem exists amongst my accusers. This country rates a D. What bigots,
  11. Blaque Jacque Shallaque from Canada writes: Wait, are the lunatics from the Human Rights Commissions getting involved??

    What is a 'hate crimes investigator'?

    Am I the only person who remembers this type of stuff happening routinely in highschool? Kids fight, hurl slurs, and half the time two years later they are friends. No investigators were required. Don't we have enough busybodies in this society who can't get a real job?

    This is ridiculous. Kudos to the karate kid!
  12. Ken Jacobs from Toronto, Canada writes: The kid did the right thing to defend himself. I think this is a wake up call for all visible minorities to stay OUT OF KESWICK I know I'll NEVER go there. But I also have to add, as a 20 year instructor of martial arts that kid knew he was getting into something so he should have been able to block that first punch. Also, this is why in (real) karate we do not award black belt to kids. Anyway I say if you're black, brown (like me) or yellow stay out of York Region
  13. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: This happened during gym class. Where was the teacher? And why isn't the teacher up on charges?
  14. Blaque Jacque Shallaque from Canada writes: Ken Jacobs - why would you say that minorities should stay out of there. Quite the opposite. The younger generation clearly get it, while the oldies are irrelevant. The karate kid is a hero now.

    Ideas and opinion change through events such as these, through the spontaneous response of the kids in the school , not because a 'hatred investigator' mandates politically correct 'anti racism'classes.

    The boy's parents need to shut up though. He clearly can look after himself, and I doubt anyone will be picking on him any time soon. All the parents are doing with their whining is embarrassing their son.
  15. Concerned Taxpayer from Canada writes: John Stockton from Hamilton, Bermuda writes: Hmm.... let's see what scurries around when the rock is lifted? The principal is busy trying to turn the lights off so the media won't see what really happened. But something good must be happening... those kids who walked out of class must have learned about standing up for what's right somewhere.... perhaps the teachers are getting through to them!
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    More accurately, perhaps the students will get through to the teachers.
  16. Greg Boner from Toronto, Canada writes: The students did the right thing and same goes for the kid.
    He stood his ground. More brave kids like him will sure to follow.

    I can hear those dueling banjos now. Keswick is on it's way to it's own deliverance. Squeal like a pig...
  17. Angry West Coast Canuck from Canada writes: Sounds like the asian kid fighting back lifted a rock on this community, and the slimy so-called 'authority figures' thus revealed are desperately trying to escape the light of day.
  18. George BrownIII from Christmas Island writes: Final score; Karate Kid 1 Dummy 0
  19. T. S. from Canada writes: I remember being bullied in high-school gym class. One fellow thought it would be a good idea to kick one leg out from under me while we were doing groin stretches. I popped up, turned around and belted him in the mouth before I knew what happened. He was bleeding as his lips got mashed against his braces. The PE teacher was right there, watched the whole thing and told the bleeding bully that he got what he deserved.

    There's something to be said for a simpler way of settling things.
  20. backward country from Canada writes: Nipper Tipper in Ontario.... White boy racial taunts & punches Asian Kid... Asian Kid defends himself... gets criminally charged by the POOOLICE... Real justice indeed. What's next?????
  21. Tara Schlitz from Canada writes: Sad but true. Ignorance is like a disease. I am embarrassed to be a human most days as I do not accept prejudice in any shape or form, yet it creeps alongside us and seems to be becoming more and more prevalent. I am ashamed for the staff at this young boys school as the children are far more educated than them.
  22. Sue W from Canada writes: I agree with David Gibson.

    Kids pick-on, bully one another, get in fights for a whole host of reasons.

    If the fight had occurred between two kids of the same race this sideshow wouldn't be happening.

    So do 'hate' investigators get involved with incidents if the individuals are of the same race?
  23. Overthinking It from Toronto, Canada writes: Perhaps we should just follow Japan's lead & be good people. Question is I guess, which of us should follow Japan's lead. LOL.
  24. S B from Canada writes: Sue W from Canada writes: ...
    So do 'hate' investigators get involved with incidents if the individuals are of the same race?

    Yes when it involves sexual orientation

    Way to attack the victim Sue. I'm sure if it was your kid you would react differently. The issue here is that the Korean kid did nothing but be himself. How would you like it if you were minding your own business and somebody came up to you, insulted you and punched you? The sideshow started because of the racist kid, not the Korean kid.

    Now how about applying some sunblock to your neck before you go have sex with your brother.
  25. Jordan Maslyn from Toronto, United States writes: It absolutely disgusts me that this victim is suspended from school for defending himself, while the instigator who committed a hate crime goes unpunished. Meanwhile, a McDonald's employee in B.C. defends him/herself by throwing hot oil at a robber trying to steal money. The worker is not punished and police are searching for the suspect. Something's not right. Has everything that Martin Luther King Jr. tried to fight for in his life still gone unnoticed?
  26. B Mac from North Ogden, Canada writes: That knuckle-dragging bully and his dim-witted cousin had better consider one other harsh reality: Unless the pay for being on welfare really improves, they both just may end up asking that kid for a job in ten years. That'll be about the same time the Hate Crimes inquiry winds up.

    Now that would be justice!
  27. joe garcia from Canada writes: Kudos to the 400 students who walked out, they should continue to walk out until the agressor gets suspended and reprimanded for his bullying and for his act of racism.

    What kind of School Principal is this?!! The School Management should be ashamed of themselves for condoming bullying, discrimination, and racism!

    Where is the School Board on this? Is Racism condoned in Ontario???

    How can they possibly justify blaming the victim for his self-defense?

  28. joe garcia from Canada writes: KESWICK HIGH SCHOOL

    keswick.hs@yrdsb.edu.on.ca

    Anti-Bullying Policy :

    'Bullying can take the form of physical, verbal, or emotional abuse directly or over communication networks (cyber bullying). At Keswick High School, there is a zero-tolerance policy on bullying which is supported by the York Region District School Board, and the Ministry of Education of Ontario.'

    Keswick High School Mission:

    'The mission of the York Region District School Board is: 'we unite in our purpose to inspire and prepare learners for life in our CHANGING WOLD community.'

    In order to support the Board's mission, the mission of Keswick High School is: 'we strive to create a tradition of excellence in a FAIR and understanding community of learning.'

    keswick.hs@yrdsb.edu.on.ca
  29. Dave M from Canada writes: Assuming this account is accurate it sounds like more needs to be done than re-assess what charges should be laid. The education department needs to investigate how this school is being run. And I'm not sure what process Ontario has for investigating police actions( i hope to God it's better than BC's), but it sounds the police detachment in Keswick needs looking into. Three huge cheers for the students for standing up for this youth, or the whole thing would have been swept under the carpet as seems to be happening so often these days.
  30. joe garcia from Canada writes: http://www.yrdsb.edu.on.ca/

    York Region District School Board
    The Education Centre - Aurora
    60 Wellington Street West, Box 40
    Aurora, ON
    L4G 3H2

    feedback@yrdsb.edu.on.ca
  31. Rani Das from Canada writes: Bravo to this Korean child's parents. He might be going through a tough time in Keswick, but he has learnt how much character his parents have, how much support they offer him and how many good kids are in his school too.
  32. joe garcia from Canada writes: http://www.yrdsb.edu.on.ca/page.cfm?id=ICM000001

    Since it seems that at this High School, there's no consequence for slandering and making racial slurs and going ahead and punching someone in the face.

    Under these circumstances indicating that Keswick High School condones racism, completely ignoring its own mission Statement, it is NO SURPRISE that the victim resorted to defend himself by braking the Bully's nose.

    Letting the attacker go without punishment seems like a clear INVITATION by the Keswick High School for more violence.

  33. Jo Blo from Canada writes: backward country from Canada writes: 'White boy racial taunts & punches Asian Kid... Asian Kid defends himself... gets criminally charged by the POOOLICE... Real justice indeed. What's next?????'

    You see the perfect example of statism. In that kind of society, people aren't allowed to defend themselves because society is supposed to do everything for them. Victims are expected to keep their hands down, try to run away, and then if they're not brain damaged, file a formal complaint with the authorities for a 'proper' investigation, after the fact.

    Of course, by the time the investigation is taken seriously enough and actually undertaken, it's often impossible to gather evidence. In the meantime, the victim will have been expected to bleat like a sheep and get pummeled. Forget about help from good samaritans and those willing to take a physical risk trying to do what's right and intervene: they'll be no accolades for these people. They'll be lectured by the authorities about vigilantism and the need to wait for law-enforcement, so they can put on an overwhelming show of force (if they get there in time), so that they can impress the politicians and get more funding to expand even more.

    Ontario society takes this so seriously, that the aggressor gets off scott free, while the victim, who has committed the unforgiveable act of defending himself, becomes the real culprit.

    Think about it. Ontario is turning into a society of whimps, unwilling to confront societal misfits and bullies, and punishes victims instead.
  34. joe garcia from Canada writes: This is a COMPLETE DISGRACE!

    Shame on the High School

    Shame on the School Board

    Shame on the Ontario Ministry of Education

    Shame on ONTARIO
  35. joe garcia from Canada writes: This incident is reminiscent of Clint Eastwood's Gran Torino...
  36. joe garcia from Canada writes: By letting the Bully/Racist/Instigator go with no consequence, the High School is clearly contravening the York Region District School Board’s Safe Schools Policy:

    http://www.keswick.hs.yrdsb.edu.on.ca/Resources/YRDSBSafeSchoolsBrochure.pdf

    THow can this High School CLAIM to have a 'zero-tolerance policy on bullying'????!!!!!!

    'Once again, welcome to our school website. I would encourage you to contact us at

    keswick_hs@yrdsb.edu.on.ca

    if you have any questions or comments.

    Thank you for visiting us!

    Regards,
    C. McGinley
    Principal
    Keswick High School'









  37. Haywood Yaspareadime from Lotusland, Canada writes: Ummm...Sue W. Chances are that the fight between the two kids of the same race wouldn't have started with the racial slurs....THAT's why.
  38. Carl Burton from Nanaimo, Canada writes: I think the boy that was suspended should give that Principal a punch to the side of his head, maybe knock some sense into him. GOOD ON THE kARATE KID, ATHOUGH WITH A BLACK BELT HE SHOULD HABGOOD ON THE kARATE KID, ALTHOUGH HE SHOULD
  39. Carl Burton from Nanaimo, Canada writes: I think the boy who was suspended should have given the Principal a smack on the side of HIS head, maybe would have knocked some sense into him. Although a kid with a Black Belt should really have been able to avoid that punch the dullard bully threw at him.
  40. Huey Freeman from Mississauga, Canada writes: Where is Keswick's mayor on this story??? It was just on Countdown with Keith Olbermann as the Worst Person in the World. And now wait for the media horde descenting on Keswick painting it as a racist town with good kids and bad adults. This stradegy that people in high places have of ignoring a story and hope it goes away never seems to work. The non action of the Keswick school staff and police force speaks volumes and when they have to grovel and offer apolgies and take the proper action they will look pathetic.
  41. J. Michael from Canada writes: The Korean boy sounds like a trouble maker and one that would use any excuse to hurt someone.
  42. joe garcia from Canada writes: I highly recommend to every member of Keswick High School's Administration, to all members of their School Council, to all members of their Student Council, and to the representatives of the York School Board to rent a copy of Clint Eastwood's recent movie: 'Gran Torino' and watch it.

    Looks to me like some of them, MOSTLY the pathethic Administration, have lots to LEARN!
  43. joe garcia from Canada writes: J. Michael: the only one that sounds like a trouble maker is the Bully. He had it coming and its a good thing that he ended up with a BROKEN and bloody nose. Hopefully the bully will have learned his lesson.
  44. Brian Kuchar from Toronto, writes: The damage has already been done on this issue, even if the suspension is ultimately lifted. The school missed their chance to do the right thing, being publicly cowed into reversing your position isn't exactly a ringing affirmation of purported anti-racism and anti-bullying policies. When I was in high school earlier this decade, I remember that an on-going poster campaign in YRDSB schools was entitled 'Character Matters'. The idea was that it was YRDSB's goal to teach the values of good character to their students. The victim in this case stood up for himself and all marginalized students; sounds like good character to me. He has now been punished for his display of character, and taxpayers fund this absurd hypocrisy.
  45. joe garcia from Canada writes: J. Michael, how can you explain over 400 students walked out of the School in disgrace to PROTEST and SUPPORT the Korean-Canadian Kid?

    Guess how many marched in support of the trouble-making Bully that ended up with a sore Broken and Bloody nose? Not one.

    Nobody.

    That's right J. Michael, everyone TURNED their back to the Bully and supported the Canadian Korean.

    J. Michael, souds to me like you are a biggot.
  46. Policy Wonk from Canada writes: 1. Drop the assault charges against the karate kid.
    2. End the school suspension.
    3. Charge the aggressor with assault and initiating a hate crime.
    4. Fire the Principle.
    5. Suspend the local police investigator who laid the initial charge.

    Congrats to the karate kid for standing up to the aggressor.
    Congrats to the school kids who rallied in support of the karate kid - everybody deserves friends like that.
  47. Nathan Weatherdon from Canada writes: What an awful thing to see a school administration who punishes someone who fights back but not the person who threw the first punch.

    But, what an awesome thing to see the students stand up for their classmate.
  48. joe garcia from Canada writes: The best thing that came out of this is having over 400 students walking out of the School in disgrace to protest and SUPPORT the Korean-Canadian Kid.

    Guess how many marched in support of the trouble-making Bully that ended up with a sore Broken and Bloody nose? Not one.

    Nobody.

    That's right, every student TURNED their back to the Bully and supported the Canadian Korean.

    At the end what comes around goes around and the 'tuff bully' had it coming.
  49. Brian Kuchar from Toronto, writes: Where was the gym teacher when all this occurred? And what's being done to discipline the student who repeated the racial epithet a day later? It's true that we can't punish every instance of bullying and bigotry that goes unreported, but surely we should punish the ones that we know about. The attitude of the Korean student and his parents during this ordeal is truly inspiring. Many of us when faced with a similar situation would choose to change schools or find some other way of avoiding a large confrontation. Kudos to those who take a stand, including the protesting students who evidently realize that Canada is supposed to be better than some racist jackal spouting nonsense and throwing punches with impunity.
  50. inside view from Canada writes: Couldn't the police charge the bully with cirminal harrassment? As for the retaliating student, isn't self defence a complete defence, provided the response was measured?
  51. jomo wanjala from Anti Racism Crusader, Canada writes: 'Anti bullying' policies are racist. Afro-Canadian children are penalized at a higher rate for 'so called bullying' which is often just joking or kidding around in afro-Canadian culture.

    Proof of this can be found in the following Ontario Human Rights Commission report:
    www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/discussionconsultation/SafeSchoolsConsultRepENG?page=SafeSchoolsConsultRepENG-I.html
  52. Common Cents for Dollars from Canada writes: In light of the fact that the school board & school administration are working in tandem with the white boy & his parents, no measure of objectivity can be expected from the school. Change schools & slap the school with a Human Rights complaint. Since clearly the Principal is siding with the 'might makes right camp' ... ok ... the only way to ensure the lesson sinks in is to use the laws that are here to protect minorities from institutionalized abuse, even when it is the 'sweep this under the rug' kind. For sure the white protagonist should be made to apologise! He refuses ... ok, pay the fine that the Human Rights Tribunal will levy. This idea that because you are white you can act like some sort of neo-colonial storm-trooper has to be stopped, or the kid will turn out like his father, preferring pride & racial intollerance instead of acting like a man and apologising for the insult and the first punch. 30 years ago when this happened, the teachers would literally haul the white kid AND the Korean kid up and demand mutual apologies. Then they would shake hands, even if both kids hated it ... it was a lesson. That is why they are in school ... to learn. Today when it is more important than ever to respect people across racial barriers, the school fails in insisting in conflict resolution on the spot. At this point, the school has failed. Slap them with a Human Rights complaint ...maybe next time the school will be more motivated to objectively solve this problem instead of pretending it does not exist.
  53. jomo wanjala from Human Rights Champion, Canada writes: 'Anti bullying' policies are fronts for racist expulsion policies.
    Statistically afro-Canadian children are penalized at a higher rate for 'so called bullying' which is often just joking or kidding around in afro-Canadian culture.
  54. joe garcia from Canada writes: Didn't realize how backward Lake Simcoe appears to be? Who would have known that Toronto is surounded by what appears to be hick-red neck territory!!!
  55. joe garcia from Canada writes: Racial profile of Town of Georgina, Ontario (of which Keswick is part of):

    96.1% White
    1.6% Aboriginal
    0.5% Black
    0.3% Chinese
  56. Nicholas de Panicis from Oakville, Canada writes: This young man had aright to defend himself period..Only in Canada do we protect the GUILTY....
  57. jomo wanjala from Human Rights Champion, Canada writes: www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/discussionconsultation/SafeSchoolsConsultRepENG?page=SafeSchoolsConsultRepENG-I.html
  58. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: @ Sue W: What about when it's anti ethnic discrimination? English on Irish? Or anti-Polish? Or any other 'ethnic' minority?
  59. Lyn Alg from Canada writes: Is this the Jerk that the white trash ma and pa brought up? They should have flushed this down the toilet like any smelly vomit. This entire family sounds as if they are the remaining remnants from the Ozarks. Hee-Haw !!
  60. Lyn Alg from Canada writes: I cannot believe that I'm writing this post at this time in the morning. I'm sitting outside on the deck listening to the beautiful loons on Lake Joseph. Awooooooo, awoooooo, honk, honk....
  61. Roop Misir from Toronto, Canada writes: Is this a shining example of 'equity' at work in the school?
  62. Harry Plummer from Canada writes: The more I think of my previous post and re-read the article the more I realize that the action of the police is very suspect. Why the 'white kid' who taunted and threw the first punch isn't charged beggars belief. I don't know if the charges where at the request of the prosecutors office - if so then they are as culpable as the police in this particular case. I also might add the actions of the school Principal are quite suspect. As I said in my previous post the white adults in Keswick sound as if they are in-bred.
  63. Woody Forrest from Out in the Sticks, Canada writes: Policy Wonk from Canada writes: 1. Drop the assault charges against the karate kid. 2. End the school suspension. 3. Charge the aggressor with assault and initiating a hate crime. 4. Fire the Principle. 5. Suspend the local police investigator who laid the initial charge. ------------------------------------------------------------- A very good summary of the situation. Do people remember the public school principal in New Brunswick who cut back on the singing of the national anthem? Overwhelming criticism caused that person to take a medical leave and then resign. Perhaps public pressure can do the same in Keswick. The Korean boy was defending himself. Unfortunately for him, he did this too well. However that doesn't change the nature of the assault by the other boy - who should be on suspension and facing charges too. The Keswick incident reminded me of David Cronenberg's 'A History of Violence'. Minus the racial taunts, the scene in which the quiet kid breaks the bully's nose was very similar. I sympathized with the quiet kid in the movie as I do with the Korean-Canadian boy now on suspension. I hope that Keswick highschool principal has a few sleepless nights over this to re-consider what they've done.
  64. Keep It Current from Canada writes: So a group of RCMP officers are justified (or at least not charged) for tasering an individual repeatedly because lifting a stapler is an adequate indication of aggression, yet being punched in the face is not. Strange.
  65. Edward Carson from Canada writes: Keswick has always been known as backwater. I remember a running joke in among some co-workers that stated 'Newmarket is getting a zoo...they're fencing in Kewswick'. Keswick is also the town that made the news last year for gangs going around and throwing Oriental fishermen into the lake and river...or 'Nipper Tipping' as it was grossly called. Now this?
  66. Leon Russell from Gatineau, Qc, Canada writes: Gym class is a zoo.
  67. jomo wanjala from Human Rights Champion, Canada writes: 'Anti bullying' policies are fronts for racist expulsion policies.
    Afro-Canadian children are penalized at a higher rate for 'so called bullying' which is often just joking/kidding around in afro-Canadian culture
  68. Thomas Price from Whitefish, Canada writes: Human nature is a culture of bullying instigated at the youngest of ages and practiced even in the highest office of the country. Whether the bullying is racial or not is only dependent on the circumstances. Three examples; 1) the purpose and practice of using widely recognized goons in hockey (there is actually a company that travels around teaching young hockey players how to fight during a game), 2) the Prime Minister of Canada bullying Stephan Dionne into submission and, 3) attempting to bully the school and police into doing the correct thing. Why do we do this? Because bullying and often only bullying works to achieve an objective. What we haven't been able to do is find effective alternatives to bullying and I suspect that with bullying being practiced by the most senior levels of government there is no hope of eliminating bullying at school ground level. The best we can hope for, but seem to have difficulty doing, is to deal with offensive cases justly when they do occur.
  69. Geiseric the Lame from Canada writes:
    This is exactly the sort of insanity I've learned to expect from what's left of school discipline. This is the very same system that's teaching kids they can't stick up for themselves by insisting they should go to the office when 'words' to solve anything. This isn't just about racism, as obvious and deplorable as it is, or even about oppressing individual rights to self-determination.

    Its a weasels in offices drawing power to themselves.

    It's a shame this story needs to be told because it's an embarrassment.
  70. Zack Fair from Canada writes: Bon, Jomo avec des commentaires pas rapport encore.
  71. Guy Olivier from Columbus, Ohio, United States writes: 'David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: I recall bully stuff like that happening eons ago in my public school, but it didn't make front page news in a national newspaper. But then, it wasn't until a few years later that the press developed a permanent, full-time obsession with any matter related to race or ethnicity.'
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    Buddy, it's not the fact that someone was getting bullied in scchool, but more the fact that the bullied kid got arrested after defending himself. Keep up.
  72. Happily Retired from Lupinland, Canada writes: I totally agree with those who have assessed the situation as being completely insane. I would gladly contribute to a defence fund for the Korean kid if I knew where to send the money. Methinks that the animals have taken over the zoo!
  73. Vancouver Viaduct from Canada writes:
    keswick - crossed off my vacation list

    town is full of white supremacists
  74. Smokezz from Southern Ontario from Canada writes: Blaque Jacque Shallaque: Am I the only person who remembers this type of stuff happening routinely in highschool? Kids fight, hurl slurs, and half the time two years later they are friends. No investigators were required. Don't we have enough busybodies in this society who can't get a real job?

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    Exactly the reason I absolutely despise my teen years. Everyone ignored the bullies, let them do as they pleased. I wasn't the 'tough guy' in school so too bad was the attitude. Teachers didn't do anything, just ignored it even if it happened right in front of them. And NO, no one ever became friends a couple years later. Probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You must have been one of those bullies.

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