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Afghan parliamentarians furious at anti-woman law

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Draft versions say women must have their husband's permission to leave the house and must submit to sex with him every fourth day. ...Read the full article

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  1. gar gurr from Canada writes: Karzai has to be replaced.He is weak knee who is more interested in stirring the pot and keeping NATO there to keep him safe while he gets rich and then will flee to some other country. We need a loyal Afghan strong man who will not fear taking a few lives to bring about stability
  2. jeff wong from North York, Canada writes: A) If a country wants to change, they majority of its people will rise up. If the people in Afghanistan wants this change, how come it's so hard to gain support from the majority of the people?

    B) Afghanistan has been around centuries before Canada. Maybe, thats how they want to live, who are we to force them to change and adopt "our" way of life? Can you imagine what would happen if Canada brings troops in to Tibet to "liberate" them from the Chinese? Or how about Americans come to Quebec to liberate them? Sometimes, its best to leave these extremists alone.

    C) The West has tried 9 different times using Crusades to meddle with the Middle East, and have failed. The West is destined to fail again this 10th time.
  3. sherry smith from Canada writes: There is something so wrong with what this guy is saying. We can't change other countries with killing it's citizens because they live differently from us. Look at the history of our own nations which kept women pregnant and barefoot for so long. It was the women themselves that brought about the change with the help of men who believed in equality. It took courage and determination and if you think about it it hasn't been that long since women became people, in Canada, in the U.S. in Great Britain. God Bless all the forward thinking men and women in the world and thankyou to all of them for the freedom I have today. The fellow above stated they need a strong Afghan at the helm. Karzai was installed by the U.S. CIA and there is talk he won't be around for long. He's an opportunist and has always know about all the corruption in his Government. Hand to hand deals regarding the poppy fields are made every day between the Northern Alliance, some who are sitting in his cabinet, and the various drug lords from all over the World, including America. That's where the Bush Dynasty made their first fortune, no less, at the turn of the century as the end of the Ottoman Empire came about. Change has to come from the people themselves not from the end of depleted uranium bombs, or guns. The whole War on Terror has nothing to do with women's rights anyway. That's just bull crap rhetoric by the politicians fronting for the corporations that want control for various reasons. Lot's of money to be made by invading countries, hanging their leaders (Saddam) and then figuring out ways to transport the reinstated Shell and Exon companies loot across to where they want it. I don't know why there is no more truth in this World.
  4. rablais rabble from Canada writes: damage control...repeat damage control. do you read me?

    damage control, damage control
  5. Ryan Lemay from Canada writes: Is it me or is all this western economic development having the opposite effect that what we origionally intended with third world development? Ooooops, it's too late to do anything. Better luck next time Planet Earth. Maybe the anti-global warming religous nut cases in the US and Canada can join the fanatical nut cases in the third world and breed out of control, continue increase consumption of fossil fuels and fast food culture, and stick their heads in the sand as ignoring the world problems will magically make them disappear. Good luck planet Earth, glad I'll not be around when things start to get really crazy.
  6. hardy dickins from chilliwack bc, Canada writes: Firstly ,,its none of our business,,secondly ,,we have no right to be there in the first place,,its their country ,,let them live their way and keep your tory noses out of it
  7. Gilles Hudicourt from Montreal, Canada writes: Anyone wonder why the women are only required to have sex with their husbands every four days? Out of sensitivity, so they are not forced to have sex with their husbands on the same night that he also has sex with one of his 3 other wives.....
  8. anonymous in Ont from Canada writes: jeff wong from North York, Canada writes B) Afghanistan has been around centuries before Canada. Maybe, thats how they want to live, who are we to force them to change and adopt "our" way of life? Can you imagine what would happen if Canada brings troops in to Tibet to "liberate" them from the Chinese? Or how about Americans come to Quebec to liberate them? Sometimes, its best to leave these extremists alone

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    your post is ridiculous, first the tibetans would be happy to be liberated from the brutal autocratic regime called the ccp/PRC. Second liberate Quebec from who Canada? Quebec held a referendum & voted to stay a part of Canada & last time I checked they are not persecuted by the Canadian govt. Your CCP propaganda is showing again Comrade Wong!
  9. Jay Carborundum from Calgary, Canada writes: Who are we to force our western ways on any culture? Where does it say that 'our way' is right? Things will change, if the people there want to change. Not because of our so called civilized way.
  10. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: It is becomming more obvious that a global jihadist in the works not just some minor movement in a far away country as some suggest here. I wonder sometimes if anyone who posts here actually READS the Globe and Mail let alone do any indepth global news research. Anyone one wonder why there was such an outcry against the possibility of Sharia law being adopted here or why most Canadians continue to cringe at women wearing niqabs here?
    Symbolisim is a powerful tool. And if we don't help empower the women who wish to be free and equal, the barbaric, patriarchal idiocy of the Islamic extremists is only going to fester and kill everything that the Koran actually stands for.
    It's all very pathetic.
  11. Eugene Sander from Victoria, BC, Canada, Canada writes: I regret that men in Afghanistan are so weak that they need to subjugate women in with stupid laws. I think it is time we took our troops home and let them evolve on their own. Words cannot express my outrage at losing yet another precious

    I think we need a tax revolt to force our leaders to bring our military home.
    gene
  12. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: They aren't going to "evolve" eugene. That is exactly the problem but not the primary reason why our troops are there. Karzia is just fuelling the fire. The "war" is more complicated and I believe oil/territory and fair wealth distribution are at the core. Human rights issues have always come in last in global power-plays but then it has always been that way don't you think?

    And check your history wong...
  13. Rob Swanson from EDMONTON, Canada writes: So, we went in defence of a NATO member (Afghan leaders in exile meet to establish a new paradigm End Nov 2001).

    Completed the original mission goal (the Taliban govt capitulates as leaders surrender and are released Jan 02).

    We extended a helping hand as best we could until 04 (Loya Jirga adopts a new constitution. The constitution grants equality for men and women and defines the country as an "Islamic Republic.")

    With our collective minds elsewhere, we miss this in 06 (NATO troops take over military operations in southern Afghanistan from the U.S.-led coalition, putting a total of 21,000 American troops and 19,000 NATO troops on the ground. In September, it launches the largest attack in its 57-year history).

    then, our collective minds elsewhere, the breakout... 08 (nationals attack guards outside a prison in Kandahar and then launch a rocket-propelled grenade at a fuel tanker parked outside the prison. The blast kills several guards and opens a hole in the prison wall. About 900 inmates escape, including 350 members of the Taliban).

    And we are left with...

    ...

    ?

    As someone who understood why we went, and why we stayed, perhaps they would choose otherwise...?

    Pen them up, and we will talk to the winner, and look long, and hard, and with mutual suspicion at anyone who crosses that border.

    Lets see if the Afghan nation will have the courage of their stated convictions, or if they continue to take the fight to their own people.

    We offered democracy, lets see if they understand the price.
  14. Shannon Navarrete from Calgary, Canada writes: As a female , I am always surprized at how weak men have to be to ,
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  15. Shannon Navarrete from Calgary, Canada writes: not be able to control themselves unless a woman is totally covered,
    to terrified of us that we need to be kept illiterate.
    so unsure of thier sexual prowess that their wives must be forced to paly along.

    I can only read for this is that Muslim men must a very weak breed.
  16. Rob Swanson from EDMONTON, Canada writes: Shannon Navarrete

    any claim to legitimacy must be aware that cutting at least 50% of your collective mental ability out of society is a losing game...

    You ask an indefensible question. As we should.

    And yet, some will defend it. To not only their, but those they claim to value's lives...

    Why is that?

    And how can we teach them before that terrible bad decision is taken?
  17. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: Shannon, there is a sexual assault case currently before the Ontario supreme court - a veiled muslim woman was allegedly raped by 2 muslim men. Instead of dealing with the serious crimminal circumstances of this trial she has issued a Charter challenge due to being denied to wear her niquab (face veil) in court, which infringes her right to 'freedom of religion'...all further news of this particular case has since been silenced.

    Instead of following our established doctines of due process, the rule of law and the conventions of deducing the truth in our judicial system specifically in crimminal cases - Why not just send the parties back to their country of origin to proceed under their theocratic system - unfortunately she would likely be stoned to death.
  18. stan unknown from wpg, Canada writes: They don't have to get married. Two consenting adults can both read the directions....
  19. Roop Misir from Toronto, Canada writes: We need to draw the line between "culture" and "religion".

    Is the wearing an item of clothing part of "culture" or "religion?

    Which of these has to do with the keeping of women covered and as virtual sex slaves?
  20. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: And while everyone is up in arms about Sharia law maybe we should learn something from the following: Afghanistan ( ie Kabul ) has expressed concerns over its security after Pakistan's government signed a deal allowing a stricter interpretation of Islamic law in the northwest of the country in an effort to end a long-running conflict. Kabul is worried that the move could embolden the fighters ( ie the Taleban )on both sides of the border. "Since any deal with terrorist groups can have effects on the security of our own country and people, we ask the country of Pakistan to take into consideration the issue of security and its side-effects on relations between the two countries," Humayun Hamidzada, an Afghan presidential spokesman, said. Pakistani critics of the agreement, which was signed on Monday, say it could bring about the "Talibanisation" of large areas of the country along the border with Afghanistan. "I believe that politicians have capitulated, and this is going to badly impact the future of Pakistan and open [the] floodgates for Talibanisation, said AH Nayyar, an analyst at the Sustainable Development Policy Institute in Islamabad. " The entire province of Malakand, which includes the Swat valley, would fall to pro-Taliban groups within the next few months. I also see there will be pressures by Taliban in other provinces and Pakistan is going to go back to the dark ages." Al Jazeera is reporting that many believe the government's decision represents the will of the people. Although there will be people who say this gives into the demands of the Taliban in Swat, others point to a precedence for sharia law and before Swat was amalgamated into Pakistan, the place was governed by sharia. In the interest of peace, the political parties in power have therefore supported the people's will. It is folly to think we can bring our concept of democracy to these countries Clearly, they are not ready for it. Get our troops out NOW.
  21. Seasoned Warrior from Been down so long it looks like up to me, Canada writes: What will happen in these countries - and others - when the people finally wake up and realize there is no god and that their entire cultural and religious existence is based on a fraud? There is no invisible big daddy and men on earth are not created in his image, as his bully boys to enslave and control women. Anyone, male or female, who still believe in this fairy tale will be viewed by generations in the future as prehistoric and unenlightened. This god that they profess to believe in is nothing more than a fabrication of men to give them the upper hand over women. When you get rid of religion, you will get rid of war.
  22. Roop Misir from Toronto, Canada writes: "Seasoned Warrior from Been down so long it looks like up to me, Canada writes:

    "What will happen in these countries - and others - when the people finally wake up and realize there is no god and that their entire cultural and religious existence is based on a fraud?"

    Excellent point!

    Those who knoweth little shall still believe. What's there to lose?
  23. Boreal Moose from Canada writes: Seasoned Warrior from Been down so long it looks like up to me, Canada writes: What will happen in these countries - and others - when the people finally wake up and realize there is no god and that their entire cultural and religious existence is based on a fraud?

    __________________________

    What will happen in Western countries? Perhaps we can figure that one out when 95% of Americans do not report a belief in God. Try again bozo.
  24. Donald Wilson from Canada writes: It is well past the time for Obama and Harper to say to Karzi and the whole Afgan parlament ? - Repeal this law , and while your at it , get rid of the Taliban among you . Give him 30 days , and if not accomplished , fire the whole lot of them and run the country under a UN mandate for the next 50 years . If they don't take this hard line , then our troops are just wasting time in the country at great expense to the Canadian taxpayer .
  25. Happily Retired from Lupinland, Canada writes: I must confess to having been a big supporter of our presence in Afghanastan, but it has become obvious that we are there to prop up a corrupt regime that seems to have no hope of accomplishing any major changes any time soon. Our government should take this opportunity to cut and run before we lose any more brave soldiers on a lost cause.
  26. Ben E from Quebec, Canada writes: Once more, the radicals show that they have departed from orthodox Islam. Within marriage, women have an obligation to be receptive to their husbands (and husbands have a similar obligation toward their wives). However, a woman’s refusal to receive her husband (which if persistent would be grounds for divorce) does NOT give the husband the right to use force to have his way with her. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) said that the best of men were those who were kind to their wives. One of the Traditions says: “If a man calls his wife to bed and she refuses to come, and he goes to sleep angry with her, the angels will curse her until morning.” The man may be angry but he should not use force to have his way; he should simply turn over and go to sleep.
  27. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Same old comments without much attention paid to the content of the article - it is MALE parliamentarians who are unhappy with the Shia Family Law - it is many Afghans who are resisting having this law enacted. But let us continue to pretend they are all a bunch of barbarians wanting to subjugate women. The Canadian PRT in Kandahar is increasing in size because they are negotiating with local elders successfully. They are using fall fields to grow alternative crops and finding ways to retain their young men instead of having them join the Taliban. They had a major sporting even in Kandahar City two years ago the like of which had not been seen since before the Taliban ruled. People just ignore the fact that the majority of Afghans and Pakistanis do not want the Taliban and those who do not flee obey out of fear of the Taliban. Canadian PRT and troops are experiencing successes that never get reported in the Canadian press. Can't let the Canadians think something is being achieved.
  28. Fake Name from Canada writes: Well, well ... a sign that there are at least a few sane voices left. Perhaps it's not quite time to gas the entire country after all.
  29. Ted Arnold from Canada writes:
    END THE OCCUPATION!
    ALL FOREIGN TROOPS OUT NOW!
  30. Ben E from Quebec, Canada writes: No spouse, man or woman, has the right to use force against the other to compel intercourse. However, the idea of spousal obligation to conjugal intimacy is NOT foreign to Christianity.

    St. Paul makes that clear in his Epistle to the Corinthians: "A man should fulfil his duty as a husband, and a woman should fulfil her duty as a wife, and each should satisfy the other’s needs. A wife is not the master of her own body, but her husband is; in the same way a husband is not the master of his own body, but his wife is. Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital relations."
  31. Udom Thongpai from Victoria, Canada writes: The law was purely symbolic anyway. Beyond Kabul, Afghan law is unknown. They rely on Sharia and custom. In the Afghan constitution the legal age for marriage is 16, but nobody pays attention to that... A marriage license is required by law, but only a few dozen are issued a year. All of the conditions set out in the law are routine practice throughout Afghanistan.

    Hoffman says, "some of the men who sit in the Afghan parliament are furious that a controversial new law stifling the rights of women was passed without their input". There are little lies, and big lies.... This is a candidate for Whopper of the Year.
  32. Udom Thongpai from Victoria, Canada writes: AFP is reporting that a few dozen Afghan female MPs and supporters were demonstrating against the law outside Kabul University, when they were chased off by a crowd of about 500 angry Shiites, including about 200 women... In western Kabul a teacher was protected by police as he spoke out to denounce the law. A crowd gathered and began throwing stones at them. "This teacher is an infidel. We are Muslims and we want our law based on our religious beliefs," said protester Kazim Ali. Police and firefighters battled the mob and fired shots. Reports say two were wounded by gunfire. The Afghan government says it never happened. "Afghans chase off women law protesters", AFP, http://tinyurl.com/clxurr
  33. Steve French from Windsor, Ont, Canada writes: 'When you get rid of religion, you will get rid of war.'

    What about oil? Territory? Lebenshraum?
    Resources? King and country?
    What about Fightin' terror? The commie insurgence?
    The yellow peril? The red savage?
    Spreadin' peace and democracy like Johnny Appleseed?
    We make war for it's own sake.
    The reasons we make up are transitory.
    Usually just stupid bs, like the Stan.
  34. Dave Hasler from Canada writes: Udom Thongpai from Victoria . There is plenty of "symbolism" in this protest. The fact there is a protest at all is significant bearing in mind that opposition to anything remotely Taliban or hardliner is usually responded to with violence. Risk to the protestors is huge and the fact anyone is willing to carry a sign publically is a sign that not everyone is "submissive" as the Afghan - Shia brand of Islam seems to demand.

    Had this protest happened anywhere in Canada or Europe, what would we comment on? Does religious custom demand subserviance or slavery is an important question. If a person is raised according to customs that we consider archane and oppressive - does that make them wrong?

    Are human rights universal? Are there certain ideals that should apply to everyone? I would argue that better ideas are contageous and impossible to contain. We here in the west went through our own "dark ages" and emerged successfully. There was opposition to change. Should we expect change to be painless?

    Are the protestors influened by "western ideas"? Probably to some extent. More Afghans are choosing alternatives such as education lately - largely because the alternative exists and it seems like a better idea. Better ideas don't always come from home. Ideas can be adopted.
  35. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Dave Hasler - yes better ideas can be adopted. It is not simply from exposure to those who are deployed there to help, but there are many Afghans who have lived in Western democratic countries and have returned to Afghanistan to assist in the rebuilding. Many are educated people who have learned that Islam does not have to be incompatible with democratic processes that are influencing how things are developing in Afghanistan. They have been exposed to human rights and freedoms and are trying to have those values adopted within Afghanistan. Considering how long it took to establish some of those principles here, it should come as no surprise that it is taking time to establish them in Afghanistan. And of course, it is the last thing the Taliban wants to see adopted so they will try to remove the leaders who espouse such values. We can either stick with it or we can give in to the Taliban and others with fundamentalist views. Apparently many Afghans are not keen on giving up.
  36. Dave Hasler from Canada writes: Hello - Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg ....... one essential point in all of this discussion is that better ideas really don't require anyone to "impose" them as the west is often accused of in Afghanistan. Better ideas are simply that and they are infectious despite opposition.

    People know a good idea when they see it - and we would be wrong to assume anyone, even in deepest darkest Afghanistan was immune to this process. The problem with Afghanistan is information lack moving to information overload. They went from Taliban rules the no rules to half imposed rules ..... confusion abounds. Inneffective and corrupt governemnt, war, lack of clear direction and a host of other issues make people cranky.

    Afghanistan clearly needs a made in Afghanistan solution - it is the only thing that will stick. If the Taliban return to power, they are likely to hold sway over only southern Afghanistan. The rest they will have to take by force as they did before. They still maintain their relationships with Al Qaeda which was the reason we ended up in that moth eaten dust bowl to begin with. A return of the Taliban MAY (not guarranteed) result in a return of Al Qaeda to their former stomping grounds. Back to square one for NATO and the west if that happens.

    There are a lot of "ifs" here. If Al Qaeda returns to Afghanistan as their main base for training and command and "if" they pull off another 9-11 or a series of smaller 9-11s and "If" we need to go back a second time as a result, it will be a much more intense war.
  37. Udom Thongpai from Victoria, Canada writes: Dave Hasler, My reply didn't make it in... Better ideas... Afghanistan's civil war has hinged on this for a long time. Much depends on whether we have a right to decide whose ideas are better. Under the Soviets there was education for women, and there were lots of female doctors. We helped the conservative faction win and that led to the Taliban. Most progressives left when the Taliban took power, and many have returned. Yes, there are a lot of them. But they are still a minority. Both conservatives and progressives are Afghans.

    What do you do when you have two diametrically opposed forces engaged in an endless fight to the death? It's a no win situation.. and they will never adopt Canadian values. We are banging our heads against the wall, bringing endless warfare to a people who have already suffered war for three decades. We can't solve their problems, and our efforts there are hurting them. How responsible is it to travel around the world exterminating cultures we don't like?

    The road to Kabul is paved with good intentions.

    Oddly, many of our war supporters are deeply conservative, taking every opportunity to condemn Canadian multiculturalism and clinging to a romanticized ideal of a 1940s WASP society. They are as disturbed by cultural change in our society as are conservatives in Afghanistan.

    Al Qaeda doesn't need Afghanistan to attack the west. They have a great playpen in Yemen, and in any case would only need a hotel room anywhere in the world to do their planning. I'm sure they could easily find space in Somalia, which we have completely ignored. The argument that we are in Afghanistan to deny al Qaeda space is entirely empty.

    More on the contentious demonstration here, "Afghans clash over controversial marriage law ", Dawn, http://tinyurl.com/cmpu8k
  38. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: Catherine now says: Canadian PRT and troops are experiencing successes that never get reported in the Canadian press. Can't let the Canadians think something is being achieved. -Are you saying the Canadian press as a whole are supressing news of Canadian successes in Afghanistan? My, you are getting desperate. Might it not be that the successes do not match up to the fact that NATO is not up to taking the situation by the scruff of the neck and establishing true security? That the Taleban is stronger than ever despite being up against the Americans, Canada and NATO ? Seven long years of small progresses and yet there the Taleban is still defiant, resourceful and determined to see foreign troops out of Afghanistan - which is more the Taleban's country than any of the foreigners intruding there, never mind for what reason. Bet you're praying the US 'surge ' in troop numbers will help Canada out of an impossible situation. And don't forget the real reason for being there has nothing to do with freeing women. The Government wants to be seen as a faithful ally to the US, no matter what they are there for - which of course we know has more to do with establishing a military stronghold in that region than any humanitarian objective. You'll deny it but it's a fact all the same.
  39. Roman Spears from Canada writes:

    Shannon Navarrete from Calgary, Canada writes:

    I can only read for this is that Muslim men must a very weak breed.

    *****

    I am sure you generalise too much. There are knuckle dragging misogynists all over the world. They just happen to be having a convention in the muslim hillbilly region at this time.
  40. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: DAVID DIVER- it is not a question of 'suppressing' the news, just not bothering to report it. There are embedded media in Afghanistan who must be aware of what it taking place but they don't report on it. For example, two years ago when we had 6 casualties at Easter, their primary concern was looking for some incompetence or inferior equipment to blame. They totally ignored the half marathon being run by hundreds of boys to cheering crowds in Kandahar City - the first such sporting event since prior to the Taliban rule. They also never reported that as a result of rebuilt irrigation, an agricultural crop was grown for the first time in a decade. Nor do the mention that the Canadians persuaded the locals to use a field that had been left fallow for other crops or the a field that once grew marijuana was planted with wheat which was used in the bakeries in Afghanistan. These are some of the successes that give meaning to the lives lost that Canadians have no idea are being achieved.
  41. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes
    They also never reported that as a result of rebuilt irrigation, an agricultural crop was grown for the first time in a decade. Nor do the mention that the Canadians persuaded the locals to use a field that had been left fallow for other crops or the a field that once grew marijuana was planted with wheat which was used in the bakeries in Afghanistan.
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    Afghanistan is the size of alberta and has a population about that of Canada (33 million).

    Planting a field or two is not that big a deal.
  42. chanel turner from Canada writes: Roman, very funny and well put! BUT-- I watched the video those women are brave they protested with their faces uncovered! wow! Gotta give them credit!
  43. chanel turner from Canada writes: Further, notice the women had their faces exposed and when see Taliban members (male- cant call them 'men') those cowards cover their faces!
    Yup- the women are braver!
  44. Steve French from Windsor, Ont, Canada writes: After six long years of murder we've helped usher the Stan into the 12th century. Goody for us. Big heroes. We rule.
    Send more body bags, please.
  45. Dennis Love from Canada writes: Far as I am concerned Canada should double the numbers of soldiers join forces with the US and knock some sense in the heads of the Taiban and the leaders that condone pushing women back into the12th century.
  46. lumpin proletariat from Hellifax, Canada writes: I'm sure that imaginary friend in the sky is proud of these valiant men.
  47. Joan T from Ontario, Canada writes: Why are Afghan men and men in other countries who condone such a law so afraid of women, so pathetic, so insecure, that they have to pass a law that forces their "wives" to have sex with them?

    This so called "law" says volumes about the pathetic, little, insecure men who think they are "superior". In reality, they are far from it.

    This is not "western" beliefs being forced on others, it's a belief that women must be controlled at all costs..because the men are really just afraid of women.
  48. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: Catherine -isn't that the way with all news? It's not confined to Afghanistan by any means buthe press naturally look for significant success if it is to be appreciated by the readers. In Afghanistan one expects bigger results for conducting a 7 year war and so far it isn't happening. By all means tell us about sports events that would not have occurred if the Taleban ruled the country but it pales in significance as to the death and destruction that has occurred - which, by the way, is constantly under-reported or suppressed by the media - your argument goes both ways...
  49. George BrownIII from Christmas Island writes: Please educate me, why are the shia females singled out versus sunni women? But if the saudi's do the same thing and nobody cares?
  50. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: GBIII, all goes back to the "brothers" split of who is actually related to Mohammad the profit and who deserves the right to rule. That is their root problem.
  51. Searching for Truth from Canada writes: I applaud the brave Afghan women who demonstrate for their rights. How come our own radical feministSS have nothing to say and have done nothing to help Afghan women. Pretty pathetic bunch, the Canadian radical feministSS.
  52. LUCIEN ALEXANDRE MARION from Canada writes: FOR THE RIGHTS OF AGHANISTAN' WOMEN...If I may express, I beleive it is important that women'organisations of the free world should stand firmly behind those young and brave women of Afghanistan. We are witnessing a new generation of women standing for their rights and this is a proof , a small proof that a form of Democracy is emerging slowly in that country. I beleive that the young generations will change the mentalities gradually in time and also will preserve their Cultural Traditions. It will take time that's for sure. At least two or three generations maybe more, as long as that country doesn't go back in darkness...
  53. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: DAVID DIVER from Comox - Until 2004/2005 the Taliban weren't up against much in south and east Afghanistan- a few small Special Forces teams supported by a small number of coalition and Afghan troops and a heavy reliance on air power. These forces were focused on disrupting and interdicting the Taliban insurgents. There was little security outside Kandahar City or Qalat in Zabul Province. They had one ineffective PRT in Kanadahar City. The US were trying to rush Afghan police into service to make up for the lack of a permanent military presence. This was due largely Germany's failure to deliver on its Bonn Agreement promise to build an effective Afghan Police Force. The US also used a counter insurgency strategy of fighting the Taliban with police without a military security framework to protect them and they often became part of the problem. BTW in the south the Taliban was a dynamic collection of groups and individuals not simply the old Taliban that had been routed. more to come
  54. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: The new Taliban had a clear strategic aim - to drive out foreign forces (in reality all foreigners including aid groups), topple the government and seize power. Their goal was to restore the Islamic regime they had prior to 9/11. There have not been seven long years of small successes. The Taliban had thousands of full and part time fighters that could attack and then return to their safe haven in Pakistan where they moved around in the cities with no problem from local authorities and support from the ISI. The also formed a 10 member rahbari shura (leadership council) to lead a jihad under a new military strategy - which included suicide bombers and night letters. There really was not adequate security in Kandahar outside the city to establish PRTs when they arrived in 2005. They also had to secure other areas in preparation for the arrival of the Dutch and British troops. Also, the Afghan president and government really had limited legitimacy until the elections of 2004 & 2005.more..
  55. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: So when ISAF was expanded to the south and east under the Afghan Compact in 2005, it was in part due to the recognition that the people by voting in large numbers and electing their representatives had shown some faith and hope in their new government. They also new that military action alone would not defeat the Taliban - what was needed was the spread of aid, security and good government. In fact one tactic used by the Taliban was to try to convince the locals that the US and NATO would leave, reconstruction would not succeed - and when they left the Taliban would come back and kill everyone who had collaborated(threat in a night letter.) I am hoping that the 4,000 additional trainers will do a proper job of training - their military culture and attitude are somewhat different from ours which is much more experienced in this type of task. The same applies to their attitudes in terms of police and prison rules compared to the RCMP, Corrections Canada, and the military police.
  56. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes:
    Her usual happy talk.
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    wikipedia tells me, we have about 2,300 troops in Af-stan.

    That's about one solder per word from your daily propaganda.
  57. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Ben Franklin from Ottawa - that's nice - but did wikipedia tell you how many CIDA staff, foreign affairs staff, RCMP, Canadian Corrections staff and military police we have there? They are doing much of the work with the people while the troops provide the security. Many of those troops are also support troops that keep equipment running, supplies moving etc. They are not all combat troops. And you can deride by comments, but the fact of the matter is that the troops and PRT staff should be acknowledged for the work they are doing which is what people here seem to want - winning minds and hearts. Ultimately, it will be winning the support of the local Afghans that will determine the future - not negotiations with the Taliban. And Kandahar is the key - if it falls apart there, the odds are against the Afghans throughout. Our troops are in the most vital area and doing excellent work and deserve to have people acknowledge that and not just their deaths which by themselves mean little.
  58. Ben Franklin from Ottawa, Canada writes: Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes:
    Our troops are in the most vital area and doing excellent work and deserve to have people acknowledge that and not just their deaths which by themselves mean little.
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    Our troops went there to appease George Bush.
    Now, they are keeping the yanks happy, so their congress don't pass any really stupid things that would negative affect the Canadian economy.
  59. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: Catherine - you have said all this before and you're patience is to be admired -or is it that your military sources demand that you post their take on the situation in Afghanistan? You sound like military mouthpiece when you discard the idea of negotiations with the Taleban . At least the Afghan government and officials throughout the country are seriously considering that option which to my mind has to happen sooner or later. The longer we use force the longer we will have to stay ... if I am reading you right, I don't suppose you are looking forward to the new influx of American troops who are dying (no pun intended) to show the Coalition forces how to wipe out the Taleban in short order. There are still lessons to be learned evidently about the resilience of Afghans who do not tolerate foreign intervention and occupation of Afghanistan.
  60. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: DAVID DIVER - nobody tells me what to post - with 6 decades under my belt I have my own views. Others may not agree with them but I post what I believe and what I learn through constant research. Canadian PRT staff (not just our troops) distinguish between what they call tier 1 Taliban - the committed fighters- and tier 2 who fight part time to earn money etc. but are not committed Taliban. Efforts are made to find ways to employ the latter group and retain them in the community - with some success. Combat alone will not defeat the Taliban - but building community capacity and the confidence of the people that there government can meet their needs in the long term is ultimately what will defeat the Taliban. That is why they have worked so hard to undermine any progress being made by the government and the people to improve daily life in Afghanistan. That is why they threaten, attack soft targets and use information operations to erode government authority and control.
  61. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: Catherine - how do you build the confidence of the people when the usual US tactics result in civilians being killed needlessly? How many times have the US denied culpability only to admit later on that perhaps there were civilian casualties? I'll ask you more directly this time - what is your expectations regarding the influx of more American troops, the regular use of drones which have killed more civilians than militants and of the avowed intention expressed by Obama to defeat the Taleban militarily?

    You say "That is why they have worked so hard to undermine any progress being made by the government and the people to improve daily life in Afghanistan. That is why they threaten, attack soft targets and use information operations to erode government authority and control."

    In other words, precisely what you would expect from any insurgency or guerilla force fighting a multiplicity of foreign forces propping up the Karzai government. Karzai's swift retreat on the proposed law is a clear indication of the fragility of his position - his benefactors from the West are displeased and he is forced to retract the proposed legislation. Lesson learned?

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