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Afghan children likely killed by Taliban IED: military

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Officials admit they're still struggling to understand the outburst of anti-Canadian sentiment touched off by the tragedy ...Read the full article

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  1. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Of course Roskell - everyone lies except you. The local authorities were saying the same thing much earlier than this announcement by the CF. But you desperately want to pin the blame on Canadian troops for anything and everything. A booby trap consisting of old munitions in a place where the Canadian troops were know to conduct these drills - in area the Taliban are known to frequent. That cannot possibly be the truth. You are the propaganda king.
  2. harry carnie from Northern,B.C., Canada writes: With the additional troops provided by President Obama ...perhaps training and assisting will allow the Afghans to be able to govern their own country.
    Allowing foreign troops to leave.

    This should have been done BEFORE the U.S. started the useless Iraqi war..but that is all water under the bridge...........contending effectively with the situation AS IT NOW EXISTS is the goal.
  3. Comments closed, censored, hidden, deleted, disappeared from Mini Bush-Obamatieff village, Canada writes: "The explosion that killed three Afghan children last week was the work of the Taliban and not Canada's fault, say military officials who admit they're still struggling to understand the outburst of anti-Canadian sentiment touched off by the tragedy." -- Well... are there not, even among the Afghan population, realities like: 1. past experience, 2. memory, and.... what some call 3. ensuing "credibility gaps", at least some of the time? --- Personally, I am "still struggling to understand" what is the point of playing dumb, after so long and given what the whole world knows by now, including at least some of us, Canadians.
  4. Maria Vincante from Canada writes: Much better story when we though Canada was responsible, as noted by the mass coverage CBC gave to this story, and has given since the clarification (none).

    Also, it would have been a better story if Jews or George W Bush could some how wear the blame for this.

    It is always a crowd pleaser for the left when Jews are put in their place.

    Is any one else surprised that Jewish students are still aloud to attend canadian colleges and uni's.
  5. james p from Canada writes: 'struggling to understand'? it's a battle zone. stuff happens. maybe start making more stuff happen to the Taliban than they're making happen. seven years, 8 billion dollars and these people are 'struggling to understand'? they're starting to sound like they're in over their heads.
  6. james p from Canada writes: can we stop talking about how bad the Taliban are and just find a way to beat them? can our generals do that?
  7. comrade canuck from Canada writes: I wonder if this village is in the path of the "secret" pipeline? That must be why the canadian soldiers are leaving unexploded ordinance lying around for children to play with. Children die, villagers move way, pipeline gets built. It's true! Anyone who disagrees with me is a neo-con.
  8. Joe Dick from Kingston, Canada writes: Who would have guessed...the Taliban blow up children. Weird.

    Poor Richard Roskell, maybe next time.
  9. Not PC from Canada writes: You must live in quite a world of paranoia and conspiracy comrade canuck. I expect you scurry every time you notice a panel van parked on your street.
  10. Joseph Bloggins from Canada writes: Richard Roskell is once again railing against the Canadian military. It is most unfortunate that the sacrifices of our troops also go to protect vermin like Roskell. During WWII, someone like Roskell would rightly most likely be considered to be treasonous.

    As for the matter at hand, it was a virtual certainty that the "outrage" was crafted deliberately because the Taliban knows that much of the western media is more than willing to be the propaganda arm for the Taliban.

    Oh and harry carnie....the Iraq war was anything but useless. Maybe one day you will be able to connect the dots. But as a start, I would suggest you look a bit deeper into what you think you know about the Iraq war.
  11. Nick Wright from Halifax, Canada writes: Whoops, looks like the earlier batch of comments got too hairy and had to be removed.

    Well, to reiterate: It doesn't matter in the slightest what "we" believe happened; it's what the Afghan villagers (and through them the rest of the country) believe.

    Here in Canada we are very dubious when agencies investigate themselves; how much more so must that be the case in Afghanistan when foreign armies investigate themselves and exonerate themselves. Afghans weren't born yesterday.

    The CF is closing down the firing range, a tacit admission that it was a mistake to locate a firing range for explosive amunition close enough to a village that young children can wander into it, looking for salable scrap metal.
  12. comrade canuck from Canada writes: Not PC from Canada writes: "You must live in quite a world of paranoia and conspiracy comrade canuck. I expect you scurry every time you notice a panel van parked on your street."

    Nonsense. Comrade Canuck knows that the CIA does not use "panel vans parked on street corners" . They actually use space based satellite spy cameras.

    Just ask Yvonne Wangernackel. The CIA has been watching her for years, ever since she found out the truth about the "secret" pipeline.
  13. John Kanuck from Canada writes: It does not surprise me in the least the the first post of this story is from Richard Roskell.

    Nor does it surprise me that he is rallying directly against the CF and the General quoted, and indirectly in support of the Taliban.
  14. Robert Loblaw from Canada writes: While I (and I'm sure most Canadians) lament the loss of life of people so young, and do not attribute their deaths to any involvment in the insurgency, I couldn't help noticing the quote in the article:

    "The father of one of the victims lamented the loss of his eldest son, 13-year-old Sadar Mohammed, who was engaged to be married and intended to help support his family."

    An interesting comment that helps shed light on the differences in cultures.

    Clearly, the age at which this culture considers its children old enough to enter into adutlhood is different than it is in western cultures. It also comments on the contention that a 15 year old is a "child soldier".

    Apparently, the Afghans do not consider a 13 year old to be a child.

    Perhaps we should judge them according to their own criteria.

  15. Neamiah Scudder from Canada writes: People wonder why the villagers had no problem blaming Canada - it seems like a certain segment of Canadians are all too ready to believe the worst about our country and our soldiers, so maybe the villagers are Liberals (or worse, whatever Roskell is...)
  16. s like from Flatland, Canada writes: It's not hard to understand at all.

    This is a terrible tragedy - someone lost a child!! All it would have taken was a Taliban sympathizer to simply whisper "it was the Canadians fault, it was a Canadian bomb" and that's all anyone would have needed to hear.

    When you're angry and in pain, your first instinct is to look for someone to blame and who better than foreigners.
  17. The Phantom from Canada writes: This is Canadian war propaganda at it's finest. Why should we believe it was an IED? Oh that's right the army tells us so. Pure pablum for the credulous. Disgusting.

    GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW.
  18. Sassy Lassie from Canada writes:
    The MSM basically took Taliban propaganda and reported it as news, I had no doubts what so ever that Canada wasn't behind those childrens' deaths. I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban butchered them for a PRESS OP, there is no level of deviance and depravity these men won't sink to to achieve success.
  19. Merely an Observer from Canada writes: Come on Globe, only taliban propaganda will suffice for Phantom!
  20. glen armstrong from summerside, Canada writes: The cynicism and hatred displayed in some of these posts are incredible. The origin of the explosive device is immaterial. The Canadian troops used this area for exercises involving explosives. Whether we left behind a Canadian device or one from another source doesn't matter. We obviously didn't "sweep" the area. We were presumably in charge, yet we allowed children to wander about unchecked. What were we doing conducting exercises so close to civilians? The fact that we will no longer use the area for weapons-practice tells a lot.
    I thought we were there to protect innocent civilians. The military appears to believe if it wasn't our explosive, the calamity was not our fault. I say it WAS our fault, and Canada should be ashamed. A few Afghan lives can be snuffed out with a shrug, and some posters see the parents as money grubbers. Do such cynics ever look at their own children? Is western love deeper?
  21. The Phantom from Canada writes: @Glen Armstrong

    Right on.
  22. Al B from Canada writes: Blame the victims, it's the Canadian way.
  23. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: glen armstrong - would you still say that if this had not taken place where the Canadians regularly have done these drills? The country is littered with old munitions, they cannot be held responsible for every time one explodes. The death of a child would upset our troops as well - many are parents themselves.

    So many are so ready to judge Canadian troops but give the Taliban a pass - pathetic. And of course no Afghan would be interested in being 'compensated' by the Canadians. Even the local authorities have said from early on that the Canadians were not at fault.

    Also, the Taliban do not seem to be concerned by civilian deaths and have caused many - including children. They beheaded a 10 year old boy for giving food to a police officer - when the father objected they hung him. They throw acid in girls faces for going to school. They also have hesitation in using civilian deaths for propaganda purposes - aided and abetted by many Canadians who buy it hook, line and sinker.
  24. harry carnie from Northern,B.C., Canada writes: Golly............Great to know the Afghan parents
    are following "Western ways".
    You do NOT teach your children NOT TO TOUCH dangerous items.
    When they do ....you blame everyone in the neighborhood........sounds familiar?..IT SHOULD!
  25. Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: I find it just as bad that some will give our military a clean pass as much as those who are blaming them. Having been an Ammo tech (EOD cert) I know that the CF should have been able to determine fairly conclusively what caused the blast. this assuming that evidence still remains of course.

    Also having played a part in the Somalia inquiry I know all too well how good our CF leaders are at covering up when they want to. I saw plenty of things over the course of 20 years that some of you can't possibly imagine we get involved with.

    Having said that, I tend to trust our current military a bit more than I would the locals in Afghanistan. But I am not prepared to dismiss their claims and there are some rather open ended claims being made by our CF officers that are reminiscent of things I have heard in the past.

    I think people should be keeping an open mind on both sides of this issue. Don't automatically suspect our leaders are beyond reproach, I assure you they are not. They're pretty darn good at covering their own butts when they need to.
  26. A Canadian from GTA, Canada writes: I was going to say something about Richard Roskell's usual propoganda, but I see lots of people beat me to it.
  27. A Canadian from GTA, Canada writes: Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, I always enjoy reading your post. I find them always insightful and you have done your research about this problem.

    Keep posting, we need more like you to expose Roskell's lies and propoganda.
  28. Robert Loblaw from Canada writes: Sassy Lassie - I'd hate to think the Taliban are capable of such depravity as to murder children for a photo op, but there's no question that the Islamist community in the east has learned to capitalize on the west's naivete. Their manipulation of the MSM is evident. Numerous "negative" press events that were attributed to Israel during their mix up in Lebanon a couple of summers ago were proved to be total fabrications. Unfortunately, neither the liberal media or the legions of anti Israel banner wavers care to hear the truth. Witness the upcoming Israel Apartheid Week festivities. If Jewish students demonized Iran for example, the Muslim community would riot in the streets. Can you imagine an anti Islam week in the universities, replete with nasty photos of Mohamed? And lets not kid ourselves, Israel Apartheid Week is really anti-semite week, notwithstanding the left's claim that being against Israeli policy isn't anti-Jewish, and notwithstanding their presentation of several Jews who denounce Israel as support for their contention. I'll never understand the west's sympathy for the mysoginistic liars and murderers and their tenth century view of the world. Are we set to go down in history as the useful idiots described by Vlad. Lenin as we slowly succumb?
  29. Luke R from Toronto, Canada writes: looks like the politically correct gestapo at the G&M deleted my previous post so i'll say it again. the fact that the afghan villagers were only too ready to blame canadians and not the taliban shows just what a waste of Cdn life, time and money this so called mission is. these people don't appreciate what we are doing and couldn't care less about our help. let's get out of there NOW and let them all rot. the avg afghani supports the taliban or at least tolerates them.
  30. jeff franklin from Canada writes:
    'We must destroy Afghanistan to save it'.

    Afghanistan: Graveyard of Invaders for Millennia.

    Bring 'em on!
  31. The Iconoclast from Canada writes: It really doesn't matter where the bombs came from. The fact that Canada got the blame means that we have already lost the war in winning their hearts and minds.
  32. glen armstrong from Summerside, Canada writes: Catherine Medernach, keep on posting, by all means, but at least read the article, and try not to twist my words. While I never suggested the people who lead our troops can be blamed for explosions ANYWHERE in Afghanistan, I would expect them to be able to protect civilians in an area we supposedly control __ an area which, incidentally, has been used to house "maimed and handicapped" Afghanis. But not too successfully.
    And please don't corrupt my words to make me sound like a Taliban supporter. You may be happy comparing our moderate (by comparison) possible missteps to those of Taliban members who appear to have no regard for anybody beyond their circle -- even fellow Afghans. "Better than the Taliban" may make you swell with pride, and defend the indefensible, but I'm not proud to think we can shrug off innocents' deaths, for which I hope you see us at least partly responsible. Less cruel than these thugs does not make us praiseworthy protectors of the innocent. Will you defend ALL Nato actions as some patriotic gesture?
  33. paul gill from Canada writes: The "story" here is not the deaths of the three children, tragic as that may be (many Afghani children have died, some as the result of the Taliban's actions, and others by NATO-ISAF actions). No, the "story" is that we have been losing the "hearts and minds" of Afghani civilians for some time, and that there has been a gradual but steady erosion of their trust in NATO-ISAF through the use of our tactics. These of course include the use of field guns, aerial bombardment, and drone-fired missiles, all of which have at various times inflicted enormous harm and suffering upon the civilian population. Please note that the Taliban have been regrouping, and gathering strength not in a vacuum, but through living amongst the very people that we are trying to "win over" (they are in fact made up from the very same populations that we profess to be helping, but are in fact alienating). While the Taliban are not by any means universally-embraced, and are in many areas feared and loathed, NATO-ISAF has also worn out its welcome, and the locals simply don't believe in us as "benevolent occupiers" anymore. They see us as a part of their larger problem, and they do not trust us. The ordnance that killed those children may have been Taliban-planted; it may have been either old Soviet ordnance or newer NATO stuff, but to the locals it doesn't matter at this point. They are going to continue to look beyond the particular facts of each individual circumstance, and simply deny us the benefit of the doubt. A proper example would be to observe how certain minority populations view their local police forces, in places such as South Central Los Angeles, New Orleans, Miami-Dade County, and in other large, urban areas. It is NOT the fact that these agencies are actively trying to hurt the locals, but through misguided policies and practices they have alienated whole swaths of the population. The same thing is going on in Afghanistan. And once the trust is gone, it's very hard to get it back.
  34. paul gill from Canada writes: "Iconoclast from Canada": elegantly spoken. You managed to say in two sentences what I needed a whole paragraph to express!
  35. Al B from Canada writes: Robert Loblaw, wrong topic, take your propaganda to the National Post.
  36. K Ordos from Canada writes: The villagers blame Canadians because they don't want Canadians there. Why should we bother helping and supporting a pack of primates who clearly don't want our help. The heck with them. Glass the area and let their God sort them out.
  37. Edmond Léger from Acadie, Canada writes: If Canadians weren't there, Canadians wouldn't get blamed.

    Time to leave. It's futile. Even mr. Harper now openly admits it, for heaven's sake. He will now have to admit that every future canadian death is a waste.
  38. Edmond Léger from Acadie, Canada writes: "Glass the area and let their God sort them out", says Ordos.

    Would that be men, women and children ?
  39. james c from Canada writes: catherine medernach, good posts.
  40. james c from Canada writes: Norm Jom from Petawawa, Canada writes: I find it just as bad that some will give our military a clean pass as much as those who are blaming them. Having been an Ammo tech (EOD cert) I know that the CF should have been able to determine fairly conclusively what caused the blast. this assuming that evidence still remains of course.

    Also having played a part in the Somalia inquiry I know all too well how good our CF leaders are at covering up when they want to.
    -----

    you would also have to admit that one of the biggest lessons learned that came out of somalia was this: dont cover things up. today's CF has been very open about many things. not everything mind you, but the public doesnt (despite what the detractors on here claim) have the right to know everything at the time it happens. security concerns for out forces in theatre trump the publics right to know some things.
  41. Peter Kells from Bytown, Canada writes: As the old dictum goes ....."The first victim in war is the truth". We will never know what really happened here until the war is over and there are no vested interests. Until then ....blah...blah...blah.

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