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Fate of budget, coalition in Ignatieff's hands

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  1. sveneggs blogspot from nanaimo, Canada writes: Harper is a two faced opportunist who has no credibility what so ever. Please Canada do the right thing and bring on real change. Yes We Can!!!
  2. BUB SLUG from Beautifull B.C., Canada writes: I don`t trust Harper,
    Did you ever notice he can`t look you in the eye when talking to you?
    Never trust a person who can`t look you in the eye when talking to you,
  3. J M from Calgaristan, Canada writes: From the sound of the budget and the fact that Harper is doing exactly what Ignatieff warned against doing consider the government to have fallen.
    The Liberal budget will be at the printers before the end of the week and the GG has already been asked to postpone her trip later this week to deal with the oncoming fall of the Conservative government.
    It's over, finally over.
  4. David Wei from Richmond Hill, Canada writes: I agree with the budget plan, it can save our economy. We have no time to waste now.
  5. Ken Mosby from Nanaimo, Canada writes: Bub Slug...so when was the last time you had a conversation with Stephen Harper?
  6. Wilf Kruggel from Canada writes: This budget is a complete budget for all Canadians. The most shameful aspect to this budget is that Layton and his goons in his corner are voting against it. Really, the country can get along, just fine without them. The've backed themselves into their corner and now it appears that they're going to crap into their nest. Why don't they just move to Russia and then they will be among their kind. Hopefully, the electorate will remember this day, Good riddance to them, Wilf
  7. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Iggy will huff and puff and then let the budget pass. Number 44 and counting.
    LOL
  8. Sick of the Coalition of the Shrilling from Victoria, Canada writes: This was so predictable that it hardly deserves to be called 'news'. The NDP can only see the dream of power and the Bloc can only dream of behind the scenes control. Neither has any interest in the country at all (the Bloc formally doesn't), just a power grab that would never happen otherwise. That leaves it up to Iggy to prop up the government.

    Let's see, he will hold his nose and vote for it because it is better than an election even though it is terribly flawed and there's no way to know for sure that the coalition of the shrilling would get to govern. Oops, I guess I should have waited until that comes out later. It's also a bit predictable.
  9. Wulfher SkullSplitter from Canada writes: Good Bye, Mr. Harper.
  10. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Wulfher SkullSplitter from Canada writes: 'Good Bye, Mr. Harper. '

    Where are you going?
  11. Mr Mysterious from What a Joke, Canada writes: Budget does SQUAT for me.
    Income tax cuts are great when you have a job
  12. The Real PS from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Wulfher SkullSplitter from Canada writes: 'Good Bye, Mr. Harper. '

    Where are you going?
    .
    Great post p.
    .
    Don't you love all these brilliant lefties who know so much more than all the economists, of all political stripes, who have contributed to the creation of this.
    .
    Yet, wait, not one of then has suggested what they would do. Odd that.
  13. Ferris Bueller from Bragg Creek, Canada writes: So Duceppe and Layton continue to fiddle while Canada burns. Fortunately, Mr Ignatieff has more sense than that.
  14. gary wilson from Calgary, writes: Can't the rest of the Conservatives form a coalition with all the opposition parties and essentially just separate Parliment from Harper?

    I'm sure the majority of Canadians and opposition party MPs would be okay in the time of crisis if the Conservatives continued to govern, so long as it was without Harper.

    Worst PM ever.
  15. Rob Scott from Canada writes:
    So let the Liberals sleep on it. - pleasant dreams Mr. Ignatieff and company...

    And when you wake up get busy and put an end the nightmare of the last three years.

    Canadians deserve better than this collection of neo-conservative thugs disguised as the venerable PC Party.

    Sleep and awake refreshed...
  16. R. M. from Regina, Canada writes: Well it doesn't take long for the name calling and mud slinging to hit the G&M forums.

    I am hoping for some reasoned discussion about the budget initiatives.

    Myself, I feel we put too much faith and confidence in government and look to government too much. Let's face it, we need two things the most in order to finance our social programs. We need income (personal and corporate) and we need spending. Simple. The government's job is to help create/support the type of regulatory/taxation environment to make that happen.

    What we are seeing now in the economy is not the creation of the Harper conservatives but is a global recession which was kicked off the lack of proper regulation in the American financial markets and followed by a meltdown in commodity prices which of course Canada is highly dependent upon. To suggest that the crisis in the auto industry is Canadian made is to be truly blinded by one's political ideology.

    We need less partisanship and more cooperation. We do not need parties telling us they will vote against a budget before they even read it. We need them to make meaningful, realistic amendments rather than vacuuous statements. I know that is asking alot from politicians but that's what we need.

    We need a government that truly reflects the broader interests of the country and not just it's own political party members recognizing of course that there are differences and that the electors are the final arbitrators of that.

    But then again, I don't have all the facts or information and there is much more to this world than is dreamt of in my philosophy.
  17. Joseph Bloggins from Canada writes: When one sees the kind of mess the union mentality is causing in situations such as the Ottawa transit strike and what is going on at York, and as Big Labour is part of the DNA of the radical left in the NDP and the Marxist separatist Bloc, it is easy to imagine the profound negative impact the Bolshevik coalition would unleash on the Canadian economy if given the chance. Anybody who would go along with that sort of destructive thinking needs to have their head examined.
  18. Reg Volk from Kelowna, Canada writes: I do not see much here for the new homeowner with a big mortgage and lost jobs. If they are paying $1500 for their mortgage, where will the money come from. EI?-not likely. There will need to be more direct intervention in the banking sector so people do not lose their homes. This is reality as U.S. problems are catching up to us now.

    The U.S. is putting $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) immediately into their economy. By comparison, Canada with one tenth of the U.S. population should be putting something close to 100, 000, 000, 000 (one hundred billion).

    Instead,we are starting with 34 billion sometime? this year and up to 85 billion in total in the next FIVE years.

    And much of it having to be matched by provinces and municipalities who will only have to raise taxes. This will simply counter any federal tax cuts.

    Seems startling doesn't it? But in many ways too little and too late.

    And it seems if governments had played their real role in years past and invested when they should have, we would not be in this mess
  19. martha stewart from Canada writes: Ooooh... suspense!!! We all know what iggi's going to do. What drama for nothing. But I guess it makes iggi feel more important and gives the Dead Coalition Cult a few more hours of fantasies.
  20. rahim ladha from montreal, Canada writes: Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe thinks coalition is better option, of course he thinks that, so he can become the coalition puppetmaster........

    Coalition of the minority has not produced a budget of its own to show how different their possible stimulus can be,,,,so how can the separatist just vote this budget down which has ample stimulus for Quebec and every other province...
  21. Ewen Lasalle from Red Deer, Canada writes: only in canada would seperatists want to form a government for a country they want to leave...How very very Monty Python chumps the lot of them
  22. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Rob Scott from Canada writes:
    'So let the Liberals sleep on it. - pleasant dreams Mr. Ignatieff and company...'

    Remember that Meatloaf song 'Paradise by the Dashboard Light'. You know the one that goes 'let me sleep on it.' Well, like Meatloaf, Ignatieff's already made up his mind. He's jumping into bed with Harper. Figuratively speaking, of course.
  23. Heidi Weber from Canada writes: Layton lost his last shred of credibility by saying he would vote against the budget even before it was tabled. What a hypocrite - he criticizes Harper for hanging on to power when he would dance a jig to get a little power himself. God - where is our Obama?
  24. Joel Parkes from Peterborough, Canada writes: I'm certain that there are good minds within the CPC and that they have the capability to draft a budget that is helpful to all Canadians but the issue here is trust. Harper acted so recklessly when he thought he had an 'essence' of a majority. How can anyone trust this man now? At the first opportunity he will implement the Reform agenda that keeps his coalition together and then we will all be wishing we got the coalition when we had the chance. It's not about capability, it's about trust. Bring him down.
  25. pole cat from Canada writes: Well theres the budget lefties you got what you were crying for now, the ball is in your court.I dare them to defeat it lol.
  26. C D from BC, Canada writes: The socialists are crying about a socialist budget? That is too funny.
  27. John H from Barrie, Canada writes: I will not respect a party that was not voted in.
  28. Ken Moody from Canada writes: I'm no fan of Harper, or deficit budgets, but the self-serving position of Layton (just give more to government workers) and the Bloc and their 'National' Assembly, only how it relates to Quebec is disgusting. If you really want to leave Bloc, please, please try again. No more Meech ado about nothing- the country might support you this time, so no more freebie handouts and Parliamentary sabotage. Allez, allez.

    And Layton, I'm a retired federal employee and recognize that workers are upset with recent Harper moves. But we fared much better than the average Joe in this crisis, certainly with secured pensions. So if your DElusions of grandeur still see you as a leader, get a new songbook.
  29. A reader from Canada writes: The NDPers are at it again, that is, they rather destruct than construct. The Bloc's only intent is to break away from Canada in the long term and in the short term to black mail the rest of Canada into giving them more financial aid
    Yes Wilf Kruggel, Russia would be a good place for Layton and his kind as they have the mind set of a communist party.
    I don't see how Ignatieff cannot support this budget. All the comments I've heard by analysts, the business community and the electorate have been positive. Please remember no budget could possibily satisfy all the electorate.
  30. Mach Machiavelli from Lethbridge, Canada writes: Come on Ignatieff, throw the bumbs out now, otherwise we are stuck with these thugs.
  31. Rob Scott from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Rob Scott from Canada writes:
    'So let the Liberals sleep on it. - pleasant dreams Mr. Ignatieff and company...'

    Remember that Meatloaf song 'Paradise by the Dashboard Light'. You know the one that goes 'let me sleep on it.' Well, like Meatloaf, Ignatieff's already made up his mind. He's jumping into bed with Harper. Figuratively speaking, of course.

    *************

    Yikes! Now there's an nasty image!

    That's enough to give anybody a nightmare...

    :)
  32. Andrew B. from Canada writes:
    I would never attempt to predict what Ignatieff will do tomorrow, however:

    Following the coverage of this, I haven't heard one elected official who represents constituent electors - other than Conservatives - have anything positive to say about this budget.

    David Miller, mayor of Toronto was just on CBC and expressed great disappointment that the budget 'does not protect the most vulnerable' and does not provide effective usable infrastructure assistance. He said these were clear criteria which mayors of the 10 largest Canadian cities had previously indicated to the Harper government.

    I find it quite significant the the mayors of the 10 largest Canadian cities would be disappointed in the direction of relief proposed by such a large deficit budget.
  33. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Rob Scott,
    LOL! Sorry for the image. I just scared myself!
  34. Geoffrey May from Canada writes: Ignatieff has two choices , vote down the budget , or return to his Ivory Towers .If he accepts this budget , he'll never be Prime Minister.
  35. Ob Server from Canada writes: This is a good budget and no doubt it will pass. And thats a good thing. Over the past 6 weeks I have come to realize how bad a mistake it would have been to activate a coalition mainly because of Jack Layton. It's obvious now that Jack will do and say anything to have some power...anything. And that would not be good for Canada. The BQ is irrelevant so I don't care what they do....they're neutralized.
    This budget is as good as Canada can put out at this time. It's not perfect but it's enough and will be further tweeked as the weeks pass. The important thing is and Iggy knows this...the taps have to be opened right now and so I support it.
  36. Canada 1 from Montreal, Canada writes: pole cat from Canada writes: Well theres the budget lefties you got what you were crying for now, the ball is in your court.I dare them to defeat it lol.

    Lets..............NOT.

    We are in the 2nd inning of this Wall Street inflicted fiasco,
    by the summertime the unemployment rate will be at 8%,
    business/personal bankruptcies will be rampant.............
    and who you you think the Canadian voter, with his/hers
    constantly disappointing wisdom will blame for it?

    Harper and the Conservatives.

    Let them sweat for a while. There will be an other day to fight.....

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  37. al near lake huron . from Canada writes: why is the 200B to the banks not included in the deficit ?
    they say 64B, but out of the gates 200B goes to banks?
  38. Canada 1 from Montreal, Canada writes: Greg Out West from Canada writes: You said that all 10 mayors of the 10 largest cities were disappointed ? I've only heard from the dope running Toronto and no amount of money would ever satisfy that pig. I didn't realize the other 9 were dissapointed or did you just make that up ?

    Mayors are constantly disappointed since the cities are a provincial
    jurisdiction, thus all $$$ has to be transferred to the provinces and
    it is up to them to distribute the $$$ any way they see fit.

    No doubt there will be a lot of new water fountains and hockey rings
    built in Quebec, obviously in strategic riding's at the governments
    discretion.

    Which means Montreal will get a big fat 0.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  39. Spencer C from Canada writes: How anyone can support a party that rejected a budget sight unseen is beyond me.

    Ignatieff isn't dumb, he knows that both Layton and Duxeppe are drooling at the prospect of a coalition because they know it is the closest they will ever get to power.

    The Liberals on the other hand are only a matter of months away from another shot at power and they aren't going to let the two most anti-Canada parties in Parliament (NDP & Bloc) call the shots.
  40. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: I am shocked, nay dismayed that Gilles Duceppe won't support anything, makes me wonder what Taliban Jack had promised. Oh so sorry that Cabinet and Senate seats are not in reach? What a cabal if fools, only this time Canadians can spot the hungry wolves. Oh hello Gilles not enough cash to you and yours, allons-y you fool!!!
  41. Pete H from Canada writes: The coalition was dead the minute Iggy was annointed. If there was a functioning coalition they would have made a joint statement on the budget. Iggy and the liberals will vote to support the budget and claim, to the delight of the liberal sheeples, that it is truely a liberal budget, and that it was the liberals who brought that bad bad man to his senses. Hear Hear, yea liberals.
  42. Larry Hill from Canada writes: Iggy has already said that Canada needs another election like ' a hole in the head'.

    I am sure that there has been contact made behind the scenes to ensure that the Liberals get the nod for a few goodies that they can point to as a result of holding the PMs feet to the fire.

    I said this a month ago, the Liberals will pretend to hold their nose but they will allow this to pass.
  43. Canada 1 from Montreal, Canada writes: al near lake huron . from Canada writes: why is the 200B to the banks not included in the deficit ?
    they say 64B, but out of the gates 200B goes to banks?

    Since it is not a expenditure, but rather a loan secured by assets
    such as mortgages and car loans, which the government will
    make a decent profit on at maturity.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  44. Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: Is it not amazing what a coalition in waiting can do for the voter. This budget for the people would have never come about without a threat from the opposition. Canadians can give Mr Dion some credit for this budget.
    Mr Harper did the right thing and ignored his Conserative base and listened to the voters. Thank You Mr Harper and The GG who probably forced his hand. Co-operate or lose it she probably said. Now if he can keep his word it will be a happier country.
  45. Ned Chiwalski from Canada writes: The budget balances tax cuts with spending increases. No budget from any political party in this messed up country will satisfy everyone. The fact that little layton doesn't like it, is a good indicater that it is a good budget for normal Canadians.
  46. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: I hope Ignatieff will take the Liberals against this budget. The infrastructure conditions alone should kill it. Of course, Harper has already spun his lines out to the electorate and will portray this as the opposition parties voting down a budget that contains everything they asked for :) Michaelle Jean's going to find the big bully sitting in her parlour again.
  47. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Anyone who really believes that Liberal, NDP and BQ leaders are working in your best interests, please raise your hands. I can't really see your hands but I doubt there were many. Simple questions to ask are:

    - Do Liberals/NDP have better plans than conservatives? Do they know something that the rest of us don't?
    - Are Liberals/NDP truly ready to lead this nation (a word that we don't use enough)?
    - What happens if we do not like the Liberal/NDP budget?

    The issue with the current situation is that we do not find out if LNDP (my own term, BQ is irrelevant in TO) will do any better until the government has already fallen. If their offer sucks we are still stuck with them. In the interest of the nation I hope the GG has an option to do the right thing (I don't know if she does) - put reps from each party in a room and ask them to figure out a budget that really works for the nation. This is not the time for divisiveness. Lets find out the best solution for Canadians, not for these politicians.
  48. John Buie from Edmonton, Canada writes: So predictable! NDP & BLOC whine and cry that the budget doesn't go far enough. The National Disaster Party will never be in power and the closest they can hope to come to this is by going to bed with the Liberals/Bloc. The Bloc know that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so...complain enough and more money gets thrown their way- at least they are upfront about their self-interests. As to the Liberals- they have to analyze the budget overnight (yeah right)- come tomorrow they will say the budget didn't go far enough, etc. etc. but will then abstain from voting against the budget (for the time being) with hopes Ignatieff can gain some national exposure and in time develop an alternative to Harper. Message to politicians- quit the petty politics and do what's right for Canada- we need to work collectively on our problems. Budget may not be perfect, but its a start!
  49. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: Geoffrey May from Canada writes: Ignatieff has two choices , vote down the budget , or return to his Ivory Towers .If he accepts this budget , he'll never be Prime Minister.

    ================

    I agree with you. The only way the Liberals can vote for a budget is if it substantially complies with their stated conditions. This document seems to have too many conditions attached to infrastructure spending and tax cuts to the wrong people (people like me who have some spending money, luckily). It would have to be very, very close to what Ignatieff said he wanted to see. Otherwise, if he votes for it, he will be perceived as another Dion by Harper.
  50. scsi duck from Canada writes: Oh Bloggins, I really do relish reading those posts of yours. It's like what would happen if we had internet forums in the McCarthy 1950s.
  51. Ned Chiwalski from Canada writes: Iggy is hooped. He has to support this budget or else he will send this country deeper into a resession and possibly a depression. There is little to no chance that the coalition will ever sit in govt (sorry commrade layton).
    As as Iggy mentioned, Canadians need another election like a hole in the head. And if we end up with a libby govt, the hole in the head will look pretty appealing!
  52. Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: We are all Broken from Van, Canada writes: Well at least the Liberal whore party gets to keep its $1.95 per vote political welfare.'''-----

    I wonder how much your refund was for your donation? Have you totaled up the tax credits plus the $1.95 that was given to Con supporters.
  53. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: 'I hope Ignatieff will take the Liberals against this budget.'

    I think that Ignatieff knows that there would be serious implications if he supported the coalition. The long term damage to the Liberals in Western Canada and with centrist voters will cause him to vote in favour of it or abstain. People have focused on the optics of being supported by the BQ, but the real danger for the Liberals is alligning themselves with the NDP. They will have then surrendered the centre to the CPC.
  54. Pete H from Canada writes: Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: Is it not amazing what a coalition in waiting can do for the voter. This budget for the people would have never come about without a threat from the opposition. Canadians can give Mr Dion some credit for this budget.

    Thats what should result from an effective opposition. Where was Dion and the Liberals for the previous two and a half years? Sitting on their hands and opposing through the back door with the liberal dominated senate. The coalition was a one trick pony for the liberals. So what will Iggy and the liberals do for an encore. Not much until they can build a war chest.
  55. bob saunders from Belleville, ON, Canada writes: Reg Volk from Kelowna, Canada writes: I do not see much here for the new homeowner with a big mortgage and lost jobs. If they are paying $1500 for their mortgage, where will the money come from. EI?-not likely. There will need to be more direct intervention in the banking sector so people do not lose their homes. This is reality as U.S. problems are catching up to us now.
    -------------------------------- So you would have the government put us farther into debt like the Americans- Our problem although large and going to grow are still much smaller than the Americans. As far as people loosing their homes- yes there will be some, but I haven't heard that it is a big problem here yet. Tell me what you would have the government do. They've bought A huge amount of the CMHC insured home which would probably be the majority of homes defaulting on their mortgages. This gives the governments control over what to do when people default. I get very little out of this Budget but it will be good to my 3 sons.
  56. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: Mr. Ignatieef's Likely Reply Tomorrow:

    I wouild like to first give the Conservatives credit. They have come a long way from their trivial 'economic statement' and the budget includes many measures which we support.

    But it fails the fundamental test: Does it provide sufficient help to those that need it the most, fast enough?

    For example, the budget does not extend eligibility to employment insurance, leaving 600,000 jobless Canadians out of luck. It fails to provide sufficient help to the working poor, to seniors on pensions and to Aboriginals. And it provides tax breaks to upper income Canadians which make for a structural deficit, something Mr. Harper promised to avoid.

    For these reasons, while we will vote for this budget at this stage, we will also consult with the NDP and the Bloc to form proposed amendments. If the Conservatives refuse to accept these amendments, the combined opposition will express non-confidence.

    At that point, Mr. Layton and I will ask the Governor General for the opportunity to form a new government. Canadians don't want a fourth election in five years. The coalition alternative will result in faster, more focussed and effective stimulus measures for the betterment of those most in need. And provide at least 18 months of stable government, something Mr. Harper simply can't do.
  57. Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: When will the dump Harper song begin for deceiving his Con base. He sure did a good job on his Liberal leaning budget.
  58. Alberta Dennis Notso,redneck from Canada writes: Way to go Harper. Let the bimbos stew in their own juice. Iggy has already called Jack and Jill irresponsible for declaring against the budget without even looking at it. Does anyone really think Iggy would work with those jerks.
  59. Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: Pete H from Canada
    Thanks Pete I agree with you.
  60. Johnny Test from Pork Belly, Canada writes: Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes

    I agree with you. The only way the Liberals can vote for a budget is if it substantially complies with their stated conditions. This document seems to have too many conditions attached to infrastructure spending and tax cuts to the wrong people (people like me who have some spending money, luckily). It would have to be very, very close to what Ignatieff said he wanted to see. Otherwise, if he votes for it, he will be perceived as another Dion by Harper.

    You must be reading a different budget because all the pundits have been saying it targets the people who spend all their money ie the lower income folks. Also, Canadians have lost a lot of their savings because of the stock market crash. Helping Canadians build up their savings is not a bad idea either.
  61. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: bob crier from Toronto - Do Liberals/NDP have better plans than conservatives? Do they know something that the rest of us don't? ** Yes, they do know better. No, they don't know that much more than the rest of us. This budget needed to have stimulus spending on infrastructure without preconditions the municipalities can't meet; tax breaks to the hard-up not the middle class; a much better EI deal, amongst other things. A lot of this stuff has been stated by various organisations for months now. - Are Liberals/NDP truly ready to lead this nation (a word that we don't use enough)? ** The Liberals are, they have a lot of competent people who've been there before, which is more than you can say for this CPC government. The Liberals would lead a coalition, if that is what happens. If the budget gets voted down, I'm not sure what happens next. Maybe a coalition, maybe not. - What happens if we do not like the Liberal/NDP budget? ** If there were a coalition government, a big if, and it follows the outline agreed between the Liberals, NDP and Bloc earlier then it would control enough seats to be in a majority situation and their budget would pass whether you liked it or not.
  62. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Lets see how many answer in affirmative - Can you interview for the position of CEO of a company if your relevant industry experience is only 2 years? I think not. But there are lot of people here eager to make Ignatieff the PM of this nation when his relevant political experience is only 2 years. Not to mention that his own party did not endorse him for leadership just 2 years ago. Do you guys really think he is ready to lead us through difficult times? Are you willing to bet your futures on this?
  63. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: looks like we will be going into an election if the Libs vote this down. No way will the GG be able to turn the power of gov't over to an unelected representantive of a Party.
    She would and she knows it, be direspected by any International Democratic Country.
    Iggy is an appointed leader and has will no be able to govern until he faces the people of Canada in a new election.
  64. Ob Server from Canada writes: richard sharp...The coalition is dead. This budget is a done deal.
  65. al near lake huron . from Canada writes:
    Thank You = Canada 1 from Montreal, Canada writes: it is not a expenditure, but rather a loan secured by assets'

    why do the banks need to get the 200B off their books, if the assets are good ?
    normally, ppl only wish to get bad debt off of books?

    thx
  66. Craig Cooper from Toronto, writes: Layton decided to vote against it before he even knew what was in it.

    That man is pure evil.
  67. andrew walec from vancouver, Canada writes: I think the budget is fair, who cares about block or NDP.
  68. Pete H from Canada writes: Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: Pete H from Canada
    Thanks Pete I agree with you.

    Probably a first. )
  69. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: 'Mr. Ignatieef's Likely Reply Tomorrow:'

    I can't see that happening. If the Liberal support the budget and later defeat it in the amendment stage then I think the GG would have to call an election.
  70. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    2009 budget.

    LPC 1
    CPC 0

    Canada gets screwed again.
  71. Super Farmer from Canada writes: Harper should have gone ahead and included the cancellation of the $1.95 per vote scam with this mostly Lib budget. We would have seen their true colours then.
  72. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes:
    No way will the GG be able to turn the power of gov't over to an unelected representantive of a Party.
    -------
    You are blind or Kim Campbell (among many) must have been cuter...
  73. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Cancelling the $1.95 will likely be part of the next election platform and they will win on it. It once again was something forced down the publics throat by chretian without and public input whatsoever. A lot of people hate the idea of it and want it gone and so it will be after the next election.
  74. al near lake huron . from Canada writes: what about a projection for decreased tax revenue?
    100B an extra year?

    why does the budget only cover the spending side, and not the decreased revenue side?

    plants closed, mines closed, layoff, all mean less tax revenue?
    will that add 100B a year ??????
  75. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:
    2009 budget.
    LPC 1
    CPC 0
    Canada gets screwed again
    ------
    LPC 0
    CPC -1

    :-)
  76. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Kim Campbell took over for the presiding PM of her own party not a coalition....duh
  77. Super Farmer from Canada writes: And one thing more; why is it that when we enter a recession you have every preceived victim group in the land and their NDP cheerleaders crying for a piece of cake? These groups weren't getting additional funding during good times, but now that the economy is tanking its a perfect time to throw money around.

    20% of the population pays 80% of the tax.
  78. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Looks like a lot of people will be panting more gardens this Spring.....LOL
  79. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Kim Campbell took over for the presiding PM of her own party not a coalition....duh
    -
    And how did She work out??
  80. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: meant to say planting....lol
  81. Claus Mohr from Merida, Canada writes: When 2 of the so-called coalition parties have made up their minds to vote against a budget they haven't seen or read, you are dealing with unbelievable irresponsibility, wonderful people who think they can run this country. One of them even wants to break up Canada and they'll essentially have control over any government decision. Now is the time to see if Iggy, who's never really been elected by anybody for anything, will continue his ego path and have himself appointed one more time, or will be responsible to Canadians. He could qualify for the Guinness book of records as the most unelected PM in the Western world.
  82. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: She was voted out but at least tere was an election and there will be an election if Iggy votes this budget down.
  83. Mark Caron from Winnipeg, Canada writes: It will be sad day in Canada if the budget is defeated by concerns such as that of Mr. Layton's, about the failure to eliminate the two-week waiting period for employment insurance benefits. Is this really all they got?

    I say to you Mr. Layton go crawl back under your rock.
  84. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: meant to say planting....lol
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    Thanks for clarifying.... for a sec I thought harper had turned you into an artist....
    :-)
  85. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Back in the last depression people would travel the country looking for work. Now they want to sit at home until the gov't forks out enough money to get the job to come to them.
    Things sure have changed over the last 70 years.
    Men were men and worked for their family but it seems many men are only males these days and woud rather sit and wait for charity.
  86. B Fulsom from Menlo Park, United States writes: Iggy's choices are: vote yay or abstain. Either way, the budget passes and the coalition is dead.

    Have a nice day!
  87. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: She was voted out but at least tere was an election and there will be an election if Iggy votes this budget down.
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    Why did you vote her out??
  88. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: BC has had to bring in immigrants from other countries because there wasn't enough workers for the jobs here while people from the east whined about losing their jobs and needed the gov't to bail out these companies at the cost of the West.
    Theres jobs out there if you really want to work in BC. , Alberta or Sask.
  89. Mr. Perfect from Canada writes: Iggy will pass the budget otherwise another six month delay is on his hands.
    I agree with RM from Regina.
    Generally speaking the goverment should be keeping its powder dry. However I could allow for better benefits for UIC.
  90. Joe Dick from Kingston, Canada writes: Wulfher SkullSplitter from Canada writes: Good Bye, Mr. Harper.

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    But, wasn't this about the economy and doing whats best for Canadians? Wow I even managed to keep a straight face when I typed that.
  91. Canada 1 from Montreal, Canada writes: al near lake huron .
    why do the banks need to get the 200B off their books, if the assets are good ?normally, ppl only wish to get bad debt off of books?

    The idea is to free up as much cash as possible and inject as much liquidity into the economy as possible.
    In theory, the banks should use this $ to issue new credit.

    We will have to wait and see if that will materialize.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>
  92. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: the Liberals create sheep not men.
    Conservatives create men.
  93. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Mr. Perfect from Canada writes: Iggy will pass the budget otherwise another six month delay is on his hands.
    I agree with RM from Regina.
    Generally speaking the goverment should be keeping its powder dry. However I could allow for better benefits for UIC.
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    The Cons supporters say it won't matter.... this recession and it's outcome is outside of any governments control...
    :-)
  94. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: the Liberals create sheep not men.
    Conservatives create men.

    Thanks Pete. I can always count on you to crack me up when I need it.
  95. Mach Machiavelli from Lethbridge, Canada writes: Just did a count... looks like IGGY is a winner!!!!
    yay
  96. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Chris Halford, I will try to address some of the points: pre-conditions for infrastructure spending will force the municipalities to cut red tape and move faster and benefit from it within two years. I think this clause is good as it pushes for time bound results. Tax breaks are actually higher for lower income class, so I don't understand what you mean. EI deal is marginally better, agree it is not significantly better. But lower EI will also force people to budget more and find jobs quicker. Also as spending power goes down, it should bring down prices as well. So the budget actually accomplishes what you said it should. Also, Liberals may have a lot of competent people but I do not see them stepping up in leadership positions. And lets just name a few and compare if CPC cannot really match their talent and experience. You mentioned that 'the Liberals would lead a coalition'. Liberals and NDP have not even dated before and you are proposing a marriage, and on top of that they should adopt children? Isn't that a bit risky? Until a few months ago they were at each other's throats and now they want to share a bed? Seriously lets slow down the process and assess the real motives behind this coalition. It is time to ask hard questions. And the last point that their budget will pass whether we like it or not. Well that does not seem very democratic now, does it. So once again, I would like to ask the question what are the options that work for the Canadians. I think what really works is for these parties to come together and find a solution together. At this point if Harper tries to keep everyone out of the discussions, I personally will withdraw my CPC support. I voted for CPC in the last election and I have to say that I am as disappointed by their actions as any Liberal supporter, but I am not ready to take Libera/NDP at face value without doing some due diligence as well.
  97. Joseph Bloggins from Canada writes: scsi duck from Canada says 'Oh Bloggins, I really do relish reading those posts of yours. It's like what would happen if we had internet forums in the McCarthy 1950s.'

    Had the internet existed in the 50's, McCarthy would have gotten the job done.
  98. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: You Liberals remind me of the old cigarette commercials about a construction worker lighting the fuse for some dynamite. He lights it, pulls out a cigarette then realizes he used his last match. So he follows the fuse until booom....'some people will do anything for a cigarette' or a deficit.
  99. Trapped in Stephen Harper's back yard from Airdrie, Canada writes: On the EI piece. Having been someone who had to rely on it and having all of my documents ready and in the day my employment ceased, I still waited for 1.5 months before receiving my first deposit. I was prepared but can't imagine what others will go through!
  100. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: The Mayor of my city (120,000 population more or less....) seems to be very disappointed with the Harper Budget and everything regarding infrastructure... It seems that lots of questions are being asked and the whole municipal infrastructure file is very complicated with federal, provincial, municipal sharing the pie...

    Oh well... No matter how many billions and trillions are thrown away, let me repeat what I said a few months ago.... ''Soup Kitchens'' are next...We're in a recession, to be a depression very soon, worse than the '30's...

    Nay Sayers, get back to this conversation next year, same time, same date... perhaps some of you won't even be able to afford an internet connection...

    Carpe Diem! Enjoy your fine wine and Scotch while you can!

    -
  101. warren standerwick from North Vancouver, Canada writes: A question for the Harperites.

    If the coalition had defeated the government on a confidence motion in November, and produced this budget as their coalition budget would you support it? If not you should logically support the coalition defeating the government tomorrow so the coalition could own, and implement the budget, along with a few tweaks, (changes to the EI, fewer restrictions on the infrastructure package.).
  102. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I think Iggy is your last match and then booom.
  103. Joseph Chapple from Calgary, Canada writes: Layton have never been in power because he is a incompetent boob,how can anyone make a decision without the facts he has just shown his enormous stupidity by voting against a buget that he has never seen.This country is in deep financial trouble and Canadians need proper and stable direction and it certainly will not come from a coalition. Although the budget isn,t perfect it is a start and if the political parties honestly care about Canada and the Canadian people they will come together and make this budget work with a little tickering by all politicians.I voted in a election that was legal and not one that was formulated by a bunch of power hungry thugs.
  104. john dancy from Canada writes: al near lake huron , not just the revenue side but the social safety nets will start to cost us dearly next year. combined it could easily top 100 billion a year. 30% unemployed during the great depression now its only 8%.
  105. Michael Powers from Canada writes: Jack Layton's policy of being against everything that is being proposed has effectively removed the NDP from having any input into the workings of the Government.

    For some unknown reason, Jack thinks that by being against everything, it makes him a strong leader, while in reality he has effectively transfered all of the power to Michael Ignatieff and he has sidelined himself.

    The Quebec media is openly speculating that Jack is washed up politically and it is just a matter of time before the NDP turfs him.
    That certainly seems to have some truth to it because Jack is no longer the sole spokesperson for the Party but many NDP members are speaking out and some openly disagree with him on policy issues.

    Hopefully, Jack's days are few and the Party can return to the Great Party that it once was.
  106. Greg Out West from Canada writes: warren standerwick from North Vancouver, Canada writes: A question for the Harperites.

    If the coalition had defeated the government on a confidence motion in November, and produced this budget as their coalition budget would you support it? If not you should logically support the coalition defeating the government tomorrow so the coalition could own, and implement the budget, along with a few tweaks, (changes to the EI, fewer restrictions on the infrastructure package.).
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    Did you say logical ? We're talking about politicians here, there is no logic involved only self preservation. Ie their gold plated pensions. Don't ever think they're working for me or you.
    Back to your point. I'm conservative and think were throwing money away so yes I would not be happy with this budget regardless of who brought it forward so you do have a point.
  107. john dancy from Canada writes: warren standerwick, until the Bloc says give me more and you have no choice.............hmmmm was Mr Harper right?
  108. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Michael Powers from Canada writes: Jack Layton's policy of being against everything that is being proposed has effectively removed the NDP from having any input into the workings of the Government.

    For some unknown reason, Jack thinks that by being against everything, it makes him a strong leader, while in reality he has effectively transfered all of the power to Michael Ignatieff and he has sidelined himself.
    ------------------------------------------------
    Well no one ever said Jack was very smart. Iggy's got to be smiling.
  109. john dancy from Canada writes: Michael Powers, yes and Mr Layton can get back into subsidized housing.......
  110. J Canucklehead from Disband the UN, Canada writes: It's all over but the crying tomorrow in the ranks of the Coalitionists when Iggy and the Liberals vote FOR the budget.

    Iggy will work on rebuilding the Liberal brand and warchest to fight another day from a position of strength sans the NDP and BQ.

    A nice education in Politics 101 for the armchair politicos here.
  111. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: You Liberals remind me of the old cigarette commercials about a construction worker lighting the fuse for some dynamite. He lights it, pulls out a cigarette then realizes he used his last match. So he follows the fuse until booom....'some people will do anything for a cigarette' or a deficit.
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    Yes.... Harper..... Going through the stages of denial
    Shock
    Denial
    Bargaining
    Guilt
    Anger
    Depression
    Acceptance and hope <------ he is here!
  112. john dancy from Canada writes: J Canucklehead, yes Mr Harper is a genius. He even made them get rid of two leaders he did not like.......and he is still PM
  113. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Chris Halford, sorry i forgot, thank you for an informed opinion. Unfortunately, some people are just fighting.
  114. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: ...Oh well... No matter how many billions and trillions are thrown away, let me repeat what I said a few months ago.... ''Soup Kitchens'' are next...We're in a recession, to be a depression very soon, worse than the '30's...

    Oh well well done LB, most people understand if you want to join a chorus of bad might happen. To date Canada has some great things on it's side - best balance sheet, (not IceLand), and best position to come out of this ahead of all G-7 nations. Love your doomsday - perhaps you need to start excavation of your basement for the Icelanders who will arrive. Your type is always allowed to soil the good things that Canada is doing - and I'll defend that right however misinformed...
  115. Paul Dieter from Canada writes:
    Spencer C from Canada writes: How anyone can support a party that rejected a budget sight unseen is beyond me.

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    When a used car salesmen by the name of Flaherty sells you a lemon, do you believe him when he claims that he's got a pristine unit on the lot, that was only driven to Parliament on Sundays? How many Lemons should the Harper CONs be able try and pawn off on the Canadian people? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

    Tomorrow Iggy will take the reins of power...
  116. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: john dancy from Canada writes: al near lake huron , not just the revenue side but the social safety nets will start to cost us dearly next year. combined it could easily top 100 billion a year. 30% unemployed during the great depression now its only 8%.
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    John.... You are backing the wrong horse.....
    ..none of the above is going to win for awhile yet....

    Cheers
  117. Serge M from montreal, Canada writes: Lets have a Conservative-Liberal coalition.
  118. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Peter Dieter, 'Tomorrow Iggy will take the reins of power...'

    I will ask this question again - Would you interview someone for the position of CEO if their relevant industry experience is only 2 years? Similarly would you make Ignatieff the PM of this nation when his relevant political experience is only 2 years. Not to mention that his own party did not endorse him for leadership just 2 years ago. Do you really think he is ready to lead us through difficult times? Are you willing to bet your future on this?
  119. I'm Michael Ignatieff and You're Not from Canada writes: The Bloc doesn't like the budget because it will not get more equalzation; $8 billion from BC, Alberta, Sask., and NF is not enough! Disgusting. Please get lost.

    Layton is always against everything!
  120. pole cat from Canada writes: John dancy from Canada writes: J Canucklehead, yes Mr Harper is a genius. He even made them get rid of two leaders he did not like.......and he is still PM. Lol you hit them liberals below the belt with that one but it is true
  121. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Paul Dieter from Canada writes:
    Spencer C from Canada writes: How anyone can support a party that rejected a budget sight unseen is beyond me.

    Dieter dude the SHOUTING BOLD CAPS has shown up again, unlike the Hitler youth movement no one here is moved by your continous shouting - might hae worked on your Dad though...
  122. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: pole cat from Canada writes: John dancy from Canada writes: J Canucklehead, yes Mr Harper is a genius. He even made them get rid of two leaders he did not like.......and he is still PM. Lol you hit them liberals below the belt with that one but it is true
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    Is this 'The 64 Billion dollar game show??'
    .
    .
    I say winner Iggy .... 2 birds with no stones.
    :-)
  123. Sylvia Wilson from Canada writes: This budget isn't as straight forward as it initially appears: The Calgary Herald weighs in calling it instead of a chicken in every pot, a shovel in every hand.: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Martin Tory recession remedy/1223755/story.html Parliament's independent budget watchdog has already warned that five years would be too aggressive and that the government could do more harm than good by trying to balance the books that quickly. Municipalities have warned that they could be forced to raise taxes or go into debt if the federal government doesn't provide flexibility in its new spending. They have asked for new funding based on their population size without conditions requiring them to match federal money. But the budget did not directly address those concerns. EI benefits were extended but no correction for inequities between provinces. Infrastructure funding is tied up with conditions and joint payments creating a new mechanism that promises to slow not expedite this critical component. When it comes to building a deck on your cottage, the government is on your side, (caveat15% tax credit of up to $1,350 for eligible renovations to home or cottage. Renovations must exceed $1,000 but the credit tops out after $10,000 of work. Source: Edmonton Sun http://www.edmontonsun.com/Business/News/2009/01/27/8167746.html ---- The coalition do have grounds for not voting for it.
  124. Sylvia Wilson from Canada writes: The devil is always in the details!
  125. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Sylvia Wilson from Canada writes: This budget isn't as straight forward as it initially appears: ...When it comes to building a deck on your cottage, the government is on your side, (caveat—15% tax credit of up to $1,350 for eligible renovations to home or cottage. Renovations must exceed $1,000 but the credit tops out after $10,000 of work.

    Here's a thought Ms. Wilson invite your family, maybe some good buddies and build your own deck. Why are you asking taxpayers to build you a deck? I built an Ark on my own dime and now I'm waiting for the Gorical's flood?
  126. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: I have a question. But I will start with 1
    1) with thousands (around the globe as well) being fired off, why would the 'supposed' conservative gov't seem to rely on the ladders of 'global economy' to pursue their agenda - as opposed to the (historic) opinions of the people who actually live here, pay taxes, and maybe have the tenacity to weather the storm - but ONLY if they obey the current gov't?
  127. Dave Hasler from Edmonton, Canada writes: Harper and the conservatives caved in to the opposition pressure for the sake of their own survival rather than make a budget that would as good for Canada.

    The NDP understands that this is as close to power and governance as they will ever come in their meager existence federally. Layton salivates eagerly as he waits for his ministerial appointment or whatever other reward awaits him and his minions. The mere fact that he will vote automatically against the government without due consideration tells us what he is made of and its not encouraging in the least. The NDP has no Federal track record in government and on their own merit they are unlikely to ever have so this is their big chance and little things like doing whats right for Canada are unlikely to stop them.

    As for the BQ they have little interest in Canada other than looting the Federal treasury for the sake of one province. Their self interest should be of no interest to the rest of us and certainly any coalition involving them and depending on their support is doomed to failure. The most we can expect from the BQ is to leave Canada in tatters financially and politically as this is their goal.

    So now we have the Liberals. Theyre the one Federal party which stands a chance of defeating the conservatives in any future election. What a dilemma they must have tonight. Do they ally themselves with two losers? Do they tie their future political fortunes to parties which cannot reasonably be expected to be responsible for the entire country? This is the biggest question theyre going to be asking themselves tonight.

    This is not about Canada or whats good for the people. This is about who gets to govern for a few months or a year at most before petty self interest and lack of discipline in the coalition force another election. Then the conservatives will win their majority and Harper will finally become dictator of Canada.
  128. warren standerwick from North Vancouver, Canada writes: bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Peter Dieter, 'Tomorrow Iggy will take the reins of power...'

    I will ask this question again - Would you interview someone for the position of CEO if their relevant industry experience is only 2 years?

    Surely we know that what we want as the leader of a government in a democratic society is not a CEO (see George Bush).

    BTW- quite apart from Bush, CEO's are not exactly at the top of anybody's hit parade these days, even if they stay where they belong, in the private sector.
  129. bob pearce from Cranbrook, Canada writes: It appearsto be a reasonable and balance buget. Although I don't care for deficit financing at times it is a necessity. I especially like the money put toward infastructure. There is a need for new bridges and highway upgrades along with work in our National Parks which have been neglected of late. The above are things that are quite labour intensive providing jobs for a wide range of skills. Also, if our banks are encouraged to provide loans to small busnesses and factories to see them through these sudden hard times it will assist in keeping workers employed. I do hope the Conservative Government and especially Mr. Harper has learned a lesson. Their arrogance of late has known no bounds; and that the Liberals on their part support this legislation which does have considerable merit. To my mind a coalition as proposed will bring nothing but grief to all. The NDP is desperate to be in a position of importance and will do most anything to get there and the Bloc thinks of little else but Quebec. The Liberal Party needs time to rebuild both its ranks and coffers and this budget, which they should accept, will provide that time . The mess Mr. Harper created may turn out to be the catalist needed to get Parliament back on track and avoid another costly and unnecessary trip to the polls. Let the politicians be aware that they are in Ottawa to serve the will of the people and for the good of the country and nothing else.
  130. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: Assuming you have an Ark , ark...are you not already prepared?
  131. Lane Myers from Canada writes: Poor old Jack! He is watching the only opportunity he would ever have had to sit on the government benches. His party, that vowed to vote on a budget they had yet to see, is absolutely irrelevant.
    Jack has been braying for weeks that he would vote against the budget, so he had little choice but to stay the course today irregardless of what was in the budget. Listening to him on TV trying to justify his party's decision was pitiful indeed.

    Iggy will announce tomorrow that the Liberals will support the government and will essentially fling Jack and his hapless band of dopes into oblivion. The NDP will be wiped out in the next election.
  132. Gerry 'Cold Cuts' Ritz from Wanna Sandwich?, writes: I think Prime Minister Harper had it right when he said in October that if a downturn was going to come it would already have happened.
  133. James Young from Brampton, Canada writes: >Fate of budget, coalition in Ignatieff's hands. Get real! Iggy will fold and has to fold and will let the budget pass. He is just posturing.

    There is not a person in the world, who knows what to do, so anything is acceptable.

    Durgan.
  134. Gerry 'Cold Cuts' Ritz from Wanna Sandwich?, writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Wulfher SkullSplitter from Canada writes: 'Good Bye, Mr. Harper. '

    Where are you going?

    =============

    Sounds like the future.
  135. P Martin from St. John's, Canada writes: Go coalition...take down Harper.
  136. Mimi Williams from Edmonton, Canada writes: I suggest that all these Conservative cheerleaders actually peruse the budget document before going immediately to the talking points provided by the Anger Machine. This budget has significant problems, which are beginning to surface as more people are able to provide analysis. I'm still in the process of reading but offer a few perfunctory thoughts. Posters above have noted concerns about EI that were not addressed (eligibility, waiting periods, regional disparities, etc.). The fact that municipalities will have to cost-share infrastructure programs is a bear of a problem since I don't believe there are too many municipalities in the country awash in cash right now. In fact, don't they have a law in Ontario that municipalities cannot go into debt? Not sure how any of them will access any of this money. The government has not removed its' intention to remove the rights of women to pursue pay equity claims. Flaherty has still not identified which public assets he's going to sell at firesale prices. The budget 'pre-announcements' talked big about helping consumers with credit card interest rates but when you get to the meat of the document, there is nothing there at all - just some talk about making the companies make their outrageous interest rates more clear before they charge them. The budget plows ahead with the single securities regulator, which will surely lead to a court challenge by Quebec. The budget contains nothing for new workers struggling under the weight of student loans. The budget contains nothing for older workers who will find that the 5 extra weeks of benefits is unlikely to do much to help retrain them. As far as the NDP announcing they will oppose the budget sight unseen, I think that is the most responsible thing they could have done. If someone passes you bad cheques three times, who's the idiot for taking the fourth? Look at the billions announced in the 3 previous Conservative budgets that have never seen the light of day.
  137. Kevin Desmoulin from TO, Canada writes: I do not think this budget hit on any the situations that the libs wanted addressed. Lacking of understanding of the severity of the Situation, No, I do not think that works, Changes to EI did not happen, and the infrastructure money has conditions to it, or it is lost if not used in 2 years.
    These people are too little for the Job.

    Time for them to Go Tomorrow Mr. Ignatieff
  138. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes:
    Here's a thought Ms. Wilson invite your family, maybe some good buddies and build your own deck.
    -----
    Here's a thought Mr. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Tell Harper to go back to the drawing board or even better tell him to grow a pair (You know.... to replace the ones he lost when he stepped on that rake back in November) and resign....
    ... than we can have, hopefully, some real leadership.
    Cheers
  139. Gerry 'Cold Cuts' Ritz from Wanna Sandwich?, writes: The Real PS from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Wulfher SkullSplitter from Canada writes: 'Good Bye, Mr. Harper. '

    Where are you going?
    .
    Great post p.
    .
    Don't you love all these brilliant lefties who know so much more than all the economists, of all political stripes, who have contributed to the creation of this.

    ====================

    By 'this', you mean the financial collapse and economic downturn, I suppose?
  140. Al Bore from Canada writes:

    ' A coalition if necessary, not necessarily a coalition'

    bahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

    This must be Liberal speak for ' I don't have a clue what I'm doing'
  141. Sylvia Wilson from Canada writes: #1 No increase in EI payments and based on the province of residence, however, the period for receiving them was extended five weeks, maximum period based on province.

    #2 Peanut-sized federal income tax reductions.

    #3 Thomas Mulcair said the Tories also carried forward a controversial measure from the November economic statement — pay-equity reforms which he said would remove the right for women to go to court to demand equal pay for work of equal value. Source for #3: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/01/27/budget-reaction.html



  142. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: -----Here's a thought

    I understand that you pine for St. Dion - a good man but why do you blay like stock G III????
  143. Elwood P. Dowd from Pookahtown, Canada writes: Dear Al Bore

    Except for the one atop your head, I'd say you were pointless....

    Grow up son.
  144. Sylvia Wilson from Canada writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes,

    I already have a deck and don't need another one thank you. And my house which my husband and i built ourselves from being a hole in the ground. Less than $1,500 was subbed. Yep, we were too old when we started it--hubby 66, myself 60. Labouring with the blocks in sweltering heat building the basement delayed the project by a large amound of time.

    My hubby's was yacht builder, retired September of this year--he milled his own lumber and built the cabinets in the house. I'm not very big, only 5'1' weighing 120 pounds. Building our retirement house was borderline stretching our combined capabilities, but very worth it now that it's done. No mortgage using our own labours.

    I was just pointing out that small amounts aren't eligible in order to receive any money from the federal government for working your butt off!



  145. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: Assuming you have an Ark , ark...are you not already prepared?

    Hey Great to see you are still here! Yes I've built the Ark it's waiting for the Ten-story high Biblical (Gorical) rise in sea levels. Good thing though I put in-floor heatind and Solar lighting. Just waiting for the total catastrophe our Science promises....Good hunting on your York Education!
  146. Gerry 'Cold Cuts' Ritz from Wanna Sandwich?, writes: Ob Server from Canada writes: This is a good budget and no doubt it will pass. ...

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    My favourite things about this budget are:

    1- The spending is unfettered by silly bureaucratic red tape like coherent policy or integrated thinking.

    2- Most of the billions spent will not just flow out to avert the worst impacts of the recession, but instead be measured out in dribs and drabs tied to co-payments from cities who have no money. This ensures it will be nice and late and support inflation at the tail end of the recovery.

    3- The permanent tax cut means that people over 50 will never have to feel burdened by the cost of this measure in their whole lifetimes.

    4- The budget saves the cost of future accounting by directing the majority of money to things that won't generate longer term returns to have to keep track of.
  147. duff bourassa from Canada writes: NDP will vote against it...thats laughable.....NDP would vote against the sun setting in the west....i like the home reno incentive.....renos involve lumber...and we dont import lumber...thats money that will stay in canada...and tax cuts are huge also....you can not tax your way into prosperity...and its been proven several times in western democracies that cutting tax rates can increase total tax revenue collected.....of course we wont see that immediately given the current economic climate but it plants the seed......this could be very ugly year people.....until US house prices find a floor we will continue to see flat or negative growth...its time to sell the 'toys' and reduce debt....it could be a generation before we see our standard of living improve in real terms
  148. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Take it down. It's a terrible budget.
  149. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: -----Here's a thought

    I understand that you pine for St. Dion - a good man but why do you blay like stock G III????
    -----
    Actually I never liked Dion;... the jury is still out on Iggy as I just have not seen enough of him.... but I do know that Harper has overstayed his welcome.

    But given a choice, I would prefer a red-Tory Bill Davis or Stanfield type on one side and a blue-Lib Turner or Martin type on the other.

    And you should not ASSume.
    Cheers
  150. Truck Less from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Why do the lefties think its wrong to force a new government on Afghanistan but okay to do it to Canada...

    Oh ya, because its for their own selfish gain.
  151. Jaime Farr from the Gong Show Panel, writes: .

    GONG!

    Get 'em outta here!
  152. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: Mimi , Bob, ty for your erudite responses to this Edebate.
    It is refreshing to hear lolgic (whether I agree or not) as opposed to vitrolic attacks that many have done here.

    It is a sad shame that too many ppl who debate in this space are more interested in DE-construction of society.

    Oh wait...the pinheads who accuse me of my last statement..will come forth.
  153. Don M from Canada writes: Is there really anyone out there that could support the NPD and or the Bloc when they can say a week before the budget that they can't support it. How can you vote for any politician that will vote before knowing about what. That's what got us into most of Canada's problems under the Liberals, monkeys at the voting booth. Follow the leader even when they know it's wrong.

    Get a job and move on, even if you have to move. Many of us have had to move to find work. Some of you will find out that $15 per hour is better than drinking all your UI away waiting for the gov to bail you out. When it does not happen, you will end up with having nothing.

    Or, lets have another election and wast another $10 million and another 3 months.
  154. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Truck Less from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Why do the lefties think its wrong to force a new government on Afghanistan but okay to do it to Canada...
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    And who nominated you to be the spokesman for the other side??
  155. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: I have a question. But I will start with 1 with thousands (around the globe as well) being fired off, why would the 'supposed' conservative gov't seem to rely on the ladders of 'global economy' to pursue their agenda

    I have another question, why as a tough, hard working Canadian do you expect a Government to bail your life out? Truly Canadians in the past has proven their mettle, yet recently a creep has been upon us that Canada 'owe' those....So which is it Feathers? make your own lot in life or beholden to others? Just a thought er NDP mantra...????
  156. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes
    'Here's a thought Mr. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Tell Harper to go back to the drawing board or even better tell him to grow a pair (You know.... to replace the ones he lost when he stepped on that rake back in November) and resign....
    ... than we can have, hopefully, some real leadership.
    Cheers '

    Here's another option. If you want to get rid of Harper there's this thing called an election that we've had a few of lately. Convince the Liberals to come up with a comprehensive set of policies that will actually get Canadians to vote for them. That way you solve all of your problems: get rid of Harper and get a Liberal government.
    Cheers!
  157. Maurice Nulens from Canada writes: 'Ken Mosby from Nanaimo, Canada writes: Bub Slug...so when was the last time you had a conversation with Stephen Harper?'

    No one on these boards have had a conversation with Harper... but when he is interviewed and on other occasions that i have seen him speak.... he is guilty as Bub Slub said.
    He is one shifty individual. And this is borne out by his actions. He does not instill trust in himself.
  158. B. Goode from Canada writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes:
    Yes I've built the Ark it's waiting for the Ten-story high Biblical (Gorical) rise in sea levels.
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    Flaherty and Clement could pass as two monkeys :-)
  159. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: The Coalition is dead. Mr. Ignatieff will vote for the budget. If the Liberal Party of Toronto tried to enter into a Coalition gov't supported by the separatist Bloc it would ruin their brand for atleast 10 years. Only the simple-minded believe that Mr. Ignatieff is going to defeat the gov't.
  160. Howdy Hicks from Fantasy Ville Quebec, Canada writes: Hooray, our time has come!!

    The evil Harper and his shabby neo con are a thing of the past.

    Iggy signed the paper - his word is good so the coalition will happen.

    All true Canadians will see the Mighty Jack is the man of the hour - the anointed one to lead Canada - our own little Canadian Obama.

    Obama Jack! Obama Jack! Obama Jack!

    NDPers go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government!
  161. Alan Withey from Calgary, Canada writes: Have the times for NDP and Bloc influence ended?

    Both have, in the past, used their positions within Parliament to bring about their respective interest groups' policies and projects to be borne out in public policy, budget and various measures.

    Today, however, both parties refuse to be in support of anything unless it is a stand to be against something. Even a government pronouncement that is aligned with previous stated objectives of these parties, once announced, becomes unsatisfactory.

    Frankly, I'm not terribly concerned as to what any party is against. I am more interested in what they stand for and what each would do if given the reigns to do it.

    As I review this budget, I have to point out that it is easier to spend than it is to cut that spending. Which in the opposition are suggesting reductions in spending even in part? How many of those that are advocating increasing government spending further are telling us how many years it will take to pay it back? To ask for more spending above these budget levels is asking too much. The spending increases here won't be paying down debt so at least let it be to a productive end. A dollar well-spent can generate seven and a dollar wasted evaporates forever.
  162. Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: Do you have a gun Ark?
  163. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes:
    Here's another option. If you want to get rid of Harper there's this thing called an election that we've had a few of lately. Convince the Liberals to come up with a comprehensive set of policies that will actually get Canadians to vote for them. That way you solve all of your problems: get rid of Harper and get a Liberal government.
    Cheers!
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    Correct
    But I still would like both parties run with decency and good leadership and let me choose based on policies....
    I'm just getting a little bit peeved that we are getting dictators coming at us from both sides.
    Cheers
  164. Pascal Conservative from writes: A billion chimpanzees working at a billion keyboards for a billion years could not have produced a budget as directionless and disjointed as this.

    Where is the payback plan that Flaherty himself discussed just days ago?
  165. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Alan Withey from Calgary, Canada writes: Have the times for NDP and Bloc influence ended?

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    Yes, for the NDP. They continue to hang onto their socialist roots of the 1960's instead of moving their platform into the 21st century. The NDP will never poll above 20%.

    No for the Bloc. Until one of the national political parties chooses a francophone as leader, Quebec will continue to vote for the Bloc. That means the Bloc will hold 40-50 seats and no one Party will be getting a majority anytime soon. Mind you, I can a time when the Nation of Quebec becomes less relevant due to their lack of influence in the HoC.
  166. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada,
    Point taken. I think Canada likes dictators though. At least those who vote do.
  167. Maxwell House from The Last Drop, writes: With all the crying from Conservative supporters that Harper 'had no choice' and the opposition 'forced him to do it', I wonder if even the CPC will vote for this budget? Maybe that's Harper's cunning plan ... vote no confidence in his own government.
  168. kotter 49 from Canada writes: Just a crazy thought but maybe they could do what''s best for the country, certainly not a motivation that guides any of these clowns and most of the partisan posters. Everyone wants his nose in the trough.
  169. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Maxwell House from The Last Drop, writes: With all the crying from Conservative supporters that Harper 'had no choice' and the opposition 'forced him to do it', I wonder if even the CPC will vote for this budget? Maybe that's Harper's cunning plan ... vote no confidence in his own government.

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    You have pointed out a significant difference between the CPC and LPT over the last few years. Atleast the CPC votes in the HoC.
  170. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes:

    But I still would like both parties run with decency and good leadership and let me choose based on policies....

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    In this country?

    Thanx for the chuckle....
  171. P T from Victoria, Canada writes: kotter 49 from Canada writes: Just a crazy thought but maybe they could do what''s best for the country,

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    Crazy ideas you have, like that would ever happen.
  172. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from I placed it in a safe deposit box, Canada writes: Hmmm... can anyone point out where the budget deals with the credit crunch. I'm sure there's got to be something in here about it.
  173. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: I can't wait until Mr. Ignatieff tells us how Canada would rather go into a $64B deficit rather than spend $300M on an election. I guess he is going to announce the the deficit is the 'Lesser Evil'...lol...

    Capitulation if necessary, but not necessarily capitulation.
  174. F. Wm. Woodward from Canada writes: Duceppe is irrelevant. Layton on the other hand in his drunken quest for power is a joke. Canadians are left with very little to choose from unfortunately. Sad....
  175. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: warren standerwick , I agree we don't want a CEO. My point was that even for a small establishment we want people with experience, and here we are talking about an entire nation. I hope that that the leader of this nation comes with some real experience. In my opinion, Ignatieff is not that leader with only few years in politics under his belt. We certainly do not want a college professor running this country.
  176. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Horsefeathers 'n wildrice from Canada writes: Do you have a gun Ark?

    Typical, and the most feared item from someone in the Centre of the Universe. Wow of all debatable items. Hey maybe I do maybe I don't but I have a Police Force with Tazers...what's your simple point. Oh I'm sorry I'm debating an old, and Jaded person who loves nay should I say kneels before the NDP.
  177. J Law from Canada writes: Two things I have learned in my life is to never bet against America's ability to recovery and to never sell Canadians short.
  178. john dancy from Canada writes: Garibaldi III , hi, no stones because he is not even in the game yet. someone handed him the reins of a runaway horse.
    Sarah Palin had big numbers......until she started talking and we have not heard anything from Mr Ignatieff. I hope he is the leader the Liberal party needs. Two strong federalist parties works best in our system.
  179. Louise Fribance from Abbotsford, Canada writes: Didn't Iggy wave his finger at Harper last week and told him 'to stop playing games' (as if talking to a child)? I see now that it's Iggy who's playing games. We all know he will vote for the budget so, stop your games, stop huffing and puffing and thinking that you're the king and get on with helping this budget work to its fullest.
  180. john dancy from Canada writes: Louise Fribance, yes I have been hearing he has trouble with that finger, always shaking it at the stupid.......
  181. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Louise Fribance from Abbotsford, Canada writes: Didn't Iggy wave his finger at Harper last week and told him 'to stop playing games' (as if talking to a child)? I see now that it's Iggy who's playing games. We all know he will vote for the budget so, stop your games, stop huffing and puffing and thinking that you're the king and get on with helping this budget work to its fullest.

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    Mr. Ignatieff reminded me of the Petulant Professor talking to a stubborn undergrad.
  182. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Sylvia Wilson from Canada writes: This budget isn't as straight forward as it initially appears: The Calgary Herald weighs in calling it instead of a chicken in every pot, a shovel in every hand.: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Martin Tory recession remedy/1223755/story.html
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    A shovel in every hand.... My thought exactly.... Last week I was writing a comment regarding Canada and Science and R and D.... We have lost so much ground and I wrote that we might become the next ''drawers of water and hewers of wood''...

    Oh well, a ''shovel in every hand'' is pretty close....

    No thanks, I'm retired and I'll pass.... No shovel for me except perhaps a small gardening shovel.

    Good night!

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  183. old gristle from Canada writes: I have said this before. The Conservatives on principal vote against this budget. The NDP and BLOC should vote for and the Liberals should be split on it. This is a no good upside down budget.
  184. Helga Ross from Burlington, Canada writes: To: Paul Dieter from Canada

    You say

    When a used car salesmen by the name of Flaherty sells you a lemon,

    Tomorrow Iggy will take the reins of power...

    I say in reply: Iggy will take the reins of power when the lemon sours...I'd give it about six months. It wouldn't look good on him right now not to drink the 'lemon'ade. He'd simply be seen as the spoiler. He's looking good, and will look even better later. Reserve for after the taste-testing.
  185. Roop Misir from Toronto, Canada writes: Things are warming up here. The hope is that the temperature doesn't rise as much as in Iceland to force the government to crack!.
  186. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: This budget is a joke

    Permanent tax cuts will make it harder to get the books balanced, and frankly there is no real benefit to these cuts. A family earning 20k will receive $529.00. Yeah Harper that's going to save their house from foreclosure or maybe feed their kids for 2 months if they abstain from fresh meats and vegetables.

    The infrastructure spending is going to flop. The municipalities are just as strapped for money as everyone else. They wont be able to come up with the funds required to recieve funds so no stimulus or jobs there.

    You can train workers till the cows come home if there are no jobs for them then they can eat their diplomas i guess eh Harper? Where are they going to work? At the infrastructure jobs that will never have the money to qualify for funding?

    Worst.

    Budget.

    Ever.
  187. john dancy from Canada writes: L.B. MURRAY, how much I agree. All this giving to get support from idiotic parties and no real work done to improve r@d or education or support for future technologies. Down south Mr Obama has complete control , so he is able to make changes, real changes for the future. Our system encourages disagreement.
  188. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: ...But given a choice, I would prefer a red-Tory Bill Davis or Stanfield type on one side and a blue-Lib Turner or Martin type on the other.

    And you should not ASSume.
    Cheers

    Apologies then to you, never as(s)ume...Ark
  189. john dancy from Canada writes: Luke Ellis , please tell us how much money people should be given and then multiply by 30 million people.
  190. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from I placed it in a safe deposit box, Canada writes: .

    Budget Research, CPC Style:

    ring ring

    Big Con Donor: Hello?

    Wee Jimmy: Hi Big Con! It's me, Wee Jimmy!

    Big Con Donor: Hey there Wee Jimmy. Did you like your Christmas present?

    Wee Jimmy: Oh Geez Big Con! Did I ever!

    Big Con: So what are you calling for Wee Jimmy?

    Wee Jimmy: Well I got some good news for ya, Big Con! We're spending! I faxed over a sheet to ya.

    Big Con: Yeah, I've got it.

    Wee Jimmy: Well, if you've gotta minute, check whatever boxes you got business in, and we'll put that in the budget, see?

    Big Con: Thanks, Wee Jimmy, you're a stand up guy.

    Wee Jimmy: Aw shuck, anything for you, Big Con.


  191. alberta guy from Canada writes: The Liberals will approve the budget. This is pure political theatre.
  192. Pretty Much Sane from Canada writes: Yes Mr. Ignatieff the ultimate decision may be of your choosing, however, it is a win-win situation for the Conservatives.
    You do not possess the smarts or intestinal fortitude to bring down this government, otherwise, your fate will be signed, sealed and delivered. Go for it!
    Some time ago, you referred to Mr. Harper as Chickens--?. Let us see just who is Chickens--? now!
  193. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: The viciousness of many comments on this threads, especially the personal attacks against opposition party leaders (or disagreeable bloggers), threats of revolt, separation, to get your guns, etc. if the coalition took power, leads me to conclude that, on the hate meter, you people rate a ten.

    On the human development meter, zero.
  194. Helga Ross from Burlington, Canada writes: To: Gerry 'Cold Cuts' Ritz from Wanna Sandwich?, who writes:

    My favourite things about this budget are:

    Priceless! You have me in stitiches.

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  195. D. MacKay from Atlantic, Canada writes:
    King Iggy decides the fate of Canadians tomorrow ...

    King Iggy the Pretender ... leader of the $1.95 coalition of serfs , jesters and traitors.

    Enjoy the 15 minutes of fame.

    Budget passes.
  196. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Pretty Much Sane from Canada writes: Yes Mr. Ignatieff the ultimate decision may be of your choosing, however, it is a win-win situation for the Conservatives.
    You do not possess the smarts or intestinal fortitude to bring down this government, otherwise, your fate will be signed, sealed and delivered.

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    Absolutely. The reality is that by voting for the budget Mr. Ignatieff and the LPT will partly own it. Maybe the LPT thinks the average Canadian isn't aware that this is a minority gov't. Maybe the LPT are going to continue with their tried and true doctrine of the 'Forgetful Canadian'.
  197. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: richard sharp,
    Unfortunately you only criticize one side of the comments. Suggest you re-read and maybe focus in on some of personal attacks against Harper, neo-cons etc. If you want people to take your concerns seriously then you need to be balanced. Anyways, that's how I see it.
  198. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: john dancy from Canada writes: Luke Ellis , please tell us how much money people should be given and then multiply by 30 million people.

    WHOOSH

    That was my point flying over your head john.

    The government cannot give money to the public in any real amount. Giving 500 bucks to someone without a job loosing there house is what? a joke? Which is why the second part of that paragraph (which apparently you didn't get to) stated that the money would be better unspent. Permanent tax cuts will permanently hinder our governments ability to generate surplus and pay down this debt.
  199. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from I reported it to Revenue Canada when I realized they would discover it, Canada writes: Ah, good! I see that a slice of these billions is going for rinks and skateboard parks ... I wonder what the break even point on them will be?
  200. Mr. Perfect from Canada writes: Dithers.... Kyoto ..... Iffy....
    What a joke!!!!!!
  201. Mr. Perfect from Canada writes: Is Southern Ontario the New Cape Breton of Canada?
  202. winterpeger hello from winnipeg, Canada writes: hmmm - i got polled today ... i wonder why .. hasnt happened for months !

    Q4 ish ' would you be in favor of of an environmental tax on fuel to be be refunded blah blah blah '

    im guessin its a liberal survey but if the polster ever worked on wall st - he will sell it to all 4 parties tonight....
  203. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Mr. Ignatieff will support the budget - for now.
    There is simply not enough of a poisen pill in it to sell voting against it to Canadians - who would not forgive the Liberals if voting against it lead to an election.

    On the up side, there are some good aspects to the budget - IN THEORY

    The proof will be in the pudding: EXECUTION. Will the Harper govt actually DO what it SAYS it will do????

    History, and Mr. Harper's personality style and ideology suggests - very unlikely. It is a shell game - a true CON.

    At least Ignatieff now has a blueprint by which to measure whether Harper and gang deliver - hold their feet to the fire and if they flinch call an election.

    Democracy at work - hopefully, with a new PM within a year...

    Cheers.
    Cheers.
  204. alberta guy from Canada writes: Tomorrow we get to hear Layton sobbing. No coalition. Back to irrelevance.
  205. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from I reported it to Revenue Canada when I realized they would discover it, Canada writes: .

    Some of the comments ... OUCH! Looks like there'll be more broken chairs in the PMO Furherbunker tonight.
  206. john dancy from Canada writes: Luke Ellis, just wait until the social safety nets start to really cost us some money in the next few years. Great depression, 30% unemployment, now 8%. You say its the worst budget ever and complain it did not do anything. which is it a good budget for doing nothing or a bad budget for not doing enough. I guess I did not understand your point.....
  207. alberta guy from Canada writes: Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: The proof will be in the pudding: EXECUTION. Will the Harper govt actually DO what it SAYS it will do????

    History, and Mr. Harper's personality style and ideology suggests - very unlikely. It is a shell game - a true CON.
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    Sure, and unlike the Liberals who do everything they say..like acting on Kyoto. Down the truth hole hey?
  208. john dancy from Canada writes: alberta guy, and his party asks him to leave........
  209. G L from Thunder Bay ON., Canada writes: The BC Liberal Provincial Premier says It's a good budget. The Ontario Liberal Finance Minister said it's a good budget,George W Bush Republican and now leader of the Separatist.Liberal? NDP Coalition says there's a lot here to like. The Budget will pass on Thursday and the Coalition is dead. Take it to the bank.
  210. You (Bert Russell Paradox, BC, from Canada) wrote: The NDP coalition of the evil axis is dying before Laytons eyes ... his shot at guts and glory has his hand in Duceppes ... Layton goes down as another failed example of selling ones soul for power.
    Iggy has one option ... accept the fact the Liberal Party can only rebuild with a committment to all Canadians. The Opposition will only recover when they stop the frivolous attacks and get on with the business of Canada.
    It is Layton that is going to pay the most for treason ... all those parked votes of people who previously considered him harmless.
    The Prince of Promise has unwittingly sealed his own fate.
  211. Abby Boodt from somewhere on an island., Canada writes: Well, I certainly hope cool sensible heads prevail and that the powers that be can find some semblance of balance. The leader of the NDP should find a life or buy one because sure as anything he will never be part of a government body that is truly interested in whats best for Canada. I have to admit that I am not a hundred percent sure what that is but I dont think it looks like the three stooges running us around by our noses.
    Guess we will wait and see....what are our options if we dont like the results....either way????
  212. reason passion from Canada writes: Once again, Conservatives take Canada back deep into the red. They are unprincipled hypocrites in the extreme, claiming fiscal responsibility when campaigning, but acting irresponsibly in all matters economic since gaining their first mandate. As an excuse, they say they didn't create this 'economic crisis'. Well, they most certainly aided and abetted it, cutting government revenues by $15 billion annually trying to buy votes with their economically useless GST cuts, and spending more last year on everything including public opinion polls, than any federal government ever. They ignored and denied the warnings, choosing instead to play politics with their wasteful election and juvenile economic statement. Now they've become socialist converts. The only upside is that Conservatives will wear this deficit for years to come. The downside is that Canadians will be paying for it long after they've booted this incompetent minority from power, never to return again.
  213. John Brown from Maritimes, Canada writes: I don't see the Liberals voting this down but perhaps asking for some amendments maybe. The last thing I think the Liberals want to do is to crawl into bed with the NDP, Ignatieff is too smart for that. Even though he signed the initial coalition agreement I still believe it was to show support for the party leader of the day; his was the last signature to be entered in. As for those laughing at the Liberals supporting the CONservatives 43 previous times, so what and if Ignatieff does make it a flat out 44 it shows he is determined to work with the existing government. I have to know when to pick and fight your battles, Dion was a case in point except he was a day late and a dollar short. Harper tried with his election call gambit and still was not able to get his much sought majority against the (as CONservative die-hards called him) loser Dion. Tomorrow will certainly be a most interesting day. If Ignatieff goes against the budget then Harper should do the right thing and step aside, give his leadership to somebody more trusted and noble and hope the Conservatives can salvage something of this fiasco.
  214. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: alberta guy from Canada writes: Tomorrow we get to hear Layton sobbing. No coalition. Back to irrelevance.

    >>> While I am hardly an NDPer, what is the obsession with attacking Mr. Layton and the NDP?

    The NDP serves an important purpose in Canadian politics at the federal level, even if Mr. Layton and the gang can sometimes come across as rigid, 'bleeding heart', left-wingers.

    Sometimes polilticos need to be reminded of having a heart -- a collective responsibilty for each other. They help bring us back to a balance of values (vs. soley focusing on Tory fiscal prudence, and Liberal pragmatism).

    That is why I am not too quick to pick on the NDP -- though even I find some of their members/ideas annoying and naive at times .

    Sometimes idealism and naivity is not a bad thing.

    Cheers from Motown South.

  215. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from I reported it to Revenue Canada when I realized they would discover it, Canada writes: .

    There once was a fella named Steve
    Who prorogue just before Christmas Eve
    But Steve was a bully
    Who blundered so fully
    He finally just had to leave.

    .
  216. Western Bear from Canada writes: Although a tough, shiney new, 'whack a mole' budget. But it's mine and you cannot have it until you vote for it.

    Mr. Layton and Mr. Duceppe want some changes? Sorry boys, but you have relegated yourselves to the corner.

    Mr. Innatieff is going to ask for some modifications. Maybe we can work with him, maybe not. At least he is willing to consider it. It is a tough one, but the People would have been disappointed with much less.

    But the lesson here is 'Majority Governments' are what this country needs. So all of those seeking 'Proportional or Coalition' Govs, take a look.
  217. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: Urgent Message to Con Bloggers:

    1. Go forth and multiply. Use my talking points. Say it first and say it often. Attack enemy web-sites like CBC.ca and the Star most of all.

    2. Ignore the enemy's talking points. Don't worry about facts or supporting evidence. This isn't a debate. It's a shouting match.

    3. Do attack their leaders' credibility. His personality, looks and mannerisms are fair game. Go back as far as you can until you strike (pay)dirt. Name-calling is particularly effective.

    4. Remember, the sky will fall if the coalition was to take over. Repeat after me....
  218. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from Keeping receipts isn't costumary for cash received in brown envelopes, Canada writes: .

    Canadians can be confident that Mr Ignatieff is familiar with holding the fate of a dubious student in his hands and making a fair judgement on pass or failure.

    Whatever Mr Ignatieff decides, it will surely be is a good life lesson for Prince Stephen, and a further step toward 'growing into the job'.
  219. john dancy from Canada writes: reason passion, did you ever think that maybe Canadians pick the Conservatives during these times knowing they wont sink the ship.
    It is us who votes them in when things look bad.....
  220. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: john dancy from Canada writes: Luke Ellis, just wait until the social safety nets start to really cost us some money in the next few years. Great depression, 30% unemployment, now 8%. You say its the worst budget ever and complain it did not do anything. which is it a good budget for doing nothing or a bad budget for not doing enough. I guess I did not understand your point.....

    It is a bad budget because it will fail to stimulate anything, which was the point of the budget. So it is essentially burning tax dollars.

    The tax refund will not stimulate the economy because it is peanuts on an individual basis. Taxpayers will bank it or pay bills not buy cars. The Infrastructure spending which is the main stimulus point will not work because the municipalities have to pony up a bunch of cash before they can receive any meaning said infrastructure projects don't get off the ground. which means no jobs no stimulus. Retraining workers gives them good skills but they need jobs to go to which this budget does not create.
  221. john dancy from Canada writes: Harold K, because Mr Layton attacks everyone who thinks differently than himself. He really thinks he is the only one with an idea.
    So to see him fall down is amusing.
  222. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Mr. Perfect from Canada writes: Is Southern Ontario the New Cape Breton of Canada?
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    Actually Southern Ontario is probably as good a reflection of Canada as You could possibly get.... diversity is not always a bad thing.
    Cheers
  223. Ray Heard from TORONTO, Canada writes: I am a Liberal. Harper will survive. Why? Because it suits Iggy to consolidate his position for the next year while Harper hangs himself out to dry dealing with a Depression. Then, Iggy will strike, and his party will rule again. Its a question of timing....
  224. Flat Earth Society from Canada writes: I've really lost respect for the NDP under Layton. He sounds more and more like Duceppe by being on an auto-pilot 'i hate everthing the Cdn gov't does' tirade.
    As for Harper... he came out with a do-all budget that most will find hard to legitimatel criticize. As much as i hated the atttempted coalition coup, they certainly put Harper on the defensive and forced him to create a 'liberal friendly' budget. Iggy should give his lukewarm approval of this and try to glean some political points in suggesting that his strong arming the Cons helped shape this budget.
  225. Just Plain Blue from Toronto, Canada writes: Ignatieff: Sound and fury signifying nothing, the budget will pass!
  226. john dancy from Canada writes: Luke Ellis, sorry same team. its a little steamy in here and I am old.
    This budget was meant to give the Liberals a way out of their old leaders stupidity. The deal was done weeks ago.
    You and I know not all the money will be spent and compared to the 500 billion debt it is not to much considering....Whats missing is foresight. future r@d , the environment, energy self sufficiency, we could come out of this with the world leading banking and energy use the world would beat down our doors for....
  227. john dancy from Canada writes: Ray Heard, its a question of money and the Liberal party has none. No election until they do............
  228. Bill Tweezer from Canada writes: haha the wall is painted BLUE and the opposition parties say its PINK lmao us Canadians will never win!
  229. reason passion from Canada writes: Conservatives claim to be the steady hand, but clearly exhibit severe symptoms of shaky, fumbling fingers and blinkered, blurred vision. They're now wrapping the deficit albatross around taxpayer necks and taking the whole ship down - sinking with it to formerly unfathomable depths. Ahoy!
  230. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: alberta guy from Canada writes: Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: The proof will be in the pudding: EXECUTION. Will the Harper govt actually DO what it SAYS it will do????

    History, and Mr. Harper's personality style and ideology suggests - very unlikely. It is a shell game - a true CON.
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    Sure, and unlike the Liberals who do everything they say..like acting on Kyoto. Down the truth hole hey?

    >>> That is only one example...

    Anyway, I will give Mr. Harper and team a grudging benefit of the doubt for now, but sceptical Canadians will be watching. Do not mistake LPC votes for LPC support!
  231. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from Keeping receipts isn't costumary for cash received in brown envelopes, Canada writes: $1-billion over five years for a development agency to help people and businesses in Southern Ontario.

    Ah, good. Wee Jimmy takes a lick at the trough.
  232. john dancy from Canada writes: Flat Earth Society, the coalition did not try to get him to make a good budget. They were going to vote down whatever package he made. He turned it around on them and made the Liberal party give him someone to work with......Mr Ignatieff. Now we have a budget and the liberals will support it.
  233. pole cat from Canada writes: Ray Heard i remember some fellas in here saying the same thing about martin and dion.
  234. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: Hey no problem

    I probably came off a little too hot in my reply I am used to defending my points against mad foam con bots.
  235. Randal Oulton from Toronto, Canada writes: >> Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Cancelling the $1.95 will likely be part of the next election platform and they will win on it. It once again was something forced down the publics throat by chretian without and public input whatsoever. A lot of people hate the idea of it and want it gone and so it will be after the next election.

    I hate the idea of it, too. On my tax form, I'd rather a choice of it going to a charity or a political party, or even, to debt reduction.
  236. john dancy from Canada writes: reason passion , Mr Trudeau did that in ten years. Go click on the deficit chart , top corner of the politics page. Look who gave us the debt in the first place...... we have been trying to get ahead since.
  237. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: john dancy from Canada writes: Flat Earth Society, the coalition did not try to get him to make a good budget. They were going to vote down whatever package he made. He turned it around on them and made the Liberal party give him someone to work with......Mr Ignatieff. Now we have a budget and the liberals will support it.
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    So you are saying that all that has transcribed since last election has been and will be good for Canada??
  238. I'm Michael Ignatieff and You're Not from Canada writes: It would appear very few posters on this blog have taken any time to read even a summary of the budget features. It is very complex and requires time. Get with it and stop passing on media dribble.
  239. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Randal Oulton from Toronto, Canada writes: >> Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Cancelling the $1.95 will likely be part of the next election platform and they will win on it. It once again was something forced down the publics throat by chretian without and public input whatsoever. A lot of people hate the idea of it and want it gone and so it will be after the next election.

    I hate the idea of it, too. On my tax form, I'd rather a choice of it going to a charity or a political party, or even, to debt reduction.
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    But you are in favor of the 75% tax credit for political donations??
  240. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from If I had known I would get caught I never would have done it, Canada writes: .

    To my dear fellow Conservatives, let's be realistic, does Ignatieff seem foolish enough to leave a viper like Harper alive underfoot when he's got his heel on its neck right now?
  241. David Griffith from NS, Canada writes: To the funny Liberals here who are so against this budget, are you that stupid not to see that Harper pretty much did exactly what Iggy would have done had he been in power? Iggy can't vote it down, because he'd have to table the same budget as soon as he took power, lol.

    Liberals: great for comic relief. :)
  242. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: Randal Oulton from Toronto, Canada writes: >> Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Cancelling the $1.95 will likely be part of the next election platform and they will win on it. It once again was something forced down the publics throat by chretian without and public input whatsoever. A lot of people hate the idea of it and want it gone and so it will be after the next election.

    I hate the idea of it, too. On my tax form, I'd rather a choice of it going to a charity or a political party, or even, to debt reduction.

    Randal and Pete the issue of $1.95 was actually noted in this article here is the text:

    Opposition MPs were stunned when the Tories used the economic crisis to justify scrapping the $1.95-per-vote public subsidy for political parties. Loss of the grant, worth about $30-million in total, would have financially crushed the parties save for the cash-flush Conservatives.

    A party only gets $1.95 if you vote for them. If you vote con; cons get it. If you vote lib; libs get it. If you don't vote no one gets it.

    Creating a situation in which you create an extreme advantage for your own party and cripple others is not democratic. I would even say it is the opposite of democratic.
  243. Ob Server from Canada writes: Gerry Wanna Sandwich...If Iggy crushes the budget we either get a coalition or an election. I don't want Jack any closer to the speaker so I'm holding my nose and giving it the nod which is exactly what Iggy will do tomorrow. Anyone who believes any other outcome is possible is smoking some bad grass.
    No Hoar...Thanks for the laugh with the call between Con Donor and Wee Jimmy....Hilarious!

    People, go to sleep already...THE FIX IS IN....BUDGET IS A DONE DEAL!!
  244. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: David Griffith from NS, Canada writes: To the funny Liberals here who are so against this budget, are you that stupid not to see that Harper pretty much did exactly what Iggy would have done had he been in power? Iggy can't vote it down, because he'd have to table the same budget as soon as he took power, lol.

    Liberals: great for comic relief. :)

    I am against this budget but I am not a liberal. I don't have a partisan leaning I vote based on who I think will do the best job for Canada. I am against Harper because he is not a leader. If Ignatieff suggested the same budget I would still not support it because I do not support this do nothing budget.
  245. john dancy from Canada writes: Garibaldi III, I think what happened is a big wast of time. Mr Harpers did what he had to do to break the coalition. It worked.
    The good thing I see is that the Liberal party and the Conservative party are , behind closed doors, working together. The Bloc and the NDP are useless when the two main parties do work together.
    I am disappointed that because of this big distraction and the resulting budget meant to make everyone happy real forward looking thinking did not get included.
    Mr Obama told the car companies to be ready for tough new fuel efficient standards. Now he answers to no one in their system so it is a little easier. But I think we have a great chance to come out of this with the world wanting what we have. safe banking, an environment that is clean, and the technologies for sale to make that happen. whew dont ask me those kind of questions again please my fingers are sore.
  246. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: David Griffith from NS, Canada writes: To the funny Liberals here who are so against this budget, are you that stupid not to see that Harper pretty much did exactly what Iggy would have done had he been in power? Iggy can't vote it down, because he'd have to table the same budget as soon as he took power, lol.

    Liberals: great for comic relief. :)
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    And I'm sure you will still support it.... :-)
  247. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from If I had known I would get caught I never would have done it, Canada writes: .

    As his political life flashes before his eyes, what does Harpo regret more ... the hundreds of millions blown on (a) the illegal and unnecessary election, or (b) the massive (attempted) vote-buy in Quebec? I'm guessing B, even though strategically A has turned out more costly.
  248. David Griffith from NS, Canada writes: Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes:
    I am against this budget but I am not a liberal. I don't have a partisan leaning I vote based on who I think will do the best job for Canada. I am against Harper because he is not a leader. If Ignatieff suggested the same budget I would still not support it because I do not support this do nothing budget.
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    So then, since Iggy practically wrote this budget, via threats, Happy Jack doesn't support anything (he just wants to be a coalition cabinet minister -- poor, poor Jack), and Duceppe, well, we all know what Duceppe is all about....

    What's the alternative?
  249. D. MacKay from Atlantic, Canada writes:

    The $1.95 coalition .... the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies.

    After Iggy crushes the dreams of the Mouse King tomorrow , I wonder what tune Oliva will hum little Jackie to sleep ...

    Hush little baby ...?
  250. David Griffith from NS, Canada writes: D. MacKay from Atlantic, Canada writes:

    The $1.95 coalition .... the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies.

    After Iggy crushes the dreams of the Mouse King tomorrow , I wonder what tune Oliva will hum little Jackie to sleep ...

    Hush little baby ...?
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    Its My Party (and I'll Cry If I want to...')
  251. suedoe nimh from Canada writes: the budget was just wonderful. debt? it'll be gone before you know it. jim flaherty is a sharp guy. everybody who just loves stevie wonder and his incredible magic show have already forgotten that flaherty said we'll just weather the storm 'cause we're in great shape, the world economy is flopping around like a bunch of trained seals, but we're somebody with stiff and uncomfortable at the helm.
    you guys have huge empty spaces but a lot of what a cat licks its adz with. what a bunch! conservatives? they're the ones with the bulging briefcases full of old newspapers and the boss's lunch.
  252. Red-necked and persecuted from Canada writes: They haven't seen the error of their ways on income trust taxation - take em Iggy!
  253. Andrew B. from Canada writes:
    Judging by the amount of unfocused venom directed at Jack Layton on this board, I can only come to one conclusion:

    Someone must be very afraid of him.

    Meanwhile, I am starting to gain more respect for Michael Ignatieff. He really is showing himself to be a master strategist. He must be well-versed in military history.

    Sleep well.
  254. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: john dancy from Canada writes: Garibaldi III, I think what happened is a big wast of time. Mr Harpers did what he had to do to break the coalition. It worked.
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    A big costly waste of time it was.....

    From my perspective, Red-Tories Blue-Liberals have elected every government since inception and will continue to do so. They have always favored the better leadership while penalizing the incumbents misdeeds;
    Next time won't be any different.

    A lot of misguided sheep will try to argue that it's right vs left or east vs west or whatever, but the fact is that it has always come down to the 60-80 swing ridings outside the large metropolitan areas and next time won't be any different.

    If you honestly believe that Harper, in those swing ridings is in a better position today and you are a Harper supporter; I'm happy for You....I just happen to like happy people.
    Cheers
  255. Wilf Kruggel from Canada writes: Reading these responses, I get the feeling the lefties are thoroughly ticked off and really haven't a clue what they are talking about or what is going on around them. Also, the biggest embarrasment has to be the 'bobsy twins', Gilles and Wannabe P.M Jackie. They are both voting against the budget. Those two losers deserve each other Wilf
  256. diane marie from Canada writes: Mr. Harper didn't 'break' the coalition. The specter of a coalition broke him.
  257. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Wilf Kruggel from Canada writes: Reading these responses, I get the feeling the lefties are thoroughly ticked off and really haven't a clue what they are talking about or what is going on around them. Also, the biggest embarrasment has to be the 'bobsy twins', Gilles and Wannabe P.M Jackie. They are both voting against the budget. Those two losers deserve each other Wilf
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    That is the beauty of democracy; two idiots can vote out a genius.
    :-)
  258. W Price from Canada writes: The emperor has no clothes! There is essentially nothing ( well, maybe $25.00/month in tax cuts...) in this unimaginitive 'budget' to do anything for the majority of individual Canadians. Note the headline: $12 Billion for auto lease corps. Vulnerable, indeed.
  259. Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: Red-necked and persecuted from Canada writes: They haven't seen the error of their ways on income trust taxation - take em Iggy!
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    I have been watching budget coverage for 2 hours on CBC and BNN and I have not heard one person raise the trust taxation issue. Doesn't sound like that situation is changing regardless of who governs. Confirms what I always thought which is the conservatives made a tough decision which was actually the right decision.
  260. Derek Holtom from Swan River, Canada writes: glad to see the National Post weed out all the useless partisan posts. i guess they can afford a moderator, and the Globe cannot
    yet to see what those who oppose this would want done differently
    given that this is essentially a liberal (small l) budget, i wonder what some would want instead?
    and the bloc and ndp? niche parties, minor players in Canada. they proved that again today
  261. kotter 49 from Canada writes: I'm tired of all of this. Maybe we can unleash Jack Bauer on the whole bunch of them.
  262. Sue G. from Canada writes: Sylvia Wilson from Canada writes: ….. Municipalities have warned that they could be forced to raise taxes or go into debt …
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    Go into debt - and other levels of government are not?

    Have you noticed that the Mayor’s are the most adverse to being accountable to their voting base. They are always wanting someone else to raise the money - so they can be the good guys and spend it. We can not vote federally to get rid of a bad mayor. If they are not willing to raise their project 1/3, how real is their need?
  263. Alistair McLaughlin from Canada writes: There is no coalition. It doesn't exist, and Iggy would have nothing to do with it if it still did exist. Get over it.
  264. The Skipper from Canada writes: Bottom Line -- Ignatieff doesn't want to irritate the Canadian voter ! And Jack Layton (the pinko) doesn't count ! And Duceppe - well, what can you say about a guy who doesn't like the rest of Canada, yet likes our tax dollars !
  265. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: john dancy from Canada writes: Flat Earth Society, the coalition did not try to get him to make a good budget. They were going to vote down whatever package he made. He turned it around on them and made the Liberal party give him someone to work with......Mr Ignatieff. Now we have a budget and the liberals will support it.

    >>>> Dancy, talk about revisionist history... No, the threat of the Coalition force the Conservatives to 'play well with others' in parliament, or else get kicked out of the sandbox. Sadly, bereft of any belief of their own in the effectivess of limited government, the Cons adopted (i.e., plagarized) much of the Liberal plan - slighly influenced by the NDP.

    In either case, now the LPC has a clear blueprint upon which to hold the Cons accountable.

    Based on past behaviour, Harper and company will not really deliver, dragging their heels as much as they can (because they don't really believe in most of these policies - so will water them down as much as possible).

    When Canadians realize this, and the economy and Canadians are still struggling, the rage will translate into a Liberal majority.

    Thank you Mr. Harper.

    Cheers.
  266. Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: diane marie from Canada writes: Mr. Harper didn't 'break' the coalition. The specter of a coalition broke him.
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    Yes I guess that he will have to find solace in the fact that he is still PM, held power and is still the best political strategist in the commons. I am sure that will turn his frown upside down.
  267. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: As I see it the LPT are in a really predicament. In choosing Mr. Ignatieff they have a 67 yr old neophyte with no legislative history. Mr. Ignatieff's first real test could be the defining moment for the LPT for the next 10 yrs. If Mr. Ignatieff votes for the budget, then he owns part of it because it is a minority gov't after all. If he votes against the budget, then his options are either an election he can't afford or a Coalition he doesn't want. Mr. Ignatieff had better bring his A game or the PM is going to feed him to the same sharks that got Mr. Dion. Mr. Ignatieff also had better realize quickly that he is not in a lecture hall, and his Petulant Professor act is not going to get him any where against a PM who plays politics like it is a blood sport.
  268. M. Owens from calgary, Canada writes: If the budget is defeated, the earliest any new budget could be delivered would be more than 30 days from now. There goes the coalitions's justification for grabbing power........

    And the coalition mentioned spending of $30 billion.

    I dare the coalition to defeat the budget, and run to the GG. If the GG refuses their coalition, and calls an election, NDP and Libbies are doomed. If those parties are so sure about their support, they should be eager for an election...
  269. M. Owens from calgary, Canada writes: The Libbies and NDP keep ranting about confidence in the house of commons. That seems really arrogant, since the house is here to SERVE Canadians, and Canadians are not being served by power hunger ego maniacs (who 78% and 84% of Canadians did not vote for).
  270. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: diane marie from Canada writes: Mr. Harper didn't 'break' the coalition. The specter of a coalition broke him.
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    Yes I guess that he will have to find solace in the fact that he is still PM, held power and is still the best political strategist in the commons. I am sure that will turn his frown upside down.

    >>>>>> Bob, thank you for confirming non-cons sneaking suspicions. Harper and the gang are solely focused on maintaining power, and political gamesmanship.

    Fortunately, Canadians want a PM and governing party who put the country first, is pragmatic rather than idealogicial, and actually tries to listen and respects opposing viewpoints.

    They (will) want Mr. Ingatieff. (Unfortunately, Mr. Obama is not available.)

    Cheers.
  271. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: I CAN IMAGINE the CONFLICT that the AVERAGE CENTERIST CANADIAN (who cares about politics) IS EXPERIENCING: ~MY HEART - I want a change in government, based on the past juvenile behaviour, gamesmanship, and hyper-partisanship of the PM and his team - I want a PM who puts Canada first, cares about all Canadians and all regions - I want a government that is open, open-minded, and has integrity and respects others - I want a government whose ministers focus more on effective and efficient government that delivers for Canadians, rather than focus on partisanship and serving pork to supporters - I want a government who balances fiscal responsibility with social responsibility, and who believes that governments can, within limits, support important aspects of Canadian society, such as research and development and improved infrastructural efficiency. - I want a government that cares about the environment, is concerned about GHG and global warming, and sees investing in green technology as essential (even the Dragon's Den entrepreneurs understand that!) ~MY HEAD - There is not enough 'poison pills' in the budget to bring down the govt; Canadians won't tolerate than - not in such bad times. - I want to avoid a coalition with the NDP and Bloc, if possible. There will be too much baggage to carry into the next election... - Even if the budget is supported, I know that Harper and crew will eventually slip up, because they fundamentally don't believe in much of the policies (except tax cuts) - When they slip up, the government will crumble. CON-CLUSION: For now I will be patient, bide my time, and give them enough rope, as they say... Canadians are fundamentally pragmatic, socially responsible, centrists and it is just a matter of time until they chose a government that reflects those values. Cheers!
  272. Helen Boyd from Calgary, Canada writes: Thanks to Michael Ignatieff for keeping Stephen Harper 'on a short leash', forcing Conservatives to expand their vision beyond the needs (wants) of the affluent, priveleged Canadian! Does the budget go far enough to meet the needs of the average and lower income Canadian.........probably NOT, but just think of where we'd be if Ignatieff's Liberals didn't restrain Harper's 'extreme right-wing' economic policies!!!!!! A scary thought, politically and especially, in our current times, economically!!!!!!!!!!
  273. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Cancelling the $1.95 will likely be part of the next election platform and they will win on it. It once again was something forced down the publics throat by chretian without and public input whatsoever. A lot of people hate the idea of it and want it gone and so it will be after the next election.


    So tell me this Pete; why didn't der fuhrer run it as part an election platform last October?
  274. Norman Petit from Calgary, Canada writes: The Liberals will vote for the budget and will serve the Canadian people by holding the Conservative Party's feet to the fire to ensure actions and not just words.

    P.S. - John Smith - Igniatieff is 61, not 67.
  275. Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: Harold K,

    What do you think the last 3 months have been about? You think the coalition was about serving Canadians. Do you think Ignatieff taking the leadership reigns away from Dion was about serving Canada. Politics is entirely about having the power first and serving second because you don't get to serve if you don't have power.

    The politicians all get this but apparently a few Canadians are naive. The objective is to get to be PM. Some are better at politics than others. Harper is good at it. Dion not. Ignatieff still early but he is being taught a lesson while he thinks he is teaching one. Even academic smarts pales in comparison to political smarts in the political arena
  276. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: (reform-ated) The AVERAGE CENTERIST CANADIAN (who cares about politics) IS EXPERIENCING a CONFLICT: ~MY HEART - I want a change in government, based on the past juvenile behaviour, gamesmanship, and hyper-partisanship of the PM and his team - I want a PM who puts Canada first, cares about all Canadians and all regions - I want a government that is open, open-minded, and has integrity and respects others - I want a government whose ministers focus more on effective and efficient government that delivers for Canadians, rather than focus on partisanship and serving pork to supporters - I want a government who balances fiscal responsibility with social responsibility, and who believes that governments can, within limits, support important aspects of Canadian society, such as research and development and improved infrastructural efficiency. - I want a government that cares about the environment, is concerned about GHG and global warming, and sees investing in green technology as essential (even the Dragon's Den entrepreneurs understand that!) ~MY HEAD - There is not enough 'poison pills' in the budget to bring down the govt; Canadians won't tolerate than - not in such bad times. - I want to avoid a coalition with the NDP and Bloc, if possible. There will be too much baggage to carry into the next election... - Even if the budget is supported, I know that Harper and crew will eventually slip up, because they fundamentally don't believe in much of the policies (except tax cuts) - When they slip up, the government will crumble. CON-CLUSION: For now I will be patient, bide my time, and give them enough rope, as they say... Canadians are fundamentally pragmatic, socially responsible, centrists and it is just a matter of time until they chose a government that reflects those values. Cheers!
  277. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: David Griffith from NS, Canada writes: Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes:
    I am against this budget but I am not a liberal. I don't have a partisan leaning I vote based on who I think will do the best job for Canada. I am against Harper because he is not a leader. If Ignatieff suggested the same budget I would still not support it because I do not support this do nothing budget.
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    So then, since Iggy practically wrote this budget, via threats, Happy Jack doesn't support anything (he just wants to be a coalition cabinet minister -- poor, poor Jack), and Duceppe, well, we all know what Duceppe is all about....

    What's the alternative?

    I would say at this point Ignatieff is our best shot at a leader. If he did get the position he would have to make some serious revisions as he could not vote down this government based on this budget and then run the same budget. I don't have a problem spending money trying to fix the problem as long as it is on long term investments. Examples: not Tax Cuts we will need the money to get out of the deficit afterward and tax cuts do not equate to stimulus. Infrastructure spending is good but askign the municipalities to pony up part of the money means it does not get started and there are no jobs created. So just give the money to the projects to create those jobs without asking a downpayment. Renewable energy sources like solar and wind. These energy sources take about 10 years to pay for themselves but after that aside from maintenance it starts to turn it's profits. Also unless the sun explodes both energy sources are virtually limitless. We will have created new jobs in these fields which we could use the ei training programs to facilitate the new workers.

    Just some ideas
  278. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:
    2009 budget.
    LPC 1
    CPC 0
    Canada gets screwed again
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    LPC 0
    CPC -1

    CPC worshippers lose-(notice the spelling) an prophet :-)
  279. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Imagine. All the critics have not have their desires met with this budget. Duh? Toronto should be ashamed of themselves for they are getting more out of this budget than any other group of Canadians.

    The auto/unions get billions and Layton is still whining.

    Duceppe will vote down the budget cuz he just lost his billions promised to him by the coalition. LOL.

    And Ignatieff thinks not giving his ok to day, rather saving it for tomorrow will be seen as astute politics. God. And the left $itch and whine incessantly about Harpers political posturing. Go figure?
  280. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Norman Petit from Calgary, Canada writes: The Liberals will vote for the budget and will serve the Canadian people by holding the Conservative Party's feet to the fire to ensure actions and not just words.

    P.S. - John Smith - Igniatieff is 61, not 67.

    >>>> Norm, well-said; a (much) briefer summary of the situation than mine, but we said essentually the same thing.

    Cheers from the other side of the Great Lakes.
    Nite Folks
  281. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Helen Boyd from Calgary, Canada writes: Thanks to Michael Ignatieff for keeping Stephen Harper 'on a short leash', forcing Conservatives to expand their vision beyond the needs (wants) of the affluent, priveleged Canadian! Does the budget go far enough to meet the needs of the average and lower income Canadian.........probably NOT, but just think of where we'd be if Ignatieff's Liberals didn't restrain Harper's 'extreme right-wing' economic policies!!!!!! A scary thought, politically and especially, in our current times, economically!!!!!!!!!!

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    Helen, I just don't understand. Do you really think Mr. Ignatieff is Canada's saviour or are you just looking for an excuse to spew vitriol about PM Harper? Since Mr. Ignatieff has no legislative history and has only returned to Canada 3 yrs ago, I thinks it's premature to consider him as Saviour of Canada just yet. If you want to discuss right-wing politics, I would suggest you first read Mr. Ignatieff's book 'The Lesser Evil' .
  282. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Norman Petit from Calgary, Canada writes: The Liberals will vote for the budget and will serve the Canadian people by holding the Conservative Party's feet to the fire to ensure actions and not just words.

    P.S. - John Smith - Igniatieff is 61, not 67.

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    Norman, I stand corrected. Now please tell me what major legislation or any other accomplishments for the betterment of Canada we can attribute to Mr. Ignatieff during his 61 yrs?
  283. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: (reform-ated one more time) The AVERAGE CENTERIST CANADIAN (who cares about politics) IS EXPERIENCING a CONFLICT: ~MY HEART - I want a change in government, based on the past juvenile behaviour, gamesmanship, and hyper-partisanship of the PM and his team - I want a PM who puts Canada first, cares about all Canadians and all regions - I want a government that is open, open-minded, and has integrity and respects others - I want a government whose ministers focus more on effective and efficient government that delivers for Canadians, rather than focus on partisanship and serving pork to supporters - I want a government who balances fiscal responsibility with social responsibility, and who believes that governments can, within limits, support important aspects of Canadian society, such as research and development and improved infrastructural efficiency. - I want a government that cares about the environment, is concerned about GHG and global warming, and sees investing in green technology as essential (even the Dragon's Den entrepreneurs understand that!) ~MY HEAD - There is not enough 'poison pills' in the budget to bring down the govt; Canadians won't tolerate than - not in such bad times. - I want to avoid a coalition with the NDP and Bloc, if possible. There will be too much baggage to carry into the next election... - Even if the budget is supported, I know that Harper and crew will eventually slip up, because they fundamentally don't believe in much of the policies (except tax cuts) - When they slip up, the government will crumble. CON-CLUSION: For now I will be patient, bide my time, and give them enough rope, as they say... Canadians are fundamentally pragmatic, socially responsible, centrists and it is just a matter of time until they chose a government that reflects those values. Cheers!
  284. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: son
    of
    a
    gun!

    sorry about the repeat posts, folks

    for some reason, the formating su cks

    Nite
  285. Tor Hill Sask. from Canada writes: Quebec will surely occupy some of Mr. Ignatieff's thinking tonight. What Mr. Harper gave wildly away some years ago, he (Mr. Harper) now wants to take back, through yet another new equalization formula. Who will Quebec turn to if this budget passes, the Liberals or the Bloc? Quebec will still play a role in deciding whether we get a majority or minority government come the next election.
  286. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Harold K, take your finger off the repeat button dude.
  287. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Uh-huh; Four posts and some of you still don' get it.

    What ya gonna do.

    Yo' Mama said 'Love Blinds'

    I say 'Partisanship Blinds'

    - G-Nite, from the Centre of Canada
  288. adi john from Canada writes: Yeah... Craper's Choice. Few things that an Intelligent Government would be proud of. Go for it, and let the middle class go poorer. Why not keeping alive these car dealers, that offer you free coffee for 30 K cars. Then, pay the debt and be free.
  289. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Tor Hill Sask. More to the question. Who will the Quebecers turn to if the budget is not ???
  290. diane marie from Canada writes: Kady O'Malley mentioned in last week's At Issue Panel that there would be other ways for the LPC to exert influence on the budget other than to just defeat it. The matter came up again tonight. The LPC could offer an amendment to the budget, which would then be put forward as a confidence motion. The government would have to negotiate the contents of that amendment or else be defeated.
  291. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: diane marie, you think that Canadians will forgive the left for 300 million plus dollars election costs that would do nothing to resolve our current problems except add to them. All because your team is out of office. Bring on the election. We will see how stupid Ignatieff is and if you make it as part of his advisory board. LOL.
  292. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Diane Marie,
    Yes! A good point - challenge the Harper government's budget, without directly defeating it.

    - A good way to shape some of the budget.
    - A good way to politically distance the LPC from 'wearing' to much of the budget.

    Cheers & G-Nite
    _____

    ps. since you appear to be a BIG Kady O fan, you may want to know (from her Facebook page)...

    '
    Kady O'Malley is a fan of:
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    Jack Layton
    Stephen Harper
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  293. No Hoar Like An Old Hoar from I reported it to Revenue Canada when I realized they would discover it, Canada writes: .

    Iggy should propose and amendment to the budget: A carbon tax.

    See how Steve likes that one.
  294. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: diane marie from Canada writes: Kady O'Malley mentioned in last week's At Issue Panel that there would be other ways for the LPC to exert influence on the budget other than to just defeat it. The matter came up again tonight. The LPC could offer an amendment to the budget, which would then be put forward as a confidence motion. The government would have to negotiate the contents of that amendment or else be defeated.

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    And the more they influence the budget the more they own it. I see the LPT returning to the strategy of the 'Forgetful Canadian'. maybe the LPT braintrust figures that if they wait long enough voters will forget that the LPT wanted to impose a Carborn Tax during a recession, wanted to form a Coalition propped up by the Separatists, and that it is minority gov't budget in the first place.
  295. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: diane marie, you think that Canadians will forgive the left for 300 million plus dollars election costs that would do nothing to resolve our current problems except add to them.

    >>> Who chose the last election - prematurely, against his own legislation, for no good reason??
  296. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: diane marie, you think that Canadians will forgive the left for 300 million plus dollars election costs that would do nothing to resolve our current problems except add to them. All because your team is out of office. Bring on the election. We will see how stupid Ignatieff is and if you make it as part of his advisory board. LOL.

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    Is this the LPT defense for voting in favour of the budget? They would rather have a $64B deficit rather than spend $300M on an election.
  297. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: Harold K., Mr. Harper had plenty of good reasons:

    1) he knew the economic meltdown was about to blow and he would have no chance of a majority when it did

    2) he was about to get skewered again in Parliament, over the 'in and out' scheme, Cadman, Schreiber/Mulroney, Khadr, etc.

    3) Obama was about to get elected in the USA, a progressive who could only make him look still more deficient
  298. Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes:

    As a Conservative supporter and voter, I’m at the point where I don&8217;t care who governs anymore.

    If Harper governs with a minority, his hands are tied behind his back with constant punches to the gut from the losers. He unfortunately is not able to make the changes that are required to really fix brokedown Canada.

    If the Coalition governs, the good flip side to this is that the West will finally give serious thought to divorce Canada which would be a good thing, to finally get rid of the ball and chain.

    .
  299. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: I suspect the Liberal Party of Toronto is pretty nervous right now. The chose a 62 yr old neophyte with no legislative history as their leader, and his day in the HoC he has to decide the future of their Party. Sure they vote for the budget or even offer addendums, but the more influence they have over the budget the more they own it.
  300. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Here is an example of the absurdity of this budget. They have given new money (although small amounts-about 10 million/yr) for funding graduate students to train as scientists. They gave no new money to these granting councils to fund the research that will train these students. In fact, they talk about how they are going to be able to save money from the CIHR and NSERC budgets by having them realign with the government's research strategy. This, after three years of decay of these budgets thanks to CPC neglect. So, what is the government strategy? It is to eliminate basic research and turn the government-funded research into a cheap source of labor for industry. The big problem with this approach is that the very same scientists who work for a fraction of what they would make in the private sector in exchange for pursuing their passions will be told what to do by the government. The result is that any talented scientist will either move to industry (likely in the U.S. because the size of the industry in the U.S. is much larger) or move to academic positions elsewhere throughout the world precisely because they have highly marketable skills.

    So, in summary, create new spaces for training graduate students but don't provide the research dollars so that they can actually be trained. A completely brainless and incompetent solution for a government that claims that a knowledge advantage is one of their priorities.
  301. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Harold K.

    who won the 1942 national championship?

    And what has that got to do with the price of coffee?

    And if A does something that has you ranting against ad nauseam, how does it become the right thing for B to do over night?

    These questions and many more await your I'm not a partisan, I just hate Harper and conservatives in general biased outlook.
  302. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Natasha Oilsov, 'the West' is not Alberta and even in Alberta you will never find majority support for separation. Western conservatives like to go on this rant about separation but the hardcore western conservative isn't even a majority in Alberta. By the way, if you want to find incompetence in managing government dollars and if you want to find a government that spends recklessly (1.5X per capita spending of Quebec and the highest per capita spending without the highest level of government services) just look to Alberta.
  303. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Richard, yes, I realize there were tactical reasons.
    I meant that PMH did not have any legitimate reasons for a premature election.

    Diane Marie, the other strategy for the LPC (according to pollster, Allan Gregg) is to take credit for the budget; they forced the Tories to make the 180-degree shift in adopting many of these policies.

    Personally, I prefer O'Malley's suggestion (as there are big holes in the budget), but politically Gregg's approach may be better. Of course, one could adopt both...

    Cheers (from the centre of the... galaxy)
  304. martha stewart from Canada writes: Bobby Dy - Good to see your diligently lobbying for your profession! If the engineering industry can lobby, why not yours?

    The great Dead Coalition circus is just about coming to a close. It was sure fun while it lasted.
  305. Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes:

    Bobby Dy,

    Times have changed in the West, we won’t be buggered anymore. A coalition will definitely push all the wrong buttons. Alberta is not Quebec, we don&8217;t bluff.

    .
  306. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes:

    If the Coalition governs, the good flip side to this is that the West will finally give serious thought to divorce Canada which would be a good thing, to finally get rid of the ball and chain.

    >>> Talk about rigidity; time to come up with another talking point, Natasha! (have the Alberta clippers frozen your thoughts?! lol.)

    Cheers.
  307. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: {Bobby,
    FYI, Natasha is essentially a 'thread troll', bringing up her one-note call for Alberta separation, again and again and...

    Cheers. }
  308. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: John Smith, I don't know what to call that type of thinking. Especially since it has come from someone who has pilloried and maligned Harper for 3 years for his political posturing and brinkmanship. Now that Ignatieff is in the LPC high chair Diane suddenly favour such behaviour and wants Ignatieff to push even harder on the budget so it goes to a confidence vote. Though I don't think Ignatieff has the juice to do that with his 77 seats. He would have to take up the coalition to make it a confidence issue I think, and then as you say, choose between 64billions over 5 years or 300 millions and then the very same 64 billions come summer. And us, the electorate, left to wait with zero relief over his decision.
  309. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Natasha Oilsov, I live in Alberta and have always lived in the West. The West is not the conservative bastion that Albertans would like to believe. They elect more members as an anomaly of our first past the post system but it doesn't reflect the culture of the urban west.
  310. Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes:

    To pay more money than the rest of Canada with less representation, not a recipe for success.

    Each Alberta taxpayer pays an extra 1,000 dollars per month to call its country Canada rather than Western Canada. All its going to take is a dynamic leader to step up and point that out. It wont be that hard of a sales pitch as you think.

    .
  311. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Here is an example of the absurdity of this budget.

    >>> Good example of the potential problems of top-down targeting in budgets.

    In many cases, the provinces or municipalities are in a much better position to target the funds properly, efficiently.
  312. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: M. Owens from calgary, Canada writes: The Libbies and NDP keep ranting about confidence in the house of commons. That seems really arrogant, since the house is here to SERVE Canadians, and Canadians are not being served by power hunger ego maniacs (who 78% and 84% of Canadians did not vote for


    M.; since you like percentages, don't forget the CPC only managed 37% themselves, hardly a ringing endorsement. So get over yourself, the CPC didn't do that well considering their opposition.
  313. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: The coalition is dead in your Tory dream. It will take force tomorrow, some budget amendment time or soon thereafter. The NDP and the Bloc have lost TRUST in Mr. Harper. They don't believe him and won't deal with him, kinda like the way we treat 'terrorist' organizations.

    Mr. Ignatieff simply has to play it smart. Keep his eye on the ball (confidence of the majority in the House). Keep the coalition alive, building on budgetary measures to forge a more complete progressive alternative. Be ready when, inevitably, Mr. Harper screws up again, next week or next month.

    p.s. Harold K., I knew you knew.
  314. A reader from Canada writes: Heaven help Canada with all the leftists out there. I guess they don't realize that hard working taxpaying Canadians are footing their bills. I'm tired of always being looked as the guilty party because I chose to work, save , sacrifice and live within my means. The lefties feel that the middle class is entitled to nothing more than the opportunity to pay their bills so that they enjoy the pleasures of life and spend, spend and spend. I guess the lefties will only be happy when I live within my means so that they can live much beyond their means. Life is not fair but what is happening is beyond fair.
  315. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Is Mr. Ignatieff really the best the LPT can do? I mean was there no one else they could choose rather then a 62 yr old, politically unaccomplished, professor who hasn't lived in Canada for the for 36 of the last 40 yrs.
  316. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: By saying I am 'non-partisan', I mean that I am not wedded to any political party. I have at times voted LPC, PC, and NDP - though I cannot imagine voting CPC, just as I would not have supported Mike 'the hammer' Harris in Ontario.

    Like many Canadians I am a centerist and pragmatist. In that sense I am partisan - but I not closed to other ideas or positions (like some Cons appear to be).

    Good nite folks. From the centre... of my mind.
  317. Wayne Walker from Canada writes: Where do they get reporters like these two? They state that the opposition parties began to discuss acoalition AFTER the abortive fiscal update. If they knew how to read their own paper they would know the coalition was negotiated before the update. Does their editor not read the piece first?
  318. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: richard sharp from Gatineau...You are funny...lol...Your comment coming from someone who lives in a city that's main employer is the Federal gov't and is represented in the HoC by the Separatist Bloc. If I print up the Referendum ballots (free of charge) will you help me organize the vote? In fact, I'll bet I can get some funding out of the new budget to cover most of the costs.
  319. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: the LPT wanted to impose a Carborn Tax during a recession, wanted to form a Coalition propped up by the Separatists, and that it is minority gov't budget in the first place.

    John; Please go to your party's website and take a look at how many times they were supported by the BLOC. Reality bites.
  320. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: Mr. Walker, what a total red herring. The coalition was obviously forged after the Con's disastrous economic statement. Remember, Messrs. Broadbent and Chretien? That there were discussions of the possibility beforehand is a meaningless aside.
  321. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Wow, everyone seems so stimulated today !

    Wonder why ?

    Iggy has this choice to make on Wednesday :

    (a) Let a bad budget pass that will hugely increase our national defecit.

    (b) Team up with a separatist and a potential economic nightmare to form a 'coalition' government that will likely split our country between East and West.

    I am betting that he picks the former of the two options...

    Either way, it is lose-lose for the future of this country...

    Over and out.
  322. Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes:

    I love it when the dippers say we in the West are not serious. You say lets just get along and love each other. Well the love is lost with a coalition government.

    Go ahead, support a coalition government, I encourage you to do so and see what happens. Please, please, please do it.

    .
  323. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: Mr. Smith, actually the ridings around here are Liberal, in good part because I man named Trudeau moved a good chunk of federal operations across the bridge. Did wonders for federalism.

    I thought you Tories called 'separatists' 'sovereignists?' What happened? Oh yes, the coalition! Sedition. Treason!

    How despicable you folks were that week.
  324. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Harold K. centrist means nothing. Unless you have positioned yourself between two opposing extremes? If Harper does as he says is his want, and that is to move the CPC toward the centre, and Ignatieff being obviously right of center, then that means today a centrist stands between the LPC and the NDP. Which is to the left politically not the political centre. Capice?

    Everyone is a pragmatist as everyone is concerned primarily with the success or failure of their actions.
  325. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: John; Please go to your party's website and take a look at how many times they were supported by the BLOC. Reality bites.

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    Another way to look at it is that while the Bloc were in the HoC voting the LPT were refusing to vote. If the Bloc voted with the gov't that's their business. I don't remember a press conference where Mr. Duceppe and Mr. Harper signed an accord Mind you I CAN remember a press conference where Mr. Duceppe put into writting that he would support a LPT lead gov't. So get your facts straight.
  326. P. Greig from Kingston, ON, Canada writes: Oil futures contract price today (Jan 28/09) - use NYMEX light crude numbers March/09: $41.48 USD Dec/09: $53.71 USD Alberta conventional oil production peak: 1973 Alberta natural gas production peak: 2001 When you go hungry in your newly-minted republic, contact this fellow republican for assistance. His/her 'pantry' will be full of imported food: December 3, 2008 'Wilma Guywin' of Edmonton wrote: 'As an ordinary grandmother, I thought what can I do? I have wrote letters, signed petitions and will attend rallies but knowing full well it will be useless as Ontario and Quebec have spoken. ' 'As I began preparing my supper I noticed something, 98% of the food in my pantry and fridge either is produced or packaged in Ontario and Quebec.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes: As a Conservative supporter and voter, Im at the point where I don't care who governs anymore. If Harper governs with a minority, his hands are tied behind his back with constant punches to the gut from the losers. He unfortunately is not able to make the changes that are required to really fix brokedown Canada. If the Coalition governs, the good flip side to this is that the West will finally give serious thought to divorce Canada which would be a good thing, to finally get rid of the ball and chain.
  327. richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: Two more posts in a row that the West will not stand for a coalition. Rebellion in the streets, separation from Canada..... earlier there was a call to get your guns....

    So, let's count the number of western MPs in the House. Whoops, not enough to stop the opposition parties from doing what they feel is right for ALL of Canada
  328. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada ; Thank you for living in Edmonton. If you were my neighbour I would probably have called the authorities to stem your screaming at everyone on the street for having the audacity to cross in front of your house.
  329. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes:


    However you look at it, the fact remains that the CPC is boasting that the BLOC supported them 140 times, THOSE are the facts. Look at the site.
  330. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: richard sharp from Gatineau, writes: Mr. Smith, actually the ridings around here are Liberal

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    The MP for Gatineau is Richard Nadeau. Look him up and you`ll see he is Bloc
  331. Wayne Walker from Canada writes: Really don't like this Budget by committee. Would have preferred some vision. When you consult everybody you end up with an American style plan with a myriad of useless little projects to appease and ensure (buy) the votes. As far as Ignatieff's decision tomorrow, that will largely be determined by the polling which was undoubtedly being done in the evening hours. The Liberals are famous for policy by polls. The polls killed off Dion and the Coalition in December. My guess is that the polls will say there is little stomach for a coalition and for yet another delay in getting a Budget approved. The same is likely true for forcing an election without allowing any action on the economy. Liberals will probably be best to wait for summer or fall and hope the economy gets worse. With no grass roots organization they will have to wait until Quebec is ready for them.
  332. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Dan xxxxxx, and that begs the question. What motivated the BLOC to vote in favour of 140 Conservative initiatives but to side with the Liberals in a coalition government with the likes of the NDP?

    The BLOC has more in common with the CPC using your argument. Nothing in common with the NDP.

    Kind of looks like the NDP are the ones getting played by two right of centre parties who have more in common with this Conservative government.
  333. Wayne Walker from Canada writes: Richard Sharp: The dumb letters of agreement were signed brfore the dumb update.
  334. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: Troubled Youth from Everywhere: I don't think the BLOC has anything in common with anyone outside Quebec. They want what they think will to the greatest benefit to their province, thereby making themselves look better in the eyes of their population. Politicians, that's all. To say the LPT is at the beck and call of Harper, just negates any argument the posters have. They relied on the support of any of the parties to get their agenda through. I was disgusted with Dion for not having the guts to stand up to Harper, but Harper still relied on The party he likes to call separtists as much as he bullied Dion.
  335. John Smith from Support Ontario Bill 93-Ottawa,ON, Canada writes: Does anyone else see the irony in the LPT trying to convince the voters they are the better chose to lead Canada, while their political fortunes rest on the Canadian economy going down the tubesÉ The worst thing that could happen to the LPT is if the economy rebounds by the end of the year.
  336. Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Dan xxxxxx, a minority government has to make deals with all ideologically opposing elements and play them off of each other when necessary. That is party politics in general but, especially so when a minority sits in Parliament.

    Are not the BLOC 'separatist'?

    Duceppe is a separatist calling him one is hardly an issue, no matter how many times he voted for a Conservative initiative.

    Bullied Dion? Was Harper giving him wedgies during the sitting of the HOC? I thought these people were fully grown adults who wanted to hold the nations highest seat of power. No one gets bullied at that level. And if they do, they are pretenders, and unsuited to the position.
  337. Dan Laurin from Windsor, Canada writes: Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: This budget is a joke Permanent tax cuts will make it harder to get the books balanced, and frankly there is no real benefit to these cuts. A family earning 20k will receive $529.00. Yeah Harper that's going to save their house from foreclosure or maybe feed their kids for 2 months if they abstain from fresh meats and vegetables. The infrastructure spending is going to flop. The municipalities are just as strapped for money as everyone else. They wont be able to come up with the funds required to recieve funds so no stimulus or jobs there. You can train workers till the cows come home if there are no jobs for them then they can eat their diplomas i guess eh Harper? Where are they going to work? At the infrastructure jobs that will never have the money to qualify for funding? Worst. Budget. Ever _______________________________________________________ I agree 100% with you on that the Infrastructure spending should have been either an interest free loan to the Municipalities or just a federal grant. This money will not ever be used except by cities that have money. The tax cuts are totally useless if the Government was serious about balanced budgets they would have left the taxes and the G.S.T. alone. The G.S.T. should be at least 7% and due to the emergency should be raised to 10% for the next 3 years to pay for the infrastructure programs. The Infrastructure he is talking of with twinning the Trans Canada is silly. If you wish to twin anything twin the Blue Water Bridge at Sarnia and the Ambassador bridge in Windsor. It is a useless and Jumbled budget
  338. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: Troubled Youth from Everywhere, Canada writes: Bullied Dion? Was Harper giving him wedgies during the sitting of the HOC? I thought these people were fully grown adults who wanted to hold the nations highest seat of power. No one gets bullied at that level. And if they do, they are pretenders, and unsuited to the position.


    I agree with the above in that Dion was too idealistic during his tenure, and he was overwhelmed with the posittion of party leader. Bullying doesn't have to be physical brutality. Insulting someone anytime you see them just to see them squirm is still bullying.

    As for the first part of your statement; ther is not enough space to discuss it fully here, the gist of what I was saying is that you can't call the Liberals one thing for getting support of the BLOC and the saying it's ok because Harper did it. Either way each party wanted to either gain power or keep it by garnering support from the BLOC.
  339. Dan Laurin from Windsor, Canada writes: alberta guy from Canada writes: Sure, and unlike the Liberals who do everything they say..like acting on Kyoto. Down the truth hole hey?

    _______________________________________________________

    It was Harper who cancelled Kyoto not the liberals. Under the Martin government we would have reached our goals.

    If you agree with Kyoto as I do you Blame Harper for it not The Liberal Party.
  340. Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes:

    Dan, Come on – get serious man.

    .
  341. Phil Courterelle from Calgary, Canada writes: let's see...it's an $80 billion deficit...the budget and stimulus BS is simply a smoke screen for the fact that Hippo and Fathead have completely mishandled government finances. The Oct fiscal update was so whacked out I thought Fathead was on weed. This is a structural deficit. Why? Because only growth will get us out of it.

    That said, Iggy will vote for it. It is a forgone conclusion that he will support it. Perhaps only the requisite few Liberals will actually do the voting but it will still be Liberal support that gets us down the road, just like all the previous votes. Why? Defeating the government means either an election and then a new budget at least 5 months from now or if Ms Jean loses her mind and gives the reins to the coalition, it's still more consultation and 8-12 weeks for a new throne speech, budget and posturing. Either way, Iggy will have to explain to Canadians why the government is doing squat while unemployment rises and all hell breaks loose (not really) and then delivers a budget that is very similar to this one.

    Oh, the the Liberals cannot afford, financially, another election.
  342. Dan xxxxxx from Canada writes: Natasha Oilsov from Edmonton, Canada writes:

    Dan, Come on – get serious man.


    Natasha, please reference as to what I am supposed to get serious.
  343. Mimi Williams from Edmonton, Canada writes: Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: CON-CLUSION: For now I will be patient, bide my time, and give them enough rope, as they say... Canadians are fundamentally pragmatic, socially responsible, centrists and it is just a matter of time until they chose a government that reflects those values. Cheers! _____________________________ I guess my problem with giving them enough rope, Harold, is that the collateral damage will be devastating. Politics for me has always been about the effects public policy has on people. There are many people hurting right now, with many to follow. Some will not make it through this mess. Some are going to lose their homes. Some will lose more. I am not overstating this. How many do we sacrifice while we wait for the Conservatives to slip up? I'm not keen at all about a coalition. I don't like Ignatieff. The only reason that I can even consider myself lukewarm about it is because there are Liberal MPs I do trust to do the right thing, most of the time. (Bob Rae is on that list from a public policy perspective; politically, I wouldn't trust him if he told me it was raining outside.) I'm not predicting the government will fall today. I am only hoping that it does. The reins of power are meaningless if they aren't used to do good. I never understood those whom are involved in politics because they believe the end game is winning. The end game is supposed to be helping people. I never understood people who felt a balanced budget was the end. It is supposed to be a means to an end. The end is supposed to be helping people.
  344. peter clarke from Toronto, Canada writes: Just NOT needed. 179 million for Forestry, $2-billion to repair post-secondary institutions. $50-million for the Institute for Quantum Computing in Waterloo, Ont. $500-million agricultural flexibility program. $50-million over three years to increase slaughterhouse capacity. $200-million over two years for the Canadian Television Fund. $60-million over two years for community theatres, libraries and museums. Increased funding for the National Arts Training Contribution program. $30-million over two years for magazines and community newspapers. $24-million to support cruise ship infrastructure along the Saint Lawrence and Saguenay rivers. $75-million over two years for Parks Canada facilities, and an additional $75-million for national historic sites. What is NEEDED, a 15% reduction in government employees, with 5% coming through early retirement. A freeze for four (4) years on all government and crown corporation employees. After two years, while the freeze remain, an adjustment would be made for the cost of living only ( based on our annual inflation rate) for the reaming 2 years. All banks would have to pay interest at the rate of 4% on annual deposits and credit card interest rates to be capped for all cards at 12%. Beginning in 2009 all federal, provincial and municipal politicians and government and crown employees pensions would be capped at 40% based on the average salaries for the last five years of employment. Governments at all levels would by law have to live within their means and not spend or budget any more than could be paid for out of annual revenues collected each year. This would be a budget for the majority of people and not a hand out.

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