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Harper's words carry a softer tone

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

Gone is the brinkmanship; Ignatieff amused to hear echoes of his own statements ...Read the full article

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  1. Voiceoftheelder lee from Canada writes: wonderful. Now I'll take all bets that the money will never be seen in the areas the speech declares.
  2. Watercooler Pundit from Regina, Canada writes: Harper is a disaster. BRING ON THE COALITION.

    Anyone who states that the coalition is undemocratic. You should review a letter sent by Mr. Stephen Harper in 2004 informing the Govenor General of his willingness to form a coalition government with the Bloc.

    What's good for the goose!

    Harper is useless without his puppetmaster anyways.
  3. a l from Toronto, Canada writes: Harper only operates in partisan mode.

    Now he is trying to channel Obama. Too late, Steve - no one believes it coming from you.
  4. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: .....a speech devoid of hope and substance, talking about cooperation and trust by those steeped in division and distrust.....a sad speech by a government bankrupt of ideas.....
  5. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: So, $300,000,000 plus a pile of lies about deficits and the constitution later, here we are.

    Can we please get rid of these destructiCONS now?
  6. D Chris from Calgary, Canada writes: Oh good, the Gov't of Canada pledged to act “in a spirit of open and non-partisan cooperation”.

    That's a relief, because it really showed when they last spoke about being more non-partisan, as demonstrated by the total lack of partisan gamesmanship in this fall's economic update.
  7. Tweev D from Halifax, Canada writes: I can't support a budget that doesn't include a reestablishing the 2% GST cut - and re-directing those funds to economy stimulating programs.

    Why do cons have this legend of fiscal management? Seems like every Con government is a fantastic example of fiscal mismanagement. Exactly what the Conservatives have convinced the public the NDP would do. Clever.
  8. David Harrison from Canada writes: I'm with D Chris: a promise from this government to be 'open and non-partisan' likely means the formal banning of all other political parties by the end of the week.
  9. Norman Petit from Calgary, Canada writes: A conversion from dogmatist to born again pragmatist would be in Prime Minister Harper's best interests as well as all Canadians. As many posters have mentioned on this and other threads, it will take time and empirical observation to convince all but his most fervent supporters, myself included.
  10. Cameron Jantzen from Halifax, Canada writes: Over the months the comments I read on these boards have changed and changed. I'm not prognosticating as these comments aren't representative of our society, but more and more the knives are out for Harper here.

    I have to say, this article felt me feeling sadly cynical myself. He's cried wolf so many times, theone time his response may be statesmanlike I can't quite bring myself to have any faith.
  11. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: A government that pledges to work with the other parties for the bettermant of Canada. That is what the opposition has asked for. That is what Canadians have asked for. Now the Conservatives have delivered in speech and must follow up with actions. Based on what I have heard about the budget it appears that the Conservatives are working better with the other parties.

    Canada is very fortunate to have the Conservatives running the ship during a global economic slowdown. The tax and spend Liberals are not the sultion...maybe when times get batter but right now we need the Conservatives...which the Canadians agree with and that is why they won the last election.
  12. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Drone Speech
    Soon to be followed by:
    The Flaherty Fudget.

    Rivetting!
  13. charles ANTHONY from Canada writes: Tax cuts to the middle class. No tax for the poor! Screw you coalition. Your all trough sucking piglets. You couldn't careless for the honest taxpayer! Special interests to the back of the line for once please?
  14. B T from Lost In Cyberspace, Canada writes: Now we have to bail out the Blue Brochure industry too?!!! Sheesh.
  15. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: 'While Monday's Throne Speech does not repeat the non-economic pledges of the Nov. 19 speech, it does say the government will also “attend to the other important priorities that it set out&8221; in its earlier Throne Speech.

    Those priorities included scaling back on government spending, Senate reform and action on criminal justice and environmental policy.'

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    Here comes the kicker: get rid of the CBC; axe programs that people rely on, including the 'fat-cat artistic types'; 14 year-olds in jail for life; easing of environmental requirements 'so that badly-needed infrastructure projects will not be delayed'. I knew there would be a poison pill in this budget and here it comes. Harper's going to dare the Liberals to vote against a budget that includes the main things that they insisted upon but at the cost of social and cultural programs. I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what the negative parts of the budget are but I guarantee there will be some. The government has spent too much time and money leaking the positive stuff, they have a card or two up their sleeves for tomorrow.
  16. Is there anybody out there from Saltspring Island, Canada writes: Humpty Harper sat on a wall. Humpty Harper has a great fall.
  17. H Texmes from Gadshill, Canada writes: HUGE tax cuts and shrink government! GST gone, please.
  18. C L from T O, Canada writes: For the record... there has NEVER been a fiscally prudent right-wing party, either here or in the US (look at the record). Conservative parties exist for the good of and to serve their benefactors: Big Business. (To the exclusion of, or on the backs of, all others.)

    As mentioned many times before, we need a left-leaning or centrist government to clean up right-wing messes and steer the economic ship back to prosperity. And to do so long enough for the electorate to forget about all that's transpired, and eventually re-elect conservatives to raid the cupboard again in favour of their overlords.

    Twas always thus...
  19. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: attend to the other important priorities that it set out&8221; in its earlier Throne Speech.
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    So this is really just an addendum to October's throne Speech? How did that one turn out?
  20. The Larger View from Canada writes: Uh Shawn, Harper won because he claimed 'no deficit', and 'fiscal management'.....I see just more borken promises, and an economic crisis being used to excuse Harpers mismanagement of the federal books...

    Remember Shawn, we have a 13 billion dollar deficit BEFORE stimulus spending....Smells like mismanagement to me...

    Of course if I raised spending 25% in 3 years, at the same time shrinking revenue, I'd be in debt also...But I can manage my finances properly Flaherty and Harper apparently can't...
  21. Paul F. from ON, Canada writes: I plan to use the full amount of the proposed 'Tory permanent tax cut' and buy a pack of gum every quarter. Get ready to see the GDP flyyyyyyy.
  22. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: H Texmes: So how are you going to pay down that 64 billion deficit?
  23. Gerald McIvor from Winnipeg, Canada writes: The Chameleon Stephen Harper has again spoke with his firked tongue. He is playing games and must be removed from office. He will destroy this country and will burden our children and grandchildren will be burdened with a perpetual deficit that is totally unnecessary. He is again playing games in order to cling to power and all at the cost of the everyday canadian.....get rid of the dirty oil Prime Minister as soon as possible and have the Conservative/ Reform party install a new leader....Harper must be taken out soon....
  24. sveneggs blogspot from nanaimo, Canada writes:

    So using my trademark DogPoop Alignment Political Positioning System, I have only one truth to present. There will be a Coalition Government with the Liberals and the Conservative Parties running our country further into the ground until the population wake up and notice that more things change the more they remain the same. The spoils of this new found harmonious relationship between the two business licking parties will bring more of the same old trough sucking nepotistic insider secret style of Government!
    Bend over because this is going to hurt!
  25. Mach Machiavelli from Lethbridge, Canada writes: To all those who plan to vote PC. DO not!!!

    Firewall Harper does not give a darn about anything but his own survival. He will do anything and prostitute himself and the people around him for his own selfish goals.

    Throw him out! Bring on the Libs and/or a Coalition Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  26. Michael Popowich from victoria, Canada writes: Ahhhh, Another bed time story from the lady of the house..The PMO is very good at keeping the windows open.
  27. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: A government that pledges to work with the other parties for the bettermant of Canada. .... Based on what I have heard about the budget it appears that the Conservatives are working better with the other parties.

    Canada is very fortunate to have the Conservatives running the ship during a global economic slowdown. The tax and spend Liberals are not the sultion...maybe when times get batter but right now we need the Conservatives...which the Canadians agree with and that is why they won the last election.

    Do you actually have a real occupation that requires a stable form of federal government so you can compete and hopefully expand your business? Or do you receive a pay cheque regardless of economic factors? The thing is, some of us would really love to see a mature, responsible gov't in place. And to be honest I don't care whether it's Liberal or Conservative. But I do care that we have an environment that is at least somewhat predictable. When, in the last 12 months, has Mr. Harper provided that?
  28. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: C L from T O, Canada writes: For the record... there has NEVER been a fiscally prudent right-wing party, either here or in the US.
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    Canadian government that ran a deficit: Trudeau, Turner, Chretien first four years, Rae (NDP now Liberal), Petterson, McGuinty.
    Conservative deficits: Mulroney, Eves in the last year and Harper next year.
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    The Larger View from Canada writes: Uh Shawn, Harper won because he claimed 'no deficit', and 'fiscal management'.....
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    All the parties claimed the same thing. That's politics. Just as Chretien on honoring less than 10% of his red book promises and McGuinty honouring less than 20% of his election promises.

    Sorry my friend but all sides do it. It comees down to who is the right party to govern during tough times and the Conservatives win out each and every time.

    Canadains trust Conservatives with their money. Canadian like Liberals when they want big national social programs.
  29. Stan L from Canada writes: The fact is that we have heard and trusted 'humble Harper' a once too often on the higher ideals of non-partisanship and cooperation....only to be burned time and time again.

    At this very moment in fact, there are attack ads running on the radio trashing and skewing the understanding of the democratic options of the coalition.

    I for one, am tired of giving him the benefit of the doubt (I gave up when I erroneously believed him after the election when he said these very words only to get the economic update in return for my trust)

    ....and I really really really mean it this time isn't going to cut it, actions will have to do, becuase his words are worthless.
  30. Leon Russell from Gatineau, Qc, Canada writes: C L from T O, Canada writes: 'For the record... there has NEVER been a fiscally prudent right-wing party, either here or in the US (look at the record). Conservative parties exist for the good of and to serve their benefactors: Big Business. (To the exclusion of, or on the backs of, all others.)'

    This is so--o-o-o true.

    It bears repeating.
  31. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Last Line in the Throne Speech: As you unite in common effort and in common cause, may Divine Providence be your guide and inspiration.

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    In Other Words: God Help Us, we don't have a clue!
  32. Freedom Rider from Edmonton, Canada writes: Watercooler Pundit from Regina, Canada writes: Harper is a disaster. BRING ON THE COALITION.

    What would they do differently? What would be the benefit to the recession or Canada? How much would they spend and on what?
  33. kevin o'connor from Canada writes: Let's see the budget. If there's enough sane stimulus in it, Harper stays. Otherwise, he goes.
  34. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    'In the weeks since, the Prime Minister has reversed course and has indicated he is now prepared to run significant deficits over several years to stimulate the economy.'
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    Even if he was not spending to stimulate the economy, the Torys would be running a $15B deficit.

    The stimulus package gives Harper some handy cover for his gross economic incompetence.
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  35. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: Allen GG from BobcaygeonMazatlan

    'Co-operation is a thing of the past, who could imagine, say 25 years ago that Canada would have 'the enemy', who wishes to destroy Canada and it's Confederation, sitting in Parliament?'

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    I think you meant to say the CPC, not the Bloc. This government has done more than any other I've seen in this country to try to destroy our institutions and our democracy than the Bloc has ever attempted.
  36. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes:
    Hey you neocon wingnuts .... GET BACK TO WORK .... ROFL

    .... 30 seconds until Harpo's nose grows another 3 inches
  37. Gabriel Allon from Canada writes:
    Steve is always 'shovel ready' are those steel toed flip flops he's wearing....
  38. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: A government that pledges to work with the other parties for the bettermant of Canada. That is what the opposition has asked for. That is what Canadians have asked for.

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    That's what Harper said in October and then came along with the long knives in the November 'fiscal update'. If the guy says one thing, you can be pretty sure he's going to do something else. Steve and the truth are poor bedfellows.
  39. old gristle from Canada writes: This throne speech lacks a broad vision. It is economy focused. It is as though the Government will do nothing but work on the economy.
    Here is how the MP should vote based on their party platforms. The Conservatives should vote against the budget. The NDP and the BLOC should vote for it. The Liberals should make a free vote and split.
  40. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    I haven't read any comments YET, but here is what I heard.

    The Speech from the throne was weak at best!

    Usually the government will use this speech to plot out its strategy--unless we are to assume the November speech's listed items still hold true. Of course the economy is important and on everyone's mind, yet there are other issues. Confusing.

    Next, I just watched the CTV interview with Ignatieff and I must admit, a breath of fresh air. He will not be bullied by the media to spout off an immediate 'yes or no' concerning tomorrow's 250 page budget right after it is read.

    He will read it, digest it, meet with his caucus....then decide on Wednesday. Good for you IGGY!

    His language was politically refreshing and honest. While not saying whether a coalition would go forward, he did mention something new.

    When asked about the BQ, he mentioned the concerns of English Canada and that 'IT-the BQ association' would be a part of his decision making process whether to move forward.

    I really liked what I saw and heard from Iggy. Calmness, smarts, common sense, no cliches........are you listening Layton?
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  41. Stan L from Canada writes: Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: Allen GG from BobcaygeonMazatlan
    'Co-operation is a thing of the past, who could imagine, say 25 years ago that Canada would have 'the enemy', who wishes to destroy Canada and it's Confederation, sitting in Parliament?'
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    I think you meant to say the CPC, not the Bloc. This government has done more than any other I've seen in this country to try to destroy our institutions and our democracy than the Bloc has ever attempted.
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    Further to your post Chris....I don't think I have seen the country more polarized or completely disengaged than they are now. Harper has ensured that region fights region, party fights party and the poltically diinterested simply tune out for all the negative noise......Far more destructive than anything talk of separation has brought.
  42. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Shawn Bull from Canada writes:

    ' The tax and spend Liberals are not the sultion.'
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    Neither are the borrow and spend Conservatives.

    Gee, didn't Harper promise to 'never run a deficit'?

    What can we believe from this guy?
    Is he just incompetent or is he a liar?
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  43. Gerald McIvor from Winnipeg, Canada writes: THE COALITION IS LEGAL, ETHICAL AND A FORMAL PARLIAMENTARY PROCESS!!!! WHAT IS ILLEGAL IS THE HARPER REGIME SPINNING THIER PARTISAN MIS-INFORMATION TO ENTICE THE VOTERS TO SUPPORT THEM...WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT NOW AND OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS DESERVE NO LESS IN ORDER FOR OUR KIDS AND GRANDCHILDREN TO HAVE A STABLE AND THRIVING FUTURE!!!! GO AWAY HARPER...YOUR FIREWALL WANNABE AMERICAN STATE IS WAITING FOR YOU IN CRAWFORD TEXAS WITH YOUR HERO GEORGE W. BUSH Jr......MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR PASSPORT STEVIE...YOU WILL NEED IT TO GET INTO THE US...ANOTHER CONCESSION YOU MADE TO BUSH....YA SELLOUT AND UNMITIGATED DISASTER!!!!
  44. Gabriel Allon from Canada writes:
    Just how many 'read my lips' moments has Steve had now?
  45. Mach Machiavelli from Lethbridge, Canada writes: People who follow Harper from this point forward are fools.

    Stephen Firewall Harper has made oodles of promises before, what makes the PC voters who follow him, think that he has REFORMED.

    He hasn't Reformed. His Reform Party was a party of wingnuts and bigots...and he isn't really from Alberta. Read his history.

    Reform yourself PC voters, send him emails telling him what kind of leader and PM he really is/was.
  46. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: Gerald McIvor from Winnipeg, Canada writes: THE COALITION IS LEGAL, ETHICAL AND A FORMAL PARLIAMENTARY PROCESS!!!!
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    Yes it is. It's just an idiot thing to do. A government with the NDP holding 7 cabinet seats including the high spending public works file is a disaster in the waiting. A government that includes the support of a seperatist party is tresonous. A new government that would takees months to ground is wrong when we need help today. A Liberal party that can not even raise funds for themselves would be nuts to put in charge of the finances.

    Plus the coalition wouldn't laast two months before it imploded. The Canadians slected the Conservatives in the last election and they selected properly.
  47. Gabriel Allon from Canada writes: Plagiarism again....you're really a one trick pony Steve.
  48. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: kevin o'connor from Canada writes: Let's see the budget. If there's enough sane stimulus in it, Harper stays. Otherwise, he goes.

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    You're right that we're all in the dark to some extent until the budget has been tabled and people have had a chance to read the whole thing.

    I'm more concerned now about why Harper has been spinning all this stimulus stuff so hard, the budget could have spoken for itself. The only reason I can see for him doing so is that there are other things in the budget that the opposition parties and Canadians in general may not like nearly so much. The throne speech reference to reducing government spending is one red flag. I doubt that it will be achieved by bringing home most of the Afghanistan force. There will be unpleasant budget cuts and firesales of taxpayer assets. Maybe he'll even come back with the cuts to party subsidies from the public purse - after all, he will say, the opposition's real objection to the November update was the lack of stimulus spending, wasn't it? ('Ho, ho, ho, I'm so clever', he thinks.)
  49. Counterspinner tells the truth from Canada writes: Gerald McIvor from Winnipeg, Canada writes: THE COALITION IS LEGAL, ETHICAL AND A FORMAL PARLIAMENTARY PROCESS!!!!

    Is it legal and formal? The debate isn't over yet about that. But it is not ethical. How can a Separatist Coalition run by the separatist leader have the moral authority to govern a country it wants to split apart? Give your head a shake.......
  50. John Smith from Canada writes: Forget the Throne Speech, I am more interested in how the porfolio of stocks Steve Harper purchased in October is doing (and advised all Canadians to do same).

    After all, how many other countries can lay claim that their government leader moonlights as a financial advisor?
  51. Jake The Snake from Canada writes: ‘spirit of open and non-partisan cooperation'

    Where have I heard something like that before, oh yeah, the last throne speech.

    So what was this?

    The Throne Speech Reloaded.

    Sorry but it will take a lot more than the GG reading a prepared speech for me to believe Stevie has had a conversion on the road to Damascus. It's like the old Bee Gees song, 'It's only words'. OK, sorry for the Bee Gees reference, that wasn't nice. Unless of course you are a Harpie and you hear that song in your head for the rest of the day, still not nice, but dam funny in that respect!

    And if you think that's bad wait until I start planting Steve Perry songs in your head, don't think I won't, I am capable of pure evil when inclined to do so. All's fair.
  52. Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: Thank you Mr. Harper -- your Thrown Speech says that your government requires my Provincial government to supply a third of the budget and my Municipal government to supply another third. I can tell you now that my Municipal government CANNOT supply that and my Provincial government would be very hard pressed to do so. Does that mean that tomorrow we are, in your words, screwed?

    I hope not. I want better emergency leadership than that.
  53. John Smith from Ottawa, Canada writes: Thank you, Prime Minister Bennett.
  54. No Coalition from Canada writes: Mach Machiavelli from Lethbridge, Canada writes: People who follow Harper from this point forward are fools.

    You should come out east...there are at least 10million people just like you here.
  55. Gabriel Allon from Canada writes:
    Hope you enjoyed your vacation Steve,BTW how's Moms portfolio?
  56. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Shawn Bull from Canada writes:

    'A government that includes the support of a seperatist party is tresonous.'
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    The Harper government has enjoyed the support of the Bloc on multiple occasions.

    Why would you support a government that you define as treasonous?

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  57. No Coalition from Canada writes: Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: Thank you Mr. Harper -- your Thrown Speech says that your government requires my Provincial government to supply a third of the budget and my Municipal government to supply another third. I can tell you now that my Municipal government CANNOT supply that and my Provincial government would be very hard pressed to do so. Does that mean that tomorrow we are, in your words, screwed?

    First of all Peter... it's Throne... Secondly...awww forget it...you're lost.
  58. Chris Hay from Regina, SK, Canada writes: A spirit of open and non-partisan cooperation? Sadly, Mr Harper's well deserved and hard earned reputation for petty vindictiveness doesn't make this 'spirit' bode well. I predict this 'spirit' will last only insofar as the goal is to keep Mr Harper in power (ditto on the budget contents), rather than what is best for Country. Even sadder still, is that same prediction would also be valid if applied to any of the Leaders of the Opposition. Election by Labour Day, anyone?
  59. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes

    I agree that Ignatieff is doing the right things. It is logical to read the budget before deciding how to react to it. Layton's position, by contrast, is silly. I'm glad to hear that Iggy has refused to be distracted by all these announcements coming from the government over the last few days. I, for one, am convinced that there are things in this budget that are going to make some jaws drop. What they are are speculation on my part but the reduction of government spending referred to in the budget is a warning sign. Surprising that he'd be talking about Senate reform just after he appointed another 18 senators! I betcha there will be things in this budget that put Ignatieff in a tough spot where he has to consider voting against despite all the goodies so cleverly pre-announced by Harper to get the public on his side.
  60. John K from Vancouver, Canada writes: There are two things this country needs like a hole in the head. One is an election and the other is a coalition. Anyone hoping for either is the true wingnut.
  61. Frank Madigan from Capreol, Canada writes: I do not want an election nor does most of Canada. Ignatieff is looking and sounding like a future PM. Layton is looking and sounding like Layton

    Wait your time Mike and the people will choose you over Jack and Steven. Force and election and you will likely will force a leadership debate.
  62. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    No Coalition from Canada writes:

    'Reading these pages illuminates how many ignorant shmucks there are in Canada. Cry, whine, complain, sour grapes, gurgle...

    Time for a diaper change and a cianide capsule for the unhappy masses. '
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    I agree, No Co, these Tory hacks never stop whining.
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  63. Al Bore from Canada writes:

    Mock Liberal Hysteria.

    They will back the Budget.

    The Coalition is dead.

    The NDP, BLOC and Canadian have been bamboozled by the Liberals.....again.
  64. Johnny Test from Pork Belly, Canada writes: I think Canadians will be EXTREMELY pissed off if the budget is half decent and was still voted down. We can't afford to WAIT for the coalition to get it's act together and wait another couple of months!
  65. No Coalition from Canada writes: What is most revealing, is the state of politics in the internet age. The Globe and Mail chat board is little more than a tomato throwing festival without the fun of throwing the tomatoes...

    There is little, if any, intelligent debate ... because he who types in all caps, or concocts the most hair brained, outlandish arguments wins by 'default', because those of us who actually go out and vote can't stomach the endless string of misdirection, half truths and shrill arguments that lackl any basis in reality.
  66. Kevin Allan from Vancouver, Canada writes: It is time for Prime Minister Ignatieff.
  67. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Shawn Bull from Canada writes: 'A government that includes the support of a seperatist party is tresonous.'
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    The Harper government has enjoyed the support of the Bloc on multiple occasions. Why would you support a government that you define as treasonous?
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    Splitting hairs are we? I think there is a difference between a party that votes on a bill to let it pass compared to a party that has the power to alone veto any bill passed by the coaltion and thus giving the Bloc the ability to bring down the government on its own.
  68. Stan L from Canada writes: Judging from the quality of the posts, I would sy the CPC fan club seems to be worried.....let me guess, the latest marching orders direct one and all to talk about anything BUT this week excuse for a throne speech....LOL
  69. Island Man from Victoria from Canada writes: Isn't this what Harper said in the fall...reach out an cooperate. That was right before he attacked the opposition with his economic update. When Harper says he will reach out the opposition should beware. Harper's hands are likely to tighten around their necks. Harper cannot and should not be trusted.
  70. I'm Michael Ignatieff and You're Not from Canada writes: I agree with Jean Chretien--cut the GST to 0%. A sound Liberal party strategy. Help the poor!
  71. Gerald McIvor from Winnipeg, Canada writes: STEPHEN HARPER SPEAKS WITH A FORKED TONGUE....AGAIN.... BRING DOWN THIS PATHETIC GOVERNMENT NOW AND GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK WHERE WE WILL HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL ACT IN THE INTEREST OF ALL CANADIANS AND NOT CONCENTRATING ON KEEPING ONE EGOTISTICAL SPLIT PERSONALITY WITH A VERY OBVIOUS LUST FOR POWER AND CONTROL IN OFFICE. WE NEED TO DO THIS FOR OUR CHILDRENS SAKE NOW!!!!
  72. No Coalition from Canada writes: Mr. Ignatieff has a snow ball's chance in hell of becoming Prime Minister without a significant amount of backlash until he at least faces an election for Leadership of the liberals...he lacks legitimacy as anything other than interim leader.
  73. Bob Lawblaws from Canada writes: Yet today the Conservatives are still running radio ads against the coalition. Non-partisan. Right.
  74. Ed Long from Canada writes: Yawn ..... the games will continue, the longest dysfunctional parliament in Canadian history will go on because reality is nobody wants to be held responsible for anything during tough times.

    And as President Obama begins to hit the panic button in response to push back for his stimulus package, we will all settle in for a long interlude while the politicians realize there is no quick fix for anything and almost every stimulus proposal is simply an expensive placebo for an electorate demanding immediate gratification, excuse me ..... change.
  75. Johnny Test from Pork Belly, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: Judging from the quality of the posts, I would sy the CPC fan club seems to be worried.....let me guess, the latest marching orders direct one and all to talk about anything BUT this week excuse for a throne speech....LOL

    I doubt the CPC cares. If they lose, then the coalition gets the blame and the responsibility associated with the deepening crisis. All the CPC has to do is wait for the coalition to fall apart then campaign on how incompetent they were. Personally I would be glad to be in the opposition benches and watch the people sweat across the aisle.
  76. Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: Let's wait until the budget is revealed tomorrow before screaming for anybody's head. I don't trust Harper & Co. either but I'll reserve my judgement until I've actually had time to understand what his budget is proposing. The rest of you who aren't brainwashed ideologues would be wise to do the same.
    The throne speech has always been a bit of fluff and this one doesn't tell us anything except that the Conservatives want to portray themselves as cooperative. I don't have high hopes but I'm willing to give them a chance and see what they put on the table.
  77. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: YES PLEASE BRING ON AN ELECTION SO WE CAN FINALLY HAVE A CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY AND WIPE OUT NUISANCES LIKE THE NDP AND GREENS AND LET IGGY FACE AN ELECTION TO SEE HOW THE PEOPLE VOTE. THAT WILL ALSO DEPEND IF HE IS SUPPORTIVE OF A COALITION.. IF HE IS...THEN BYE BYE IGGY. HE'LL BE IN THE EI LINE WITH LAYTON.
  78. Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: seperatist (separatist) party is tresonous (treasonous) -- (sic and sic):

    That's funny I don't remember anywhere in law or in the BNA Act or in our Constitution where parties are declared unlawful or treasonous for advocating separation whether they are from Quebec or the West. It's also strange that some Quebec Sovereignists are not Separatists but are Sovereignty Associationists.

    But -- oh darn why do I continue, in the words of Mahitabel, 'wotthehell archie wotthehell' you don't even know what your talking about why you can't even spell.
  79. bob london from Canada writes: Scarecrow Iggy has no brain.
  80. Stan L from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: You're all still whining about a stupid $1.95 per vote that goes to destructive Parties in Canada.

    Nobody's whining about that, you are making idiotic and ridiulous assumptions and everyone has long since moved on that one specific poison pill of November......Be cautious about taking your talking points from a party that has to TELL you it has grown-ups for MPs.
  81. R. M. from Regina, Canada writes: We the opposition DEMAND the government take a different approach and tone.

    Ok, government says, we took a different approach and tone.

    Opposition....you guys are unbelievable...before you were nasty and now you are not nasty....We don't like you........why can't you just be consistently nasty or consistently nice like us!!!
  82. The Archer from Canada writes: Shawn Bull....although not a supporter of the coalition idea, I don't think you can qualify the Bloc's support as entailing veto power...the agreement was to support the coalition for a full year. It would be in bad faith to bring down the coalition before that term was up..(not that I wouldn't put it past some politicians to do so). I am sure you are aware that Harper was willing to ally himself with the Bloc during Martin's regime....but I guess they were not separatists back then.
  83. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: That was a funny post....and no spelling is not my strong suit. I'm more of a numbers guy.
  84. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: You're all still whining about a stupid $1.95 per vote that goes to destructive Parties in Canada.

    No Peter, I am not. I am complaining about a man who recently won a minority government during a turbulent economic period that chose to try and manipulate the system for personal political gain, rather than work within the system to provide true leadership, for about 12 months. Just 12 short months. That was it. One year of actually leading. Small man. Narrow vision. Surely the Conservatives can find a leader who offers more.
  85. C. E. from Calgary, Canada writes: Leon Russell from Gatineau, Qc, Canada writes: C L from T O, Canada writes: 'For the record... there has NEVER been a fiscally prudent right-wing party, either here or in the US (look at the record). Conservative parties exist for the good of and to serve their benefactors: Big Business. (To the exclusion of, or on the backs of, all others.)'

    This is so--o-o-o true.

    It bears repeating.

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    Traditionally it's the Liberal's who have relied on business to fund their party.
  86. Gerald McIvor from Winnipeg, Canada writes: WHY IS NOBODY HARPING ABOUT HARPER BEING PART OF THE ALBERTA SEPARATIST MOVEMENT???? HARPER EVEN APPOINTED A SEPARATIST TO THE VERY SENATE HE COMMITTED TO REFORM!!!! HE IS REFORMING CANADA ALRIGHT....THE REFORM PARTY IDEOLOGY IS SHINING AS BRIGHT AS EVER FROM STEVIES HALO!!!!! HE IS A VERY SAD MAN WHO SHOULD BE PUT IN A ROUND RUBBER ROOM....MAYBE HE SHOULD SAVE MONEY AND GET GEORGE W. BUSH AS A ROOMMATE....BRIDS OF A FAETHER STICK TOGETHER...HARPER IS A WESTERN SEPARATIST.......AD INFINATUM....
  87. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: Nevermind whacking each other with expected positions depending whether you're Left or Right - or left right up the wall - did you have a good look at the photo accompanying the article.? There's our exalted Leader with his muted face, sitting upright (there's an appropriate reference to his persuasion) and hands placed on his knees -a picture of a bad boy student awaiting a caning at school if ever I saw one. Absolutely hilarious. Made my hands tingle...
  88. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: This whole coalition has always been about the 1.95 per vote.
  89. I'm Michael Ignatieff and You're Not from Canada writes: Throne speeches are completely useless traditions. Stop the nonsense!! A waste of txpayers money.
  90. A B from Canada writes: Why is it that someone caanot dress our Fuhrer 'tubby steve', in a suit that fits him?

    As an aside..... why would anyone trust ANYTHING that Our Fuhrer has to say??
  91. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: The Archer from Canada writes: Shawn Bull: I am sure you are aware that Harper was willing to ally himself with the Bloc during Martin's regime.
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    Of course..and don't think for a second that I don't view all politicians as being less than honest. I view both the Liberals and Conservatives as being pretty much the same these days except for one very important distinction: I completely disagree with the Liberals creating large, expensive and ineffcient national programs. I feel national governments should be small and focus on federal duties only and leave it to the provinces to create regional programs that best fit into their area of Canada.

    I fear a Liberal government would increase the tax burden and create programs that benefit the urban areas only and often don't work.
  92. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: 'Judging from the quality of the posts, I would sy the CPC fan club seems to be worried.....let me guess, the latest marching orders direct one and all to talk about anything BUT this week excuse for a throne speech....LOL'

    One could draw a similar conclusion about the Liberals and its coalition partners from a quick review of the quality of the posts of its supporters.
  93. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    J. Kenneth Yurchuk writes:
    Sounds like you are developing a Chub-0n for Iggy Rob! To me he was merely playing his cards close to his vest, which is fair enough.
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    JKY: I always liked IGGY since 2006 (no secret there..) until the nutty Liberal Party delegates gave the leadership to Chretien's chosen boy. The LPC lost two solid years and Canada is NOT stronger for it! Perhaps it was the best thing for IGGY's career....

    The panicky Liberal posters here wanting a coalition is an idiotic short term fix, without analyzing the longer term effects for Canada as a whole.

    JKY-I know you are an NDP guy, but Layton is old, tired, and cliche driven. As for Duceppe, he would somehow twist this relationship that would allow a stronger sense of Quebec separation-His goal clearly stated in English on the BQ web site!

    Iggy will wait for his time which I believe will be after the summer break when it is possible Canada will be in the worst of the recession. I still believe only then, and perhaps as late as one more year, he and the LPC will run alone on their renewed policy. They will also have had time to fill up the coffers over the summer.
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  94. Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: 'A government that includes the support of a seperatist party is tresonous.'

    Here's the definition of 'treason' from the Canadian Criminal Code, 47:

    'Every one commits treason who, in Canada, (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province; (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada; (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a); (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.'

    You'll note that the Bloc Quebecois does not meet the definition.
  95. Kevin Allan from Vancouver, Canada writes: It is time for a Government of Canada that actually respects its citizens instead of a PM who never learns anything new and continues to LIE to Canadians.
    It seems to me, a week or so before Mr Harper's partisan poison pill last November, he said hi was going to work with the Opposition.
    You cannot believe Mr Harper.
    And even today, right on TV, he LIED again about coalitions claiming you could only change the Government by an election in Canada EVEN though he tried to grab power from PM Paul Martin with a signed letter to the GG, signed by the NDP and the BLOC.
    He LIES to us. Once a LIAR, always a LIAR.
    How many people get the number of chances Mr Harper has been given ? This is a guy that cannot even admit he did anything wrong last November/December.
  96. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: ... Canada is very fortunate to have the Conservatives running the ship during a global economic slowdown. ...

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    What a bunch of crap. They denied and lied about the slowdown. They flipped and they flopped about the slowdown. They tried to use the slowdown as political cover to turn Canada into a one-party state.
  97. R R from Canada writes: I sure hope that we see in this budget how this government is going to limit the time we're in deficit mode and what steps they plan on implementing to ensure it's not permanent. In ther words, let's hear about a recovery plan along with the spending one.
  98. Jim Z from Canada writes: The Conservatives and the opposition parties better come to their senses and get an economic stimulus package passed asap. Everyday the jobs losses are mounting World Wide and governments need to jump start the economy. Before we are past the point of no return and enter the next great depression. Canada will not be able to escape it because of our reliance on the sale of commodities. Change is necessary and if it does not occur it will effect every Canadian. The younger generation needs to research some history on the last depression when unemployment reached 25 PER CENT.
    Learn about the bread lines and soup kitchens. If this economic crisis is not handled properly you are going to see this again. So Obama is right CHANGE IS NECESSARY. OUR FEDERAL AND PROVINCIAL PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM NEEDS A MAJOR OVERHAUL.
    THIS IS THE MESSAGE OUR POLITICIANS NEED TO HEAR.
    WHICH INCLUDES GETTING RID OF THE SENATE.
  99. Stan L from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: This whole coalition has always been about the 1.95 per vote.

    Get off it already....and grow up....this election financing was wrong-minded but there was plenty to reject that update on and it was rejected soundly on many items Like....the removal of women's right's to appeal pay equity issues? the removal of the public sector's right to strike? the very numbers that Flaherty used to incorrectly mislead Canadians about the nature of any existing defificts? the failure of the Harper government to fully disclose military spending in Afghanistan? the ridiulous measures to sell off government assets that do little to nothing to our fotunes? to name but a few.
  100. Alberta Dennis Notso,redneck from Canada writes: All you folks that think a coalition will work, think again. Iggy more or less called Layton irresponsible. What he really said was it would be very irresponsible to not examine the budget before rejecting it. So folks do you really think Iggy would give a caucus position to a person he has declared irresponsible.
  101. Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: If the Globe and Mail disables its comment system, productivity in this country might jump a few fractions of a percentage point.
  102. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Freedom Rider from Edmonton, Canada writes: Watercooler Pundit from Regina, Canada writes: Harper is a disaster. BRING ON THE COALITION.

    What would they do differently?

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    Govern.

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  103. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: 'A government that includes the support of a seperatist party is tresonous.'
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    The word treason has created some conflict here. A better description would be: I don;t think a party that is regional based and is only concerned about that region should be in a position to veto any national bills. They can veto it because if they vote against it then the coalition falls.

    Today if the Bloc votes against the Conservatives the Conservatives can still stand with the support of wither the NDP or Liberals.
  104. Phineas freekinstone from who knows ,who cares, Canada writes: this figures.....the real speech is in a different story but the wanna be intellects prefer the globes take on it.......which goes to show most Canadians need to be lead by their hands ,or is that by their leashes?
  105. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I see Stan L still has his head up there.
  106. Phineas freekinstone from who knows ,who cares, Canada writes: for anyone that prefers intellegent conversation check out the throne speech in it,s entirety......its under that title :)
  107. Mr X from Canada writes: Kevin Allan from Vancouver, Canada writes: It is time for Prime Minister Ignatieff.

    Yeah, having someone who lived outside Canada for close to 30 years is a great idea.
  108. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: .

    AAAANYWAY, now that Parliament is back, I'm looking forward to seeing watching the Committee investigations get ramped up again.

    How is progress coming on dealing with the fraudulent in-and-out transactions the CPC used to circumvent election spending limits?

    What new and disgraceful revelations will be revealed about the attempted purchase of Cadmans vote in the House?

    What's happening with getting back our $2million from Muldoon?

    And listeria -- isn't there an inquiry looking into the Con policies that killed 20 Canadians?

    Yes indeed ... this should be a lively session, if the plug isn't pulled.
  109. joe ker from not in usa, Canada writes: Eliminate the Gov. General's position. Save lots of moolah there!!
  110. Sally Struthers from Canada writes: Now we have two Liberal parties, I guess? Steve. You'll be way down there with old Stockwell (remember him?) by the end of all of this. OUT OF THE RUNNING. Nice try.
  111. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I pray, Lord, I pray for an election if nothing just to shut these simple minded Libers and coax up.
  112. J M from Calgaristan, Canada writes:
    As the US goes boldly forward, Harper TRIES to take Canada a big step backwards. Let's see what the coalition puts in their budget on Feb 10 before we can declare this nightmare over.
  113. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: RC, Yes I'm an NDP guy, and yes Jack has probably seen his next to last election. I look forward to a renewal in a couple of years.

    I Don't share your enthusiasm for Ignatieff however. I've read a lot of his stuff written for the NYT magazine, and some of the material written while he was in Britain. He's a chameleon, adapting to whatever the colours flavours or attitudes of those in power in his particular melieu, and I've never seen him define himself on his own terms. He has yet to do that here in Canada.

    Until that happens I will remain suspicious and skeptical.
  114. Stan L from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I see Stan L still has his head up there.

    Good one Peter.....is that all you have to offer...some tired $1.95 mantra? Get a grip, you assume that we are all sheep and can be driven by the trite and facile like this.....the Economic Update was Harper's opportunity to behave like a grown-up, it turned out to be flawed on so many levels, so it was of little wonder that his update went down like a lead balloon......he says he NOW has grown-ups working on the budget, so we will wait, since he has offered such an interesting explanation for his failure in November.
  115. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Harper is the PM we have had in Canada for many years.

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    Three years. Three years too many.
  116. Sally Struthers from Canada writes: Oh, and Pete Sake: time for your medication, the kind that helps you make sense, in english. Dear me.
  117. Watercooler Pundit from Regina, Canada writes: maurizio arani from Canada - HA! Liberal Hacks...you just can't stand the fact that your god has been emasculated as George W. is busy installing security gates on his ranch....too bad the security gates won't keep history from writing him as an idiot. (And if you look closely the lapdog is none other than our very own Harpocrite!)
  118. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: .....I, for one, am convinced that there are things in this budget that are going to make some jaws drop.
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    Chris-I guess we have a little more than 24 hours to go!

    With all these 'feel good' announcements, what we are NOT told is will there be poison pills-and if so, how many-and will they be enough to get to Iggy's gut?

    Politics is a dirty and strange game for these folk. Just a little reminder here of what 'could' happen.

    ' In May 1974, the House of Commons passed a motion of no confidence in the Trudeau government, defeating its budget bill. Trudeau wrote in his memoirs that he had in fact engineered his own downfall, since he was confident he would win the resulting election. The election of 1974 saw Trudeau and the Liberals re-elected with a majority government with 141 of the 264 seats.'

    I am NOT saying this will happen, but what if.....? Nothing seems to make a whole lot of sense anymore. We have supposed 'conservative' Conservatives spending like socialists, and on the other hand, Parties forming official coalitions with separatists........
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  119. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I find it funny that red suspenders is worried about 2 mil that was given to Mulruney, of which we still aren't sure was justified or not, but seems to have little concern about 100 mil given away to friends by the Libs which we KNOW was NOT Justified..
  120. Doug Campbell from Burlington, Canada writes: As an undergraduate I avoided 'Economics and Legerdemaine 101.'I now regret denying myself the edifying input from those specific lectures that dealt with the wonders and mysteries,magic and sophistry of the 'Amazing Jimbo' and 'Fire Wall Steve.'
  121. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Watercooler Pundit from Regina, Canada writes
    'And if you look closely the lapdog is none other than our very own Harpocrite!'

    What do you think of Ignatieff then? Was he the Comical Ali of the Bush regime?
  122. Rollo 8>) from Belgium writes:

    Is the GG anorexic??? Just wondering...
  123. Joe Dick from Kingston, Canada writes: Good job PM Harper.

    Your statesmanship will set an example to the bitter partisanship of the left.
  124. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Wasn't Sally Struthers the blond dits in All In The Family. Yeah...she didn't make any sense there either.
  125. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ....give your head a shake Canada!!!.......just look at what their brethren US Republican conservatives did to the once mighty US economy....the myth that Neocons are good with the people's money is just that !...a myth.....
  126. John Hinkley from Canada writes: Interesting partisan responses to a national crisis by the Lieberal, the NDP and the BLOC. Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe said that his party will not support the government's latest plan becasue of the issues related to a common securities regulator and reductions to equalization payments. How partisan can you get - his opposition shows why the BLOC is purely a provincial party and cannot or should not be considered a national party. He is only interested in Quebec having the finances to control their destiny. SAD ISN'T IT, WITHOUT THE MONEY FROM THE REST OF CANADA, QUEBEC WOULD BE A VERY POOR COUSIN AT BEST. bUT THESE IDIOTS WANT US TO FUND THEIR SEPARATION! The NDP and Jack Layton are even weirder - who knows what goes on in Jack's mind apart from his irrational lust for power. Olivia needs to sit him down, hold his hand and make him realize that the NDP will never be given a majority at the Federal level. The Lieberals and Iggy are giving a very good impression of sitting on the fence making a calm deliberate decision. We all know they're going to support the budget - their demand were so broad there's no way the budget won't accommodate them in some way. Even if the budget is voted down, I'm sure most Canadians would rather bite the bullet and have another election than support the coalition of Lieberals, NDP & BLOC - especially with the BLOC blackmailing the Lieberals and the NDP for their support. Besides - we haven't seen the coalitions plans as yet and we all know how honest the Lieberals and the NDP are at keeping their promises. Sure and if you believe that I have some land for sale in Florida dirt cheap. Better yet, I have a friend in Nigeria who needs some help getting money out of the country.
  127. Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: 'The word treason has created some conflict here. A better description would be: I don;t think a party that is regional based and is only concerned about that region should be in a position to veto any national bills. They can veto it because if they vote against it then the coalition falls. Today if the Bloc votes against the Conservatives the Conservatives can still stand with the support of wither the NDP or Liberals. ' Not sure I understand the distinction. Sure, if the Bloc doesn't support a Coalition bill, the Coalition falls, but the same could be said of the Liberals. The only difference is that the Bloc is a self-defined regional party while the Liberals wish to be otherwise. There is nothing at all illegitimate about a regional party, certainly nothing undemocratic. People seem to forget that our democratic system is one in which regional representatives are elected individually. Obviously it is that the Bloc are separatists that bothers you - well it bothers me too but it is entirely within the democratic rights of Canadians to elect representatives who plan on renegotiating the structure of the state. And it is entirely pragmatic for a party like the Liberals to form a cooperative alliance with such a party if there is something in it for them (and Canadians). I'm not a big supporter of this particular coalition (I'd personally prefer another election was called), but we Canadians should get used to coalitions - there is nothing illegitimate about them in the slightest and they will become more and more commonplace, like they have in almost every other mature democratic society (other than the two-party state to our south).
  128. John Francis from Canada writes: Shawn Bull writes:
    Canada is very fortunate to have the Conservatives running the ship during a global economic slowdown. The tax and spend Liberals are not the sultion
    ENDQUOTE
    Who are you kidding. This is a budget that Trudeau would be proud of!! It is to the left of Jack Layton!!! Who do you think is going to pick up the 36 billion tab? Your grandmother? This is grossly inflationary - all of your costs are going to go up because of your weasel Stevie.
  129. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Yeah Zando and the Libs took money away from the people for health care and other social programs to balance the budgets just to save money so they could give it to their friends in browm paper bags.
  130. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair.......your list omitted the suit against Dion....is that still on?....
  131. Rollo 8>) from Belgium writes:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Wasn't Sally Struthers the blond dits in All In The Family. Yeah...she didn't make any sense there either.

    For the definitive Sally Struthers, see Five Easy Pieces starring Jack Nicholson. Vrrrrrrroooooooooooooooooom. At least Sally was upfront.
  132. Stan L from Canada writes: Free The West Free The West from A Vote For The Liberals Is a Vote For The Bloc., Canada writes: The greatest issue in Canadian politics today is the active role taken by the Toronto-based media in trying to usurp power for the Toronto-based Liberals. This has led to a non-stop campaign of contrived headlines and even outright lies from the sector of society that has been traditionally been given the trust of the public to present unbiased information. The G&M is by far the worst offender.

    RIIGHT, that old petard again.....pst the National Post called Steve Janke wants to get your opinion for another bit of 'journalism'
  133. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: all or costs are going up because of the NDP< BLOC< AND LIBERAL< coalition,
  134. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    J. Kenneth Yurchuk writes: RC, Yes I'm an NDP guy, and yes Jack has probably seen his next to last election. I look forward to a renewal in a couple of years.

    I Don't share your enthusiasm for Ignatieff however. I've read a lot of his stuff.... He's a chameleon.... and I've never seen him define himself on his own terms. He has yet to do that here in Canada.

    Until that happens I will remain suspicious and skeptical.
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    We'll obviously see what he is all about in the next year. I have read most of what he has written (not the family stuff..)and believe he has been unfairly judged. His writings were more philosophically based, and not political at the time of writing. One would have trouble disagreeing with him based on the info of the time and the reasons of his positions.

    JKY: You write about NDP renewal. What do you hope for? The NDP is far from mainstream with about 15-18% approval. Will they end being 'Canada's conscience?' Will they adapt more mainstram positions? Do you see them folding into the LPC with the far left fringe being left out?
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  135. Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: No Coalition from Canada writes: There is little, if any, intelligent debate ...

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    You are right I just counted seven of your postings to this one article and, having read them all, I conclude you are not interested in debate just hurling insults. Good luck you will go far in far right politics.
  136. Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: That was a funny post....and no spelling is not my strong suit. I'm more of a numbers guy.

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    That was a nice response. To tell you the truth I have to go over my writings too. Thanks Shawn.
  137. Scott Wicks from Canada writes:
    Does it really matter what will be in the budget?

    We all know it's going to packed with lies, deception and gimmicks.

    Canadians deserve better.

    If the Liberals and NDP allow the Reform Party survive the confidence vote for the budget then it will be just more of the same; flouting the rules, abuse of process, dirty tricks... AND absolutely nothing productive will get done.

    Do we want another Reform Party government? Canadians have seen have how the right-wing blockheads have squandered their chance at governing.

    This fiasco is exclusively Harper's fault: this is a total failure of leadership.

    Let's get rid of the Reform Party on Wednesday and get back to the business of running the country at 9:00 am on Thursday morning.
  138. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Well, well, well, it seems Canada has manufactured a new hybrid, not a vehicle, but a political party. Poor Mr. Harper in his desperate and spineless attempt to satisfy the opposition has shifted the Conservative party to be defined as 'a left of center party with an ideology somewhere between that of the Liberals and the NDP'.

    It is amazing how blatantly Mr. Harper is willing to disrespect the principles of his supporters to save his own political skin. Conservatism, in its federal political party form, is now dead in Canada. I cannot wait to hear them argue like hypocrites in the next election the principles they have now abandoned. It will be priceless to see and hear.
  139. Rollo 8>) from Belgium writes:

    Seriously, did anyone notice the GG's legs in that picture? That can't be normal.
  140. Paul Byer from Canada writes: I note that the only ones confused about what Iggy is going to do are his supporters.

    The rest of us have known since Dion was turfed what Iggy was going to do, support Harper for the 44th time. I think the flock is confused.

    Why else would Iggy disappear for two months to write his family history and offer nothing except a couple of threats during the worst financial crisis in Canada's modern history? Actually very clear.

    Foregone conclusion. It doesn't matter what is in the budget. He is going to support it for his own and the Liberal's survival.

    I can hardly wait for his moment of in the spotlight. A yes man.

    And the flocks shall rise and instead of bashing the budget as they have been doing without knowing the details, they will now acclaim Iggy as Caesar and proclaim...........this is Iggy's and the Liberal's budget.

    So shallow and predictable. The end result?

    A steady hand on Canada's tiller and no Liberal (or Separatist or the other party's) hands in her till.

    A good thing for Canada.

    On to another record setting minority with increased seats.
  141. Sally Struthers from Canada writes: Pete. please. The medication. Type slower. You can do it. It's called a sentence.
  142. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Well, well, well, it seems Canada has manufactured a new hybrid, not a vehicle, but a political party. Poor Mr. Harper in his desperate and spineless attempt to satisfy the opposition has shifted the Conservative party to be defined as 'a left of center party with an ideology somewhere between that of the Liberals and the NDP'.

    It is amazing how blatantly Mr. Harper is willing to disrespect the principles of his supporters to save his own political skin. Conservatism, in its federal political party form, is now dead in Canada. I cannot wait to hear them argue like hypocrites in the next election the principles they have now abandoned. It will be priceless to see and hear.
  143. billy weathers from toronto, Canada writes: to echo my fellow americans- i want my country back-
    a fair canada to her citizens
    a good government
    hope inspiration is what we need now asap
    what is harper turned into
    the mad hatter
    do you the neo cons and former reformers
    rally behind this guy are you not scared
    he might take you all down
    whats he going to do would be the honourable message
    resign now otherwise iggy is going to his his rubber ball away
    we shall see what we shall see
  144. Joel Girard from Canada writes: Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: seperatist (separatist) party is tresonous (treasonous) -- (sic and sic):

    That's funny I don't remember anywhere in law or in the BNA Act or in our Constitution where parties are declared unlawful or treasonous for advocating separation whether they are from Quebec or the West. It's also strange that some Quebec Sovereignists are not Separatists but are Sovereignty Associationists.

    But -- oh darn why do I continue, in the words of Mahitabel, 'wotthehell archie wotthehell' you don't even know what your talking about why you can't even spell.
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    Very well said sir. Sadly, Shawn talks so much crap I'm sure he'll just tune you out, like he does with common sense, difference in opinions, books.
  145. R C from Canada writes: C L from T O, Canada writes:
    As mentioned many times before, we need a left-leaning or centrist government to clean up right-wing messes and steer the economic ship back to prosperity.

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    oh geez ... you can't be serious. 60 years of mostly liberal domination should have taught you a little of the truth by now. We get sick and tired of the liberals and vote the conservative so they can take the fall for all those past liberal mistakes. Then like the little minions we are .. we go and vote the liberals right back into the majority trough so they can feed ... until the next time.

    get your facts right!
  146. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ....every trick in the book obviously includes pretending to be nice, to feign cooperation...alas!!!...the master tactician Stevie will do whatever it takes to cling to power.....the full metamorphosis of Stevie Harper....from dour, penny-pinching, income tax watchdog to the preside over a 64 billion deficit.....what a guy!!!....
  147. Dwight Winger from Winnipeg, Canada writes: 'NDP leader Jack Layton told reporters that the Conservative government can't be trusted to implement a stimulus plan and urged Mr. Ignatieff to support a coalition government.'

    As much as I don't trust Harper, I have less respect for Jack. Now he's willing to work with Liberals. It was because of Jack that Harper got into power. It was because of Jack that the Kelowna Accord was killed. It was because of Jack that the National Daycare Program was killed. When he voted against Martin's government did he actually believe things would be better under Harper? Did he believe he himself would get into power with his crappy polling numbers. Whatever Iggy decides to do, I certainly won't be happy if he decides to team up with Jack and his fringe party. I'm not a partisan. I tend to go with who I believe is doing the right thing at the right time. The right thing would be for Iggy to support the budget since we can't wait any longer to get the stimulus ball rolling. If he does so, he'll get my vote in the next election.
  148. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Long Live Stephen Harper. Time for an election so we can get a Conservative Majority and get this Country back on track to once again making it strong not like the laughing stock the Libs and Coax has made of it.
  149. Flander Jones from Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: Iggy will wait for his time which I believe will be after the summer break when it is possible Canada will be in the worst of the recession.

    OR.... On the other hand Mr. Harper knows very well the dangers of allowing the Liberals time to rebuild and is fully aware his own image has been tarnished. I am doubtful Canadians will be left in peace. It would seem we are trapped in a form of political purgatory while the man fights for his political and ideological life.
  150. Joel Girard from Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: Peter Turner from Hamilton, Canada writes: That was a funny post....and no spelling is not my strong suit. I'm more of a numbers guy.
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    This says to me;

    Peter you are right. I have no idea what I'm talking because if I did, I would show more substance.

    Shawn, I expect more when your material is being handed to you.
  151. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: billy weathers from toronto, Canada writes: 'to echo my fellow americans- i want my country back-'

    Well then why don't you tell the Liberals to renew their party and get Canadians to vote for them. You know, come up with policies and principles that Canadians will support. I read all of the posts on here telling me how terrible Harper and the CPC are and yet the fact remains that they are the party that received the most votes by a considerable margin and are the only party that received strong support in every region of the country. Instead of blindly attacking Harper why don't you ask why Canadians so soundly rejected the Liberals in the last election. Maybe you should focus on rebuilding your party. While it will take a lot of hard work and probably won't happen as fast as you like, in the long run it should be better for the party.
  152. michael moore from toronto, Canada writes: No Coalition from Canada writes: What is most revealing, is the state of politics in the internet age. The Globe and Mail chat board is little more than a tomato throwing festival without the fun of throwing the tomatoes...

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    Holy Cow. There must be two moons in the sky. No Co actually says something that I can agree with. Keep it up. Salvation is available to you, too.
  153. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I find it funny that red suspenders is worried about 2 mil that was given to Mulruney, of which we still aren't sure was justified or not, ...

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Go ahead and try to justify a former PM winkling $2million from the taxpayers based on being defamed for something he really did. This should be amusing.
  154. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ...one can make all sorts of promises and may even enshrine them in stone.....but not having credibility.....leaves one vulnerable to the knives from within.....
  155. bob saunders from Belleville, ON, Canada writes: . Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: attend to the other important priorities that it set out&8221; in its earlier Throne Speech.
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    So this is really just an addendum to October's throne Speech? How did that one turn out? ------------------------- The throne speech in October was passed. It was the economic update that was taking away from the piggies that upset the apple cart. At least have a reliable memory.
  156. G L from Thunder Bay ON., Canada writes: Speaking of split personalities. Mr Ignatieff's split political leanings while residing in the US and his now famous and soon to be reported again interview with the NY Times. I support George Bushes Iraq War I am in favour of torturing detainees to get info, I am in favour of assassinating terrorist leaders and I am in favour of holding those suspected of terrorist activities indefinitely at the Guantanamo base and his sudden and miraculous conversion to Liberalism as he was checked out of Canada Customs at Pearson Int Airport,Now that's was I call a split personality. Going from a George Bush Republican to a Pierre Elliot Trudeau Liberal in a matter of weeks.with the help of Mr Davies(Prominent Liberal advisor and recruiter) of course.
  157. Bob the taxpayer from Ottawa, Canada writes: Just last October Stephen Harper was telling Canadians 'Don't worry, be happy' about the economy, and that the future is all rosy. The conservatives were able to drop taxes and eliminate the budget surplus because the future was so bright we had to wear shades. Now here we are a mere four months later with the same Stephen Harper putting us into a record deficit with dire predictions of gloom and doom for a long time to come. Every Conservative government in the last 50 years has plunged us deeper into debt with economic mismanagement, including Myron Balony's record (for the time) deficits during his reign after promising the people sound fiscal managment. To the 5 million or so suckers who voted for Harper and company in the last election, tax cuts we can't afford combined with increased spending DO NOT equal sound fiscal management. Steve needs to stop wasting our tax dollars on attack adds with the Big Lie, and start telling us the truth. He has promised an open government and has been anything but. Come clean and stop trying to manipulate the taxpayers. You can fool some of the people all of the time (the 5 million that voted for you anyway), you can fool all of the people some of the time, but Stevo, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
  158. Taxed toDeathinOntario from Wiarton, Canada writes: You left wing bleeding hearts, have driven a fiscally responsible government into a deficit position.
    What we need now is tax reductions, and much less goverment.
    Scrapping the gst would benefit everybody.
    But No! you want to spend money you dont have for pie in the sky skeems.
    Careful what you ask for.
    Iggy you don't have the stones to bring down this government.
    The traitor and Talaban Jack are a waste of time.
  159. Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: So having tainted the atmosphere in parliament, repeatedly, Contrite Harper now promises to clean up his act - again. No thanks Stevie, but I hear Oscar nominations are still open.
  160. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Red Suspenders needs to recall that it was the Liberals that cause Mulruney to be paid the 2 mil. It was also the Liberals who gave away 100 mil.
  161. David Bakody from Dartmouth, Canada writes: $75 Billion loan ...... yea right!

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12007
  162. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Rollo 8>) from Belgium:

    The Governor General is a bit on the thin side, but technically, the definition of anorexia nervosa is a REFUSAL to maintain a weight of, at least, 85% ideal body weight...

    Maybe, she just eats right and exercises regularly.

    She might also just look thinner next to the PM...

    I think she's kinda hot looking myself.

    I wonder if it is a crime in Canada to think that one's Governor General is hot ?

    Probably.

    Slainte Mhath Chugat
  163. a l from Toronto, Canada writes: Harper has a personality?
  164. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada

    Have you been talking to any western Conservatives lately? I'm wondering how they feel about being represented by a Harper Conservative government which is now somewhere left of the Liberals, and approaching the NDP, on the fiscal front?
  165. KD Duck from Windsor, Canada writes: Why don't we just have an election and dump Layton out with the trash in Ottawa.
    This coalition song is Layton's brutal attempt to try and come close to the PM's chair, that's all, nothing more, nothing less. Layton's political future is comatose and on life support.
    Why can't he just shut up and work instead of crying about mistrust and the whole idea of a coalition partyfest.
    If Iggy supports the budget, can Layton get his money back from him?
  166. Geriatric Gardener from St Catharines, Canada writes: Recessions/depressions have occured before and will happen again. It's hard to understand how things fell apart so quickly and our leaders failed to see any of it coming.

    We will all need to work together to get through this. What I'm hearing from the crowd here is that nothing will make any of you happy. I have no faith in any of our politicians. When Harper blew it before Christmas there was all kinds of wailing about how fhe was only looking after himself. Now he's had the bejesus scared out of him and wants to work with others, the other parties are saying they don't want to work together. Can any of our politicians plan their way out of the toilet? Don't think so.

    When Harper tried to hold the line on spending, everyone wanted to run a deficit. Now he's listened and has proposed a deficit solution, everyone is asking if he's out of his mind.

    I've already said I have no faith in any politician. But come on people. I would hate to defend them, but no wonder they're a bunch of loosers. Every time they do something we tell them they're wrong. Everytime they open their mouths we ask are you stupid?

    There is no consistent message from us the people, except we're hurting, we're fed up and we've lost faith. We look to them for leadership and all we get is 'I'm going to take my ball and go home'. Let them go and let's put ten common people in there to do the job.
  167. Stan L from Canada writes: You know it's really interesting, for all of the big bluster and bravado about what the Liberals are going to do or not.....it strikes me that that same old Conservative insecurity is still working overtime.....defeat the Liberals at all costs, even when the subject is not them.

    I find it amusing that there is tacit approval of Harper amongst his supporters despite some very contrary ideological actions on his part. It's interesting how it doens't mattter WHAT he puts out there, it will be approved no matter what, leading me to believe that the main objective of the party is indeed political mischief rather than an actual objective for the direction of the country. One would expect that a least a few Conservatives will have had objections to some of the very public about faces me has put on....but silence.....are the REAL Conservatives just that disengaged?
  168. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    OK: We have been told we will be in deficit for $34 BILLION plus $30 Billion for a total of $64 BILLION!! (And WHICH govt. fiscal years?)

    These huge announcements during the past week, including Baird's $7 Billion infrastructure announcement today, equate to $13 BILLION!

    theglobeandmail.com

    64-13= $51 BILLION so far unaccounted for! Depending on what else is announced tomorrow, I hope the Opposition Parties ask the tough questions such as WHY this $51 BILLION exists (less the other innitiatives) and WHAT is the government doing to offset this monster negative! Is it an operating deficit? If so, what will the govt. do?

    Is 'government' just too big? The Civil Service? Something just doesn't sound right with these numbers. Of course there are less tax revenues in either personal, business, and other tax collections (GST) including the energy sector and fuel taxes, and more payouts, but I would like those questions answered!

    Anyone else?
    .
  169. billy weathers from toronto, Canada writes: to p lilly and the rest of the neo cons on the west coast
    look your stuck with harper you -not us-he is mad as a hatter
    and you all reformers knew it when you chose him you had a good man in preston manning and you let him go for what
    do you really think harpers put this country first come on most votes
    preston is a gentlemen
    harper come across as a
    you fill in the blanks
    how can you be proud of
    some one who does not have it all together listen form your own country cult whatever you call it
    we want ours back asap
    god bless canada and canadians
    who believe in a fair canada to all its people
    who have a strong tolerant govt
    and who take care of ite weaksest citizens
    first god bless canada
    the worls needs her back 2
  170. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Bob the taxpayer from Ottawa, Canada writes: You can fool some of the people all of the time (the 5 million that voted for you anyway), you can fool all of the people some of the time, but Stevo, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Apparently Iggy is very easily fooled.
  171. James W from Toronto, Canada writes: Has anyone considered the possibility that Harper really has turned around and is going to be an inspirational, non-partisan leader from now on? After all, perhaps Harper was never a Bush clone to begin with, but simply an American President clone. Maybe now it's Obama's brainwaves that are being beamed into him!

    Of course I never really thought Harper was a Bush clone, so I'd actually be checking to see if he starts acting like Joe Biden.
  172. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: We have common people in their. They are called Conservatives and they are trying to bring Canada back to the people but it seems idiots like Layton and the 'old' libs refuse to allow that to happen. And most of the posters on here are afraid of having their lives put in their own hands and afraid of doing their own thinking. Some like Harper scares them because he offers freedom of thinking but the Libs would sooner you be automatons and do as they say and Jack just wants all the people with all the money to give it to the people who have nothing and won't work for anything.
  173. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Flander Jones from Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: Iggy will wait for his time which I believe will be after the summer break when it is possible Canada will be in the worst of the recession.

    OR.... On the other hand Mr. Harper knows very well the dangers of allowing the Liberals time to rebuild and is fully aware his own image has been tarnished. I am doubtful Canadians will be left in peace. It would seem we are trapped in a form of political purgatory while the man fights for his political and ideological life
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    Interesting thought. Could you please expand....
    .
  174. Herman Nurnmurmer from Victoria, Canada writes: The budget will pass. Iggy needs another year under his belt, and a good year it will be for him and the Liberals. With the country sinking further into debt, unemployment rising, and the economy festering under the shadow of our US neighbours, there will be lots of ammunition to build up the Liberals' war chest over the next 12 months. A year from now, the Liberals will win a majority. Wait for the next throne speach.
  175. Fa Chili from SW ONTARIO, writes: It does not matter what's in the budget, some die-hards just want to voice their anger at the PM. Look at the mirror guys.
  176. Shades of Grey from Whitehorse, Canada writes: No Coalition from Canada writes: 'What is most revealing, is the state of politics in the internet age. The Globe and Mail chat board is little more than a tomato throwing festival without the fun of throwing the tomatoes...'

    Nice to see you setting a good example, No Co. I take it you saw the light after your previous posts: 'Hey your leftie wingnuts.... GET BACK TO WORK.... ROFL...'; 'Time for a diaper change and a cianide capsule for the unhappy masses.' 'First of all Peter... it's Throne... Secondly...awww forget it...you're lost.'
  177. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Stan L from Canada wrote:

    'are the REAL Conservatives just that disengaged?'

    ***************

    A very good question. Clearly this is Harper saving Harper's skin. In doing so he is trashing the principles of many of his grassroot supporters. I'm not sure but ... I expect he'll be dumping a lot of this money into Alberta, changing the western Conservative psyche by trying to buy them into this change with big government money. Their reaction will be interesting to watch.
  178. Stan L from Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada......I am with you, the math just isn't adding up, which leads me to seriously wonder just what's in that budget tomorrow....with each 'feel good' announcement, I grow more and more concerned that Harper has some ugly poison pills in here....the kind that are easy to vote against, but not when it means taking away money already pre-promised.....unlike you, I think Ignatieff is 50/50 on voting for or against this budget....I do believe him when he says he is going to make a call when he sees the budget.
  179. NL Patriot from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada writes: C L from T O, Canada writes: For the record... there has NEVER been a fiscally prudent right-wing party, either here or in the US (look at the record). Conservative parties exist for the good of and to serve their benefactors: Big Business. (To the exclusion of, or on the backs of, all others.)

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    I would say the Alberta Conservative party and the Newfoundland Conservative party have been and are fiscally prudent. We have the surpluses and the economic growth to prove it
  180. Tony . from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Whoa! We have a government?!?! When did that happen?
  181. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I wonder how many posters on here buy Canadian made and USA made or try to save money and buy China or Taiwan etc. made.
    I wonder what economy you guys really support.
    I can tell you who I support and it is Canadian and/or US made.
    You want to yip yap about you government and the finacial crisis we're in but I wonder who all is doing their part out there to help this economy. My guess is China is getting richer.
  182. Sober Second Thought from Toronto, Canada writes: Tony from Waterloo - very funny!

    I read the Throne Speech. Shortest one in history. All they spoke of was economic plans.

    I guess Harper does not have any plans to introduce any legislation this year.
  183. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I wonder how many posters on here buy foreign made cars.
    Not me. I happen to like my Dodge.
  184. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Taxed toDeathinOntario from Wiarton, Canada writes: You left wing bleeding hearts, have driven a fiscally responsible government into a deficit position.

    ======================

    That's just pure drivel. The HarpoCons were charging into a deficit well before they acknowledged the financial crisis.
  185. Jimmy K from Toronto, Canada writes: Oh my. Let me get thus straight, half the commenters here are suggesting the best course of action is to raise taxes and suck money out of the economy, then spend it in the economy as 'stimulus'? Are you guys seriously that dumb? Scenario a: you are laid off and get 200 a week in EI to spend. Scenario b: you are laid off and get 200 a week in EI to spend, minus 10 dollars the government takes. The government spends it on 'stimulus' and indirectly puts 5 in your pocket, and five in the pocket of someone still employed. Which scenario is better for the economy? Say what you will about the GST cuts, but if 'stimulus' is the name of the game in 2009, RAISING the GST to stimulate the economy makes as much sense as treating an alcoholic with a bottle of vodka.
  186. billy weathers from toronto, Canada writes: pete sake sounds you are the boss what do you live in west vancouver and have your latte while you walk the seawall what do know of work come to canada as the bosses
    and whip those slaves into action come on
    we talking about a govt without heart
    pete sake you sound like canada should be run like a company
    hudsons bay come to mind
    it is not a company its a country
    proud of her are you then ask harper to resign
    make some noise for petes sake
    we want our country back
    now maybe by this time wendesday
    its all over but the crying what harper going to do
    you tell me pete sake
  187. G L from Thunder Bay ON., Canada writes: For those of you Liberal and Socialists who have been delibriatly twisting the truth a wee bit.This world wide recession started n late Oct early Nov with the Wall Street financial collapse and combined with the dramatic fall of the price of oil per barrel. Well beyond the control of our government and clearly not of their making. . Your either misinformed or as one would suspect, you have a Separatist,Socialist, Liberal Coalition axe to grind.
  188. Mr. Justice from Anytown, Canada writes: The Tories have obviously changed their tune. Maybe some in that caucus had a little chat with Mr. Harper ?
  189. J W from Ontario, Canada writes: I just don't understand the permanent tax cuts. Reagonomics doesn't work and is totally discredited. Furthermore, interest rates are down, gas prices are good and so on. Anyone who has a job is doing just fine. I don't want a tax cut -- the idea is moronic. All it does is load the country with debt -- debt we and our kids will have to pay back.

    The people who need attention are those losing their jobs -- they don't have to pay any income tax and neither does a temporarily unprofitable company.

    A tax cut now, on top of deficit spending will incur a massive Debt? It's insanity or pure partisanship (probably both).
  190. Stan L from Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes: Stan L from Canada wrote:

    'are the REAL Conservatives just that disengaged?'

    *************

    A very good question. Clearly this is Harper saving Harper's skin. In doing so he is trashing the principles of many of his grassroot supporters. I'm not sure but ... I expect he'll be dumping a lot of this money into Alberta, changing the western Conservative psyche by trying to buy them into this change with big government money. Their reaction will be interesting to watch.

    =====================

    Oh I agree, the numbers from Alberta and BC are going to be the most telling here. Ignatieff has made some very very public outreach to the West and I think while they are still mistrustful....they are warming up rapidly........I woulnd't be surprised that Igantieff doens't win back the red Tory support, simply on the grounds of his sensibility and calm during times of economic crisis.
  191. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Stan L from Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada......I am with you, the math just isn't adding up, which leads me to seriously wonder just what's in that budget tomorrow....with each 'feel good' announcement, I grow more and more concerned that Harper has some ugly poison pills in here....the kind that are easy to vote against, but not when it means taking away money already pre-promised.....unlike you, I think Ignatieff is 50/50 on voting for or against this budget....I do believe him when he says he is going to make a call when he sees the budget.
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    Stan, you mis-read me. I also believe he will honestly wait and see as stated above. If the budget is anything 'close' to making LPC policy sense,(forget about McCallum) it will pass with ease. If ( The BIG if) there are many poison pills, IGGY will have a decision to make. We'll see...
    .
  192. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes:
    'A very good question. Clearly this is Harper saving Harper's skin. In doing so he is trashing the principles of many of his grassroot supporters. I'm not sure but ... I expect he'll be dumping a lot of this money into Alberta, changing the western Conservative psyche by trying to buy them into this change with big government money. Their reaction will be interesting to watch. '

    Another interesting reaction to watch will be the reaction of Liberal supporters when they realize that their leader has many of the same qualities as the leader of the CPC whom they purport to despise. I suspect that they won't miss a beat lining up behind Ignatieff while at the same time calling Harper arrogant, controlling and a Bush disciple. It seems that most reactions are based on what party the leader represents. I have no doubt that we would be seeing a different tone of posts if Ignatieff was leader of the CPC.
  193. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Jimmy K from Toronto, Canada

    A family that is deep in debt has a few dollars left over. They decide to cut their income because they don't need the extra money. That's how stupid the 2% Harper GST cut was in the good times.
  194. Stan L from Canada writes: J W from Ontario, Canada writes: I just don't understand the permanent tax cuts. Reagonomics doesn't work and is totally discredited. Furthermore, interest rates are down, gas prices are good and so on. Anyone who has a job is doing just fine. I don't want a tax cut -- the idea is moronic. All it does is load the country with debt -- debt we and our kids will have to pay back.

    I agree....I would much rather my job be safe, I will happily pay my taxes if I know my job is on surer ground. I am happy for my taxes to support EI, healthcare...particularily in these times. We don't need tax cuts....at least froma broad and general perspective. I WOULD however support limited corporate tax cuts and tax cuts to the poor.
  195. NL Patriot from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I wonder how many posters on here buy Canadian made and USA made or try to save money and buy China or Taiwan etc. made.
    I wonder what economy you guys really support.
    I can tell you who I support and it is Canadian and/or US made.
    You want to yip yap about you government and the finacial crisis we're in but I wonder who all is doing their part out there to help this economy. My guess is China is getting richer.

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    Pete I buy what ever is the best decision for my family and my dollar. Why should I reward Canadian or American companies for over paying for menial labor and manufacturing jobs when I can get the exact same product for much cheaper.

    This is a global economy and those companies who want to ignore that fact will get a serious dose of reality.
  196. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I hope it will be all over but the crying because as we head into a new election and that we will because it will be totally irresponsible for the GG to turn the gov't over to an unelected Iggy and the Canadian people will have a choice. That choice will be, do you want a Conservative gov't to lead us out of this crisis or do you want a coalition supported by a separtist party.. That will be the choice this time around. The scene has been set for a coalition if Iggy brings this gov't down and it will be the what the next election will be run on.
    And please don't think I would be so stupid as to pay Vancouver prices for a home there.
  197. Stan L from Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Stan L from Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada......I am with you, the math just isn't adding up, which leads me to seriously wonder just what's in that budget tomorrow....with each 'feel good' announcement, I grow more and more concerned that Harper has some ugly poison pills in here....the kind that are easy to vote against, but not when it means taking away money already pre-promised.....unlike you, I think Ignatieff is 50/50 on voting for or against this budget....I do believe him when he says he is going to make a call when he sees the budget.
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    Stan, you mis-read me. I also believe he will honestly wait and see as stated above. If the budget is anything 'close' to making LPC policy sense,(forget about McCallum) it will pass with ease. If ( The BIG if) there are many poison pills, IGGY will have a decision to make. We'll see...
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    you are right, I did misunderstand your post....Wednesday morning will be VERY interesting.
  198. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Mr. Justice from Anytown, Canada writes: The Tories have obviously changed their tune. Maybe some in that caucus had a little chat with Mr. Harper ?

    ====================

    If so, they're marked men. Harper won't let that kind of challenge go unpunished. If his government survives, look for a Stalin-style purge within the CPC ranks.
  199. NL Patriot from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes: Jimmy K from Toronto, Canada

    A family that is deep in debt has a few dollars left over. They decide to cut their income because they don't need the extra money. That's how stupid the 2% Harper GST cut was in the good times.

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    Percy that is a poor analogy. First off the family who has the money left over can do what it wants with it because they earned it and they own it.

    The government who has money left over is because it is taking too much from the families. Governments don't earn or own that money. As for the 2% GST cut I agree that it was stupid policy however I would have supported a large middle class tax cut to restore some of the money the Feds are over taxing us.
  200. Percy from NL from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada

    You make a very good point, the Liberal were much more fiscally prudent. And if Ignatieff moved his fiscal policies from those of Paul Martin to as far left-of-center as Harper has move the Conservative's then Liberal supporters would likely be upset. I can agree with that.
  201. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I bet NL Patriot likes to be paid in Canadian dollars.
  202. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes:
    'Oh I agree, the numbers from Alberta and BC are going to be the most telling here. Ignatieff has made some very very public outreach to the West and I think while they are still mistrustful....they are warming up rapidly........I woulnd't be surprised that Igantieff doens't win back the red Tory support, simply on the grounds of his sensibility and calm during times of economic crisis. '

    If by public outreach you mean the same promises that every Liberal leader makes then you are correct. The Liberals have a lot of ground to make up in the West and it will take more than just words to win back anybody. They are a few elections away from being
    relevant west of Ontario and no amount of your wishful thinking reflected in your post wil change this.
  203. Free The West Free The West from A Vote For The Liberals Is a Vote For The Bloc., Canada writes: I answer to you all above; no, Conservatives areen't happy with all this Government spending. But we know that the Ontario/Quebec socialists are ready to stage a coup if Harper doesn't do it, and then we would have dramatically worse spending. That's Canada for you, Southern Ontario and their slanted media still control the agenda despite being rejected by Canadian voters. Wonder where all this Western Separatism might be coming from?
  204. NL Patriot from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada writes: J W from Ontario, Canada writes: I just don't understand the permanent tax cuts. Reagonomics doesn't work and is totally discredited. Furthermore, interest rates are down, gas prices are good and so on. Anyone who has a job is doing just fine. I don't want a tax cut -- the idea is moronic. All it does is load the country with debt -- debt we and our kids will have to pay back.

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    You can call cutting taxes Reaganomics all you want but it is sound policy to cut middle class taxes. The problem with the likes of Reagan and the Republicans in the Us is they give the largest tax cuts to the very wealthy.

    Clinton grew the US economy more than anyone and he did it with middle class tax cuts. Obama is proposing the exact same thing so to say it is right wing politics to cut taxes is just plain wrong.
  205. Percy from NL from Canada writes: NL Patriot from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada

    'The government who has money left over is because it is taking too much from the families.'

    **************

    I cannot believe you just wrote that. Tell that to the kids and grandkids after they grow up and are burdened by mom's and dad's government debt.
  206. Flander Jones from Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: Interesting thought. Could you please expand....

    Not particularly interesting I'm afraid. Just cynical. Mr. Harper knows that Mr. Ignatieff is a far more dangerous political animal than Mr. Dion and so he will try to cripple him. Probably tomorrow. The question is, amongst all this spend! spend! spend! news, what is going to be revealed that would force the Liberals to vote against the budget? Your guess is better than mine.

    Cheers,
  207. Stan L from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Another interesting reaction to watch will be the reaction of Liberal supporters when they realize that their leader has many of the same qualities as the leader of the CPC whom they purport to despise. I suspect that they won't miss a beat lining up behind Ignatieff while at the same time calling Harper arrogant, controlling and a Bush disciple. It seems that most reactions are based on what party the leader represents. I have no doubt that we would be seeing a different tone of posts if Ignatieff was leader of the CPC. ===================== I don't think this is going to happen...a close inspection doens't bear out your attempt to link Ignatieff and Harper and even on a superficial level, the two are operating in completely different weight classes (that is NOT a Harper fat joke) Harper continues along with the same old same old....attack ads and etc....Ignatieff is trying to steer the debate onto much loftier territory...he is noticeably more articulate and more passionate........I don't think anyone will confuse the two in policy or manner....and think the hypothesis that he could be an 'interchangeable' leader of either party is much overstated, he is just far too passionate about some of the key Liberal beliefs that run counter to some of the more tradtional Conservative ones.
  208. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: NL Patriot from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada writes:...
    The government who has money left over is because it is taking too much from the families.

    ===========================

    There's no surplus as long as there's still public debt.
  209. Dave sharp from Canada writes: Does Liberal fiscal responsibility include the money stolen from the public in Adscam? It is not difficult to be rolling in money when the Liberal party taxes the crap out of the public. In fact, since you all have such SHORT memories, it would be prudent to look back a few year ago to remind yourselves why the Liberals are not in power now. Calling Mr Harper all the names that the Liberal party aptly earned does not make it truth. If the Liberal Party of Canada wants to responsibly contribute to the fiscal health of the country,they can start by repaying the money they stole!
  210. Geoffrey May from Canada writes: The speach indicates that Harper doesn't know a crisis when he sees one.The recession is a concern but its far from a crisis , but global climate change is .
  211. Stan L from Canada writes: Free The West Free The West from A Vote For The Liberals Is a Vote For The Bloc., Canada writes: I answer to you all above; no, Conservatives areen't happy with all this Government spending. But we know that the Ontario/Quebec socialists are ready to stage a coup if Harper doesn't do it, and then we would have dramatically worse spending.

    But who led you to believe that the Opposition wanted wanton reckless spending as a solution? I think Igantieff has been very clear about where he would like to see stimulus and cuts and etc.....and you have to ask yourself, IF Harper fundamentally believes that spening is the wrong way to go....why doens't he stick to his guns, give up power, watch the oppositions solutions fail and come back in for the big 'I told you so'? You are Ok with Harper being a big sell-out just o stay in power?
  212. Greg Coyle from Oakville, Canada writes: The Harper agenda is alive and well in this budget. Let's not forget his stated goal of reshaping the country with strong provincial (read Alberta) governments and a weak federal government. The tax cuts he plans to introduce tomorrow (along with TFSA) will contribute to this by limiting the governments ability to raise money and fund programs. Nothing else matters to him.
  213. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: It's so funny. When we had such a huge surplus everyone was saying the gov't is taking too much in taxes so the Conservatives gave some of it back to us. Canada did not start this economic crisis nor should it feel the gov't is resposible. It was created by greed and greed destroyed itself. Unfortunately we have to pay for it.
    Had this not happened we would all be enjoying the 2% cut in GST and wanting more as promised to us when Chretian ran his RED BOOK election and of course recinded on once he got in power again.
    Had this not happened we would be enjoying tax cuts each year but this did happen and no one in this country is responsible for it.
    The only 2 people who really enjoys this are Jack Layton and Elizabeth May. It gave them ammuntion to no end and thank God she did not get elected or it would be a nastier fight yet.
  214. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: As for Iggy becoming popular in the West.....yeah right...dream on.
  215. Len West from Toronto, Canada writes: So Layton and Duceppe won't support it - without even reading it. And someone actually would like to have those turkeys part of government. And give the separatists veto power on all legislation. C'mon guys, the Conservatives certainly aren't perfect, Harper screwed up in the fall, but he is the best choice we now have. Ignatieff is certainly a better shot than the A-H Dion, but let's call another election in due time - give it a year or so, and if Iggie wins, sobeit. But right now, the economy is in big do do and we can't mess around with jerks like Harper having any say whatsoever. He and his party have been soundly rejected by the electorate and he has no right to sharing power through the back door. He would cripple our economy as Rae did to Ontario.
  216. Watercooler Pundit from Regina, Canada writes: maurizio arani - your first mistake - God.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

    Become enlightened, then enter into political debate.
  217. NL Patriot from Republic of Newfoundland, Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I bet NL Patriot likes to be paid in Canadian dollars

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    Pete as long as I have a good job and get paid, yes I am happy with Canadian Dollars.
  218. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Free The West Free The West from A Vote For The Liberals Is a Vote For The Bloc., Canada

    'Dramatically worse spending'?

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    Really, is that based on the 10 years preceding when Harper took control or is that just a suitable statement on your part. For your information the Harper government was responsible for record government spending in 2006, 2007, and 2008.

    Also ... so you're speaking for all westerners by saying you would separate because your man Stephen Harper was so spineless? That's very curious logic to say the least.
  219. Living Fossil from Edmonton, Canada writes: Did anyone else notice Harper's stiff and uncomfortable posture during the reading of the Speech from the Throne? His body language certainly made it look like he was very uncomfortable with what was being said; that makes me very wary of his true intentions.

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  220. Cesar Hechler from Costa Mesa, CA, United States writes: Well, aren't you all clever. All I see is a bunch of partisan rhetoric, which I have been reading from before the 2006 election. People have become walking billboards for political parties and not thinking citizens of their country who should be thinking of supporting a government during a severe and serious crisis. There's already been over a month of parliamentary hiatus that shouldn't have happened and now there's a whole bunch here that want to see the government gone regardless of the contents of the budget. The hiatus forced the government to set budget deficits (which is always clever when everyone around you is going broke), and now you want to see another month-long period of inactivity to allow the whithering coalition the period it would take to transition a new government into place. I think there's a quote that's most fitting at this hour from the immortal Slim Pickens: 'Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.' Just replace earphones for internet and you get the idea.
  221. Bruce Gerrard from Toronto, Canada writes: People GET A GRIP!! Why is it that the opposition and their supporters are just SO CYNICAL?!? Why are left wing idealogues so miserable so bitter?? Why is is that everything has to be viewed through a partisan lens? It's not that I philisophically agree with Big Government spending but I do believe that a government should not be so stubborn that they are blind to realistic and necessary steps to improve the country and it's economy. Isn't that what a government, a minority government no less should be doing? The left wing nuts just can't help themselves.
  222. Great White North from Canada writes: Well, Well, Well, how about it. I wonder if the opposition never got together to form a coalition and never stood against the lies of this GOVERNMENT I wonder how much deeper in s...T we would be.

    We did not have a problem, we did not have a recession, we were skipping a downturn, job lost were not problem, nobody was losing their jobs, and we were immune. This was two months ago and this was table by this GOVERNMENT.

    Clearly they are not capable of running the country, the economy or our foreign policy unless they got their instructions from another country speech by speech letter by letter.
    And now we have a lot of problems don’t we.
    This government is incapable of running the country the only thing they are good at is Putting East against West , and putting Canadians Against each other.

    Would you trust the Wolf to guard your Children not in a million years
  223. Remain Nameless from Canada writes: Give it up, Jack. You went for the brass ring and missed it. Now go back to braying to the moon like you always did. Hopeless, and alone.
  224. forty sum from Canada writes: Harper cannot be trusted to do the right thing for Canadians right across Canada, his Job is all he is interested in. Bring on the Coalition GG, the lies and back stabbing needs to stop.
  225. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L,
    For once we agree. Harper and Ignatieff are not interchangeable. Ignatieff is much further right than Harper on his views on the US empire and in his support for Bush's policies. He is left of Harper on other social issues. My point was simply that it is amazing how uncritically Liberal supporters embrace a leader who stands for many things that the party is against. I am sure you, for one, have serious misgivings on his views on the role of the US empire and on his views on torture but many others seem to have turned a blind eye to these issues once he became leader of the Liberals.
  226. Stan L from Canada writes: Living Fossil from Edmonton, Canada writes: Did anyone else notice Harper's stiff and uncomfortable posture during the reading of the Speech from the Throne? His body language certainly made it look like he was very uncomfortable with what was being said; that makes me very wary of his true intentions.

    I wouldn't put too much stock in that....the truth is I think Harper is one of those people who is very uncomfortable with 'all eyes on him' Even at his most benign press function, Harper always looks like he is wearing a starched 3 piece straight jacket...that is itchy. I think is is a natural state for him and needs to be overlooked.
  227. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Greg Coyle from Oakville, Canada writes: The Harper agenda is alive and well in this budget. Let's not forget his stated goal of reshaping the country with strong provincial (read Alberta) governments and a weak federal government. The tax cuts he plans to introduce tomorrow (along with TFSA) will contribute to this by limiting the governments ability to raise money and fund programs. Nothing else matters to him.
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    So Greg, why is it that you feel the need to slam Alberta ? We're hurting just like every other province. With Ontario looking at collecting transfer payments there aren't to many other have provinces. What happens when all provinces become have not ? and don't think it can't happen. If you're not happy with the CPC then OK but please drop the Alberta bashing. It's really getting old.
  228. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Stan L from Canada : Appreciate your posts. We always have had great fun exchanging.......but I truly hope WE all come to realize WE are all in this together regardless of stripe. This will be about survival. I just read the new IMF report:

    Reuters: January 26, 2009:

    'The International Monetary Fund has slashed its forecasts for 2009 global growth to 0.5 per cent from 2.2 per cent in its last economic outlook in November, a Group of 20 (G20) finance official told Reuters on Monday.

    The fund forecast the U.S. economy to contract 1.6 per cent this year compared to an earlier forecast of a 0.7 per cent fall, said the official, who had access to the forecast. It sees U.S. growth at 1.6 per cent in 2010.'

    76% of Canadian exports go to the USA!

    --IMF head says economic prospects even worse than previous projections!

    --Warns of risk of social unrest in some hard-hit countries.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2009/NEW012109A.htm
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  229. True North from Canada writes: Harper on CTV just called his spending 'not unprecedented' then goes on to call the economic crisis 'unprecedented' - disconnect.

    Harper is spinning in the wind.
  230. TeePee Kan from Fort York, Canada writes:
    CANADA!

    I haven't read the 228 preceeding comments and don't care to know, however if the political yahoos in Ottawa don't get off their collective political asses and agree to agree for the good of CANADA there is going to be a revolution!

    The first to go is that Yapdog Layton and while we're at it, the Ontario faction goes with him.

    Canada does not need this party of limited vision and concern.........the rest of their platform is Buffalo Dung without risk!

    Canada has had enough; show us real leadership!
  231. J W from Ontario, Canada writes: NL Patriot wrote: Why should I reward Canadian or American companies ... This is a global economy and those companies who want to ignore that fact will get a serious dose of reality.

    How do you think North America is paying for those Chinese goods? It is just pure debt -- like a ditz with a credit card. North America has been deluding itself that buying and selling houses and stocks counts as economic activity. Sorry to be the one to tell you guys -- but it doesn't and those chickens are coming home to roost over the next few years because China isn't willing to cheaply finance US debt any more.

    It's people thinking that globalization is a magic bullet that got us into this mess. At least Canada has primary resources so we can be a banana republic under the Chinese hegemony (like Nigeria, etc...). Too bad for the majority of us who don't work in resources. Alternately, we could demand manufacturing and safety standards (proper labour laws, no dumping in rivers, no lead on the kids toys, true cost of manufacturing/recycling to avoid all those Chinese printers going into landfill, etc...) and keep jobs here until the playing field actually gets level. I say buy Canadian because the true cost of doing anything else is higher now and in the long run. It's about time governments stopped letting China undercut Canadian manufacturing.
  232. G L from Thunder Bay ON., Canada writes: Sensibility and Calm? What! Two weeks ago George Bush Republican and now faux Liberal Micheal Ignatieff was promoting middle class tax cuts and he was also promoting a 30 Billion dollar stimulus package. Now he's, as he did when he came back to Canada after YEARS of self imposed separation from Canada. He has a miraculous conversion of political leanings. This time he's opposed to tax cuts and he's worried about the deficit. 30 Billion dollars wouldn't lead to a deficit? Oh wait I forget,! Mr Ignatieff was one of the promoters of the Green Carbon Tax, oh yes he apparently was very high on the idea. I get it tax Canadians to death and balance the books. That's sensibility? What did Iggy say to-day about split personalities?
  233. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Geoffrey May from Canada writes: The speach indicates that Harper doesn't know a crisis when he sees one.The recession is a concern but its far from a crisis , but global climate change is .
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    Not a crisis ? Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who have already lost their jobs.
    If harper said there was no crisis you'd scream and if he said there was a crisis you'd scream.
  234. Flander Jones from Canada writes:
    Mr. Carriere, I will be very curious to see exactly what is in the budget. Mr. Harper is an economic ideologue. I do not believe he is capable of overseeing the largest deficit budget to date. I believe he will have something in it to force the Liberals to vote no. Then he can point to the Liberals for blocking his stimulus package. My bet is the games continue to the detriment of most Canadians.
  235. Rick Bott from Vancouver, Canada writes: Blah blah blah...Rome burning....politicians fiddling...blah blah.. middle class gets screwed over...business as usual.
  236. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: NL Patriot might want to try spending his Canadian made dollars on Canadian made goods so he too can help other Candians make Canadian dollars so hopefully they will spend their Canadian made dollars on Canadian made goods so other Canadians can make Canadian dollars and so on and so on and so on.
    Heck we might even be able to pull ourselves out of this crisis without any gov't help. What a novel idea.
  237. Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: Bruce Gerrard from Toronto, Canada writes: 'People GET A GRIP!! Why is it that the opposition and their supporters are just SO CYNICAL?!? Why are left wing idealogues so miserable so bitter?? Why is is that everything has to be viewed through a partisan lens?'

    I hope you are aware of the irony (or is it inconsistency) of your statement.
  238. Great White North from Canada writes: - Would you trust Harper not in a million year bribed a dying a man, then lie about it and dragged his family through mud and back; - fired a Liberal appointed Nuclear watch-dog for doing her job when the Conservative appointed head of Atomic Energy of Canada was at fault; - lost Canadians millions over a broken promise on income trusts; - clawed back on resource royalties from have-not provinces through a broken promise on the Atlantic Accord; - fixed the election dates then called one ($300 million later), sitting parliament as dysfunctional despite passing every bit of legislation he wanted; - branded his opponent as 'not a leader', without any knowledge in support, only days after his appointment; - Took the electorate for granted by not releasing a plan until days before the election and days after early polling - ran disgusting and defamatory ads; - used scare tactics to discredit his opponents platforms despite the fact that they are significantly supported by the scientific and economic communities; - Possibly committed election fraud through the in-and-out-scam; - Squandered a surplus; - Said a deficit was out of the question, now suggesting it is likely; - Bashed his opponents saying they would run a deficit, now suggesting you will too; - Suggested the economy is fine, that we aren't headed for a recession, while simultaneously saying that we are in uncertain times (this guy has a Master's in Economics, I might add); - Provided families with tax cuts and $100 child allowance when clearly that won't buy shorter waits times for health care or a child care spot; - Lied to Canadians, suggesting his opponents were raising taxes without any evidence of the fact; - Stands behind his ministers, when they leave classified information behind, call your opponents dogs in the House, make jokes about Listeriosis... - Claims a coalition is undemocratic yet welcomes floor crossers to his party;
  239. Out of Curiosity from Ottawa, Canada writes: Harper's deathbed conversion. Too little, too late, the man cannot be trusted.
    Bring on the coalition.
  240. Michael S from Toronto, Canada writes: Is it just me, but is Michael Ignatieff a far-and-away better orator than his holiness Barack?

    Crisper logic in his articulation, much more vibrant imagery and a lot more substance despite the ferocity of the vocabulary, all combined in a cool, calm delivery. I'm not being pretentious or anything, but I honestly believe Ignatieff is a much, much better speaker than Obama.

    Forget telling that to those who worship the United States of Hollywood though, nothing can even touch their messianic poster-boy of all things hip and cool.
  241. Michael S from Toronto, Canada writes: Is it just me, or is Michael Ignatieff a far-and-away better orator than his holiness Barack?

    Crisper logic in his articulation, much more vibrant imagery and a lot more substance despite the ferocity of the vocabulary, all combined in a cool, calm delivery. I'm not being pretentious or anything, but I honestly believe Ignatieff is a much, much better speaker than Obama.

    Forget telling that to those who worship the United States of Hollywood though, nothing can even touch their messianic poster-boy of all things hip and cool.
  242. dave charlston from toronto, Canada writes: I still don't know who or why this Michaëlle Jean is our Governor General.
  243. ed ncda from Canada writes: ..............Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes:
    If the Globe and Mail disables its comment system, productivity in this country might jump a few fractions of a percentage point.........

    Agreed.

    Most of this crap is as meaningful as graffitti over a truckstop urinal.
  244. Stan L from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L,
    For once we agree. Harper and Ignatieff are not interchangeable. Ignatieff is much further right than Harper on his views on the US empire and in his support for Bush's policies. He is left of Harper on other social issues. My point was simply that it is amazing how uncritically Liberal supporters embrace a leader who stands for many things that the party is against. I am sure you, for one, have serious misgivings on his views on the role of the US empire and on his views on torture but many others seem to have turned a blind eye to these issues once he became leader of the Liberals.
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    I think you misunderstand Ignatieff's positons on both torture and the US, you need to look at his work chronologically, and in context. He is not an advocate of torture and has been a fierce supporter of a 'unique and distinctly Canadian ' voice on the world stage, he has made it clear that he will work with the US easily, but has also made it clear that he will always choose what's best for Canada first......none of that differs from the traditional Liberals stance on anything.
  245. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I also think the coalition would be good. It would separate Western Canada, Eastern Canada and Quebec. Might be far cheaper in the long run.
  246. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Michael S from Toronto, Canada writes: 'Is it just me, but is Michael Ignatieff a far-and-away better orator than his holiness Barack?'

    I think it's just you. I read Ignatieff's views on invading Iraq and on torture. His writing is excellent. His logic and reasoning is weak. Obama seems to have principles. That distinguishes the 2 men.
  247. Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: 'I wonder how many posters on here buy foreign made cars.Not me. I happen to like my Dodge.'

    I'm quite happy with my Volkswagen, Toyota, and Saab.
  248. Percy from NL from Canada writes: John Baird just got caught in a lie on CBC. He said that municipal leaders did not indicate to him that the idea of an equal three way split on these infrastructure projects would be a problem for them.

    Yep, the Harper Conservatives are at it again and the budget hasn't even be released. Their going to give you a tax cut on one hand and require the municipalities up your taxes on the other in order for your community to qualify. What a bunch of jackasses these Harper Conservatives are.
  249. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Flander Jones from Canada writes:
    Mr. Carriere, I will be very curious to see exactly what is in the budget. Mr. Harper is an economic ideologue. I do not believe he is capable of overseeing the largest deficit budget to date. I believe he will have something in it to force the Liberals to vote no. Then he can point to the Liberals for blocking his stimulus package. My bet is the games continue to the detriment of most Canadians.
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    Unfortunately-- I AGREE!
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  250. Tax Me To Death from Regina, Canada writes: Wow. Increase taxes. Increase Spending. Bring it on. Be proud to be a Canadian and taxed to death.

    DUMP taxes...
    DUMP CBC...
    SLASH Govt...
    Get people WORKING...
    Let Quebec Separate - there is 8 billion a year just there!

    ..... forget about partisan politics - stop whining about CONS or Liberals or NDP or Rhino parties - think of the economy.

    I DON'T WANT and ELECTION or Coalition government - I only want a government.

    I think we should declare war against the USA and surrender unconditionally.....
  251. Sally Struthers from Canada writes: Pete Sake
    Keep posting! You're a great incentive for people not to vote conservative!! Don't stop, little fella!
  252. Maximilian Widmaier from East Van, Canada writes: Long live Prime Minister Gilles Duceppe!
  253. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: great white north ........you forgot to mention the beer and popcorn money......
  254. wally rabbit from Zeitgeist, Canada writes: Our Canadian bank government bailout is the same as the USA- Except

    1. We were not told about it.
    2. We did not vote on it or even discuss it in the house of commons.
    3. It is larger than the USA's in comparison to our GDP.

    READ-
    Canada's 75 Billion Dollar Bank Bailout
    The $64 Billion Federal Budget Deficit is intended to Finance Canada's Chartered Banks

    by Michel Chossudovsky

    WAKE UP AND SPEAK UP PEOPLE!!!
  255. Michael S from Toronto, Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Michael S from Toronto, Canada writes: 'Is it just me, but is Michael Ignatieff a far-and-away better orator than his holiness Barack?'

    I think it's just you. I read Ignatieff's views on invading Iraq and on torture. His writing is excellent. His logic and reasoning is weak. Obama seems to have principles. That distinguishes the 2 men.

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    Name but ONE principle Barack stands for (aside from his opposition to the invasion of Iraq, which was simply him appeasing Palestinian constituencies in Chicago as a matter of political expediency). I dare you to name one.
    Besides, Ignatieff was wrong about Iraq, sure, but that doesn't mean that in a head-to-head debate he couldn't undress Barack on other issues...think about it.
  256. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada,
    Looks like the UK Guardian also misinterpreted his work as did most human rights experts. He acted as an apologist for the US empire and for George Bush. That puts it all in context. I realize that he is the leader of the Liberal party but that doesn't mean you have to accept him without being critical. Again, this is the very thing that you and others accuse the CPC of doing. I would like to see one single Liberal supporter who actually questions their leaders views on anything. Just one.
  257. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Tax Me To Death from Regina, Canada writes: I think we should declare war against the USA and surrender unconditionally.....

    Thanks for that, you cracked me up. Unfortunately they may surrender first and then we would be stuck with their debt.
  258. Spending our money from Canada writes:
    I still haven't heard what Mike and his pals Jack and Gil are carrying up the Hill to make things any different than what's in the bucket that being filled Harper.

    Lots of talk, no plan.
  259. Peasinour Thyme from Edmonton, Canada writes: Hey, c'mon now, Harper is an exceptional leader.

    He uses 'exceptions' to weasel out of his promises and commitments. His famous one was the $300M exception that prompted last year's election.

    There is no doubt that every one of the conciliatory obligations he makes under this new budget will be be reneged under exceptions stemming for our 'crisis'.

    We know he lies to us. Famous example: 'The coalition is ignoring the constitution and trying to mount an illegal coup.'

    We know he can't lead responsibly. He was warned about the risks of the GST cuts and he went ahead anyway.

    He is secretive and disrespectful of the law and of Canadian taxpayers. His obstructionism is costing us millions in the 'in-and-out' scandal during which he stole money from me. I fume to think my money was used illegally to pay for attack ads on respectable people.

    He makes statements on behalf of all Canadians that are based on his superstitious beliefs that affect our international standing. How dare he declare unilaterally 'our' unconditional support of Isreal!?? How are we to contribute as peacekeepers when we are taking sides? His main reason for supporting Israel is found in the Christian belief in 'rapture'! - sorry, not how I want my PM making decisions!

    Oh, please, Mr. Ignatieff, I have heard you talk. I admire your CV and your accomplishments. It would be a pleasure to have you as our PM. Please do not support this budget with your confidence. Please bring down the house and let the Coalition govern Canada with you as Prime Minister.
  260. Michael S from Toronto, Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Michael S from Toronto, Canada writes: 'Is it just me, but is Michael Ignatieff a far-and-away better orator than his holiness Barack?'

    I think it's just you. I read Ignatieff's views on invading Iraq and on torture. His writing is excellent. His logic and reasoning is weak. Obama seems to have principles. That distinguishes the 2 men.

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    Barack has been rambling on prime time television for the past 2.5 years and still nobody knows exactly what he is preaching (when you actually dissect his message, or lack of message, that is).
  261. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Western Canada would definately benefit from a coalition Gov't take over. All the money would saty in the West. The east can eat cars and Quebec can eat frogs.
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    Don't see the logic. Jack would have money for the unions (not big out west) The separatist would have money for Quebec. And Iggy with about 11 seats in all of the west couldn't care less about the west. He did say he'd try and win over the west but so did JC and PM. Didn't work so well.
    No the coalition would rape the west all for votes in the east. What a country.
  262. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: max........I too like my north american car.....a chrysler pt cruiser, assembled in mexico.....think that might have anything to do with uaw/caw?
  263. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???

    Dude, if you want to make all Conservatives look like idiots that is up to you. But don't don't go dragging the entire male population into your idiocy.
  264. LUCIEN ALEXANDRE MARION from Gatineau. QC., Canada writes: With Great Respect towards our Leaders representing the People of Canada constituencies in the Houses of Commons of our Parliament. If permitted to be published, I feel that the decision expressed by their votes concerning the proposed budget that will be officially diclosed by Mister Harper as our Prime Minister is one of the most crucial concerning the future of our Noble country and may Wisdom be their guidance and prevails in their in their decision reflected by their vote in our Democraty. Alia jacta est. Merci-Thank You
  265. Luke Ellis from Sudbury, Canada writes: This goof has to go. Tax cuts mean nothing to low income earners because they are hardly taxed! To give an example from previous con tax cuts: I was earning about 1200 bucks a month and Harper put his tax cuts that won him the election in place. The end result of those tax cuts for a low income earner was $32.00 a month. Now I don't think $32.00 a month is going to save any of these low income earners. Sure if you make more you save more but if you make more money you ALREADY HAVE MORE MONEY. All tax cuts will accomplish will be further debt. Hey maybe if they keep spending us into oblivion we'll be like the US and China will own us in the form of treasury bills.
  266. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Alberta and Sask. have already made reference to their actions if a coalition did thake palce and I believe BC would follow. That would only leave Man. to decide what it will do. Yukon and NWT would likely follow the West's actions.
  267. Cheap Skate from Vancouver, Canada writes: Spending our money from Canada writes:
    I still haven't heard what Mike and his pals Jack and Gil are carrying up the Hill to make things any different than what's in the bucket that being filled Harper.

    Lots of talk, no plan.

    ------------------------------------------

    Unlike Steve, who didn't have one until Mike, Jack, and Gil told him how to told him where to find some vinegar and brown paper.
  268. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sorry Flanders...didn't know she was you wife. Don't you have a business to run. Or is it that if it fails for you not minding the store you will blame it on the policies if the Conservative Gov't?
  269. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Michael S from Toronto, Canada,
    You may be right when you say I am giving Obama too much credit. A lot of what he says is rhetoric designed to give hope to the US. Time will tell if it is more than that. As for Ignatieff, I just am not impressed with what I have read by him. A human rights professor and an expert on Iraq supporting the Iraq war and even writing in the NY Times to justify his support. His conclusions, while very well written, essentially lined up with George Bush.
  270. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Cheap Skate from Vancouver, Canada writes: Spending our money from Canada writes:
    I still haven't heard what Mike and his pals Jack and Gil are carrying up the Hill to make things any different than what's in the bucket that being filled Harper.

    Lots of talk, no plan.

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    Unlike Steve, who didn't have one until Mike, Jack, and Gil told him how to told him where to find some vinegar and brown paper.
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    Cheap skate, very good point. But isn't that how a minority government should work. Not happy it went to the threat of a coalition but that was dion's fault. He never stood up to Harper so harper didn't feel he had to back down. The coalition woke him up big time.
  271. Stan L from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada,
    Looks like the UK Guardian also misinterpreted his work as did most human rights experts. He acted as an apologist for the US empire and for George Bush. That puts it all in context. I realize that he is the leader of the Liberal party but that doesn't mean you have to accept him without being critical. Again, this is the very thing that you and others accuse the CPC of doing. I would like to see one single Liberal supporter who actually questions their leaders views on anything. Just one.
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    sorry p......you are doing a bit of selective reading, the arguements about his purported support for torture are ones made on the premise that he supported 'torture by proxy' in his approval of the Iraq war.... he was only an apologist for himself, when he admonished himself publically about his opinions.....not to worry there is plenty to tackle Igantieff on, I am just surprised that you havent' seen the legitimate issues yet.....I have....but dam*ed if I am going to share them...LOL
  272. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada

    Alberta and Sask. have already made reference to their actions if a coalition did thake palce and I believe BC would follow. That would only leave Man. to decide what it will do. Yukon and NWT would likely follow the West's actions.

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    After 8 years of right-wing George W ideology bringing our planet to near economic ruin, where are you and your friends who think they speak for all westerners going to go to find people of similar ideology? Mars may be your best option.
  273. Roop Misir from Toronto, Canada writes: Let's hope the patient can recuperate as quickly as the billions in life support are infused via multiple strategic points!
  274. little bowpeep from Propaganda 101, 102 and 103, Canada writes: Economic deniers, their were no surpluses its all taxpayer money, people deserve tax giveaway (the rich), there is no problem, we will never run deficits, we will run surpluses for the next 2 years, its the worst I've ever seen, we are going to run huge deficits, its the Liberals and the NDP's fault. Its time for a Conservative majority?
  275. DJ Vick from Canada writes: The coalition is dead and now only exists in the minds of Layton and Duceppe, and yes the budget will pass.
    There is no way that Ignatieff wants to become Prime Minister through the back door, that is as an unelected leader of his party who would become an unelected leader of Canada who just happened to spend 30 years living outside of Canada. He may pay lip service to the coalition but thats all it is. Fact is, he was never truly onside with the idea which is why he had one foot in and one foot out. It is also evident in his body language and speech.
    His problem now is how to get the manure off the one foot that was in.
    If Bob Rae had become leader of the Libs, things would be different since there can be no doubt that Rae and Layton were in bed together, with Duceppe coming up behind (no pun intended) for you know what.
    Rae is not a happy camper and Ignatieff had better watch his back.
    Of course Ignatieff has to go through the usual comments and posturing that any opposition leader would, however the pickings will be slim for a reason to bring down the government.
  276. Rt. Revd. Malachy Egan from Halifax, Canada writes: PMO calling Pete's Sake! We have an opening for a sexist, mean-spirited, dyed-in-the-wool tory in the propaganda department under Herr Docktor Goebbels.

    Your assignment if you chose to accept it is to make your hero Harper look like a caring, compassionate Canadian.

    Oooops: mission impossible!
  277. Great White North from Canada writes: Open Letter to the leader of the opposition.

    For the sake of Canada and Canadians, for the Sake of Unity, for the sake of respect of all those that work to make Canada better, for the sake of bringing Peace among Canadians from East to West, for the sake of the Future of Canada (Our Children) for the Sake of the Unemployed, for the sake of the handicap, for the sake of the Peacekeepers.
    For the sake of the truth to be know

    BRING DOWN THIS GOVERNMENT

    Let’s begin the Healing process
  278. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sorry Flanders...didn't know she was you wife. Don't you have a business to run. Or is it that if it fails for you not minding the store you will blame it on the policies if the Conservative Gov't?

    Wow. You really don't have any kind of filter in your mind do you? Sort of amoral. You spout of ridiculous economic theories, insult anyone who does not agree with you and generally insult people who are capable of any kind of critical thought. Why such anger little man?
  279. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes:

    'Western Canada would definately benefit from a coalition Gov't take over. All the money would saty in the West. The east can eat cars and Quebec can eat frogs. '
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    Are you sure you're not an Albertan?

    We usually hear that kind of hate from Albertans.

    Vancouverites tend to be more mellow, but I guess you're the exception to the rule.

    We'll eat our cars and frogs and you can keep all the money, as long as you keep your Olympic debt there also.

    You're going to need every penny you can get.
    .
  280. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: wally rabbit...........you sound like vern..........are you vern?? or his evil twin?
  281. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Obviously Percy From NL hasn't spent much, if any ,time in the West.
    As for me born and raised there,,, know a lot of how the people of the West have felt for many years after the neglect of past Liberal gov't. It would not take much to step toward separation.
    The big fear of the Quebec referendum was that if it passed then Alberta would be the next to leave. Unfortunately it didn't pass.
  282. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada,
    Well looks like we disagree on who's reading selectively. I think you're seeing what you want to see so that you can ease your conscience in supporting him. Looks like the fact that his opinions might stand in the way of his bid for the leadership of the Liberals might have had some influence on his decision to apologize after the fact. Apparently it's worked with some of the party faithful.
  283. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: Patrick........where do you think the rich Albertans retire to?.........BC....duh
  284. Greg Out West from Canada writes: The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes:

    Are you sure you're not an Albertan?

    We usually hear that kind of hate from Albertans.

    Vancouverites tend to be more mellow, but I guess you're the exception to the rule.

    We'll eat our cars and frogs and you can keep all the money, as long as you keep your Olympic debt there also.

    You're going to need every penny you can get.
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    I'd just like to say you hear hate from a lot of individuals from all over the country. Sad but true. It's not Albertans it's individuals. When people lump everyone together you just breed more hate. I'm an Albertan and I don't hate people from other parts of Canada and I'm sure I'm just one of the majority of Albertans who feel the same. And that's all I have to say about that.

    Cheers
  285. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: wally rabbit...........you sound like vern..........are you vern?? or his evil twin?

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    These imbeciles seem to imagine that every third participant is Vern. He must haunt their nightmares or something.
  286. evelyn robinson from Canada writes: Shawn Bull from Canada writes: A government that pledges to work with the other parties for the bettermant of Canada. That is what the opposition has asked for. That is what Canadians have asked for. Now the Conservatives have delivered in speech and must follow up with actions. Based on what I have heard about the budget it appears that the Conservatives are working better with the other parties.

    Canada is very fortunate to have the Conservatives running the ship during a global economic slowdown. The tax and spend Liberals are not the sultion...maybe when times get batter but right now we need the Conservatives...which the Canadians agree with and that is why they won the last election.

    you have to be being sarcastic. Nobody can believe the bs you wrote.

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  287. Joshua Gardiner from over here!, Canada writes: i was once very leery of the idea of a coalition. i'm no con, but even still, it seems a bit off to just walk in and take over. but, now that dion's out, and harper's had more time to prove he's basically useless, i'm open to it. he's gotta go. i don't care who you support. he's ridiculous. even if you support the cons, you should be calling for his resignation. get someone else in there, for god's sake. i'd prefer it to be iggy, but what do i know?
  288. al near lake huron . from Canada writes: did somebody say 75 billion to the banks?
    yes, this was done in the fall, on a friday. barely made the news.
  289. Paul Byer from Canada writes: wally rabbit from Zeitgeist, Canada writes: Our Canadian bank government bailout is the same as the USA- Except

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    I see our Liberal backers are already changing their monikers.

    So shallow and so predicatable.
  290. BeerBelly Buddah from Canada writes: re: Throne Speech

    Who would a thunk-it?
    A truly amazing feat for sure.
    Surely this is a world land speed record for the abandonment of one's principles.
    The terse 7 minutes speech was a rare example of how quickly an unprincipled leader can publicly upchuck his entire world view all in one abrupt chunk!

    Well done Harpo!

    Bring on the coalition - at least they will believe what they about helping the most vulnerable.
  291. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes:

    'Alberta and Sask. have already made reference to their actions if a coalition did thake palce and I believe BC would follow. That would only leave Man. to decide what it will do. Yukon and NWT would likely follow the West's actions. '
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    Wow, tough talk.

    You really hate the east don't you?
    There's a certain western type who thrives on and is obsessed by hatred for the east - Toronto, Ottawa, Quebec.

    Funny thing is that easterners generally like westerners.
    When we remember that they're out there.

    Separation built on $40/bbl oil?

    Yeah, right.

    .
  292. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: Percy doesn't seem to know about the Salmon Arm salute either, petes sake i agree 100%
  293. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: wally rabbit...........you sound like vern..........are you vern?? or his evil twin?

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    These imbeciles seem to imagine that every third participant is Vern. He must haunt their nightmares or something.
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    No Vern. It really is just the stupid posts using the identical words that give you away.
  294. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: wally rabbit...........you sound like vern..........are you vern?? or his evil twin?

    Probably his at work moniker
  295. mech eng from calgary, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: I agree....I would much rather my job be safe, I will happily pay my taxes if I know my job is on surer ground.

    ??? Higher taxes make your job safer? You must work for the government. Those of us in the private sector have increased job security when sales are good...not when personal taxes are increased.
  296. Stan L from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada,
    Well looks like we disagree on who's reading selectively. I think you're seeing what you want to see so that you can ease your conscience in supporting him. Looks like the fact that his opinions might stand in the way of his bid for the leadership of the Liberals might have had some influence on his decision to apologize after the fact. Apparently it's worked with some of the party faithful.
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    Really not getting what you are not getting??? igantieff did support Iraq, until he recanted his support, I never heard Harper do any such thing. Also, igantieff has never supported torture....he was commonly linked to supporting torture by virtue of his support of iraq....he has always maintain that someone ...like Khadr, should never be sujected to torture.......Harper, not so much.

    I think there is a big misconception that becuase igantieff crafts opinion ranging and evolving over many many years that it should be taken as his personal poltical view.....
  297. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: did anyone else notice how tightly the GG's legs were squeezed together? I think maybe she had to pee. :)

    Living Fossil from Edmonton, Canada writes: Did anyone else notice Harper's stiff and uncomfortable posture during the reading of the Speech from the Throne?

    :-)
    Don't know about the GG but if I had to guess about Harper I would say that, having failed at Chess he has just been informed that the next games will be horseshoe throwing to be followed by handgranades.

    .
  298. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: no red...........its just that the writting styleof verns multi names is the same every time.........and very bizarre.......and no he doesn't haunt me but i'm sure lots of lib/dips are ashamed he is one of them. personally I find him entertaining......sorta like a trailer park boy
  299. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada

    Aw Pete that's where you are wrong. I have had family living in Alberta for many years. And to be honest I'm not sure what you are whining about. After all it was Paul Martin who was fiscally prudent. Your man Harper has been the record spender since 2006. So what is it you are crying about on that front? Is it that your man turned out to be a fiscal idiot and you're embarassed by that?

    And what about your standard of living in the west. Is it because it's below the national standard? How about your unemployment numbers? Are they worse than other parts of the country?

    So could you please detail your whinings to us all? And could you please make your points applicable to today, not ancient history please.
  300. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: innocent Ghost seems to forget when Ontarioans called Albertans 'Blue-eyed Arabs' because of all the oil. No...the east has not always liked the West, only the money that came from there.
    And no I am not from Alberta and only live in Vancouver but I am Mountain born and raised and do know and remember well how we were all treated from the East. So for my part of the Country to separate from the East and Quebec would be to my pleasure.
  301. Stan L from Canada writes: mech eng from calgary, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: I agree....I would much rather my job be safe, I will happily pay my taxes if I know my job is on surer ground.

    ??? Higher taxes make your job safer? You must work for the government. Those of us in the private sector have increased job security when sales are good...not when personal taxes are increased.
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    Take a breath, read carefully and read my whole post....I didn't say i wanted to pay HIGHER taxes, I said I was fine paying my taxes and that I didn't need a cut. I also said I supported limited corporate tax cuts and cuts for the poor.
  302. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Obviously Percy From NL hasn't spent much, if any ,time in the West.
    As for me born and raised there ... It would not take much to step toward separation.

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    ???

    Don't you mean 'here'?

    Or doesn't 'the west' include Vancouver???

    Or are you not where you say you are???

    Very strange.

    Anyway, regarding 'western' separation, while it might be possible for BC and Manitoba, there is no way for Alberta and Saskatchewan to separate.
  303. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1.
  304. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: ....

    No Vern. It really is just the stupid posts using the identical words that give you away.

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    So many idiots!
  305. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Casual Observer from Canada writes:
    What a bunch of stupid political idiots commenting here all of you. Dont you realize the only thing important is your health. I bet all of you big fat computer jerks have no idea how to stay fit.Go for a walk now. Move. Get you fat a$$es off the chair.
    Go eat your double whopper with cheeze fries and a Coke.Know what that is. 1890 calories 153% of your daily fat and all bad fat 62% of cholesterol, 79% of sodium and 63% of carbs.
    No government will give you the time of day you bunch of fat sick post people when you go to a hospital for a heart attack and stroke. Learn survival skills and how to grow your own food.Get ready for a big change.
    Stupid is as stupid does.
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    Wow. You said a mouth full. I'll have you know I drink only diet coke with my double whopper with cheeze fries. Got to cut back where you can.
  306. Joel Girard from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: It's so funny. When we had such a huge surplus everyone was saying the gov't is taking too much in taxes so the Conservatives gave some of it back to us. Canada did not start this economic crisis nor should it feel the gov't is resposible. It was created by greed and greed destroyed itself. Unfortunately we have to pay for it.
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    OMG. Your English in atrocious. Hurts trying to make sense of rubbish.
  307. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes:

    'Alberta and Sask. have already made reference to their actions if a coalition did thake palce and I believe BC would follow. That would only leave Man. to decide what it will do. Yukon and NWT would likely follow the West's actions. '

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    Pete, my angry friend, you sound very sure of your grasp of how Canadians would react to a coalition.

    Perhaps you haven't seen the most recent Eckos poll which puts support for the coalition at 50% versus the Torys at 43%.

    http://www.ekoselection.com/index.php/2009/01/ekosglobe-mail-survey-january-21-2009/

    Take the time to review the poll numbers.
    Lots of bad news for the conservatives in there.

    You may have to put your secession plans on hold for a little while.
    .
  308. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: ....

    No Vern. It really is just the stupid posts using the identical words that give you away.

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    So many idiots!

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    Not really. Only one with a lot of different names.
  309. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Red Suspenders might want to tell Stellmach and Ward that. They might be surprised.
  310. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: casual ob seems to know all about the fast foods......you should try eating at subway , casual
  311. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1.
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    We're number one, we're number one, we're number one ?????? Oh ya I just remembered. I don't think he liked us to much.
  312. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Joel, you have to learn to read before you can understand.
  313. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Innocent Ghost might also have noticed that the majority for it were from Quebec and Ontario and NOT the West.
  314. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: chickentards.......that sounds like something casual orb might like to bite into
  315. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Yeah, Trudeau thought the West was finger-lickin' good.
  316. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Obviously Percy From NL hasn't spent much, if any ,time in the West.
    As for me born and raised there ... It would not take much to step toward separation.
    Anyway, regarding 'western' separation, while it might be possible for BC and Manitoba, there is no way for Alberta and Saskatchewan to separate.

    Actually you are wrong. but I do not see separation as an option unless the NDP were the ruling party. The Libs under Iggy are not a big stretch from conservatives under Harper unless Iggy was lying to westerners on his little trip out here.
  317. Wilf Kruggel from Canada writes: I find it very confusing when a politician ridicules his opposite but never comes up with an intelligent rebuff. Why even say anything, but to ridicule for the sake of trying to belittle someone, takes no intelligence whatever. Iggy was that after the throne speech. We are at the point of time where rehtoric just does not cut it any more. Action does will but we must all be pulling together! Wilf
  318. Yukon Jack Restoule from Dokis Bay, Canada writes: 'The Throne Speech says the government ... lower-income Canadians, seniors, aboriginal Canadians and others hard-hit by the downturn.' Globe and Mail, today.

    Why do we Anishinabek always get mentioned last! ,and then get forgotten altogether in a matter of days? Man, that eats my goat. I live on a Reserve and it ain't no frigin' picnic here either and it's damn sure gonna get worser before it gets better. 'The 150 year old Wound', that just don't heal.
  319. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: inn ghost why would anyone want to view a poll from jan 21?...........5 days is a long time for Canucks, we could change our minds 5 times my friend..........Besides i just read a poll that says your poll is full of chit :)
  320. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1.

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    Cons always lie. Trudeau gave the finger to a few protesters in one small town, but Conjob whiners would have you believe he toured the whole province flipping everyone off.

    I've even seen some Conliar nutjobs proclaim he gave the finger to the whole 'west'.

    Get over it folks, Trudeau's dead.
  321. North Star from Canada writes: Whenever Harper is in trouble, he turns to fear. Can't believe anything Harper says...a review:

    Oct. 7: I think there are probably some great buying opportunities emerging in the stock market as a consequence of all this panic.

    Asked whether he would unequivocally rule out a deficit under his government: Yes. ... Yesterday I think I was asked one question about whether we would run a deficit and I said, 'No.' That's my answer.

    Oct. 11: The fact of the matter is independent analysts, including the International Monetary Fund, say that Canada is not going to go into recession with the current world environment and its current set of domestic policies. We're the one country that's going to continue to show some growth.

    Nov. 23: The most recent private-sector forecasts suggest the strong possibility of a technical recession the end of this year, the beginning of next.

    I am surprised at this. I am also further surprised, more importantly, by deflationary pressure that we're seeing around the world. This is a worrying development, one of the reasons why it may well be necessary to take unprecedented fiscal stimulus.

    Dec. 15: The truth is, I've never seen such uncertainty in terms of looking forward to the future. .... I'm very worried about the Canadian economy.

    ......

    Harper's legacy will be the largest deficit in Canadian history.
  322. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: chickentards.......that sounds like something casual orb might like to bite into

    Actually they are made from the finest spandex and Iggy wears them under his cape.
  323. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: ...Only one with a lot of different names.

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    I figure all these names who claim Vern is a multiple person are probably all one person yourself.
  324. Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: The Aboriginals around Osoyoos BC have tended to their wounds very well. They have a great Chief and he helps his people a llot and they respect him lot.
  325. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes:

    'Innocent Ghost might also have noticed that the majority for it were from Quebec and Ontario and NOT the West. '
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    Uh, where did you get that info Pete?
    Ekos doesn't supply that detail.
    Just making things up are we?

    Ekos does make this comment about the Tory government:
    'Outside of Quebec and Alberta, the Liberals are strong enough to have recreated a two-horse race. Conservative support is retreating into its traditional demographic bases of seniors, men, Albertans, and middle and lower income voters.'

    Doesn't bode well for the Torys but it may motivate you hardcore western secessionists to act before the window closes completely and BC/SK/MAN move back into the embrace of the Libs and Dips.

    Time to start plotting the Western Confederacy Pete.
    .
  326. Dave MacNeil from Sarnia, Canada writes: Firstly, I am sick to death of listening to people say 'it's all up to Ignatieff'...I thought that it was up to ME, and my fellow voters who decide the fate of our government. Secondly, accusations of Harper having a 'split personality' are baseless...it is our GOVERNMENT that is split, which is depressingly apparent. The ONLY reason our country is about to run a deficit is the pressure forced on the Cons by the other parties threats, due to the minority situation. I am insanely mad that these rebels feel like they can hold voters, taxpayers, hostage, and put in power a government represented by a 'leader' that had ZERO votes, backed by two parties that had marginally more than that. The truth is that if we went with the budget presented in the fall, SANS stimulus, then we wouldn't be running a deficit at all...people would struggle for a while as they pinched their purses, and helped their neighbors - as they have in the past - and the trouble would pass and we would be better off in the long run...NOW though, there is a chance that recovery will be next to impossible, and it will be my children that pay for it...and for what really? There are already TONS of programs out there for people to take advantage of sponsored by the federal government, let alone the ones that are available by local and Provincial organizations... It's so glaringly obvious that the Liberals, NDP and Bloc parties want nothing more than to seize control and throw mud, and it has nothing at all to do with ME, or YOU. Only with being able to put themselves in the drivers seat. NDP and Bloc haven't even SEEN the budget yet and they've already basically voted against it! This coalition is a deal with the devil. Period. And it was born by a Lib. He called an election, and got a minority government, but still more votes than last time. If another one is called, I'm sure that will produce a majority government, but it won't be a Liberal, NDP or Bloc one...you can bank on that.
  327. Alberta Energy Sector Worker AB from Canada writes: Defeat Harper and Move On! After debasing Parliament, expressing contempt for the majority of Canadians who do not support their policies, the Harper Minority Conservatives are now pleading for a second chance. Their repentance is phony. Following the throne speech, initial statements by Michael Ignatieff, Liberal leader and Liberal war horse Ralph Goodale, were remarkable and contemptible showing that they may betray the NDP-Liberal Coalition and prop up a lame duck Conservative Prime Minister. There is no basis for a national consensus under a Conservative Prime Minister. Unity can only be built around progressive economic and social programs. It can never be built on reaction and backwardness. The Harper government needs to be swept aside for reasons that go beyond the budget. The Harper Conservatives are unrepentant far right neo-cons. They are incapable of redemption. Their time is up. Under the Conservatives Canada has declined on all vital benchmarks. Canada has less jobs, less science, less arts, less mass participation in sports, recreation. Fewer youth can go to university and post secondary education. There is more homelessness; more poverty, less optimism and more despair. The Harper Conservative Government is fundamentally a neo-con government of the Thatcher-Reagan-Mulroney-Bush ilk: after all the others have been consigned to the rubbish heap of history, Harper lingers on – now his time has come.
  328. Kevin Desmoulin from TO, Canada writes: May as well say, Harper Government Groans On, Gees I wonder what tomorrow, a budget from a government bankrupted on trust from most Canadians
  329. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada

    Oh for Pete's Sake Pete Sake, will you please drop the talk about a dead man and deal with something which falls within at least the last decade? I'm still waiting for you to respond to my 5:54 PM post.
  330. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: North Star from Canada writes: Whenever Harper is in trouble, he turns to fear. Can't believe anything Harper says...a review:

    So in view of your review are the Libbies going to join the BLOC and NDP tomorrow and vote this budget down? I mean Iggy says he better like it or Harper is toast. what's it gonna be is IGGY a lyin chicken?
  331. Alberta Energy Sector Worker AB from Canada writes: Neo-cons are slaves to the capitalist free market. They are anti-labour. Neo-cons are for privatizing the public health care system and using pension funds for private investment. They are for the militarization of the economy. They are anti-science. They oppose regulation of banks, markets, health, and all forms of industry.

    Neo-cons are against pay equity for women. They oppose the legitimate demands of first nations and aboriginal people’s for the redress of all outstanding land claims and rights. They are against single desk marketing and work to abolish the Wheat Board. Neo-cons oppose universal child care. They oppose universal unemployment insurance for all. They oppose public housing. They believe in punishing the addicted and imprisoning adolescents. They are intolerant of racial minorities, immigrants and attempt to challenge the separation of church and state. They are against the CBC and all public broadcasting. They are contemptuous of creative artists, writers, public sports and recreation for all. They are penny pinching and mean and they should not be in power.
  332. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes
    'I think there is a big misconception that becuase igantieff crafts opinion ranging and evolving over many many years that it should be taken as his personal poltical view'

    Lol! Now you're really stretching. Whose view are we supposed to believe it was? He said that he supported the US invading Iraq. Ignatieff was an apologist for Bush and now, ironically, you've become an apologist for Ignatieff. His views have evolved? Give me a break. The war became unpopular and he decided that he wanted to be Liberal leader. It sounds to me that you are trying to convince yourself here.
  333. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: The Aboriginals around Osoyoos BC have tended to their wounds very well. They have a great Chief and he helps his people a llot and they respect him lot.
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    Has to be one of the hardest working people in a position of power. Wish more people had his work ethic. While a lot of people just want more he went out and earned it. Wow
  334. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Greg Out West from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1.
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    We're number one, we're number one, we're number one ?????? Oh ya I just remembered. I don't think he liked us to much.
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    That's the difference.... one had enough testicular fortitudes to be forthright ..... where now you are asked to read between the lines.
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    :-)
  335. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Here is how Cons show respect for others:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???
  336. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: so its ok with you lieberals that your hero flipped the good citizens of Salmon Arm the bird? It was ok to throw thousands out of work with the so-called national(read east)energy policy? And then that brings us to his protege the great cretin that was entertaining a dictator in Vancouver and made a cruel joke about pepper later after spraying peaceful protestors? If thats the kind of Canada you eastern turds enjoy then I for one would be happy to leave this unholy mairrage and leave you idiots with your fav. La-bell prov.
  337. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Here is how much respect Cons have for women in the political process:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???

  338. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is how Cons behave in public discourse:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???

    .
  339. Joe Canadian from Canada writes: Am a little sick of listening to the crap from all the opposition. Just be quiet & review the budget & then vote on it. That's all you gotta do - but keep the stupid comments out of the press, because in the public's eye's the opposition is not doing themselves any favours, especially in Ontario where it already well known how useless both the liberals & ndp are.
  340. Steve I'm Not an Alberta Redneck from Calgary, Canada writes: Voiceoftheelder lee from Canada writes: 'wonderful. Now I'll take all bets that the money will never be seen in the areas the speech declares.'

    Having the CONs in charge in today's economic environment is like hiring an alcoholic, who has taken the pledge, to manage your liquor store.

    They're 'rice bowl christians' who still believe in the old religion. Their prime objective is still to direct tax cuts to their principal financial backers. Such deficit initiatives will do nothing to stimulate the economy but will allow these speculators to get as much as possible of their gains into tax havens before the markets complete their decline to the proper level.
  341. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is how seriously Cons approach government issues:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???
  342. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: Alberta Energy Sector Worker AB from Canada writes: Neo-cons are slaves to the capitalist

    It's called paranoid delusions and there is help better get there quick before the conservatives dismantle healthcare and you have to pay for it yourself.
  343. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is how Cons deal with differing opinions:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???
  344. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is how seriously Cons approach government issues:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life??? ------
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    No idiot. This is how one individual approaches government issues.
  345. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is the kind of thinking Cons apply to policy matters:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???
  346. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: hey Alberta energy yada yada.............give us a friggen break no one in alberta refers to themselves as ALBERTA ENERGY SECTOR WORKER thats a good laugh you should change your moniker to' I wished I had the guts to leave Toronto and see the real world'
  347. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .

    Dave MacNeil from Sarnia, Canada writes:

    'The truth is that if we went with the budget presented in the fall, SANS stimulus, then we wouldn't be running a deficit at all...'
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    Dead wrong.
    As you'll see tomorrow, of the $30B (approx) deficit, only $15B is new spending. The rest is a true operating deficit which would have been there if there were no stimulus spending.
    Your Harpoon has managed to run the country into deficit before spending dollar #1 on stimulus.

    As a matter of fact the stimulus spending gives him cover for the operating deficit.
    The naive and uncritical won't notice that only half of the deficit is for stimulus.
    .
  348. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is what kind of gentlemen Cons are:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???

    .
  349. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here's the best argument a Con can muster:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???
  350. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here's the kind of people the Cons attract:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???
  351. Alberta Energy Sector Worker AB from Canada writes: Phineas freekinstone: Lived hear all my life buddy...worked on all the major projects...try again jet boy...
  352. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here's the kind of thing Cons contribute to a discussion:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???
  353. Phineas freekinstone from where liberals do not venture, Canada writes: well this a lot of fun .....but its time to play texas hold-em ,good bye to all the names.....looking forward to your new ones after count iggula disappoints you all and votes for the budget .
  354. Greg Out West from Canada writes: The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    'Outside of Quebec and Alberta, the Liberals are strong enough to have recreated a two-horse race. Conservative support is retreating into its traditional demographic bases of seniors, men, Albertans, and middle and lower income voters.'
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    Say what ? Out side of Alberta and Quebec ? The liberals got all of 11 seats west of Ontario. Yes I can see liberal support really scaring all the other parties.
  355. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
  356. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............
  357. tom g from upper ottawa valley, Canada writes: I wait for the actual budget for specifics but in the meantime, I've got to wonder how the $70 billion for banks was accounted in the last budget. I haven't seen huge deficits announced for this year so I suspect that the $70 billion may be treated as an asset rather than debit or possibly an off-budget item. Surely, $70-billion treated as an expenditure in the current budget would make a newsworthy deficit. Such thinking makes me wonder if any announced deficit figure has much credibility.

    While I'm waiting for the budget details, I've got to love the G&M picture that goes with the story. It makes me think of Coleridge's Rime of the ancient mariner'. . . He went like one that hath been stunned, And is of sense forlorn: A sadder and a wiser man, He rose the morrow morn.' Like the Mariner, doomed to wonder the earth for eternity to tell the mariner's story to those who need to hear the tale. The perfect picture of a strong leader with a steady hand on each tiller. Government policy guided by two tillers? We knew it all along.
  358. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1. ========================= Cons always lie. Trudeau gave the finger to a few protesters in one small town, but Conjob whiners would have you believe he toured the whole province flipping everyone off. I've even seen some Conliar nutjobs proclaim he gave the finger to the whole 'west'. Get over it folks, Trudeau's dead. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// But what he left behind isn't, both the views within the Liberal Party and the destruction throughout the land. And Trudeau's begat Chretien who is not far removed. Chretien and his influence and corruption still permeats the air. The Party has never dumped the dead guy's beliefs or arrogance. /////////////// And he gave the finger to all Canadians when he rode his motorcycle through Quebec in the second World war wearing the german helmet. All in protest of Canadians fighting and dying in the fight for the freedom for his mother country France. Professed the holocost was British propaganda. He also gave the finger to Canadians when he got into bed with the leaders of the Free States of Russia, China and Cuba, the most anti civil rights governments in the world. ////////////////////// No my friend. He is not dead in many people's minds who went through the Trudeamaniac era.
  359. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.
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    Sorry but if anyones life is so shallow that they'ed kill themselves just over their political party then there never was much to live for in the first place. WOW, what a stupid comment.
  360. garlick toast from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1.

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    Then you will also remember the citizens throwing rocks at his bus. Try that stuff today and see how fast the pepperspray and guns come out.
  361. Greg Out West from Canada writes: garlick toast from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1.

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    Then you will also remember the citizens throwing rocks at his bus. Try that stuff today and see how fast the pepperspray and guns come out.
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    Get them really scared and get out the tazers.
  362. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: ... But what he left behind isn't, both the views within the Liberal Party and the destruction throughout the land.

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    Phineas, you really ought to try at least to put forth only such positions as you can support. Trudeau's only negative legacy is about half the blame for the national debt and some excessive patronage. He's no saint, but 'destruction throughout the land'? Gimme a break.
  363. Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is how touchy Cons get when their true nature is revealed:

    Greg Out West from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    Here is how seriously Cons approach government issues:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life??? ------
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    No idiot. This is how one individual approaches government issues.
  364. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Greg Out West from Canada writes: garlick toast from Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: I remember when Trudeau showed Salmon Arm and the rest of British Columbia that we were Number 1.
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    Then you will also remember the citizens throwing rocks at his bus. Try that stuff today and see how fast the pepperspray and guns come out.
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    Get them really scared and get out the tazers.
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    Throw them cold cuts.
  365. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Some leader eh .........

    • The Senate. He was adamant he would not resort to the old politics of stacking the upper chamber with party cronies. But faced with the possible defeat of his minority government, Harper moved fast before Christmas to fill 18 vacancies with loyal Conservatives, many failed candidates or with party ties.

    • Fixed election date. In May 2006, Harper proposed fixed election date legislation that would set the next election date in October 2009, to stop political leaders from 'trying to manipulate the calendar.'

    Instead, Harper called an election last September, saying that Parliament had reached an 'impasse.' But he was also hoping to capitalize on his own promising poll numbers and a weak official Opposition before the economy worsened.'

    And now this budget betrayal ........... is that little adoring COns I hear weaping ??
  366. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

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    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  367. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes:

    Here is how Cons show respect for others:

    Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sally Struthers....have you ever had a man in your life???

    Here's the kind of people the Cons attract:

    Here is what kind of gentlemen Cons are:

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

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    With that last comment thanx for illustrating you're exactly as you accuse Cons of being.

    Pious @$$hole.
  368. Kerry H from Ordinary, Canada writes: Norman Petit from Calgary, Canada writes: A conversion from dogmatist to born again pragmatist would be in Prime Minister Harper's best interests as well as all Canadians. As many posters have mentioned on this and other threads, it will take time and empirical observation to convince all but his most fervent supporters, myself included.

    Well said Norman.. Harper has to either make a radical change or he will only succeed in destroying his own party..Personally I don.t think he can do it.. I think it is time that the Conservatives seriously consider replacing Harper..
  369. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    • Supreme Court appointments. In December, Harper appointed Thomas Cromwell of the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal to the Supreme Court, bypassing a parliamentary hearing process he championed to more openly scrutinize nominees.

    • Government appointments. The Prime Minister had promised to implement a public appointments commission to eliminate cronyism in such appointments. It was to be part of the government's much-vaunted Accountability Act. It never happened and, since winning its first minority government in January 2006, the Tory government has made some 1,500 appointments, many based on political pedigree.

    Split personality ??

    No wonder byier is skitzoid ?? Look at these famous stevie flimflamflipflops //////

    Put all the COns in a round room and tell them to stand in the corner .........
  370. A reader from Ministry of Laughing at the Dead, writes: My only regret is that the Prime Minister didn't divert more money away from consumer protection. Canada's corporations need to be freer of petty concerns like human health.
  371. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: If one just read the G&M comments one would conclude that the Liberals are the party of choice and the CPC the devil incarnate. And yet in the last election the CPC received considerably more support than the Liberals who hit an alltime low. The party is largely a party of the GTA. Maybe Liberal supporters should start asking why their party cannot connect with voters rather than focusing so much on gaining power through a coalition. Why won't people donate to or vote for the Liberal party. Any thoughts?
  372. peter clarke from Toronto, Canada writes: How many times does it have to be said before the message is clear.

    Infrastructure spending is not production of capital, nor does it produce goods or services that will have any long term effect on the economy.

    Our Banks were not formed to lend money, but rather for the protection of money their depositors make. We have the real result from banks that have been aggressively lending depositors hard earned savings without sold regulations with a true banking reserve system in place. Regulations for banks should clearly stipulate that at any given time, their lending abilities should not exceed 50% of the total amount of dollars on deposit by their customers.

    What is urgently needed and has been for the past 75 years, is for governments to live within the amounts of revenues earned annually and not borrow or spend any more than the annual revenues they receive and collect through taxes each year.
  373. sally stink from edmonton, Canada writes: today, as i listened to the throne speech and watched prime
    minister harper during the 'throne lite' speech his body language
    looked like a man who was resigned to his fate...his tie looked
    very 'habitie'.
    i did not view the body language of jack layton and michael
    ignatieff.......although during the remarks made by layton following the speech he looked like a batam rooster...but michael ignatieff
    sounded kingly....except whe he used the plebian words against
    harper that were directed to we ordinary folk.
    frankly i do hope that harper and ignatieff are manly enough
    to put aside both of their ambitions and just work to get canadians
    through this global financial mess the world is in.
    as for layton...remember he had the coalition planned even before
    the last election...the economic update just the trigger he was
    looking for......the man is so blinded by his political ambitions
    that canadians should just ignore him....and everyone leftie
    just go back to the liberal party of canada because the NDP
    is being very weird.
  374. Dave MacNeil from Sarnia, Canada writes: Tomorrow, I will watch the news, and feel completely helpless in respect to the direction the government of my country goes, no matter what happens (dont misunderstand me...there's a lack of direction because the captain wants to go one way, and the first mate is argueing with him. What is being forgotten here is that the Captain is there on MY (the voters) commission...not his first mates).

    I wonder who is really behind these divide and conquer tactics anyway...but it really doesn't matter now does it?

    The truth is, after reading these posts and watching them degenerate further and further into the cesspool of immorality and lack of (un)common sense, I realize that WE HAVE THE GOVERNMENT WE VOTED FOR AS A COLLECTIVE PEOPLE. The lack of harmony, lack of respect, lack of forethought for the future, lack of patriotism and the mindless way people fall into either this category or that, with narry an original thought for themselves, shows me I better just sit back and let the chips fall where they may, and prepare for the worst myself because anyone who has Canada's best interests at heart is obviously too hard at work trying to fix it...everyone else, it seems, is here. Adios!
  375. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:

    The poor little COns must be heartbroken seeing their dear leader crawling up to the liberals this way ..... thru the mud ........

    Sorry for this and sorry for that ................

    Will this do it Mr Iggy ????

    Willit willit ??/////
  376. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    • Supreme Court appointments. In December, Harper appointed Thomas Cromwell of the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal to the Supreme Court, bypassing a parliamentary hearing process he championed to more openly scrutinize nominees

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    He doesn't titter tatter but does get at er Vern me boy.

    He promised reform of the Senate and he is doing it, albeit the hard way around due to the resistance of the opposition.

    And the Supreme Court that has been stacked for decades by the Liberals of those who spent their lives freeing criminals needs a very big overhaul so that we have at least half of our Supreme Court believing in society's and victim's rights.

    Sounds fair to me.
  377. garlick toast from Canada writes: It wasn't that long ago that the P.C. party was down to two seats, Jean Charest's and Elsie Wayne's.

    Norman Petit, Harper's dogma ate his karma.
  378. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes
    Liberal party is largely a party of the GTA.
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    How many seats did Harper carry in Vancouver??
    not in Vancouver proper.....that would equate to GTA where CPC also won seats.
    Cheers
  379. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Memo to bloggerboys:

    From stevie

    When you are adoring me in the G&M don't slobber too much.

    Most people think that's C R E E P Y ........
  380. Mac the Knife from Canada writes: Coalition gets what it asks for. Still not happy. Let's face it ... Layton is still in denial over the last election results. He actually believed he would become the next Prime Minister. His current plan is to ride into a coalition government on the Liberals' coattails, have Ignatieff and Duceppe assassinated, then accept the golden sceptre of leadership in Canada. Then he'll ignore the economy, the war in Afghanistan, etc., and instead spend the next year renaming every lake, river, park, playground and mountain in Canada after himself, as well as every ship in the Canadian Navy. He'll have his own image imprinted on the Loonie, the Toonie and the Canadian $5, $10, $20, $50 and $100 bills. He'll attempt to pass legislation that every man in Canada must grow an impeccable little grey moustache or be jailed in penitentiaries across Canada, all bearing the name 'Jack Layton Federal Pentitentiary.' Well, that's what my crystal ball shows, anyway.... I found it in a dumpster behind NDP national headquarters. It has Jack Layton's name scratched on the bottom.
  381. Maurice Nulens from Port Moody, Canada writes: There at least three issues that the Gov should suffer a non confidence vote on:

    1) the budget
    2) the loss of confidence in out PM ... he does not have the confidence of the opposition and over 50% of the people ( recent polls)
    3) the Omar Khadr file. He fails to stand-up for Citizens.
  382. Percy from NL from Canada writes: garlick toast from Canada wrote:

    'Harper's dogma ate his karma'

    ******************

    Definitely the quote of 2009 so far!
  383. Paul Byer from Canada writes: sally stink from edmonton, Canada writes: today, as i listened to the throne speech and watched prime minister harper during the 'throne lite' speech his body language looked like a man who was resigned to his fate...his tie looked very 'habitie'. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Since you are from Edmonton, did you watch Iggy being interviewed (well sort of). Great intellectual response. He was asked in a one on one interview if he was angry because Harper hasn't asked him for support. He replied ' I am beyond angry' but didn't elaborate further although the interviewer was waiting for him to continue. Lost for words apparently. Not the first time. Either gets lost for words or talks in circles. Iggytosis. End of interview. You are left asking yourself 'What is he talking about?' That is the problem with Iggy. He doesn't know himself. During the worst economic crisis in Canada's modern history, he was M.I.A. on the taxpayers dime, writing a book on his family history. That is his priority and my guess is that he will return to his real passion before long. He really isn't in to this leadership thing. Regardless he will be supporting Harper once again. Number 44. Iggy=MOOT......not of substance or practibility.....purely Academic.
  384. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Mac the Knife from Canada writes:
    He'll attempt to pass legislation that every man in Canada must grow an impeccable little grey moustache or be jailed in penitentiaries across Canada, all bearing the name 'Jack Layton Federal Pentitentiary.' Well, that's what my crystal ball shows, anyway....
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    So the choice is between Harper's proven incompetence and your crystal ball??

    :-)
  385. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:

    Some leader eh .........

    And now this budget betrayal ........... is that little adoring COns I hear weaping ??

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

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    I seem to remember a Liberal leader saying 'no coalition with the NDP' and 'no deficit'...

    Some leader eh......

    You'd think the little adoring LIbs would be weeping...

    The poor little LIbs here must be seething with Stephane's and possibly Iggy's betrayal ......

    But instead it's bend over for more....
  386. J M M from Canada writes: Canadian are so stupid to want a coalition party ruled by Duceppe , they deserve to have their wallets picked clean. Thats exactly what will happen with the stealing Liberals, nit-wit NDPer and Duceppe who will hold court every day demanding more money -more money. Ignatieff with his boney finger in the air says Harper has a split persoality, if thats the best he can say--a pity. The opposition to date have not helped Canadians by suggesting any remedies re: economy, Mc Callum beats his gums and thats it. Layton babbles on as usual, Duceppe sits back rubbing his greedy little hands.
  387. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Maurice Nulens from Port Moody, Canada writes: 'There at least three issues that the Gov should suffer a non confidence vote on:

    1) the budget
    2) the loss of confidence in out PM ... he does not have the confidence of the opposition and over 50% of the people ( recent polls)
    3) the Omar Khadr file. He fails to stand-up for Citizens. '

    And yet, more people still support the CPC than any of the other parties. Why is that? An Ipsos poll today shows that 44% view the CPC as best to manage the economy and only 31% choose the Liberals. Why is that? With all of the faults of the CPC it still seems that they are supported by more people than any of the other parties. I know it's probably an unpopular question to ask and off topic from the Harper bashing, but why do you think the Liberals are so unpopular?
  388. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes:
    I know it's probably an unpopular question to ask and off topic from the Harper bashing, but why do you think the Liberals are so unpopular?
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    Where .... in Vancouver???
    How many seats did harper carry in Vancouver????
    ... and not Vancouver proper.... that would be like the GTA where all parties won seats.
  389. Maurice Nulens from Port Moody, Canada writes: p lailey -- - ask tomorrow or friday ...we'll see what the polls say then.

    Harper has so viscerally affected people negatively with his smirky dumb grin, that I and a increasing majority will be happy when he is gone.

    Even his own party is ready the long knives ready ...
  390. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah !

    Well, I guess that I may entirely alone in my opinion that the GG is more hot looking than anorexic looking...

    I must be out of touch with all of these whacky Canadian political parties ....

    Back to the Sports threads for me...

    Slainte Mhath Chugat
  391. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: Maurice Nulens from Port Moody, Canada writes: There at least three issues that the Gov should suffer a non confidence vote on:

    1) the budget
    2) the loss of confidence in out PM ... he does not have the confidence of the opposition and over 50% of the people ( recent polls)
    3) the Omar Khadr file. He fails to stand-up for Citizens.

    But who in the HoC has the guts to do it? Not the Liberals so it is a no go. They were going to do pretty much the same thing as Harper anyway and so they won't vote against it. Layton will but he is irrelevant his vote is squat without the Libs. So the Libbies can continue to scream, whine and gnash their teeth for a while yet.
  392. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    hey stevie thanks for the coalition budget ///////...........

    We'll just make a few improvements and bobby'z yer uncle ........

    Thanks eh .,............. thanks again,............. many thanks,,,,,,,, thanks a million .......... thanks alot ...... hey stevie thanks for everything ..........
    just sign here stevie and everyuthing weill be alright ........ thanks eh .......
  393. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Maurice Nulens from Port Moody, Canada writes: 'p lailey -- - ask tomorrow or friday ...we'll see what the polls say then.'

    Yes, but surely the last election should have seen a majority for the Liberal party, given all the apparent faults of Mr. Harper. Didn't the Liberals only get something like 23% support and wasn't that a modern day low for the party. It just seems to me that maybe there is a bit of a disconnect between some of these comments and the views of Canadians. Otherwise, why would the coalition be so anxious to avoid an election. Shouldn't they welcome one so that they can cruise to an easy majority against Harper.
  394. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    I guess stevie doesn't want the vote form left handed cabbies driving beige Volvos in Doldoe Nfld part time on holidays.

    Why you ask ?? Because they are the only ones whos a$$ didin't get kissed ..........
  395. J M M from Canada writes: Maurice N--How do you know Harper's party have their knives out. Are you being paid by the Liberals to spead such crap ? ( never mind--Liberals don't tell the truth)
  396. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes:
    But who in the HoC has the guts to do it?
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    You may well be correct.

    The second most percentage of Canadians would prefer 2 strong/viable center oriented parties.... anything else is a dictatorship.

    Unfortunately the highest percentage of voters prefers none of them.... they don't bother to vote...... till things get personally bad.
    Cheers
  397. john 'trillium boy' smith from Canada writes: @ p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes:

    And yet, more people still support the CPC than any of the other parties. Why is that? An Ipsos poll today shows that 44% view the CPC as best to manage the economy and only 31% choose the Liberals. Why is that? With all of the faults of the CPC it still seems that they are supported by more people than any of the other parties. I know it's probably an unpopular question to ask and off topic from the Harper bashing, but why do you think the Liberals are so unpopular?
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    but maybe if this poll is accurate, it just reflects poor state our nation is in.
    in times of economical crisis, and they knew for over a year that it is coming, I would expect more moderation from our leaders, especially government. Instead we have ontario bashing, bull-terrier, confrontational tactics. this is a last chance to find a consensuss before we go to another election or an coalition.
    It seems to me at the moment that Harper tries to do that in his own way. he is less confrontational at the moment.
    I wish more posters could see that. because this is what we need now.
  398. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: peter clarke from Toronto, Canada writes: How many times does it have to be said before the message is clear.

    Infrastructure spending is not production of capital, nor does it produce goods or services that will have any long term effect on the economy.
    Go back a few weeks and every liberal poster screamed for infastructure spending along with their illustrious leaders, screamed for Accelerating existing infrastructure funding and substantial new investments, including municipal and inter-provincial projects (such as
    - transit, clean energy, water, corridors and gateways and manufacturing, forestry and automotive
  399. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    'Tom Flanagan, a former Harper campaign organizer and strategist, said Harper has transformed from a conservative ideologue to a political survivor, but remains a victim of his own dark side. '

    'The force steviepukewalker. Use the force .......... '

    'Never mind the ugly princess. Just tell us where she is and embrace the dark side of the force ............ '
  400. Paul Byer from Canada writes: R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah !

    Well, I guess that I may entirely alone in my opinion that the GG is more hot looking than anorexic looking...

    ..............................................................................................................

    Nah. I agree and I think that was going through Steve's mind as he sat there with a smile.

    Either that or he was thinking about Wednesday and the 'coup de grace' when Iggy votes yet again for him.

    There will be a lot of smiles. Apparently from the majority of Canadians who, according to the polls, want the government they elected.

    However by the look of this thread, there may be the odd frown as well.

    I notice a lot of the normal Liberal supporters are M.I.A. in anticipation of their failure to forcast the unfolding events. Had a dream about some nightmare coalition, it appears.

    Come Wednesday, many will be changing their monikers. Some have already, I notice.
  401. Steve French from Windsor (Flint, North), Canada writes: Speech from the Throne? What the frig is that?
    Who do these pompous windbags think they are, anyway? Here's a speech from my anus...
  402. Rod Smelser from Maple Ridge, BC, Canada writes: charles ANTHONY from Canada writes: Tax cuts to the middle class. No tax for the poor! Screw you coalition.

    charles, ... can you possibly tell me what this is about, if anything? I don't recall hearing either the Liberals or the NDP demanding tax cuts, either for the middle income or lower income groups. The reason is that when the main objective is stimulus, spending in generally more effective that tax reductions.
  403. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    stevie learned his lessons well ...........

    'Iceland's government collapses '
  404. reason passion from Canada writes: Conservative supporters can, in their usual and tiresome way, try to divert attention away from their man Stephen Harper in the coming days. But they know, as do an increasing majority of Canadians, that regardless of how the Ignatieff Liberals vote Wednesday, the hyper-partisan Harper Conservatives have already sealed their own fate. It took them a month to go from predicting a surplus to committing to $64 billion in deficit spending. The entire country witnessed this, and the majority of voters now consider the Harper Conservatives unworthy of their trust. Whether the day after tomorrow or in six months time, the Conservative time in power is running out faster than you can say 'technical recession'.
  405. Rod Smelser from Maple Ridge, BC, Canada writes: Dave MacNeil from Sarnia, Canada writes:
    'It's so glaringly obvious that the Liberals, NDP and Bloc parties want nothing more than to seize control and throw mud, and it has nothing at all to do with ME, or YOU. Only with being able to put themselves in the drivers seat. '

    Dave, do you seriously believe, especially given their 180 degree policy reversals since the November economic update, that the objectives of Primer Minister Harper and his Conservative Party could possibly be anything other than retaining power?
  406. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    'In these uncertain times, when the world is threatened by a struggling economy, it is imperative that we work together, that we stand beside one another and that we strive for greater solidarity.'

    AHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH !!!!!

    Today the PR ........

    Tomorrow .......... the other PR....................

    Wednesday ...........more PR

    Wait for the details tomorow. It will be literally impossible for anyone to access all these new funds.

    stevie is issuing more PR about it first of the week ...........

    AHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH !!!!

    Our partners must come up with 2/3's of the new infrastructure money ...............

    AHAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH !!!

    sure stevie - sure .................... but will Flin Flon get it's new sidewalks ??
  407. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    'stevie learned his lessons well ...........

    'Iceland's government collapses ' '

    Oops! Bad example. That was a coalition government!
  408. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  409. Western Bear from Canada writes: When Mr. Ignatieff signs on to Mr. Harpers' budget. (After putting up a fuss). He will. I hope many of his supporters will take a small portion of the new tax breaks, and send that money to the Liberal Party. They seem to be in need, of your financial support, folks.
  410. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:

    “Old assumptions must be tested and old decisions must be re-thought,”

    Woooooooowwwwwwwww !!

    couldda fooled us stevie ...........

    When'z the pudding ??
  411. Gerry Ritz from Tainted Meat? Now that's funny!, writes: Canadians are so precious about what they put in the big fat gobs.
  412. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  413. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  414. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  415. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  416. Wilma Guywin from Allover Canada, Canada writes: Iceland's Prime Minister, Geir H. Haarde, announced today the resignation of the coalition government of the Independence Party and the Social Democratic Alliance.

    sounds Like the BLOC and NDP.
  417. Gerry 'Cold Cuts' Ritz from Your granny died? HAHAHAHAHA!, writes: We need less government. Why are people so fussy anyway? Food poisoning isn't so bad -- just think of bacteria as extra protien.

    Anyone wanna sandwich?
  418. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  419. Gerry 'Cold Cuts' Ritz from Love that Listeria hahahaha!, writes: I only wish you people could see how pathetic you are.

    'Boo hoo my tummy hurts!'

    'Wah! I'm losing time from work!'

    'Oh, I feel sick.'

    Get over it! Look on the bright side! At least less tax money was wasted on food inspections.
  420. North Star from Canada writes: Sending signals their countries....

    Obama speeches on the economy: hopeful

    Harper speeches on the economy: fear
  421. Kevin Bender from Calgary, Canada writes: Please do not tell me that the people of this country are now turning towards a coalition government. There is absolutely no way that this country could function with a government like that. Lets say that hypothetically the coalition came in to power, how long do you expect the NDP, Bloc, and the Liberals to agree with each other?

    It is absurd that the people of this country would even consider bringing in a system that mimicks communism. I say for now Harper is the best that we have to choose from, and I may seem like some dumb Albertan but if all of a sudden the coalition came in to power, every one of you would be saying the same thing that I am saying now.
  422. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.


    Phineas, Paul Byer, whoever you are, I'm just me. Why don't you grow up and try to discuss the issues? No, wait, for you rotten Cons that idea is a sure loser.
  423. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    hey stevie thanks for the coalition budget ///////...........

    We'll just make a few improvements and bobby'z yer uncle ........

    Thanks eh .,............. thanks again,............. many thanks,,,,,,,, thanks a million .......... thanks alot ...... hey stevie thanks for everything ..........
    just sign here stevie and everyuthing weill be alright ........ thanks eh .......
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    The question has now changed, from .....Who's azz is Harper ki$$ing. to How many azzes is Harper kiss1ng ??????
  424. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    '...a new $250-million economic development agency for southern Ontario from the Prime Minister who campaigned for the elimination all corporate subsidies and industrial development schemes in the 2004 election. '

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.........

    What's this for ?? In the province recently voted by the COns as the last place to invest ??

    Isn't the new rubber ideology great ??

    That stevie fella sure is flexible eh ........ wonderful what a little coalition can do eh ......
  425. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    Phineas, Paul Byer, whoever you are, I'm just me. Why don't you grow up and try to discuss the issues? No, wait, for you rotten Cons that idea is a sure loser.

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Yes Vern. You post both RED SUSPENDERS AND VERN MCPHERSON posts and say

    I'M JUST ME.

    Sort of like saying I'm not schizo and neither am I isn't it Vern?

    Oh My!
  426. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Kevin Bender from Calgary, Canada writes: Please do not tell me that the people of this country are now turning towards a coalition government. There is absolutely no way that this country could function with a government like that. Lets say that hypothetically the coalition came in to power, how long do you expect the NDP, Bloc, and the Liberals to agree with each other?
    It is absurd that the people of this country would even consider bringing in a system that mimicks communism. I say for now Harper is the best that we have to choose from, and I may seem like some dumb Albertan but if all of a sudden the coalition came in to power, every one of you would be saying the same thing that I am saying now.
    Posted 26/01/09 at 8:06 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

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    I wouldn't say you were a dumb Albertan.

    I'd say you were creepy stevie worshipper.........
  427. North Star from Canada writes: Harper, in his interview with Bob Fife on CTV today, said he didn't want an election because Obama was making an historic visit - a photo op. is more important than anything else for Steve.

    Harper cannot be trusted.
  428. Casual Observer from Canada writes:
    BRAIN DEAD STY CHIRPS IN
    HAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAH
  429. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: North Star from Canada writes: 'Harper, in his interview with Bob Fife on CTV today, said he didn't want an election because Obama was making an historic visit - a photo op. is more important than anything else for Steve.'

    That's good. Harepr doesn't want an election because of the Obama visit and the coalition partners don't want an election because people won't vote for them. Sounds like good news all around.
  430. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  431. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    stevie wants his Obama pic op for the mantle at the Fraser River Instit.

    So he'll do anything to keep his jobby until Barak comes a visitin.......

    stevie will even rubberize his principles and play libbie.......

    Well he just dropped his trunks didn't he ??
  432. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    ================================

    I wouldn't say you were a dumb Albertan.

    I'd say you were creepy stevie worshipper.........

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Oh Vern. Now here comes the transition into Mike STY.

    I would take your meds quickly. He is the worst of your altos.
  433. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Kevin Bender from Calgary, Canada writes:
    I say for now Harper is the best that we have to choose from,
    -32,000,000 alternatives

    and I may seem like some dumb Albertan
    -Thanks for requesting my opinion.

    but if all of a sudden the coalition came in to power, every one of you would be saying the same thing that I am saying now.
    - Thanks for patronizing us..... but I'l wait for a smart Albertan's point of view...
    :-)
  434. Casual Observer from Canada writes:
    NORTH STAR ANOTHER BRAIN DEAD STY MCPHERSON MO RON
  435. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  436. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    A guy goes into a COns Principle store in Alberta.

    Can I help you says the clerk.

    Yes, aaaa . ..... what have you got in COns principles. I have a coupon from the convention.

    Sorry sir we're all out.

    W H A T !!!!!!!
  437. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  438. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: So the rotten Cons have given up trying to defend their useless leader and switched tactics to sh!t-storming the board in order to prevent other participants from having a civilized discourse.

    Once again, the tactics of the brownshirts is their fallback.

    The sooner our polity can sweep the sickening influence of rightwing extremists from our system the better.
  439. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    A guy goes into a COns Principle store in Alberta.

    Can I help you says the clerk.

    Yes, aaaa . ..... what have you got in COns principles. I have a coupon from the convention.

    Sorry sir we're all out.

    W H A T !!!!!!!

    '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

    You have me stumped on that one Vern.

    Diane Marie?
  440. Casual Observer from Canada writes:
    MCPFERSON IS A FRAUD-SEE RED SUSPENDERS AND STY NORTHSTAR
    HAHAHHAAHAHHAAAHAHAAAAH
  441. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Stephen Harper threatened that Canada would be unrecognizable by the time he's done wrecking it. This may be the one promise the POS keeps.
  442. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: So the rotten Cons have given up trying to defend their useless leader
    ..............................................................................................................

    Actually we are bored. Iggy has taken over our job for us.
  443. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Oh I have one principle left says the clerk.....

    Yea says the customer what's that ??

    Says right here ' I will never resign ..but it ain't worth much.'

    No that one isn't worth much ......

    Too bad the COns sold completely out eh .......

    Yea too bad ... so will you have a popcicle ?? We'll pay the GST ???
  444. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: 'Stephen Harper threatened that Canada would be unrecognizable by the time he's done'

    He was right, it's better than it was.

    ==============================

    HA! In what conceivable way???
  445. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    .
    Posted 26/01/09 at 6:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Who needs liberal party with this COns crew.

    The poor little COns here must be seething with stevie's betrayal ......

    What's betrayal really feel like ............

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  446. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    A guy goes into a COns Principle store in Alberta.

    Can I help you says the clerk.

    Yes, aaaa . ..... what have you got in COns principles. I have a coupon from the convention.

    Sorry sir we're all out.

    W H A T !!!!!!!

    '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
    You have me stumped on that one Vern.

    Diane Marie?
    ------
    Diane would Marie would have said that Cons were out of scruples instead..... she would have never thought 144 people would lose all their principles over 12 votes..... Diane Marie of course is an optimist.
    :-)
  447. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Casual Observer from Canada writes:
    MCPFERSON IS A FRAUD-SEE RED SUSPENDERS AND STY NORTHSTAR
    HAHAHHAAHAHHAAAHAHAAAAH

    ========================

    One of the 'wonderful' things about Cons is their willingness to be seen as total imbeciles.
  448. Derek live..... from the center of the universe from Canada writes: Canada is better off than any other G-7 country statiscally...you libs and dippers can wave you arms and feign indignation in the end statistics are on the side of the conservatives prudent government over the last 3 years has made our country the envy of the G-7 ...choke on it ...
  449. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: 'Stephen Harper threatened that Canada would be unrecognizable by the time he's done'

    He was right, it's better than it was. Now if we can just unite and get through this worldwide recession we will be fine.
  450. June from BC from Canada writes: The best form of government is a dictator with the fear of assasination....I think that is where Harper sits today and we may see the 'good government' we hoped would be acheived...but co operation from the Liberals? doesn't sound they are interested just the same old 'opposition' for 'opposition sake'. Please...give us your great plans? From a massive Carbon Tax to fund huge social programs to yammering for a 30 billion stimulus package, to threats of bringing the government down over 50 times now...please, put up or shut up. We can live with anything but the smug superiority complex of Iggy and the gratuitous, self serving want-a-be somebody Layton.....What a joke this country is. Don't go on that any of this isn't partisan crap as usual........
  451. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:
    Non Partisans cooperation .... that is a doozer. That will remove Layton voice completely. I will believe it when I see it.

    Has anyone got some Imp-o-Vern??
  452. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: 'Stephen Harper threatened that Canada would be unrecognizable by the time he's done'

    He was right, it's better than it was.

    ==============================

    HA! In what conceivable way???
  453. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Casual Observer from Canada writes:

    One of the 'wonderful' things about Cons is their willingness to be seen as total imbeciles.

    So the rotten Cons have given up trying to defend their useless leader and switched tactics to sh!t-storming the board in order to prevent other participants from having a civilized discourse.

    ----------------------------------------

    ...and you think a comment like the one below is a sign of civilized discourse and a sign of someone who's not an imebcile?

    'If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.'

    Like I said earlier - to be expected from a pious, holier-than-though @$$hole.
  454. Percy from NL from Canada writes: So you think the Harper Conservatives have turned over a new leaf hey?

    Today John Baird was caught in an interview with Don Newman on CBC. He said that municipal leaders did not indicate to him that the idea of an equal three way split on these infrastructure projects would be a problem for them because of their cash-strapped budgets. Now, do you dedicated Harper supporters believe that lie as well?

    Mr. Harper is going to give you a tax cut on one hand, and require the municipalities increase your taxes on the other in order for your community to qualify for the infrastructure funds.

    So, what are we going to spend our Harper tax-cut money on to stimulate the economy? Apparently paying our increased municipal taxes ... brilliant stuff! Really fiscally sound (sarcasm, in case some Harper supporters didn't get it).
  455. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:

    Derek live..... from the center of the universe from Canada writes: Canada is better off than any other G-7 country statiscally...you libs and dippers can wave you arms and feign indignation in the end statistics are on the side of the conservatives prudent government over the last 3 years has made our country the envy of the G-7 ...choke on it ...
    Posted 26/01/09 at 8:37 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

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    OOps ..... I feel more COns CREEPYS coming on .............
  456. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: ...

    ...and you think a comment like the one below is a sign of civilized discourse and a sign of someone who's not an imebcile?

    'If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.'

    ====================

    Yes, I do. You should consider that option.
  457. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  458. Casual Observer from Canada writes:
    MCFERSON IS A FRAUD.CARE TO COMMENT JOKER?
  459. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Percy from NL from Canada writes: So you think the Harper Conservatives have turned over a new leaf hey?

    Today John Baird was caught in an interview with Don Newman on CBC. He said that municipal leaders did not indicate to him that the idea of an equal three way split on these infrastructure projects would be a problem for them because of their cash-strapped budgets. Now, do you dedicated Harper supporters believe that lie as well?
    Mr. Harper is going to give you a tax cut on one hand, and require the municipalities increase your taxes on the other in order for your community to qualify for the infrastructure funds.

    ============================

    It's called 'DOWNLOADING ' Percy.

    It's an old Mike Harris trick ......... the tax cut guy LOL !!!!
  460. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Hey stevie Mike Duffy called.

    He wants to know if he has to sit in one of those narrow chairs ??

    Or can he pay more and have a couch brought in ??
  461. Barclay Logan from Mike Duffy (Country, actually), Canada writes: Well, I got here kind of late, and what started out with some reasonably coherent comments on the state of the nation, the inevitable slide into ideology was predictably swift. I don't get 'ideology' or 'partisan politics.' I guess it's not contagious. Ideology, by my definition, is unwavering support for one party, forever. How many posters here have voted for the same party in every election in which they've voted? In Canada, that's a bad sign -- The Conservative Party, in its various incarnations, and The Liberal Party often have little to offer that's significantly different, so why not look a little more closely at what they've each got before voting? The NDP sure isn't the CFC; but they do have (for some reason, this label is abhorrent to many) socialism in their platforms, and, in recent history (particularly in Ontario; Bob Rae's dodgy fiscal manoeuvres here, back in the 90's, set them back big-time, although he should have gotten a second chance, in my view ... the NDP pissing off the unions? Good for them -- it doesn't take much to piss off unions, particularly civil service unions). Quebec's self-declared separatist parties have been a cause for concern only when the smug and possibly comatose Jean Chretien 'rolled the dice,' or 'tossed the javelin,'or 'put it in the microwave, but cover it.' (I figured cliches were cliches early on. Stopped using them. Couldn't communicate with anyone for months, so jumped back in. Now I'm always forgetting the right tright rejoinder, and just finish them myself). So, ideologues don't really read the 'Comments' here, unless its a like-thinking ideologue's post. Reinforced, they skim for ammo to belittle a few of these other ideologues, who post a few less-than-polite zingers ... and then everyone is so indisputedly RIGHT in their view, one might ask why are we posting here at all? Who really looks them over, thinks 'Hmmm. Hadn't thought of that. Interesting.'? NEXT: How not to be a windbag!
  462. Barclay Logan from Mike Duffy (Country, actually), Canada writes: Well, I got here kind of late, and what started out with some reasonably coherent comments on the state of the nation, the inevitable slide into ideology was predictably swift. I don't get 'ideology' or 'partisan politics.' I guess it's not contagious. Ideology, by my definition, is unwavering support for one party, forever. How many posters here have voted for the same party in every election in which they've voted? In Canada, that's a bad sign -- The Conservative Party, in its various incarnations, and The Liberal Party often have little to offer that's significantly different, so why not look a little more closely at what they've each got before voting? The NDP sure isn't the CFC; but they do have (for some reason, this label is abhorrent to many) socialism in their platforms, and, in recent history (particularly in Ontario; Bob Rae's dodgy fiscal manoeuvres here, back in the 90's, set them back big-time, although he should have gotten a second chance, in my view ... the NDP pissing off the unions? Good for them -- it doesn't take much to piss off unions, particularly civil service unions). Quebec's self-declared separatist parties have been a cause for concern only when the smug and possibly comatose Jean Chretien 'rolled the dice,' or 'tossed the javelin,'or 'put it in the microwave, but cover it.' (I figured cliches were cliches early on. Stopped using them. Couldn't communicate with anyone for months, so jumped back in. Now I'm always forgetting the right tright rejoinder, and just finish them myself). So, ideologues don't really read the 'Comments' here, unless its a like-thinking ideologue's post. Reinforced, they skim for ammo to belittle a few of these other ideologues, who post a few less-than-polite zingers ... and then everyone is so indisputedly RIGHT in their view, one might ask why are we posting here at all? Who really looks them over, thinks 'Hmmm. Hadn't thought of that. Interesting.'? NEXT: How not to be a windbag!
  463. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Is it just me ??? or has anyone else noticed Harpers beginning to look alot like Mike Duffy ???? well...
  464. Mimi Williams from Edmonton, Canada writes: Harper has never been an economist. He poorly performed in school and got an MA with a major in economics but he has never been paid to be an economist. I`m fairly sick of hearing that.

    Anyway, I do hope this government is done. done. done.

    Vern, sometimes you are not helping. Other times, very much.
  465. garlick toast from Canada writes: There are already billions in infrastructure money untouched because the municipal ''partners'' are tapped out. In the end, there is only one tax payer and three or four levels of government to support.Nova Scotia municipal assessments will go up 10% this year, despite falling real estate prices. Infrastructure spending has a real potential to increase inflation.
  466. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada wrote:

    'It's called 'DOWNLOADING ' Percy.'

    ****************

    Yeah, and I guess it could also be considered a very bold version of a political shell game using the taxpayers as the balls. And of course the lie itself on not being told about the municipalities being unable to meet their one third can be called 'being a Harper Conservative'.
  467. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    Hey stevie Mike Duffy called.

    He wants to know if he has to sit in one of those narrow chairs ??

    Or can he pay more and have a couch brought in ??
    Posted 26/01/09 at 8:54 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Is it just me ??? or has anyone else noticed Harpers beginning to look alot like Mike Duffy ???? well...
    Posted 26/01/09 at 8:58 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

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    Now I have to save these two posts.

    If there was ever any doubt.

    Vern, I see the transition is complete. I warned you and tried to get you to take your pills but you wouldn't listen.

    I always know when you are getting to the STY takeover. It is a crescendo to meanness and then the total transition.

    How many keyboards does it take to do the three at one time? Would get confusing with just one. At least for most people here.

    Goodnight SYBIL
  468. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: ... pious, holier-than-thou @$$hole and a pathetic Liberal sheep troll...

    GFY lowlife.

    ============================

    You sir, are a perfect representative of the CPC: hypocritical, foul-mouthed and whiny.

  469. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes: 'Vern McPherson from Canada wrote:

    'It's called 'DOWNLOADING ' Percy.'

    **************

    Yeah, and I guess it could also be considered a very bold version of a political shell game using the taxpayers as the balls. And of course the lie itself on not being told about the municipalities being unable to meet their one third can be called 'being a Harper Conservative'

    Did you guys sleep through the downloading years of Chretien/Martin? Or do you like downloading as long as it's done by the Red Team.
  470. garlick toast from Canada writes: Jason, you didn't do your side proud.Try a little humour.
  471. Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Is it just me ??? or has anyone else noticed Harpers beginning to look alot like Mike Duffy ???? well...
    ============
    The whole cabinet is looking kind of poorly. Bloated, manky, and stunned -- like the inmates of a bawdy house waking up on Sunday morning.
    -----
    Actually I thought He is looking more and more like Mike Harris.... call it the Flaherty effect.
  472. Percy from NL from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada wrote:

    'Did you guys sleep through the downloading years of Chretien/Martin? Or do you like downloading as long as it's done by the Red Team.'

    *******************

    When last I checked the Martin government was voted out by Canadians in 2006. Oh, wait, I see your point; you're saying we should vote the Harper government out in the next election. Damn you are smart after all.
  473. diane marie from Canada writes: Once again, at the time that the Chretien/Martin 'downloading' took place, the federal government was carrying more debt as a percentage of GDP than, on average, the provinces were. This is still the case. In fact, one of the supporting documents to the 2006 Budget shows that federal and provincial debt/GDP declined in tandem, which means that both federal and provincial governments decreased spending from the record levels we saw during the Trudeau and Mulroney years.
  474. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: If I were Michael Ignatieff, I wouldn't be too flattered. From you, he took a few phrases. From Howard, he lifted an entire speech.

    I bet he can go on Mastermind to face the quizzmasters concerning the collective wisdom of Homer Simpson, to continue the series.

    You know, that means I'm smarter than Michael Ignatieff because the PM hasn't plagarised me at all, ever . . . leastways that I know.
  475. w b from Canada writes: I TAKE OFFENCE FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A SPLIT PERSONALITY...
    !!!!!!
  476. w b from Canada writes: I DO NOT TAKE OFFENCE TO THE COMMENT ABOUT SPLIT PERSONALITY!
  477. sheila ross from Vancouver, Canada writes: Red Suspenders: 'Dangly nuggets'?? darnright poetic if I don't think too hard about it.
    Harper can't be trusted. It doesn't matter what he said today. When its all said and done, we still come back to this insurmountable fact.
  478. Vern McPherson from Canada writes:
    harper actually used Iggy's sentences in the throne speech. ...

    ZOWIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ....

    Next thingy we know the COns war room will be sending out fundraisers for the lib party .........
  479. Cesar Hechler from Costa Mesa, CA, United States writes: 'Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.'

    I'm reading the commentary here and it's like it was still an election cycle. There's very little pragmatism here and a whole lot of partisanship. I don't think it would have mattered what the current conservative government did, the whole of the left-field would have insisted that Harper's spray-on haircut was an affront to Canadians who have hair that moved and insist on his dismissal. These are the same batch of people that re-elected a Liberal government while some of the worst scandals in Canadian history under Chretien were being investigated. When partisanship wins out over pragmatism the whole country loses.

    And scroll back and read what your fellow Canadians are writing. Do you need another Hitler to remind you that you are committed to the freedoms your country provides as a unified whole? Seriously suggesting that the West should separate or Quebec should move on because one group of politicians is under attack from another group of politicians during a GLOBAL economic crisis is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Causing a crisis in parliament during such a crisis and demanding the country go into the red by the more leftist side of the political spectrum runs a bit counter to what someone holding a bag of money in the same economic environment would do, but the government was forced to do so and there's still all this rhetoric.

    The current government has acquiesced and MORE of YOUR money will now be spent to keep one of the better performing economies afloat. Why the continued grousing? Are we becoming slaves to political propaganda like our brethren south of the 49th? (I'm a snowbird from Canada). I hope not...it leads to senseless waste.
  480. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Casual Observer from Canada writes:
    STYTARD MCMUCKSON MAKES ME WANT TO VOTE LIBTARD
    NOT.
    YOU ARE VOTED MOST STUPID LIBTARD

    ==============

    Oh lordy lord! How can anyone stand against such cutting wit?
  481. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Do all the people on here who favour raising the GST back to 7% favour an offsetting cut in income taxes? 'Cause I can't fathom a $12 billion tax hike in this economy as being a good thing. Not one of the coalition members has come out in favour of reversing the GST cuts. I would be infavour of reversing the GST cut if we used the cash to hike all the income tax thresholds by 50% but i can't see that happening under any government.

    Watching Iggy's myriad interviews tonight, I expect this budget will pass. he is sounding pretty concilliatory.
  482. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: ... pious, holier-than-thou @$$hole and a pathetic Liberal sheep troll...

    GFY lowlife.

    ============================

    You sir, are a perfect representative of the CPC: hypocritical, foul-mouthed and whiny.

    --------------------------------------------------

    ...and draw your attention to your own comments and those along the line of Sty and Vern...

    ...as for myself - normally far from it - I'm just gonna give it back to those who are exactly as they accuse me and others of being...an dif you're going to give it out you had better damn well be prepared to take it.

    If you can't get the hell out of the ring.
  483. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada,
    When was Mike Harris voted out then.
  484. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Is it just me ??? or has anyone else noticed Harpers beginning to look alot like Mike Duffy ???? well...
    ============
    The whole cabinet is looking kind of poorly. Bloated, manky, and stunned -- like the inmates of a bawdy house waking up on Sunday morning.
    -----
    Actually I thought He is looking more and more like Mike Harris.... call it the Flaherty effect
    -------------------

    Maybe they can all get together for a photo-op for save the whale magazine.
  485. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: garlick toast from Canada writes:

    Jason, you didn't do your side proud.Try a little humour.

    --------------------------------------

    Apologies to you garlick - and good evening to a fellow Maritimer - but I'm not going to be accused or labeled by someone who thinks they are not all that when in fact they are....
  486. Casual Observer from Canada writes: Paul Byer from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from I hope it's not always true that people get the government they deserve, writes: .

    If I was a member of the CPC, I'd kill myself out of shame.

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    So Predictable Vern. As soon as we catch you at it, you post at the same time with you alter egos.

    You've done that a dozen times now when cornered.

    Doesn't fool anyone. Time to bring out Sty now and Wally. Those are the other two alter egos that blend together so well.

    More personalities than SYBIL.
  487. P Martin from St. John's, Canada writes: It matters little what Harper says, you can not trust one word. I hope the coalition takes him down.
  488. Flander Jones from Canada writes: GLOBAL JOB CUTS
    Caterpillar - 20,000
    ING - 7,000
    Philips - 6,000
    Corus - 3,500
    Home Depot - 7,000
    Pfizer/Wyeth - 20,000
    Texas Instruments - 3,400
    Sprint Nextel - 8,000
    General Motors - 2,000

    That was just today's carnage.

    So you left and right ideologues keep up with the he said/she saids. You present such eloquent arguments for both sides.
  489. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Is there a true fiscally conservative Conservative out there that supports Stephen Harper's fiscal policies since 2006, and now into the next two years? I'd like to hear their logic. Canadians would like to hear their logic. It seems all of the Conservative think-tanks are raging mad at Harper for placing his self-preservation over Conservative ideology. One guy appeared on CBC and called on Conservatives to stop making donations to the party.

    How just is that? Conservatives themselves have become victims of Stephen Harper's self-centred ruthlessness.
  490. Tor Hill Sask. from Canada writes: Canadians didn't want a confrontational attitude from the Conservatives in the first place. Yes, it must be very difficult to usurp the Natural Ruling Party and to take that title for oneself. But sadly, apart from the static performance of CPC in the past three years in its supposed work on behalf of Canadians, we saw a great deal of that confrontational attitude from CPC.Was all that really part of its supposed work on behalf of Canadians? What with all the confrontation, we haven't moved an inch forward in any good direction.
  491. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: ... If you can't get the hell out of the ring.

    ========================

    Don't worry ... CPC catamites don't scare me.
  492. diane marie from Canada writes: I may be an optimist, but it disappoints me to see supposed fiscal conservatives try to raise their man in the eyes of Canadians by suggesting that Mr. Martin did not accomplish a great deal in reversing the trend of deficit governments. How can anyone think such would have been possible without sending some of the bad news down the line to provinces? The entire country was awash in debt and addicted to deficit spending. Mr. Martin established a new standard for evaluating governments, which is that they should not set itself up for deficit spending by increasing spending during good times. On that measure alone, the Harperites have demonstrated how to do bad government.
  493. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: I've said this before but while we can debate the merits of tax cuts (I would say they should be minimal right now) but overall, this deficit spending can largely be financed while keeping the debt to GDP ratio at aboout 30% of GDP over 5 years. This will place Canada far and away as the best fiscally positioned country in the G7 at the end of this meltdown. In many respects this is a fiscal dividend and can help address the infrastructure deficit (surpluses are of dubious value if we are starving key areas of the public sector). If we have some major new public capital assets then in fact we will probably grow faster in the years ahead (and then it will at least partly pay for itself).
  494. diane marie from Canada writes: ...set themselves up...
  495. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes: 'Is there a true fiscally conservative Conservative out there that supports Stephen Harper's fiscal policies since 2006, and now into the next two years?'

    Is there a socially liberal Liberal out there who supports Ignatieff's positions on invading Iraq, US imperialism and trorture? I'd like to hear their logic.
  496. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Let's go back to first prinicples:

    1) No-one who breaks the law should lead the country.

    2) No-one who cheats in elections deserves votes.

    3) No-one who tries to bribe MPs should be a minister of the crown.

    4) No-one who undermines health and safety procedures should be entrusted to protect us.

    5) No-one who lies in your face should be trusted.

    Anyone want to speak out against these principles?
  497. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    Geez, I didn't get a word in on this thread.

    I believe I'll consider that an honour.
  498. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes:

    If you can't get the hell out of the ring.
    ------------------

    ring ????? G & M comments...........Jay ..didn't your mommy or daddy tell you......dude ..don't take the brown acid, the brown acid is CRAP
  499. DON BARTA from Canada writes: -

    - Lot's of BS and Bafflegab on here today - The bottom line is that the Chickensit Liberals will pass the Budget no matter what it contains - They know that Canadians will NEVER support that Three Stooge Coalition and the Liberal Party is broke and can not afford an election now.
    - You can spin it any way you want , but Harper will still be the Prime Minister......

    ~
  500. Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes: 'Is there a true fiscally conservative Conservative out there that supports Stephen Harper's fiscal policies since 2006, and now into the next two years?'

    Is there a socially liberal Liberal out there who supports Ignatieff's positions on invading Iraq, US imperialism and trorture? I'd like to hear their logic.

    =========================

    Ignatieff is against torture.

    If only Cons could win an election once in a while without lying, do you thing you'd try?

  501. Lane Myers from Canada writes: Poor old Jack gets hardly a mention anywhere these days.

    He is still hoping that the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc will vote against the budget and defeat the government. It must be frustrating to have come so close to the levers of power and only to see himself and his party about to be flung into oblivion as the Coalition collapses.
  502. Flander Jones from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes: 'Is there a true fiscally conservative Conservative out there that supports Stephen Harper's fiscal policies since 2006, and now into the next two years?'

    Is there a socially liberal Liberal out there who supports Ignatieff's positions on invading Iraq, US imperialism and trorture? I'd like to hear their logic.

    What is it about your various ideologies you all find so attractive? To constantly have to usurp your personal morality or overrule your rational thought process in order to force it into a preconceived box must give you people awful headaches. You know, when you get rid of than nasty, cramped, archaic notion that there is only the left or the right you would be amazed at the possibilities. But of course, you have to learn to play nice with others first.
  503. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada

    So your point is that, because of work largely done by Paul Martin, which allowed for the absorption of Harper's overspending, Canada is still in good shape?
  504. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: diane marie - I think Harper got hit by an extraordinary case of bad timing. After 10 years of belt tightening, Harper gave some money back to the provinces (to help them restore health and social spending) and some money to the people (tax cuts) - in total it was maybe about 1.5% of GDP, a fair enough fiscal dividend and would have kept the budget balanced had we not had this meltdown. I'm not totally defending Harper but his actions were not totally reckless when you consider that 3 CPC budgets paid down $37 billion in debt as well. People can't criticize the Nov economic stmt and then criticize this budget for deficit spending. I also think that had the Liberals remained in power, it is highly unrealistic to believe they wouldn't have cut taxes and increased spending too (they started doing this around 2004 when they too had a minority).
  505. Robert M from Canada writes: The text of the Throne Speech can be found at:
    http://www.sft-ddt.gc.ca/grfx/docs/sft-ddt-2009_e.pdf

    How can we take the Harper government seriously when they come up with this:
    - 'It is imperative that we work together' After Mr. Harper's conduct in the HoC, who can believe that he means this?
    - 'Our government listened to Canadians'. The Harper government is too weak and desperate to listen, after all the mistakes Mr. Harper made in 2008.
    - The government consulted widely 'in fact, with everyone whose input might help chart a course through the present storm'. Who believes this?
    - 'our Government has developed a clear and focused plan'. In just four weeks. Really?
  506. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: - but I'm not going to be accused or labeled by someone who thinks they are not all that when in fact they are...
    -------------------

    Bad acid trip again tonight eh Jay ??????

    Gotta stop takin that brown CRAPer stuff Harper gives you
  507. mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Let's go back to first prinicples:

    1) No-one who breaks the law should lead the country.

    2) No-one who cheats in elections deserves votes.

    3) No-one who tries to bribe MPs should be a minister of the crown.

    4) No-one who undermines health and safety procedures should be entrusted to protect us.

    5) No-one who lies in your face should be trusted.

    Anyone want to speak out against these principles?
    --------------------------

    Nope

    CONs = Liars
  508. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Heritage Minister James Moore said Mr. Harper and his government are sincere in their desire to make the minority Parliament function.

    “We want this budget to pass, because it has strong and important investments in infrastructure, in tax policy for Canadians, in my portfolios for arts and culture for Canadian communities,” he said.

    (from the article)

    >>>>> While I am not a big fan of the NDP or Mr. Layton, he has a very good point: *How can Canadians or the opposition parties trust the government to deliver on policies and actions that is does not believe it?!

    That is like suddenly trusting your teenager will not speed when he/she drives your car -- when you have already observed their going 20km/hr over the limit.

    You just KNOW that when he/she gets behind the wheel again WITHOUT DIRECT SUPERVISOR that peddle is creeping to the metal...

    Cheers.
  509. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - see my post to diane above - it is highly unlikely that a Liberal minority the last three years could have maintained their fiscal record. Canada in 2006 had a structural fiscal surplus of about 2% of GDP - that this could have been hoarded on the bet that we might have had an unprecendent economic meltdown is sort of dreaming in technicolor. Most of the new spending went to provincial health and social spending - was this wrong? Are you opposed to all the hospital being built and the docs and nurses being hired? Fiscal policy is about trade offs and i find it a bit rich seeing all Harper haters on here trumpeting fiscall austerity.
  510. garlick toast from Canada writes: Ah sh!t. We are all so screwed and the parties have lost sight of that fact in their narrowly focused gamesmanship. Good night and good luck, we'll need it.
  511. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: ps. and I am generally fairly non-partisan (i.e., not knee-jerk negative toward the CPC like some posters here).
  512. diane marie from Canada writes: p lailey conveniently forgets that when there was the thought that detainees were being tortured in Afghanistan, the government denied this to the House and stonewalled on an investigation. Mr. MacKay thought that Canada should not get too picky with the Afghanistan government lest it think that Canada did not trust it.
  513. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: (that should read 'in' not 'it')

    *How can Canadians or the opposition parties trust the government to deliver on policies and actions that is does not believe in?!
  514. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Red Suspenders - I don't recall Harper stuffing ballot boxes but maybe I missed that. I would say that no one who gives the provinces a bunch more cash for health and social spending should be accused of mean-spiritedness. Can't have it both ways, the way the left is trying to here.
  515. T J from Canada writes: Harper's government is Bi-polar and will probably will fall soon enough from the injuries sustained by the latest crisis of Harper's creation.
  516. Percy from NL from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada

    Wow you Conservatives just love avoiding today and staying in the past. That wouldn't have anything to do with the fact you are the government of today would it?

    I will say that we all certainly know what Harper's 'current' (meaning today's) fiscal position is. So let's not divert from the present, even if it clearly embarasses you.
  517. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - so you are saying that no government (certainly not the Liberals) has ever benefited by policy decisions of their precursors? Interesting. Ever taken a history course? More to the point - did you read any of my posts above? What exactly are you refuting?
  518. Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada writes: 'Ignatieff amused to hear echoes of his own statements' Well i guess when we fall into the pit of debt we can thank the coalition then. This coming debt was unnecessary. The Lib's will wear it around their necks as the country dives into the abyss.
  519. diane marie from 2, Canada writes: I would like to reconsider my previous comments.

    I have begrudgingly come to realize that Prime Minister Harper and his team are da' bomb - I mean they have shown some genuine class through collaboration with the other parties.

    they are now really listening and engaging in the fine are of compromise.

    minority government at its best!
  520. diane marie from Canada writes: systemic risk:-- I fault Mr. Harper for his incredibly stupid GST cuts, and I fault him for his littering of the tax regime with stupid, vote-buying credits (hockey equipment, child-care help for people earning $150,000, etc.). Considering how long the expansion had been taking place, one might have thought that he'd exercise some caution. Furthermore, comparing Mr. Harper's governance with an imaginary one is a rather lame means of advancing an argument, in my opinion.
  521. Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: Folks this round is over and Harper won yet again. Ignatieff still leaving his options open but he has all but climbed into bed with the government and his key advisors pretty much said the thought of having Jack Layton in cabinet made most Liberals sick. The prorogue was brilliant, Dion caught the brunt of the coalition nonsense and Layton has returned to irrelevance. The rush to get Ignatieff in position has ruffled party feathers.

    No question Harper made a major mistake and yet the chessmaster is going to continue as PM and who knows when the Liberals will get another shot at him. He is the smartest politician in the commons which is what drives the opposition parties crazy and keeps him in power.

    To all the massively partisan posters against Harper, you might want to stifle some of your comments because it isn't going to be pretty on Wednesday when you see Ignatieff crawl into bed with Harper. Bring your microwaves as crow is much better served piping hot.
  522. Paul Byer from Canada writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Red Suspenders from The Big Chair, writes: Let's go back to first prinicples:

    1) No-one who breaks the law should lead the country.

    2) No-one who cheats in elections deserves votes.

    3) No-one who tries to bribe MPs should be a minister of the crown.

    4) No-one who undermines health and safety procedures should be entrusted to protect us.

    5) No-one who lies in your face should be trusted.

    Anyone want to speak out against these principles?
    --------------------------

    Nope

    CONs = Liars

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Now you are talking to yourself Vern and Vern and Vern.

    But you can still only have one vote. Sorry.
  523. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: The problem too here is that the Libs have 'blood' on their hands - they voted for the last 3 CPC budgets when they had more seats and the CPC was a weaker minority. I don't recall them going to the barricades stating that the economy would implode in late 2008. Who's guilty of revisionist history here?
  524. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: The LPC are trying to fool Canadians into believeing they are united and thus the GG should give them power. Iggy jumps the gun and proclaims he is ready to lead. After 3 years as an MP and only a month as appointed leader of his own party. What precedent that would set. Lets run over the glue that holds them together: Ignatieff supports Afghanistan Jack and Gilles support Taliban talks and an imediate pullout Iggy wants tax cuts Jack wants tax increases while Gilles wants more money for Quebec Iggy wants sound fiscal restraint closer to the middle of the spectrum Jack wants to drag us to a more socialist bent on the left Gilles wants only what Quebec wants. Iggy wants tax breaks for corporations and business. Jack wants to cut all tax breaks to business and corporations. Gilles wants only what Quebec wants. Iggy is awed and supports the Oilsands projects Jack wants to shut down this greatest of environmental disasters. Gilles has no comment as money from the wets flows to equalization for his Have Not Province. Am I getting anywhere with this coalition cooperation and ideological nightmare of divergent policy differences. How can Iggy go to the GG and say he has the support of 2 parties of such divergent views as these 3 do and claim to be ready to lead. All 3 parties combined have almost all of thier base in only two thirds of the country.
  525. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada

    I was giving you some credit and then you switched from your brief non-partisan factual argument to a totally unfounded partisan hypothetical. That's too bad. but it does clear things up for me.

    I do not like Stephen Harper and is cold and sadistic demeanor. He is not good for the CPC and he is not good for the country, in my opinion. He has proven himself to be fiscally incompetent and very self-serving. And now even right-wing think-tanks are raging against at him.
  526. bill bocher from Canada writes: give me a break..Lifting Ignatieffs catch phrases? Like he is the only one saying these things??? Come on, they are so general, that to avoid saying any of the words that Ignatieff has said in the past month would leave nothing to say at all. That is the whole idea of him saying what he said, because he knows that is enevitably going to be reiterated during the budget... And are the liberals trying to paint themselves as angels in the commons? They are so hypocritical when the tables are turned against them. They are one and the same when it comes to tactics in the house. They would do the exact same thing if given the chance but would not face the same degree of scrutiny. Just look at the libs tactics the last session, they were doing everything in their power to be spiteful and unproductive, blocking everything they could in the senate and starting 'inquiries' into anything they could make sound like there was a scandal when there wasn't one. Yet the Conservatives are somehow portrayed as the only party playing political games. So are we to believe that the libs, ndp and bloq are now reborn as some sort of party that are just going to play nice from now on? No more partisan games? Hahahaha. The coalition is not going to happen anyways, it would be political suicide for the libs to be caught in bed with the likes of Layton and the separtists. They would seal their loss in the next election well before it is even called.
  527. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ...ah, back in the blue sweater mode.....sorry Stevie, you can purchase almost anything with 64 billion however you can't buy back your credibility, you and your finance minister have consistently misled Canadians over the economy and that will be the undoing of you and your gang......
  528. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: diane marie - the little tax credits Harper brought in were politics - I grant you this, but they cost next to nothing. MOST of the cash went to provinces for health and social spending. And no, i don't think suggesting the Libs would have done the same is too outlandish (though they probably would have cut income taxes instead of the GST - to largely the same effect). Is it also wrong to note that Martin's visionary fiscal response was at a time of majority governments and no effective opposition? Is that fair to say? Chretien was a partisan bulldog too - but he was just luckier with timing.
  529. Percy from NL from Canada writes: I would just love for Rick Mercer to take a 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Harper' comedy show on a cross-country tour. It would be priceless. Likely not as warped as the reality but still it would be good.
  530. diane marie from Canada writes: Systemic Risk:-- Oh, now you're getting desperate. As I recall, Mr. Flanagan said that Mr. Harper ought to govern as if he had a majority, given the weakness of the Liberals. I guess that means that good governance was only to be had if a strong opposition were there to make sure of it. While the cat's away, etc.
  531. Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: Robert don't sweat it. The coalition is over. Insiders are already indicating good chance Liberals will support Harper. Some are already talking down Layton which will keep future Coalition ideas sidelined. Idiocy thwarted. Harper wins.
  532. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes: Harpo's 'softer tone': New roof on an old house. Get rid of the reptile and his band of thugs!!
  533. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: Folks this round is over and Harper won yet again. ...Bring your microwaves as crow is much better served piping hot

    >>>> Bob, contrary to the believe of some CPC die-hards,

    - this is NOT a sport (as per your 'this round is over' reference)
    - this is NOT a game
    - this is NOT about saving face or building one's esteem (as per your 'served crow' comment)

    IT IS ABOUT OUR COUNTRY THOSE WHO LIVE HERE.

    If there was ever a time for ADULT POLITICAL LEADERSHIP, this is it.

    Cheers.

    PS. Sadly, PM Harper is an pimple-faced adolescent wrapped in a 40-something year hold body...



  534. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes: Robert don't sweat it. The coalition is over. Insiders are already indicating good chance Liberals will support Harper. Some are already talking down Layton which will keep future Coalition ideas sidelined. Idiocy thwarted. Harper wins.

    When do Canadians 'win' Bob? Because in all honesty, I don't give a rat's butt about Mr. Harper winning. He has his retirement fund all arranged. I want to know when will Canadians get a government more interested in national affairs than it is about 'winning'.
  535. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Oops, am I seeing my recommended Harper Conservative talking points pop up again. I released them three weeks ago now ahead of the CPC website. They were:

    - Obama made us do it
    - Ignatieff made us do it
    - the premiers made us do it

    I thought they fitted perfectly with the Harper Conservative ideology on accepting responsibility. I'll be darned if I never nailed those points. I must be psychic or something.
  536. Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada writes: There would of been no need for this budget if it wern't for the oppostion 3 who should have just sucked it up at took one for the country by saying 'NO' to the $1.95 per vote subsidy, now all Canadians must pay because the incompetant 3 can't even run a profitable political party without a hand out. We must all swing from the rafters so the coalition can keep their precious subsidy.
  537. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - I think 'sadistic' is a bit much, really. As I have tried to say, politics are a lot about timing and luck. I just see that Harper is being held to a viscious double standard here and I don't see anyone acknowledging that 1/3 of the bedt that was paid off was done by...Harper. No he won't go down as our most visionary PM, but to read the accusations in these posts and the hermeneutic gymastics inherent in them, I shake my head. Canada is still so dramatically better positioned in this recession that reading about how he 'destroyed' the country's finances is tough to stomach by someone who has voted both LPC and PC/CPC - I'm not partisan, just vaguely objective.
  538. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: pps. 'Bob Dylan', your namesake would be an NDP supporter...
  539. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Bob Dylan's Voice from Canada writes:Idiocy thwarted. Harper wins.

    Does he not also win for staying in the game the longest and working the problem through. . He cobbled together a new budget in a matter of weeks and is not fanning out to sell it. As well his ministers are now stepping up and asuming thier proper role. The LPC/NDP/Bloc will have a lot of work to do as they have a united CPC front bench to deal with. This will prove to be an exciting session full of fire, taunts, surprises and may the best one win. I see Harper pulling a page out of the Liberals playbook and using thier ideas as his own. At least we will have a clear choice in the next election. The CPC or the failed coalition. Dion gone. Jack failure (we expect that) and Gilles with nothing to show for his troubles. Perhaps he will swing back to the CPC for more goodies from the federal trough
  540. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: diane marie - really? So the 38% majorities that the Libs had had no impact on their policy making? What is it they say about those who forget history...sorry, I digress. I guess your stating that holding any previous government to the standards your holding this one to doesnt resonate with me. But bring back Chretien's one-party state and we can all go back to sleep.
  541. Flander Jones from Canada writes: Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada writes: There would of been no need for this budget if it wern't for the oppostion 3 who should have just sucked it up at took one for the country by saying 'NO' to the $1.95 per vote subsidy, now all Canadians must pay because the incompetant 3 can't even run a profitable political party without a hand out. We must all swing from the rafters so the coalition can keep their precious subsidy.

    The one thing that has turned me off Conservatives more than anything else is the constant need to blame everyone else for their actions. Try that in the workplace and you end up looking for work. What makes you think Canadians find that appealing?
  542. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada

    Did Mr. Harper, with cash flowing out of his pockets return the CPC taxpayer subsidy back in November? I thought they would have done it on principle and let the other parties take a knocking at the polls for not having followed the Conservative example. Did they do that? Or was it all principle BS? Maybe it was based on trying to backrupt the opposition, something that's always good in the warped world of Harper democracy?
  543. bill bocher from Canada writes: Zendo Lee: Misled who over the economy?? Did you know the extent of what was going to happen two months ago?? Nobody on earth did...apparently except for Stephen Harper and he was keeping it a secret from everyone just to try to make everyone's life miserable. What is the difference between a conspiracy theory and overactive imagination? It doesn't matter, the media doesn't descriminate on either.
  544. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Such sanctimonious indignation over the terms of play, game and round over when the leader of the LPC uses these very same words to describe the current situation and actions of his opponent. Perhaps we need it in plain talk. “The guy just can’t help himself”. The GUY. is the PM and “help himself” to what he’s the top servant of this nation who is charged with the levers of power.
  545. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - I think 'sadistic' is a bit much, really. As I have tried to say, politics are a lot about timing and luck. I just see that Harper is being held to a viscious double standard here and I don't see anyone acknowledging that 1/3 of the bedt that was paid off was done by...Harper

    >>>> Systematic Risk, PM Harper's paying down some of the national debt was mostly good fortune (his good fortune to follow the long run of Liberal fiscal management and economic stewardship).

    (
    Though I actually think that Paul Martin as Finance Minister too quickly reduced the deficit -- and almost soley on the backs of the provinces, which we are still recovering from.)

    Cheers.
  546. golfer from the prairies from Brandon, Canada writes: Baird, Flaherty and Clement are hacks but at least they believe what they try to sell. Finley is worthless although yesterday she did finally speak. Harper though, well he just cannot be trusted. He has betrayed the basic ideals of both the Reform Party and the Progressive Conservative Party. He was correct on one point though: we won't recognize Canada when he is done with it! Sad days ahead...and not just because of the global recession.
  547. Barclay Logan from Mike Duffy (Country, actually), Canada writes: Flander Jones from Canada writes ... with enviable economy. Perhaps an anti-ideolgue movement has hatched on these threads, and what a relief. A 'Test Your Ideologue Tendencies' could be composed; and, why not? all that fail by passing (or even looking at it) this test get free t-shirts! What's a good opener? 'Can you coherently explain the ideology of at least three political parties in Canada, and state why your ideology is the right one for everyone?' Suggestions welcome. My view here is not original, by any means: I have a bit of dread about any coalition (except that it pretty well quickly leads to a General Election, where at least there's hope that this mess gets cleaned up a bit), but Mr. Harper has not only, with his 'hands across the floor' (Lie.) schtick, his four-year fixed elections (Lie.), his closing of Parliament to barefacedly, with the help of a 'what century is this, anyway?' Governor-General, to clutch on to Prime Ministership, his renewed 'hands across the water' dance, his wonderfully staged 'We're really interested in what Canadians think' tour of the country by one of his underlings, his economic plan(s) (He's covered here, with the unwritten Harper's Law: Although whatever he's come up with may be palatable to The Opposition, he can change any or all of it if they buy it. (=Lie.) So a critical move to ease the economic crisis in a time when one has to act for now and act for the future has been reduced to a trick to hold power (=Lie.) I can say with certainty that if I ever voted for this fellow, I wouldn't be tricked into doing it again, having witnessed his psychological deterioration. His behaviour, particularly in recent times, has been nothing short of bizarre ... He's set it up so that Mr. Ignatieff, reluctant to do the coalition thing for political considerations, will have to go along with it. His machinations will be accepted. He's a lied and lied and lied ...
  548. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Will anyone acknowledge that when Harper proposed ending the political party subsidies polls showed a sizeable majority in favour of this? Apparently it is mean-spirited to mention that this policy has kept a 'sovereigntist' (we're not allowed to say 'separatist' anymore) in business? Looking at the last 6 months I have said to myself that politics create strange bedfellows - I sure hope that Quebec never does separate ('sovereigntate'?) or else the petty opposition to this government will look silly indeed.
  549. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada

    You are definitely a Harper Conservative, not only based on what you have written, but also based on the Harper delusional bug evidenced in your statement 'I'm not partisan, just vaguely objective'.

    Me on the other hand, I do not pretend to be anything other than ... being deeply anti-Harper. And it is because I have stayed informed on his performance to date. And I expect I'll be increasing proud of having been anti-Harper as the years go by and more and more of the ugly Harper details come out. The fact that I voted for the guy in 2006 is a huge regret on my part.
  550. D Peters from Alberta, Canada writes: Flander Jones from Canada writes: GLOBAL JOB CUTS

    I have been saying the same thing on other blogs.

    ITS A GLOBAL RECESSION

    But, some don't get it Flanders, and they never will.

    That being said, I am to the point I don't trust any of these clowns.

    And Red Suspenders...if we did what you suggest in regards to the various crimes etc, the House of Commons would be pretty hollow.
  551. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes:
    Bob Dylans voice said: 'The coalition is over. Insiders are already indicating good chance Liberals will support Harper. Some are already talking down Layton which will keep future Coalition ideas sidelined. Idiocy thwarted. Harper wins.'

    From today's Grope and Wail: 'Tories regroup ahead of pivotal budget'
    'We have grown-ups running the budget process,' a senior government official told The Globe and Mail yesterday on condition of remaining unidentified by name. 'There will be no juvenile political games.'

    That doesn't sound very much like a winner to me.........and hiding behind the queen's skirt to avoid a defeat. Looks to me like Harper is the biggest idiot on parliament hill.
    heh!
  552. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Flander Jones from Canada writes: The one thing that has turned me off Conservatives more than anything else is the constant need to blame everyone else for their actions. Try that in the workplace and you end up looking for work. What makes you think Canadians find that appealing?

    Flander Jones, good point. I believe that most non-partisan Canadians at times try to give the Tories the benefit of the doubt

    But time and time again are generally let down...

    Not so much by the policies, but by the attitude, the rigid self-righteousness, the bullying tactics and hyper-partisanship, the lack of regard for others' viewpoints -- and as you said, tendency to deflect blame onto others.

    While, to be fair, all politicians are subject to these unseemly traits from time to time, BUT the Tories 'bring it' to a whole new level!

    Why?

    I am convinced that the tail wags the dog, to a large extent. That is, individuals with these traits/tendencies are attracked to the Tory policies (not vice-versa).

    Therefore individuals who do not like these traits will continue to run back into the arms of the (awaiting) Liberals - policies being secondary.

    Cheers
  553. D JL from Canada writes: I haven't and won't read the above 500 messages. So I am just going to make my comment.

    2 months ago Mr. Harper was willing to play politics with the Canadian economy. It took 2 days to show him that statements that were made on his behalf during the previous throne speech and the financial update statements were out of wack with the world. That didn't workout so well did it. Less than a week later he AND his government were back pedalling so fast....

    What I want in the leader of MY country is a LEADER that will look after MY country and not HIS political future.

    Hope this works out.
  554. Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes: mike sty the Coalition Centrist from Canada writes: Jason Roy from Central Nova - After October 14th AKA STILL Peter Mackay Country, Canada writes:

    If you can't get the hell out of the ring.
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    ring ????? G & M comments...........Jay ..didn't your mommy or daddy tell you......dude ..don't take the brown acid, the brown acid is CRAP

    ----------------------------------------

    As usuall you're so stupid you wouldn't know a metaphor if it bit you on the @$$...
  555. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: I can't remember when I have heard such trivial twaddle from posters who begin with sentences like Anti-Harper and so forth. Oh wait, yes I can It was with Chretien, Trudeau, Clark , Mulroney and so on. Each has had heaps of scorn thrown on them. Yet in the case of Harper he is supposed to be perfect as if these armchair hack poster seem to think. The true mettle of a leader as the previous ones have shown is to stay the course, work the issues and problems and stay focused on the real issues of the nation.

    Harper stated 6-9 months ago we were looking at a downturn but most of the media blasted him for being out of touch and in need of a reality wake-up call. Now he appears correct and is forced into a left wing spending binge at dubious programs and projects. Lets bail out the cities as they fall prey to the same affliction as the business world did.

    Ignatrieff jumps onto the scene and ignites a firestorm against a man who stands at the top of the highest office of the land and these curmudgeon posters follow him off the cliff and hurl putrid blather at those who hold divergent views.
  556. Alberta Energy Sector Worker AB from Canada writes: The Harper Conservative Government is fundamentally a neo-con government of the Thatcher-Reagan-Mulroney-Bush ilk: after all the others have been consigned to the rubbish heap of history, Harper lingers on – now his time has come.

    The impetuous apologists of the CRAP regime twist and turn defending Harper’s legacy of sell-out in a convulsive and thuggish ballet of thinly veiled reaction, militarism and anti-worker verbal oratory for fear of losing their position as the chosen evangelical proxy administrators of corporate power.
    If Harper is not defeated at the first opportunity Canadians will be subjected to more sell-out, more job loss, more war and more hardship. It will send a message to Ottawa. Ignatieff if he thinks that he can come to power by supporting a repackaged neo-con agenda will be defeated next. Instead of pleading with this vanguard of unrepentant corporate executives Canadians need to set a new course and toss them all to the curb.
  557. Mike Keith from Saskatoon, Canada writes: I have no doubt that the cons will put out a budget that the opposition can support, but it does not excuse Harper from playing political games and then taking a two month vacation when Canada is losing hundreds of thousands of jobs and seniors are losing their retirement savings (esp after sticking it to seniors on income trusts).

    Its obvious that the majority of Canadians do not support Harper and although I do not support the fall of the government now I don't think it should be allowed to survive much longer.
  558. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - do you vote Liberal? Do you remember when Chretien fired the head of the BDC because he wouldn't give a loan to his buddy in Shawinigan? Seeing a Crown Corp as your private bank is sort of South American style corruption....but I'm sure you gave him a pass (had Harper tried this well I think he might have been actually been lynched). I keep hearing 'lies' without any concrete examples (the kinds the courts have weighed in on). I was a PCer mainly because I grew up seeing the free ride the LPC always got on every issue. I don't love Harper and don't mind Iggy since he is clearly pretty conservative but I don't think Harper deserves this vitroil and whole swaths of the country agree with me, even now. Maybe he'll step down, but he'll leave Canada with a viable alternative to permanant Liberal governments, and that is a good thing.
  559. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Systemic Risk, Harper's paying down debt was more good luck than design. Harper came to power telling us that we were overtaxed because the government was running multi-billion dollar surpluses. He then ramped up spending at an unprecedented rate and cut taxes in order to eliminate that surplus (i.e., eliminate the possibility of paying down debt). The commodity boom was so great, however, that he couldn't spend or reduce taxes fast enough to eliminate the debt payments. He would have succeeded this year and then, bang, the unexpected. So, instead of having that buffer when it was needed, his hard work to eliminate it succeeded in generating a very significant deficit even before the stimulus package. Multi-billion dollar surpluses were not a consequence of overtaxation. They were a consequence of fiscal prudence. Fearing that some future government might actually do something within some of those dollars, though, he felt it was better to eliminate our potential to buffer an economic storm than it was to risk a future government from introducing a national daycare program.
  560. diane marie from Canada writes: Systemic Risk:-- As I have mentioned on these threads a few times, the populace is ignorant about public funding of political parties. Their ignorance was not reversed by Mr. Harper's attempt to 'save' $30 million (or whatever it was) by cutting funding. He, of course, neglected to tell all that they already DO finance political parties, even the ones that they don't support. This is because tax credits for donations result in foregone tax revenues. The more donations a party receives, irrespective of its actual voter support, the more the taxpayer loses in foregone tax revenues.

    Contrast this with the $1.95 per vote support which rewards parties for voter support instead of single-issue, influence-buying support. I'd be prepared to say that per-vote support ought to vary a bit by whether parties field candidates across Canada or not (because their costs are lower in a regional campaign), or to what extent they do, but per-vote support is far superior to tax-credit support if one prefers moderation over fringe influence.
  561. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada

    Let me give you a recent example of why I consider Harper to be warped.

    Back when he was about to torture the GG with yet another hellish decision, this time on prorogation of parliament, he made a public address to the nation. In that address he implied that a coalition government was not democratic.

    So why was that so bad you ask? Well here's why.

    It was in fact a blatant attempt to mislead Canadians about what is democratic within their parliamentary system of government. And coming from a family with an extensive military history that was sickening for me. He in fact was misleading people about the very system of government so many Canadian men and women of uniform had died to defend; and all for his own political gain. That is sick to me.

    Harper will let absolutely nothing get in the way of his political survival. And that includes the political ideology of his loyal followers. He could learn well from a man of much greater principles, Mr. Dion.
  562. D JL from Canada writes: Alberta Energy Segment Worker....

    huh?
  563. martha stewart from Canada writes: All so predictable and predictably spun by these writers.

    This is funny, and typical:

    'In a speech last week, the Liberal Leader set three tests for the budget: “Will it protect the vulnerable? Will it save jobs? And most importantly, will it create the jobs of tomorrow?”

    The Throne Speech replied with promises of programs to “protect the vulnerable,” and added, “These actions will protect the jobs of today while readying the economy to create the jobs of tomorrow.”

    Mr. Ignatieff joked: “Imitation is a sincere form of flattery.”'

    -------------

    LOL. Who knew iggi was the author of such rarely used phrases as 'protect the vulnerable' and 'jobs of tomorrow'?

    LOL. Really. Was it iggi who wrote 'Good morning.'

    Oh well. Its all unfolding predictably.
  564. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: D JL from Canada - since you did not read the various posts here (you don't know what u are missing - not, lol), you should know that there are the occassional folks here who said something similiar to your post...

    At this time in particular Canada needs -- and deserves -- a leader who is not just the leader of his party, but the leader of ALL Canadians. A grown up politician.

    Perhaps that will happen soon enough, though Mr. Igatieff still has to prove his mettle.

    Cheers - Good nite all, from Motown South.
  565. Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada writes: I'd rather have a bankrupt opposition than a bankrupt country. Would'nt you?
  566. Joel Parkes from Peterborough, Canada writes: I'm glad Mr. Harper has decided to use a softer, more conciliatory approach to his job as leader of our country. He is so trust worthy and honest and wise. He's just, like, the BEST, you know what I mean? Gosh, he's great!
  567. bob london from Canada writes: Iggy is Czar in his own mind.
  568. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada writes: I'd rather have a bankrupt opposition than a bankrupt country. Would'nt you?

    *************

    Well, if you're still a Harper supporter you clearly want both.
  569. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: So if you believe the rhetoric, Harper and his ilk exist to eviscorate the federal government YET his government gave a ton more cash to the provinces to spend on social and health spending. how do you reconcile this? Does Canada's progressive left unequivocally stand behind how Martin balanced the budget, by slashing our prized social spending? Interesting bedfellows again. And when he does propose a policy on political funding, 'Canadians don't understand this'. Wow. Hermeneutic gymastics again. Just admit that you would never support ANY Conservative government and I`ll be happy. Again, let`s go back to the Liberal one-party state and we can all go to sleep.
  570. Alberta Energy Sector Worker AB from Canada writes: D JL - Simple…Harper was the chosen manager of corporate power in this country while capital moved west during the height of oil power. Ignatieff is now being considered seriously by the old money around Power Corp. to assume the reins as the proxy administrator. The budget will do nothing for working people. It is addressed to the base support of both parties who are looking to protect their investments first. They both have to contend however with working Canadians who are losing jobs, income and pensions. All this nonsense of defending Harper’s record or discussing Ignatieff’s rise is nothing more then confusion to not discuss the real issue of defeating Harper and then moving on to defeat Ignatieff or what ever corporate administration is cooked up. It will not end until they are all defeated.
  571. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: martha stewart from Canada writes: All so predictable and predictably spun by these writers.

    LOL. Who knew iggi was the author of such rarely used phrases as 'protect the vulnerable' and 'jobs of tomorrow'?


    >>> Martha, time to bake some cookies, lol (based on your namesake).

    (If you think that sounds sexist -- help me here diane marie -- substitute 'chop' for 'bake, and substitute 'wood ' for 'cookies...)

    ;-)

    G'nite all you politicos...
  572. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Harper will let absolutely nothing get in the way of his political survival. And that includes the political ideology of his loyal followers. He could learn well from a man of much greater principles, Mr. Dion. Yet in all that drivel that you have just spouted Mr. Harper followed the rules of the government. Chretien used closure more times than any other government before him combined. This was an assault on democracy yet it was fully in the rules of parliament. Perhaps you should run for public office if you are so outraged over our system. Mr. Harper worked for years for the betterment of Canadians and still does despite your hackneyed attack on him. The Clarity Act, Election Gag Laws, Senate Reform, Uniting the Right and so on. Many great achievements yet he gets the scorn of the left because he is human after all. Go ahead vote for the new guy Ignatieff with a month as leader of the LPC and 3 years as MP. In the past month he has reworked the budget (no small feat), sent his ministers out to sell it, set up the Obama meeting. He works all the time and because its not perfect and not to everyones pleasing he gets slammed for it. Name me one elected PM who has ever been perfect. One who has never made mistakes and had a chance to correct them (Except Joe Who)
  573. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada

    For your information, based on real statistical data, there is one jurisdiction in Canada which has shown the greatest tendency by far to be a one-party state. All other jurisdictions demonstrate much greater tolerance for more than one political party. Now do you care to cite the Canadian jurisdiction which leads the way in one-party status?
  574. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: And to be really blunt, Harpers`s real legacy will be to have united the right such that it is unlikely we will see a Liberal majority ever again. So this is so much ballyhoo because it casts light on the fact that our system has relegated the LPC to 100 or so seats in their best case, and the fact that Canada`s natural governing party lost the west, francophone Quebec and rural Ontario. But bring out your vitriol; maybe it can make you obviate this fact. Good night!
  575. Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada writes: Harper is saving the country from the separitist coalition, which would destablize the country and more than likely break it apart. So here we have it, go in the hole or let the country fall apart? Thank you LPC.
  576. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - are you talking about the west, francophone Quebec or rural Ontario? I`d be careful about talking about what party alienated more Cdns...the evidence is pretty strong....
  577. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: ppps. Well said diane marie: per-vote support is far superior to tax-credit support if one prefers moderation over fringe influence.

    Thankfully, that straw man (political tactic) will not be used again by the Tories for some time.

    I am outta of here.
  578. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada

    I predict that you will be absolutely wrong on the 'unite-the-right' legacy for Harper. My prediction is that, if his party does not soon get the courage to get rid of him, Harper's legacy will be that of the one who 'succeeded in dividing the once united right'. Time will tell who will prove to be correct.

    Good night from The Rock!
  579. diane marie from Canada writes: Systemic Risk:-- Once again, the provinces carried less debt, on average, than did the federal government, and they still do. Your argument is akin to the out-of-work father still trying to fund massive allowances for his children. Everyone had to do their bit, and they did. If anyone can find any proof that nation's life expectancy figures, for example, fell during those times, I'd be pleased to see it. What we have had in this country is a population that prefers to spend money on lottery tickets and for useless crap from China rather than fund education and health care. I attribute this to the 'tax relief' brainwashing from the American neo-cons.
  580. Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - are you talking about the west, francophone Quebec or rural Ontario? I`d be careful about talking about what party alienated more Cdns...the evidence is pretty strong....

    **************

    Aw, delusional to the last word.
  581. Mach Machiavelli from Lethbridge, Canada writes: Firewall Harper tries to con his declining PC followers with the old-soft shoe routine. They aren't that stupid.....are they?
  582. diane marie from Canada writes: Systemic Risk:-- Many Canadians don't understand that capital punishment does not deter crime, either, but our Parliamentarians, or at least some of them, have demonstrated wisdom on our behalf.
  583. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Percy from NL - look at the electoral map of the last election (and the previous elections) and see the blue (dark or light). If the LPC is a government in waiting, well, it will take a minor miracle....
  584. Peter Kells from Bytown, Canada writes: Could it be that when Mr. Harper and Madame Jean held their little tete a tete to discuss prorogue that the good Madame let Mr. Harper have it and told him to clean up his act or she would in fact ask the opposition parties to form a government? Methinks that this seed was planted in our once beligerent Prime Minister's ear and he really has no choice in what he is doing. This new conciliatory tone must eat at guys like Messrs. Harper and Baird to no end - their entire political lives have been devoted to vindictive partisan attack. I wonder how long they can sustain the facade?

    Now Mr. Harper either has to learn how to get along, or our smiling little GG will allow him to be turfed out. I think that Madame Jean is made of much sterner stuff than Mr. Harper or any of his attack dogs ever gave her credit for. I am sure she was chuckling under her breath as she read the speech from the throne today.
  585. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Percy from NL from Canada writes: Systemic Risk from Canada

    For your information, based on real statistical data, there is one jurisdiction in Canada which has shown the greatest tendency by far to be a one-party state.

    Alberta votes conservative more times than any other jurisdiction based on trust. We can trust the Con's to run the province in and out of debt, equalization or NEP's. They swing right when they need to and left when they have to. They spend like druken oilmen or save like penny misers. They cross many ideological boundaries and are the naturla governing party of this province. They have been and always will be a proud and integral part and contributor to the national fabric despite all the name calling and bigotry of the East. In that vein I bid so long. West is best. The rest are less :-)
  586. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: [Systematic Risk mutters to himself: 'all those pinko/lefty Easterners are finally going beddy-bye -- Hallelujah!'] ;-)

    At least we are light-sleepers - we care too much to sleep well when so many are suffering so much.

    Nighty Nite.
  587. diane marie from Canada writes: The Globe and Mail headline suggests that Mr. Harper has abandoned brinksmanship. We don't know that yet.
  588. D JL from Canada writes: We will all wait ..

    Let's see if any of the politicians cafre about me( or us)...

    NDP have bailed already. Go for the union vote.
    BQ don't realy care.
    Conv. screwed up so much on the last one...who expects the to do nothing but try an make EVERYONE happy.
    Liberals, while, we are waiting for other than something that doesn't say we are passing anything.

    My vote is for Politians to be paid $100/day, including expense ($100). Sorry noithing more. They don't work for me!
  589. Mr. CanadianNorth from The North, Canada writes: Ontario, Quebec and the Far Four will suffer the most from this coalition debt.

    I will sleep well tonight with the oil sands beneath my bed.

    Night all.
  590. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: diane marie from Canada writes: The Globe and Mail headline suggests that Mr. Harper has abandoned brinksmanship. We don't know that yet.

    Yeah right, and my teenager is going to stop putting the pedal to the medal... not. It is all about political tactics, and that this is so blatant makes it especially offensive...

    (Let's hope) The CPC keep driving non-partisans into the arms of the (lovingly awaiting) Liberals. ;)

    ps. Diane Marie, what? no condemnation of my Martha Stewart cookie comment? lol.

    Nite.
  591. R L from Canada writes: .

    Harper/Flaherty Cons, Before & After Prorogue...

    http://i44.tinypic.com/23mr5lz.jpg

    .
  592. Jesse Winger from Calgary, Canada writes: On Eating Crow:
    If you must eat crow it is best to eat it while it's fresh. Thus you don't get poisoned from eating rotten crow and so may live.

    Thus Stephen Harper and the Conservatives are dining on crow right now - still reasonably fresh - and so their minority will survive. Until the next time they have to eat crow, at least.
  593. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes: Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: 'Mr. Harper worked for years for the betterment of Canadians and still does despite your hackneyed attack on him.' Quick--pass me an oxygen bottle--not for me, but for Robert--apparently oxygen is not reaching your brain.

    'Harper has spent most of his adult life working for right-wing political parties, either in the backrooms or as an MP.

    One of his few 'outside' jobs, from 1998 to 2002, was heading the National Citizens Coalition, a lobby group founded in the 1960s by wealthy businessman Colin Brown, expressly for the purpose of preventing the establishment of public health care in Canada.'

    Working for an outfit that was dedicated to stopping the establishment of health care doesn't sound like someone who really cares for the betterment of Canadians--unless of course you're rich. And purposely disrupting and ruining various parliamentary committees smacks of contempt for the democratic process.

    Give your head a shake.
  594. Prsn Nep from Canada writes: Shawn Bull, what's your real name? John Baird?
  595. Joshua Gardiner from Panic! In Year Zero., Canada writes: i think, and i could be wrong, but i think stevey misses dion. and i think stevey misses dion because he knew he could kick dion's @$$ pretty handily. i don't think stevey expects to be able to kick iggy's @$$. i think steve might actually be a little scared of iggy.
  596. martha stewart from Canada writes: In the end, guess who is still going to be the PM?
  597. charles ANTHONY from Canada writes: Consensis time with maybe a harper-iggy coalition?
  598. Linda Dial from Canada writes: Steps 7,8,9 etc. on the Stations of the Budget: Pin back ears and tail to squeeze into goldilocks gramma outfit. Prepare baskets of goodies that tempt and beckon crowd to draw near, the better to see them. Quick change to sackcloth and ashes for broody Throne Speech. So far this tack seems to confirm that Mrs. Sharples campaigns in fairy tales and governs in horror flicks. Gong Gong
  599. Jesse Winger from Calgary, Canada writes: martha stewart from Canada writes: 'In the end, guess who is still going to be the PM?'

    I'm betting on Ignatieff by year end as Harper resumes his day job at the NCC.
  600. Barclay Logan from Mike Duffy's Hams, Canada writes: Feeling back to normal, thank you. How do you vote for a person who, in the U.S. would have been impeached, in the 'what are they calling it today?' Congo, eaten for all the lies and machinations of same?

    Is 'Ideology' considered to be a mental illness by any officiallly-sanctioned psychiatric expert? At the very least, it should be on the top of the list of maladies for the 'Let's put some new names for maladies' people.

    P.S. Thanks for the long-shot photo of Prevaricator and his lap-dog and saviour; I saved an earlier close-up, and I wish I could just delete it out of my life. Is the press too respectful to ask about the botched face transplant? It is so horrible up close -- maybe if you all agree to just cut out these disturbing close-ups, nothing need be discused -- and, yes, it's quite superficial to go here, but what absolute quack would stitch a partially-melted shower cutain to a man's face?

    He's not sweating during those annual 'acknowledge (and throw in a few lies; add some extras if it's near Christmas the people' press conferences, you know ....
  601. Randal Oulton from Toronto, Canada writes: OMG why does her head look so big in the picture?
  602. R L from Canada writes:

    How are the 18 new Harper-appointed Con-hack senators doing tonight? Swell, yes?

    Mike Duffy from Con Tory Vision (CTV) must be really pleased to take orders from Steve without having to hide his true colours (not that he ever did a good job of hiding his partisan allegiances toward the Cons).

    As for the other loyal Harper-appointed Con hacks in the senate, King Steve will be around shortly to tighten those muzzles.

    .
  603. diane marie from Canada writes: Harold K.:-- I missed that cookies thing. I commiserate. Sleep tight

    Linda Dial:-- I read your post to my husband and he inhaled his beer :-).
  604. JP M from Canada writes: I'd love to believe that good little Stevie would keep his tail between his legs and behave for a while, but his history does not allow this. Harper has, in the truest sense, lost the CONFIDENCE of Parliament, and, it now seems, the majority of Canadians. I wish I could believe he'll keep his word, but it is worth little, and I suspect al his sweet words are little more than an attempt to hold onto power as long as he absolutely can (and try to stack the senate, continue to betray all he believes in, etc...)

    Happy Monster Deficits all! Thanks PM Harper!
  605. The Bubble from Canada writes: Is Michele wearing a Hello Kitty badge?
  606. James ofthewest from Canada writes: There is definitely an element of leftist propagandists on this comments section,their hate for anything but what they say is good for us,they are not the majority as they seen to think,a lot of people who vote to keep a minority government are not going to vote that way again.But Ignatieff will vote for the budget you can be sure of that.So rave on all you want.....
  607. Maurice Nulens from Squamish, Canada writes: p lailey from
    writes;

    ' Yes, but surely the last election should have seen a majority for the Liberal party, given all the apparent faults of Mr. Harper. '

    You keep looking and talking about the past. Pas tElections, ol polls, etc... In the last election Mr Ignatieff was not the Liberal Leader. Have you not noticed how scared Harper has gotten of Mr Ignatieff... he can fell the heat on his political neck...
  608. Wendy Stone from Canada writes: This budget is a BIG MISTAKE. A BIG MISTAKE!!!! You CANNOT increase spending AND do tax cuts at the same time, which is what Harper is proposing.

    That is what George W. Bush did for eight years in the United States!!!!! He made changes to the U.S. tax code to lower taxes and create what became closer to a flat-tax system, and yet at the same time, he was increasing spending, especially because of two wars.

    What was the result?? A deficit of over 10 TRILLION dollars!!! Furthermore, that country is now in a DEEP recession and it's questionable whether foreign lenders (i.e. China) will continue to provide money!

    Stephen Harper is doing the exact same thing here, only on a Canadian, rather than U.S. scale. If he does the tax cuts ON TOP of more spending, we are heading into a bigger mess!!!

    We only have two realistic options, Canada! Either:

    A) We increase taxes marginally, to generate the tax revenue so that we can do the spending to stimulate the economy without a huge deficit.

    OR

    B) Start cutting back dramatically, even on cherished things like health care, with the possible consequence of an even deeper recession.

    THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE REALISTIC.

    My own preference is (A): I would rather pay a bit more and then do the spending to get us out of this recession with very a very minimal deficit, and possibly returning to surpluses in the future.

    The (B) option is much more painful in the longer run. I do not want to give up the transfers to the provinces for health care, education, etc.

    But my fundamental point is neither Liberal nor Conservative. My point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do the tax cuts AND the recession proofing AND not have deep and painful cuts in the future.

    THAT'S REALITY.

    So, please do not be duped by either the 'feel good' spending line or the 'feel good' tax-break line ... the combination of the two will lead to a disaster, mark my words!
  609. Some Guy from Canada writes: I hope every lie she was forced to read tasted as bitter as ashes in her mouth.
  610. James ofthewest from Canada writes: The Throne Speech replied with promises of programs to “protect the vulnerable,” and added, “These actions will protect the jobs of today while readying the economy to create the jobs of tomorrow.”

    Mr. Ignatieff joked: “Imitation is a sincere form of flattery..............................Right Ignatieff and how many other things of Obamas have you imitationed..
  611. diane marie from Canada writes: James ofthewest:-- The Throne Speech, or should we say Thrown Speech, quoted Mr. Ignatieff word-for-word on those three Liberal priorities - these were not imitations but direct quotes. Perhaps you can find something that Mr. Obama said that Mr. Ignatieff copied directly.

    Wendy Stone:-- I agree with you completely, except perhaps at the very lowest income levels. Interestingly enough, a gentleman from the Fraser Institute wants the government to increase the GST, drop income taxes, and forget job creation spending. A gentleman from CIBC wants infrastructure spending because he suggests that a large, existing infrastructure deficit was increased during good times.
  612. censured ... from Canada writes: I wonder whose skirt Harper will hide under this time?
  613. L P from Canada writes:
    Actually, a stimulus package including infrastructure and re-training programs may not be bad. Tax cuts is fine too. During a recession, all necessary measures are needed, that's my opinion.
  614. James ofthewest from Canada writes: Diane marie from Canada writes: James ofthewest:-- :-- The Throne Speech, or should we say Thrown Speech, quoted Mr. Ignatieff word-for-word on those three Liberal priorities - these were not imitations but direct quotes. Perhaps you can find something that Mr. Obama said that Mr. Ignatieff copied directly.
    Ignatieff:Will it protect the vulnerable? Will it save jobs? And most importantly, will it create the jobs of tomorrow?”
    The Throne Speech replied with promises of programs to “protect the vulnerable,” and added, “These actions will protect the jobs of today while readying the economy to create the jobs of tomorrow.”.......So much for your direct quotes ,as for Ignatieff he quotes Obama all the time he think he is the Obama of Canada.
  615. diane marie from Canada writes: James:-- Still no Obama quotes to offer?
  616. James ofthewest from Canada writes: That the best you can do?Better get your sleep....night..night..
  617. Cesar Hechler from Costa Mesa, CA, United States writes: The Bubble from Canada writes: 'Is Michele wearing a Hello Kitty badge?'

    Oh my gosh, I certainly hope so. Hello Kitty is the perfect politician...no mouth.

    (and the cartoon show doesn't count)
  618. J Birch from Hamilton, Canada writes:

    Gone is the brinkmanship (for now)

    How long is 'now' ?

    How long is Harper's nose ?!

    Turn over your 3 minute egg timer and 'now' will be over

    Anybody who votes for him again - well the yolk's on you.

    Vote for Iggy, not the Piggy

    .
  619. CA Boyle from Golden Lake, Canada writes: I pray to God that he guide Harper to reject his almighty need of power at any cost and have the people of Canada and our Country upermost in his thoughts. This is a time for us to come together as one to help heal the rift that Harper caused by his struggle to be King of Canada. We need an adult who will put the country and the people first. We will be going through troubled times and if we pull together and look after the vunerable and the weak we will come through this all the better.

    Please people search your souls and honestly consider, do you really think Harper is capiable of bringing our country through this downturn, or is he only clinging to power any way he can? This budget will tell. Step back and really look at this budget and make sure it is the best for Canada and our people. If it has poison pills you will know that it is Harper at his best, and he deserves to be chucked out, because he would make sure that it did not have any surprises or hurts for others if he was truly for Canada and its people.
  620. Simon Proxy from Canada writes: So the latest Conservative election-ad-when-there-isn't-an-election earnestly states at the end 'tell your MP to put the country ahead of politics'.

    HO HO HO HEE HEE HAW HAW

    If the Harpercrits had put the country ahead of politics back in November when the nation needed them to deal with the economic crisis BEFORE it got bad this mess wouldn't be as bad.

    I'm sorry but politics aside: compare how Martin's economic policies kept us from following the US into recession after 9/11; ensured there were economic buffers when SARS, Mad Cow, and Softwood lumber took billions out of our economy.

    Now look at Harper, whose first acts were to cut the GST by 2% (a cut I don't even notice benefiting me if it really does) thereby removing 9 BILLION DOLLARS annually from any buffer the Govt had. Then he increased spending in nearly every department (but only for ridings that voted Conservative). I dare say even if the US wasn't in an economic mess right now this poorly thought out economic strategy would have had us heading there the moment oil dipped below $40/barrel - which is has.

    So Mr. Harper, hopefully this isn't shallow rhetoric designed to placate your opposition long enough for you to get over this mess you made worse by abdicating your responsibilities for the last 8 weeks, but most of us doubt it.

    You can put lipstick on a pitbull, but don't be surprised when it bites you. It is, after all still a pitbull!
  621. garlick toast from Canada writes: Rollo 8>) from Belgium writes:

    Is the GG anorexic??? Just wondering...

    --------------------------

    No, Haitian
  622. Red October from Canada writes: What is chameleon Harper's flavor of the month to be come February?A lizard with lipstick is still a lizard.You can tell however this is still Harper because of his pinocchio nose and his pants are constantly on fire.Time for change.Time for an honest leader whom we can trust and who can give Canada some sense of direction. Dump Harper.
  623. forty sum from Canada writes: A Liar is never believed even if he decides to tell the truth (highly unlikely).

    Harper and his government can Not be believed and need to be removed from office.

    Dump Harper
  624. john dancy from Canada writes: m y, I agree about the gas tax. Down south Mr Obama just told the auto guys that big gas mileage figures were coming for the 2011 year. Why do we Canadians always look for a handout and not the tough decision to fix things for the future........
  625. john dancy from Canada writes: James ofthewest, its word for word because they already made the deal. Its a Conservative/ Liberal coalition. With 70% of Canadians support. All the NDP supporters here dont like reality.....just like after the last election....hmmmm.
  626. john dancy from Canada writes: Wendy Stone, diane marie, you believe this, ' B) Start cutting back dramatically, even on cherished things like health care, with the possible consequence of an even deeper recession.'
    Diane I am shocked ......
  627. john dancy from Canada writes: Bert Russell , This budget , or any, for that matter will not fix Canada. Last year revenue was 590 billion and we spent 574 billion. Spending 30 billion extra just adds to the debt which stands just under 500 billion.
    The government does not have enough money to fix all of us. 60 billion divided by 30 million people is 2000 dollars per person. Two months mortgage payments.
    Grandma always said live within your means and save for a rainy day. Too many did not. Thank god she gave us E.I., CPP, OldAge security, WELFARE, and RRSP's. She made sure if we were stupid the programs would be in place. thanks granny sorry we did not listen.
  628. hangin right from Van, Canada writes: mymymmy

    the Speech would actually mean something if it wasn't coming from the Harper government.
    thats a Speech more akin to the proper workings of things when people coalesce and come together for the greater good of all,hmmmmm something the Liberals and NDP and even the Bloc can accept for they have been practicing it .

    now just watch Harper revert back real quick when he starts getting grilled and questioned on things .
    he wants to try to squeak by and pretend to be alll co-operative and such when all its going to take is when the Opposition does its job of questioning his actions and then see how fast the spin and rhetoric and dodging questions come back.

    its not going to take much and it won't be partisan because the Opposition will just be doing their job.

    we will be better off with the Liberals , these Conservatives just can't be trusted no matter how hard they try to pretend they have changed.
  629. Donald Wilson from Canada writes: One cannot help but notice the controlled tone of voice that Harper uses when speaking to the press and in public . This displays his controlling character . He hasn't changed and never will . I would hope that the Liberals do the right thing and vote against the budget just to get rid of Harper and gang . They have their own budget almost ready to go if the GG displays some common sense and allows a coalitition to govern for about 2 years . Then if the economy is past the worst , allow an election so that we can get rid of Steve ( if the party hasn't already done so ).
  630. a l from Toronto, Canada writes: When Harper last spoke of adopting a softer tone, he was the worst offender. Why should anyone believe him this time?
  631. billy weathers from toronto, Canada writes: saw john baird mr common sense today on ctv
    says he is going to give money for roads
    well in toronto harper promised money in 06 on ctv
    to toronto have not seen a cent 3years now ok
    the reporter should have asked john baird
    why just come out and say that your bull......
    and tell the truth no money is comin anytime soon
    its all an act
    iggy has to be careful that this charade cant go on much longer its better to piss of some people but this
    group of oscar winniners have to be put to bed
    asap for the good of the country and cancel this long goin saop opera
  632. hangin right from Van, Canada writes: given the fact that Harper has broken the trust of the Canadian people several times too many making him untrustworty and dangerous.

    Once bitten,
    twice shy,
    third time....
    Goodbye, Conservatives.
  633. Brenton E. from Canada writes: ah! The Globe, he is wearing a snuggy bear sweater, he must have changed, lets support him. Ah! The Globe, he is speaking in civil, compromising tones, lets support him. The Globe and the media giant that owns the globe must have a vested interest in seeing Harper govern. Why else would our national newspaper ignor facts and focus on spin and candy.
  634. Katherine R from Canada writes: Harper is a joke.
  635. Evelyn Campbell from Canada writes: Stephen Harper said one thing and done something else so many times that he has no credibility left with me. He said he wanted a less fractious parliament and then presents an economic statement that was guaranteed to cause discord.
    Politicians are not known for their credibility, reliability or even honestly. Stephen Harper is the recent reigning king of deceit. Even if the budget states one thing I do not trust him to implement his own policies.
  636. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is toally Incompetent., Canada writes: Our sociopathic PM changes personalities the way most people change sweaters.
  637. WE NEED SOLUTIONS, HORATIO AND NOT CURSES from Canada writes: THIS IS DEMOCRACY AT WORK. With the sword of Damocles (yclept the NDP Liberal Coalition) hanging over his head Harper has decided to be a democrat and behave himself. However if you review all his past statements, his practice of going back on his declared policies and his recent attempt to destroy the other parties just don't let down your guard, fellahs.
    CYMRO
  638. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent., Canada writes: BTW, been in the States the past week and Canadian news is pretty scarce in the MSM. Must be a conspiracy!

    Any Canadian Gov't would be heading into deficit in this environment. But Harper's lies are inexcusable, and his gov'ts incompetence will ensure that the deficit is longer and will take longer to eliminate. The guy's gotta go.
  639. WE NEED SOLUTIONS, HORATIO AND NOT CURSES from Canada writes: C L from T O, Canada writes: For the record... there has NEVER been a fiscally prudent right-wing party, either here or in the US (look at the record). Conservative parties exist for the good of and to serve their benefactors: Big Business. (To the exclusion of, or on the backs of, all others.) As mentioned many times before, we need a left-leaning or centrist government to clean up right-wing messes and steer the economic ship back to prosperity. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRUE! There are many examples other than Bush The Lesser. Mulroney and the Conservative Party of Saskatchewan (now defunct) are two obvious examples. On the other hand left leaning governments, (except in economic dowturns) such as the last Liberal Administration (Martin's) are fiscally prudent as also was Tommy Douglas (NDP Premier of Sask) who had back to back governments and never had a deficit in 17 years. Conservatives like to talk of tax and spend liberals and NDP but the record for those that take a close interest in history proves that the Conservatives are the spenders who like to levy low taxes on the rich and on big business. The Conservative Party is the party of the rich. DO NOT EVER GIVE THEM A MAJORITY .........EVER!
  640. Alfie Didn't Choke.... Like Really... from Canada writes: Spending it on roads, bridges and other unsustainable short-term projects is a waste. Spend it on sustainable technology research, education and training. Yeah, like we should make more roads to Ft. MacMurray right? Um, yeah, that sounds about right.
  641. kotter 49 from Canada writes: I find it very depressing that there are posters who appear to be gleefully hoping for disaster to improve their particular party's hopes. This is a phenomenon not restricted to any particular party affiliation as the same happens in Ontario. Canadians need to grow up and work for a properly functioning country. I don't support any party, just my family.
  642. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: diane marie from Canada writes: Wendy Stone:-- I agree with you completely, except perhaps at the very lowest income levels. Interestingly enough, a gentleman from the Fraser Institute wants the government to increase the GST, drop income taxes, and forget job creation spending. A gentleman from CIBC wants infrastructure spending because he suggests that a large, existing infrastructure deficit was increased during good times.

    >>>> There IS a large infrastructure deficit diane marie -- in large part (and this is where I become non-partisan) due to Finance Minister Paul Martin cutting transfer payments to the provinces too quickly during the 90's. Yes, fiscally it was a good idea, but the losses to key components of the society were undercut unnecessarily.

    (Note that Mr. Martin grew up in Windsor...but with a silver spoon in his ...)

    Cheers.
  643. L F from Canada writes: diane marie please get your information straight before you post. Any childcare help to people making 150,000 a year are clawed right back. Please don't spread false information. As far as the GST cuts they were a promise first put forth by the Liberals but once again they mislead the public and did not follow through. If they had I would have gladly voted for them again. Any tax break is good for the masses of middle-class people who pay their own way.
  644. Phil Craig from Toronto, Canada writes: Would Harper's 'sofetr tones' be the ones he is using in the House or the latest of Tory gamesmanship on the radio? Either way he must be stopped because he just will not, cannot accept the rules of minority gov't. Vote 'No.
  645. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Alfie Didn't Choke.... Like Really... from Canada writes: Spending it on roads, bridges and other unsustainable short-term projects is a waste. Spend it on sustainable technology research, education and training. Yeah, like we should make more roads to Ft. MacMurray right? Um, yeah, that sounds about right.

    >>> Wow, great point! Yes, it is silly to invest - I mean waste - public money on the crumbling - I mean useless - public infrastruture, when Canadians could have that money stay in their pockets.

    Canadians can find, transport, and purify their own water, and pave their own part of the road (to get to their neighbour), and take care of their own sewers and power needs.

    Let's go for a purely Darwinistic society - 'Survival of the Fittest'

    Please don't call 911 when that bridge collapses on your relatives, as the emergency crew will not make it down their street.

  646. Mimi Williams from Edmonton, Canada writes: Garibaldi III from TO from Canada writes: Kevin Bender from Calgary, Canada writes: I say for now Harper is the best that we have to choose from, -32,000,000 alternatives and I may seem like some dumb Albertan -Thanks for requesting my opinion. but if all of a sudden the coalition came in to power, every one of you would be saying the same thing that I am saying now. - Thanks for patronizing us..... but I'l wait for a smart Albertan's point of view... :-) _________________ Here I am! In December, fuelled by mistruths and vitriol from the PMO, there were a good many Albertans quite upset at the idea of a Coalition. Through reasoned discussion and offering facts not rhetoric, many of my neighbours have come to see the Coalition for what it is: a compromise to get us through difficult times. It is difficult for even the most ardent Conservatives with whom I have spoken to defend Harper`s actions over the past few months. I believe that support for the Coalition has increased, albeit extremely begrudging support, even in Alberta. Personally, I am not a fan of Ignatieff and have never been a Liberal supporter. I view the Libs and the Cons as two sides of the same coin. That said, Harper has proven repeatedly that he cannot be trusted. I support Layton`s position that it doesn`t matter what`s in the budget, this government needs to be defeated simply based on the fact they cannot be trusted. At the end of the day, most people are smart enough not to believe someone who has broken every single promise they have ever made. The most recent poll I read says 62% of Canadians are smart enough, at any rate.
  647. Naomi Y from Canada writes: m y from Canada writes:

    the only way for Harper to fix this and he will always get my vote if he has the balls to do this is raise the GST to 10% and cut income taxes - not temporarily but permanently, enhance investment credits, and offer innovative investment products for alternative energy and infrastructure projects that promote energy efficiency -

    also, harpie boy i'm sorry but raise gas taxes not lower them.
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    Kind of funny since most of your idea seem to be much more align to the Liberal platform than the Conservative one.

    Also, there's a lot of difference between the Provincial Liberal/Conservative party versus the Federal one.
  648. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: L F from Canada writes: diane marie please get your information straight before you post. Any childcare help to people making 150,000 a year are clawed right back. Please don't spread false information. As far as the GST cuts they were a promise first put forth by the Liberals but once again they mislead the public and did not follow through. If they had I would have gladly voted for them again. Any tax break is good for the masses of middle-class people who pay their own way.

    >>>> LF clearly you lack life experience. Perhaps you need to go through being 'laid off' to actually understand that tax breaks do not help the under-employed and lower income Canadians.

    You do demonstrate one thing: 'Middle class people' like you (relatively privelidged, with cushy jobs) have been making policy decisions in governments much too long, and the CPC is the exemplar of this trend.

    Go and produce something, get your hands dirty and sweat on your brow... instead of sitting on your fat a$$ in your cushy chair talking about something you know nothing about.

  649. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Phil Craig from Toronto, Canada writes: Would Harper's 'sofetr tones' be the ones he is using in the House or the latest of Tory gamesmanship on the radio? Either way he must be stopped because he just will not, cannot accept the rules of minority gov't. Vote 'No

    >>>> Phil, it may have something to do with the staff at 24 Sussex using extra fabric softener on PM Harper's clothes - especially his sweaters...lol.

    But seriously, you are right, it is very obvious gamesmanship; well all politicians do that to some degree PM Harper and Team elevated this to a whole new level (or should I say, have taken it to a new LOW).

    Good days Folks.
  650. Mimi Williams from Edmonton, Canada writes: I posted this on another thread but think it`s worth recycling. In a telling fumble during a Q & A with the Sun, Harper displays that he cannot be trusted: http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2009/01/22/8116246.html “The numbers, quite frankly from September on and in December were markedly worse in terms of projections than in November. In January, again markedly worse. Markedly worse and with greater uncertainty. We’re all living in a period of tremendous uncertainty, but the world economy has slowed considerably, even since the economic financial update, and that will have an impact on the government’s revenues. So that’s the primary short-term impact.” If the numbers were markedly worse in September, why did the Conservatives ridicule Dion during the election? They actually accused him of “hoping for a recession.” The Economic Update did not take any stimulus measures. In fact, massive spending announced in previous budgets hasn`t been spent. Would this crisis have been mitigated significantly if those projects were now underway? The Conservatives’ priority, as always, is political gamesmanship. They know if they go down, the G-G will not be calling an election. I suspect the G-G made it perfectly clear to Harper that snowy day in December that she wasn’t going to let him roll the electoral dice again. That’s why the Conservatives are doing what they are doing – engaging in a PR war trumpeting spending they would never in a million years spend. They know they will never have to spend the money. They have just, successfully, wasted three months that could have been spent addressing matters that are important to Canadians. The two months before that were wasted on an election about nothing that proved nothing. Other than the fact that the Conservatives didn’t mind wasting 300 million dollars to break their own fixed date election law. Frankly, it would take days to compile an exhaustive list of why these guys need to go.
  651. Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: Mr Harper accomplishments are many--here is a list some posted on another board.
    In and Out, Bernier, Income Trusts, Security Leaks, Funding Cuts for Women's Rights, Cadman Affair, Attack Ads, Frigates, Homophobia, Right to Life, Water Sales, Unregistered Firearms, Kyoto Accord, Kelowna Accord, Biker Broad, Listeria Outbreak, Looming Deficite, Fort PMO, John Baird, Big Oil, Bush Jr., Transparency, Accountability, $100.00 annual Daycare Costs, Afghanistan, CBC Funding Cuts, Cultural Funding Cuts, Conservative label used by Reformists, Tailings ponds, Pristine lakes, Mutant Fish, Zenn Vehicles, Taser Deaths, Religeous Fundamentalists, Attending Democratic Convention in US, Absent at Olympics, GG told to Forego Paralympics, Internet Copyright Legislation, Mulroney Affair, Nobel Winners Ignored, Only Bush Calls SH Steve, Atlantic Accord, Rona Ambrose, Information Data Base, Militarization of Arctic, Outsourcing Policy Research, Fixed Election Date, Ambassador's reports on Human Rights Overseas Made Secret, Attempt to Stop Same Sex Marriage, Advertisement Budget Doubled, Almost All Legislation Posed as Confidence Motion, Support for Biofuel, Insufficient Support of Alternative Energy, Failure to protect Canadians Abroad, Support for Guantanamo, Lost Nato Documents, Wheat Board Muzzled, Caucus Muzzled, Ontario Ignored, Canadians Executed in America, Cancelled National Childcare, Fired Nuclear Watchdog, Embarassment on World Stage.'

    And the list is not complete. Add Senate appointments, Court appointments, Shut down government in fear. to add a few.
  652. Anne Peterson from Canada writes: Be careful of this. After much study and watching of politics and world affairs I have concluded that right wingers are interested in money, power and defending their privilege. Left wingers are interested in people, community and helping the underdog. Leopards don't change their spots. A lot of the money is tied to public/ private initiatives where all kinds of unsavoury things can happen. Rewards to friends, kickbacks, hanky panky.

    Good salaries paid to public workers are wonderful for a community. They are like circles in a pond, they move outwards and make lots of people happy. They create a base for a healthy economy. Private salaries for services move around creating boom and bust situations and poorer services. Study the social democracies fo northern Europe. They are wealthy and comfortable. They have lots of businesses but those businesses must operate ethically. Let's not forget what got us into this mess in the first place.
  653. Naomi Y from Canada writes: Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes:

    >>> Wow, great point! Yes, it is silly to invest - I mean waste - public money on the crumbling - I mean useless - public infrastruture, when Canadians could have that money stay in their pockets.

    Canadians can find, transport, and purify their own water, and pave their own part of the road (to get to their neighbour), and take care of their own sewers and power needs.

    Let's go for a purely Darwinistic society - 'Survival of the Fittest'

    Please don't call 911 when that bridge collapses on your relatives, as the emergency crew will not make it down their street.
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    Oh please, you are twisting his words and ideas. No one here are advocating stop spending money on infrastructure. It's all about how it's best to stimulate the economy.

    Money towards a research project can generate great returns far better than other investment can provide.

    Yes, we need to put money to infrastructure, but after a certain point, we will ran on of sensible project.

    This is especially true for building bike trail or renovating subsidies housing, stuff like this generate negligible return. Once you spend money on these things, they are gone, whereas a research project can bring us stuff like another RIM or opentext.
  654. Still Learning at 78 from Canada writes: Public Private Partnerships are a very bad thing, ask Ontario about their Public Private highway. Making someone in Italy rich.
  655. WE NEED SOLUTIONS, HORATIO AND NOT CURSES from Canada writes: Naomi Y from Canada writes: m y from Canada writes: the only way for Harper to fix this and he will always get my vote if he has the balls to do this is raise the GST to 10% and cut income taxes - not temporarily but permanently, enhance investment credits, and offer innovative investment products for alternative energy and infrastructure projects that promote energy efficiency' ****************************************************** Interesting idea. However, as someone in the upper brackets, why would I not make no large purchases here. Why would I not I have my second home in low tax state and buy my toys (boats, cars) there and pay NO state purchase taxes. Others would do the same. Canada is in this world and we have to adjust our fiscal and financial affairs with knowledge of what others do. I believe that if some way could be found to NOT tax corporations (as suggested by Robert Reich in Supercapitalism) I would support it. I believe that Obama is correct when he says upper income earners do not pay enough tax. That is also true in Canada. Taxing income trusts is from an economic point of view a very poor idea and was done to garner votes from people who would have benefitted more from a lower tax rate on low and middle income earners. That would have meant raising taxes on the wealthy which is against the Conservative philosophy. Think it through, Naomi. If Harper gives me a tax cut, I won't spend it and create more employment, I will use it to buy high yielding safe stocks (banks, infrastructure) in this current down market CYMRO
  656. Mark G from Toronto, Canada writes: Why is this paper so partisan? Is this a news story or an editorial? Why can't your 'journalists' be objective and just deliver the facts? Even the by-line stinks of strong centre/left bias.
  657. Doug Dewan from Canada writes: 'Stephen Harper's government opened the new Parliament with an atypical tone of contrition, in a Throne Speech that spoke of compromise and consultation and borrowed phrases from opponent Michael Ignatieff.'

    Does Harper actually ever speak for himself or does he just borrow speaches from everyone else....? Nothing is sincere from that man.
  658. Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville, Canada writes: If the budget passes, it will be on the Liberals' terms; in other words, the Liberals will be running the Country and, of course, they will continue to run the country as Mr. Harper will know that if he does not do their bidding, he will be voted out of office as the NDP and Bloc are just waiting in the wings to do just that.

    Having said that, what is the use of having a Conservative Party in power? Stephen Harper will only last as long as he does the biding of the Liberal Party and I just cannot image Stephen Harper continuing to be so co-operative?? What a mess this man has put this country in!
  659. jack sprat from Canada writes: remember his 'softer' tones when the election ended and then came the November update.

    You can't trust anything about Mr. blue sweater.
  660. little bowpeep from Ya Right, Canada writes: In Alberta, this would be the exact time I would watch my back.
  661. No Coalition from Canada writes: Yvonne Wgernackel: If the budget passes, it will be on the Liberals' terms; in other words, the Liberals will be running the Country and, of course, they will continue to run the country as Mr. Harper will know that if he does not do their bidding, he will be voted out of office as the NDP and Bloc are just waiting in the wings to do just that. Having said that, what is the use of having a Conservative Party in power?

    Well Yvonee, the Liberals only have 70 seats...and the Conservatives well over double that.... so you have a pretty twisted view of reality. The use of having a Conservative party is to fight off wing nuts like yourself, that should never, EVER, have access to the public purse strings.
  662. No Coalition from Canada writes: Remember...it only takes 10 floor crossers to give the conservatives a majority. I will wager on that happening before the left ever assembles a coherent and responsible government.
  663. s c from Canada writes:
    Over the past few years we have had leaders of all major parties that refused to work together. Partisan politics were more important that active in the best interests of Canadians.

    It appears that two party leaders are starting to turn the corner - harper and ignatieff. Both seem willing (for now) to work with each other for canadians. This should be viewed very favorably as there two parties represent the vast majority of voters in almost all past elections.

    Hopefully, this is a true new direction rather than a tempoary blip for both leaders and both parties.
  664. Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville, Canada writes: When I read all the rants about Harper at this time I think of all the nasty ads he put out about Dion, a man of integrity who had never done him personally any harm; he literally destroyed this man politically. Remember the old Canadian cliche - WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. I must say, I feel quite elated at this time and I hope his government falls, because he is the most divisive prime minister this country has ever had, with quite a few provinces unhappy with his services. He has caused so much hurt, e.g. putting down Ontario as the worst place to invest, reneging on his contract with Newfoundland, etc.: How can you trust this man when he goes to Europe and voted Pro-Israel against the Palestinians; even the United States did not do that, they just refrained from voting. He is (even in his own caucus) the lone voice crying in the wilderness to crucify a young man who was 13 when his father dragged him into a war area and through him in with the Afghans at 15. Yes, Stephen Harper, your son will pay the price if you truly believe in the scriptures -the sins of the fathers will fall on to the children. Shame! All for power.
  665. billy weathers from toronto, Canada writes: read the national post today even ibbiston has said harper is not
    what he once was will the ctvglobe media stop makin him a poster
    boy.
    heres a note also the harper govt has promised money to the cities in
    06 07 08
    not one cent has flowed from john bairds office not a cent all he has to do is do it wow what pieces of work
    will iggy realize that not a cent will flow from this budget if it passes into law
    we shall see
  666. Dave Jansen - The Progressive Centrist from Canada writes: .

    Is there anything that the conservatives do that is 'original' any more?

    They seem good at borrowing things from everyone and trying to take credit for it.

    What is it the conservatives stand for these days anyway?
  667. Stan L from Canada writes: Actions speak louder than words, the release of all that PR spin against spending shows that Harper has every intention of continuing along the route of politicizing this issue. If he wanted to demonstrate respect for his fellow parlimentarians and Canadians, the budget details should have been released to the House as a whole where it can be viewed and reviewed in context and in the proper avenue....not as an exercise in PR and spin management.

    In fact, the mere fact that those riduculous coalition attack ads are still on air, belies anything he has to say in the matter.

    As the leader, it's Harper's responsbility to set the tone of the debate in the House and time and time again despite these empty words on his part, he has proven by his actions that he has no intention of setting the standard high...in fact seeting the bar low seems to be a specialty of his.

    As for the speech...all I can say is I hope his hyped overblown FUD doen't become a self-fulfilling prophesy.
  668. Jicoba DeBot from Canada writes: As long as Layton is the leader of the ndp and Liberals side with them and the bloc government will not work. Look at Ice Land, Coalition gone.
  669. Dave Jansen - The Progressive Centrist from Canada writes: Mark G from Toronto, Canada writes: Why is this paper so partisan? Is this a news story or an editorial? Why can't your 'journalists' be objective and just deliver the facts? Even the by-line stinks of strong centre/left bias.

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    Are you aware of any facts that no one else is privy to that support your claim?

    It's easy to accuse the media of being this nasty left-wing machine, but no one is ever able to actually back those claims with anything reasonable...

    BTW - have you ever listened to Talk 1010 here in Southern Ontario? Gloria Galloway basically wears her CPC membership card on her forehead whenever she comes on as a guest of various shows and offers her opinion.
  670. Scared Yet Courageous from Saint John, Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Long Live Stephen Harper. Time for an election so we can get a Conservative Majority and get this Country back on track to once again making it strong not like the laughing stock the Libs and Coax has made of it.
    ..................................
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...........gasp...ha ha ha ha ha ha...choke..sputter....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....
  671. Scared Yet Courageous from Saint John, Canada writes: Pete Sake from Vancouver, Canada writes: Obviously Percy From NL hasn't spent much, if any ,time in the West.
    As for me born and raised there,,, know a lot of how the people of the West have felt for many years after the neglect of past Liberal gov't. It would not take much to step toward separation.
    The big fear of the Quebec referendum was that if it passed then Alberta would be the next to leave. Unfortunately it didn't pass.
    ................Hey Pete, if you hate Canada so much why don't you emigrate to the States?
  672. kotter 49 from Canada writes: I people don't stop this perpetual partisan bickering and work towards some common goals, we are all screwed. Grow up.
  673. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: .
    Mark G from Toronto, Canada writes:

    'Why is this paper so partisan? Is this a news story or an editorial? Why can't your 'journalists' be objective and just deliver the facts? Even the by-line stinks of strong centre/left bias. '
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    You'd have to be awfully far off to the right of the spectrum to view the Globe & Mail as 'centre/left'.

    Quick Quiz:
    Raise your far right hand if you know which party the Globe & Mail endorsed in the last two federal elections.
    If you answered 'The Conservative Party Of Canada', you win a copy of 'The Collected Memoirs Of R.B. Bennett'.

    The Globe & Mail has a 'centre/left bias' only to those whose perspective is somewhere out on the far fringes of the Reform Party.

    Incidentally Mark, the 'by-line' on this article reads 'Campbell Clark & Gloria Galloway'. How is that a 'centre/left bias'?
    .
  674. Shawn Bull from Canada writes: Harper for Prime Minister!!
  675. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes:
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    Rick McNaulty from CalgaryOttawa, Canada writes:

    'Dave Jansen - The simple fact you would believe Gloria Galloway is a CPC member display you are STILL a complete wackjob that disgusts real Canadians.

    Have I told you to f@ck yourself latley Jansen? '
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    Gets my vote for stupidest comment ever posted on this Forum.

    We'd love to hear something clever or interesting from you Rick, but we're not holding our breath.
    .
  676. Rick McNaulty from CalgaryOttawa, Canada writes: I am Liberal hear me ROAR!!!!!!!!

    Hahhahahahahahahahaha

    Until 02:00pm Calgary time that is.

    Hahahahahahahahahaha
  677. Rick McNaulty from CalgaryOttawa, Canada writes: Scared Yet Courageous from Saint John, Canada - It's not that Albertans hate Canada tough guy, its we hate freeloading scumbags.

    You know guys like you and your pal Percy from NL.

    Get it Scared? No? You will when real Canadians stop financing your sorey a$$.

    Dave Jansen from Toronto why do continue to support admitted thieves? How many more elections until Liberal scum pay back the money they stole Dave?
  678. Alfie Didn't Choke.... Like Really... from Canada writes: Thanks Naomi, yes Harold K you are twisting my words. Fixing a failing bridge is different than building more bridges and wider roads to Ft. MacMurray to fund that environmental foreign-owned catastrophe.

    Investments in sustainable technological and environmentally sound businesses, research education and training are the keys to a sustainable future that can withstand market cycles, such as we're seeing today. Think if you took 30B and put it into these subjects as a foundational element for our country's future, where we'd be in 5 years? Or 20?
  679. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: 'Actions speak louder than words, the release of all that PR spin against spending shows that Harper has every intention of continuing along the route of politicizing this issue'

    I have to say I'm disappointed in the Liberal posters. I though that you would at least give Harper a chance to prove he has changed his stripes. After all, you were much more generous when Mr. Ignatieff had an epiphany and decided that maybe supporting the invasion of other sovereign nations and supporting torture would not look good on the resume of a future Liberal leader. The Liberal posters applauding him for his new enlightened stance and his ability to evolve his thinking made me hope that a similar generous spirit would be given to Mr. Harper.
  680. The Innocent Ghost Of Patrick Whelan from Canada writes: . Rick McNaulty from CalgaryOttawa, Canada writes:

    'I am Liberal hear me ROAR!!!!!!!! Hahhahahahahahahahaha

    Until 02:00pm Calgary time that is.'
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    '2:00pm Calgary time that is'.

    What's that Rick, the announcement of more lay-offs at the tar sands projects?

    Oh, no, I get it. That's when Harper will unveil the Liberal budget!

    How do you feel about Canada now having five centre-left parties Rick?
    .
  681. john locke from st kitts, Canada writes: I think Iggy is smart enough to except this budget,after all his future depends on it.As for Jack it do not matter what he does,hes in a lose..lose situation,back to low rental housing for him..Harper has to learn to compromise with the libs in doing so both parties together can help get the country out of this mess, that was caused by all parties just for power,not for the country
  682. Dude, where's my Canada? from Canada writes: Softer tone but still no credibility. Boo Harper!
  683. Stan L from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: 'Actions speak louder than words, the release of all that PR spin against spending shows that Harper has every intention of continuing along the route of politicizing this issue' I have to say I'm disappointed in the Liberal posters. I though that you would at least give Harper a chance to prove he has changed his stripes. After all, you were much more generous when Mr. Ignatieff had an epiphany and decided that maybe supporting the invasion of other sovereign nations and supporting torture would not look good on the resume of a future Liberal leader. The Liberal posters applauding him for his new enlightened stance and his ability to evolve his thinking made me hope that a similar generous spirit would be given to Mr. Harper. =============================================== Apples and Oranges....and simply a cheap way to bring an out of context semi-point into the mix. But to answer the question....no, Harper gets no chances (from me anyway) I gave him a chance when he said he wanted to cooperate when he first got elected...only to be dissapointed with the cheap attack ads, I gave him a chance when he prorogued parliment becuase in a petualnt fit of pique he supposedly couldn't smash his crime bill through the Senate, I gave him a chance when he prorogued parliment yet again and claimed the parties were disfunctional despite the fact that he had either muzzled or sued anyone who spoke against him....and continued with the attack ads, I gave him a chance in the election with his blue sweater only to have to hear that garbage of an economic update......I am done with Harper's do-overs.....and If Iganteiff has any patience with him....then he is indeed a much better man for the job.
  684. Stan L from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes, 'Oranges....and simply a cheap way to bring an out of context semi-point into the mix. ' Lol! Well speaking of cheap points, at least have the honesty to admit that you gave Harper none of the chances referred to in your post. You've been pretty much on the anti-Harper bandwagon from the beginning. As for oranges, I was just making the point that it is somewhat hypocritical for Liberals to bend over backwards to embrace Ignatieff's change of heart. I know that that's the way politics works but I was expecting a little bit more critical look at the new Liberal leader given all of the posts that refer to Harpers' supporters as sheep. ===================================== Actually....false, although I am typically a Liberal supporter I am not always one, I too was disillusioned by the mess in the Liberals in 2006....I did indeed give Harper the benefit of the doubt despite my concerns with not knowing very much about him. As for Igantieff's change of heart? a change of heart is OK, Igantieff honestly approached it, admitted it and moved forward.....it is OK for politicians to evolve and grow and change provided they are doing so in an honest and forthright way, I can easily accept a poltician who thought one thing at one time and changed (provided it is not to serve a power-grabbing 'I'll say what can get me elected ' agenda).....Harper has never demonstrated a similar act.....hence the lingering questions regarding 'hidden agenda'......
  685. 1 Canadien1 from Canada writes: Canada's Conservatives should go the way the Howard conservatives went in Australia and the Bush conservatives went in the USA. While the rest of the world basks in the hope that their future is full of hope we in Canada have to deal with a schizophrenic leader. As conservatives world wide have witnessed, divinity has nothing to do with politics. The only hope I have is that Harper's tight fisted, power hungry, incompetent group is thrown out of office soon.
  686. Systemic Risk from Canada writes: Still Learning at 78 - it's Spain actually. And the 407 was really just an asset sale done to give the government a big cheque - no deal like that will be good for the taxpayer once the initial cash is spent (though arguably it is good for people that don't use the highway since none of their tax dollars will go to maintain it over 99 years). Anyway, the interesting think is that every new hospital being built in ON is being done as a P3 - the builder is financing the project and maintaining it for 30 years. These projects are being delivered quickly and on budget, and the contracts allow step in rights for governments if the private sector failed to meet any of the performance based measures. ON will probably deliver major new road projects this way too - though through an 'availability payment' structure rather than road tolls (or possibly a mix).
  687. Rick McNaulty from CalgaryOttawa, Canada writes: Stan L - You sound very angry and bitter.

    Music to the ears of real Canadians.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Someday the Liberal Party Of Toronto will reurn Stan but not for another seven or eight years.
  688. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes,
    'Oranges....and simply a cheap way to bring an out of context semi-point into the mix. '

    Lol! Well speaking of cheap points, at least have the honesty to admit that you gave Harper none of the chances referred to in your post. You've been pretty much on the anti-Harper bandwagon from the beginning. As for oranges, I was just making the point that it is somewhat hypocritical for Liberals to bend over backwards to embrace Ignatieff's change of heart. I know that that's the way politics works but I was expecting a little bit more critical look at the new Liberal leader given all of the posts that refer to Harpers' supporters as sheep.
  689. steve melles from Canada writes: Wow, now there is 710 comments
  690. Blaque Jacque Shallaque from Canada writes: Well, actually, 711.
  691. john dancy from Canada writes: Stan L, I guess Mr Ignatieff, did not change so he could get elected? Did he change for his father, no he hates him. His brother, yes he has a brother. He does not even acknowledge his existence.
    I read his book about his family......you should too.
  692. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: _Stan L from Canada writes: 'Actions speak louder than words, the release of all that PR spin against spending shows that Harper has every intention of continuing along the route of politicizing this issue' I have to say I'm disappointed in the Liberal posters. I though that you would at least give Harper a chance to prove he has changed his stripes._ >>>> You don't get it: It is PM Harper's past patterns of behaviour -- which strongly attest to his CHARACTER -- that lead non-conservatives to distrust him. He clearly has a significant adolescent streak, best characterized as "passive-aggressive": bully, manipulate, appease (though he would consider it standing up for conservative principles)... bully, manipulate, appease, Repeat Repeat... - **Clearly we cannot expect the Harper gov't to actually do what it does not believe in - we are being manipulated and appeased at the same time!* -- cool - The good news: Though Iggy will have to support this budget, he now has a blue-print to hold the govt to account - close accountability!! Expect a LPC govt within a year.
  693. Harold K. from Windsor, ON, Canada writes: Alfie Didn't Choke.... Like Really... from Canada writes: Thanks Naomi, yes Harold K you are twisting my words. Fixing a failing bridge is different than building more bridges and wider roads to Ft. MacMurray to fund that environmental foreign-owned catastrophe.

    Investments in sustainable technological and environmentally sound businesses, research education and training are the keys to a sustainable future that can withstand market cycles, such as we're seeing today. Think if you took 30B and put it into these subjects as a foundational element for our country's future, where we'd be in 5 years? Or 20?

    >>>>>> Alfie, I stand corrected - your additional explanation is definitely something I agree with.

    The stimulus spending must be carefully spent and monitored constantly to avoid waste and corruption.
    Much of that will be up to the provinces and municipalities.

    However, this all starts with EXECUTION: Will the Harper govt actually DO what it SAYS it will do????

    History, and Mr. Harper's personality style and ideology suggests - very unlikely. It is a shell game - a true CON.

    Cheers.
  694. old gristle from Canada writes: Poor guy, Mr. Harper. Mr. Bulldog hates playing poodle.
  695. Catherine S. from Canada writes: Man - Iggy is really starting to grate on me - with his pompous, arrogant, smug, smirky, attitude. Maybe, just maybe, he should just buckle down and stop thinking about getting into power and start actually thinking about working for us, the schmucks that actually pay his salaries.
  696. Percy from NL from Canada writes: I just had a drink to celebrate the end of right-wing Conservatism in Canada for years to come. Harper has done the deed. He has actually fiscally shifted the Conservatives slightly to the left of the Liberals on our political spectrum.

    It is so ironic that the province which has complained for so many years about that fact that it's values were not represented in Ottawa politics were kicked in the teeth by their own man, the Reformer Mr. Harper. I'm betting that there's probably some in Alberta right now thinking about launching a 'draft Paul Martin' movement.
  697. Phil Gardner from Canada writes:
    As far as Mr. Harper and his fellows go "Believe NONE OF IT !"

    Canadians are ready for a productive Coalition government. Let's roll up the sleeves and let the Coalition get to work just like President Obama is doing south of our border in the United States.
  698. Curly Maple from havenotsville, Canada writes: "The sleep of reason breeds monsters." --Goya

    or conservatives....
  699. Fuzzy Bare from Canada writes: Percy, it sure was nice to Premier Danny on CTV National News. Danny was whining and complaining about N&L losing .5 $Billion in equalization, that he thought N&L were entitled to. You would think a smart? person like Danny would know that when a provinces finances improve, equalization goes down. The money goes to more deserving provinces. N&L with all their oil and gas money are no longer a have-not province and should be paying out some of their riches to other more deserving maritime provinces. Danny appears to have a heart a size smaller than his little pinkie. Danny and Jack Layton seem to have attended the same charm school.
  700. Walter K from Victoria, Canada writes: Harper's words may have softened but the Three Stooges are still with us.
  701. Fuzzy Bare from Canada writes: Phil Gardner, that coalition of a dipper and a separtiste led by a Highbrow is more like a nightmare than a dream. Any comparison with Obama is far-fetched and borders on the ridiculous.
  702. D Peters from Alberta, Canada writes: I think it would have been cheaper to just keep the $1.95 a vote thing to start with and we could have saved 50-60 billion dollars.

    Oh ya...the coalition was about something else....ummm...what was it again...2 months off and I forget now?
  703. m reid from Canada writes: Spineless Iggy and company will pass this budget and Harper will still be Prime minister. Looking forward to many more years of asinine comments from all you lefty dingbats. The coalition of the retarded, how typically Canadian.
  704. okanagan pakman from Canada writes: "conservatism"...whatever the he11 that is....has officially become extinct...thank-God...now go away
  705. Brenton E. from Canada writes: okanagan pakman from Canada writes: "conservatism"...whatever the he11 that is....has officially become extinct...thank-God...now go away
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    that is assuming these conservatives are speaking the truth and you know what they say about assuming.
  706. D Peters from Alberta, Canada writes: M Reid:

    Thanks for the laugh, that "coalition of the retarded" is so true and hilarious. It ranks right up there with a reporter that said that Harper had "perogied" the HOC.

    LMAO

    Thumbs up..:)
  707. My Name is Jack and Iggy Can't Be Trusted from Black Mud Creek, Canada writes: Phil Gardner from Canada writes:
    As far as Mr. Harper and his fellows go "Believe NONE OF IT !"

    Canadians are ready for a productive Coalition government. Let's roll up the sleeves and let the Coalition get to work just like President Obama is doing south of our border in the United States.

    Yeah right on, if we could only have the coalition they would be willing to spend as much per capita as Obama in the states to get us out of this damn depression.
  708. Gerald McIvor from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Now just watch the Harperites go on a spending spree for more sweaters. The sweaters will probably all be labelled "made in the USA". The best and probably only hope the Conservative/Reform/ Alliance Party have in getting re-elected is getting rid of Stephen Harper and replacing him with a human being! Jim Prentice must now step up to the plate and assume the position as party leader. The next federal election will be a vote against Stephen Harper as most Canadians are now blaming him for the chaos we are currently in. The renewed wave of Quebec separatism has been sparked by Harper and his caucus in a desperate tactic to cling to power. They have ignited a unity crisis and have kept all Canadians in the dark of the impending global economic collapse. He has sold out the Conservative principles and the substantial decrease in political donations and subsequent low Conservative support at the ballot box will show Harper and Flaherty must go. But realistically do the Conservatives need to wait until the eleventh hour to do this...Harper must go now before it is too late!!!! Or is it?????

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