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  1. James Young from Brantford, Canada writes: It is hard to believe the combined Navies of the world cannot stop these attacks on world shipping. Amazing!
  2. Chris G from Ottawa, Canada writes: Could not a convoy system be created around the waters of Somalia for vital shipping? It helped Allied shipping in WWI and WWII against u-boats, which were much nastier adversaries. In theory, it would make better use of the few naval ships in the region and discourage attacks against high-value targets. If the pirates have nothing more than machine guns and RPGs, they'd be out-gunned by almost every ocean-capable military vessel on the water.
  3. Don Adams The Centrist Conservative from Canada writes: IMO, If, when the Brits had captured the ship, and the pirates, they had just chucked the pirates overboard to feed the sharks, had made videos of the action and sent those videos into Somalia, there would be a whole lot of men have seconf thoughts about becoming pirates.

    But I expect there'll be complaints about my opinion from the Holier Than Thou types, and this post will get scrubbed :-)
  4. Dragline 62 from GTA, Canada writes: 'The Sirius Star was seized 450 nautical miles southeast of Mombasa, far beyond the gangs' usual area of operations. It was believed to be anchored near Eyl, a former Somali fishing village that is now a well-defended pirate base.'
    =================================================== The solution is simple enough. Launch a massive airstrike against any ship floating in this harbour. Then if they want to hijack ships they'll have to swim out to them.
    Take this base out. Obliterate it from the face of the planet as a message to other would be pirates.
  5. Don Adams The Centrist Conservative from Canada writes: Dragline 62. Admirable solution, sir. I concur :-)
  6. Alex Yaxmos from Canada writes: Tell the residents of Eyl to leave, give them some time and then blow it off the face of the planet. It's time to get medieval on these pirates.
  7. gerhard beck from Canada writes: According to Spiegel.de the pirates threatened the Indian frigatte as they were approached for inspection. The Indians fired back and caused an explosion and fire on the pirate ship. Well done! What about all the other ships in the region? As it is sharks need feeding! 25 mm cannons can do wonders. Put some on a few ships hidden behind camouflage and let loose at any boat that approaches, dont save anyone from them and watch how fast those SOBs disappear.
  8. Dick Garneau from Canada writes: Arm the merchant ships with surface to surface missiles, Shoot first ask questions later.
  9. della baird from vancouver, Canada writes: dee vancouver: it amazes me less and less the lengths jobless and hungry people will go to. with the state of the ever worsening world. these actions will be entitled kids play soon. unfortunately, a lot of them are kids, but hungry to begin with. what a catastrophic time to live in. sad X's 50
  10. SB from Ontario from Canada writes: This is so stupid and with so much advancement made with Military and Surveillance Technology that we can't even track and handle these low life pirates from Somalia. It is very easy these days with effortless intelligence to find out where these pirates are coming from and where they live. There are two ways to handle this situation.

    1. Put international presussure on Somalian Govt to handle and contain it. Which I know will do absolutely nothing.

    2. Do like the U.S. did in 1993 when Bill Clinton ordered strikes against some Somalian Military Sites. Well in this situation strike the areas where these pirates are living the high life.

    3. Have some international forces to deal with it on the Sea and gun these pirates down simlar to what the Indian Navy did.
  11. Tony Mareschealle from oakville, Canada writes: Now is the time to deploy the use of yhe UAV's such as the Predator to deal with this.

    Pirate vessels to be destroyed on sight.
  12. Anita - from Toronto, Canada writes: Well done India!
  13. Old Edmonton Man from Edmonton, Canada writes: A good navy is an effective navy. It seems the Indian Navy is the best in the world.
    Well done, India.
    U.S., move over.
  14. John Dixon from Vancouver, Canada writes: I think the shipping companies need to put a half dozen RPGs and some 50 cal rifles on each ship. Anyone pulls up alongside, put a couple rounds over their bow, if they don't bugger off, blow them to bits.
  15. Instead of ABC it's BBD (buh bye Dion) from Canada writes:

    Aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!
  16. Bill Smith from Canada writes: This is getting to be a joke. These clowns have beaten all the high tech navy's of the world? And they're going to protect us from all the various terrorist groups around the world? We're in big trouble. I fully agree with the poster suggesting these large ships move in convoy's, protected by mercinaries if needed. Surely the shipping companies could purchase the type of boats needed to protect their ships.
  17. Michael S from Canada writes: The solution is rather simple. Yet, all of the currently involved countries are 'civilized' and are afraid of initiating what needs doing with the force needed to eliminate these people. When will countries realize that there are no 'rules of engagement' regarding war, piracy, and the like. Weapons exist to deal with this problem today. Use them.
  18. gerhard beck from Canada writes: SB from Ontario, I agree, but you forgot that there has been no effective Somalian government for years. This is a lawless bunch and deserve to be treated as such.
  19. A. Nonymous from WorkerVille, United States writes: One submarine, it need not be the newest in the fleet.

    One torpedo, it need not be the newest MK-V

    One will hit...one will be enough...
  20. Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: Where is Blackwater when you need them?
  21. Winter of Discontent from Ottawa, Canada writes: NATO, EU, Russia, India, China and the Persian Gulf countries need to have a concerted effort to do the following:

    1. Blockade the Somali coastline

    2. Search/hunt for all known pirate ships, bases, ports

    3. Destroy them all, whether through naval power, missile strikes or boots on the ground

    4. Choke off the entire Somali piracy within 6 months and then turn to the unreported piracy occuring in the Indonesian-South East asian waters

    Of course to place a few subs to track and then sink the Somali pirates is an idea to. Iran, Russia, US, Britian, France, China, India, Israel could supply a sub or two to accomplish the goal... then again they'd rather posture at one another then work together.
  22. Don Adams The Centrist Conservative from Canada writes: No, IMO, a sub blowing the boats up won't have enough effect. Not enough FEAR FACTOR. What will bring about the needed Fear Factor is videos of the buggers being thrown overboard, or forced to walk the plank and jump, and the resultant red hue of the previously blue ocean, broken only by black fins cruising!.

    Powerful imagery.

    Amazingly, knowing how Jim Shepard, the editor of these posts and protector of politically correct speech, thinks and acts, my last post is still there.

    I wonder if this one will hang around awhile too :-)
  23. Winter of Discontent from Ottawa, Canada writes: Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: Where is Blackwater when you need them?
    Posted 19/11/08 at 8:44 AM EST

    With the coming Obama administration, I'm sure the Blackwater Corp will be winding down some of it's activities and opting to a new venture for a well-paying oil producing company which is NOT happy with it's ships being captured by pirates.

    I've never heard of the Saudi's actually negotiating with pirates... only obliterating any threat to the Saud Kingdom. This piracy will be a boon for the mundane ops some mercenary/private security companies have been dealing with for awhile.
  24. gerhard beck from Canada writes: A.Nonymus, have you seen pictures of the dhows and small motor boats? Torpedoes are useless against them and a waste of money, fast firing guns work a let better than submarines.
  25. Shannon White from Canada writes: The article states that 'The sharp increase in attacks at sea this year off the poor and chaotic country has been fuelled by a growing Islamist insurgency onshore – gun battles broke out again in Mogadishu on Wednesday &8211; and the lure of multi-million-dollar ransoms.' There is no evidence for this. What's more, anyone who knows anything about the 'country' knows that Eyl and the pirates are located in Puntland, a self-administering somewhat stable part of north-eastern Somalia. Southern Somalia, where the Islamic Courts Union is active is practically a different country, and has no reported pirate bases. By the look of the story, a no-nothing editor stuck this paragraph into the story to try and establish some 'relevance'. Nice going, fella. Think about it. If the Islamic Courts Union was behind this, wouldn't there be some pirated ships in some of the ports they control?
  26. EX Forces Ampuroid from Canada writes: A System, ENGAGE! A System, SHOOT! Problem solved
  27. Calgary Alberta from Canada writes: I agree with all the posts here on this subject.......

    But please tell me again what is the difference between these pirates and our loved and so famous 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid'
  28. James O'Keefe from Back in the Big Smoke, Canada writes: Misleading headline - only 1 sentence of the report talked about the Indian Navy sinking a pirate ship. Guess they had no info on it. Therefore misleading headline.
  29. Bill Needle from Canada writes: The blood lust runs high today.
  30. Michael Rudin from United States writes: Calgary Alberta from Canada says what is the difference between these pirates and our loved and so famous 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' butch and company were romanticized long after their death by a movie. You forget they were hunted in the US, left while being chased, went to South America and were killed by the police. How romantic. The same fate should befall these pirates.
  31. Bill Foonman from Jacksonville, United States writes: A simple solution. Throw the rulebook out and give the residents of Eyl 24 hours to leave town and then flatten it - firstly taking aim at the million dollar homes built by the pirate leaders. No town, no port and no infrastructure to support the pirates.

    The Somali 'government' doesn't exist so other nations must do the job for them.

    As far as the rules go, how can we discuss 'rules' when we are talking of pirates?
  32. TONY S from Canada writes: At last! A country with a navy powerful enough!
  33. Calgary Alberta from Canada writes: Amazing how more simple solutions are coming from my US friends today.

    Back to the movie, anyone there who would make a movie 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' with these pirate kids playing lead roles.

    I think the original movie dialogue 'I cannot swim' will look really funny when spoken by a young pirate trying to board a tanker in the middle of an ocean. Or maybe it only looks good on bank robbers.
  34. Justa Soldier from East of the Mississippi, United States writes: A. Nonymous from WorkerVille, United States writes: One submarine, it need not be the newest in the fleet.

    Sorry, no can do. The Canadian sub is in drydock for repairs.
  35. Shaun J from Some City, Canada writes: Not that i'm supporting these pirates, but does anyone else find it interesting that the low tech methods are easily trumping these high tech nations?
  36. R W from Canada writes: Winter of Discontent from Ottawa, Canada writes: NATO, EU, Russia, India, China and the Persian Gulf countries need to have a concerted effort to do the following:

    1. Blockade the Somali coastline

    2. Search/hunt for all known pirate ships, bases, ports

    3. Destroy them all, whether through naval power, missile strikes or boots on the ground

    4. Choke off the entire Somali piracy within 6 months and then turn to the unreported piracy occuring in the Indonesian-South East asian waters
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    No matter how much naval power you have, these pirate ships are not easily identified. They are likely just fishing boats amongst thousands of fishing boats along that coast. You would need to catch them in the act. Plus the locals are in on it or dependent on it, so nobody is going to squeal.
  37. Rollie Beethoven from Canada writes: The responsibility to police this area lies with the world's navys. Pirate activity is nothing new - here it has been going on for years - even before the first Iraq war. Primarily back then the pirates directed their activities towards pleasure craft owners as they were an easy mark and most carried some cash on board. However, with any lucrative business they progressed and got their hands on better weapons, faster boats and in essence became more adventurous. Now the world shipping business is paying the price with pleasure boat operators seeming to getting a free pass. The net result? Businesses will force the world navys to put a stop to it and within a year I foresee no more pirate activity in this area. Hopefully they will all be erraticated by then.
  38. jay bow from ny, United States writes: indian war mongers!! typical! why can't they sit down and discuss this rationally like obama will
  39. d rex from The Belafonte, Canada writes: where's Steve Zissou when you need him???
  40. sam johnson from Canada writes: it has to be done! get rambo! tell schwartzeneggar he's needed here!
    five huge suitcases filled with pistols, grenades, big sharp knives, ammo, more guns, ammo (again), bandoliers of 50 caliber, more big sharp knives, and guns, etc. etc.
    those cases are heavy. anyhow these two dudes'll do it all in before you can get through your drum of popcorn and the ten litre pepsi.
  41. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Many comment that today's navies should be technologically advanced enough to wipe these pirate ships off the surface of the oceans ... and they are. A single vessel from the Canadian or US navy could easily take out multiple pirate ships simultaneously without a thought.

    However, the problem with such actions by said navies is the backlash that would be levied by the North American public and MSM. Can you imagine what would be reported and discussed publically, by those 'in the know', should the US destroy a pirate vessel (presumably resulting in multiple deaths)? It is now public policy that the US is guilty until proven innocent. It would be the same case with the Canadian Navy. It would villified for not first trying to rehabilitate the pirates ... I mean the 'victims of exclusion'.
  42. Alex Kwong from Toronto, Canada writes: Maybe its time to bring back the armed merchant cruiser like in WWI; take a few innocent looking fishing boats and armed it heavily and lured the pirates in to attack......problem-solved.
  43. From the wilds of suburbia from Burlington, Canada writes: Call me naive. I don't understand how anybody can sneek up on a huge tanker in the middle of the ocean. You should be able to see anyone coming for miles (unless its foggy of course). Obviously it can be done. As a solution, how about avoiding the shipping lanes where these pirates hunt and post an armed watch. When it looks like pirates are attacking blow them up. I realize it costs money to hire security people but it costs a whole lot more to pay a ransom.
  44. Anita - from Toronto, Canada writes: NY Times has way more info about how the Indian navy sunk the pirate ship.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/world/africa/20pirate.html?_r=1&hp
  45. Paul F. from ON, Canada writes: I think they should put the UN in charge to resolve this crisis...ha,ha,ha,ha (sorry, I couldn't help myself).

    BTW: To the UNHRC: Fantastic ceiling! Kudos to Spain for money well investing in the world's poor.
  46. Shawn W from Toronto, Canada writes: Enough already. Action should be taken against Somalia and its 'government' that doesn't seem to be doing anything about crime on the high seas. Bomb them back into the stone age for all I care.
  47. Ms. DeMommies from Canada writes: Amazing comments here. Let's think for a minute or two. Those so-called PIRATES are in their own territorial waters off the coast of Somalia. You know, something like the insurgents in Afghanistan for comparison. Are they considered PIRATES because they will not allow ANY aid to the Simalian military to just float into their waters with arms and supplies to massacre the people? Must be.

    I remember when the Cdn navy fired a shot across the deck of a Portuguese fishing trawler that was outside our 200 mile limit. Funny we don't call the Cdn. Navy pirates? Or do we??
  48. PC Montreal from Canada writes: 'No ransom has been demanded so far for the Saudi supertanker Sirius Star...'. In other news oil is below $54/barrel. Perhaps these entrepreneurial pirates are holding out for the price of oil to go up so they can maxamize profits?

    Okay, okay, not funny...
  49. Just a pimento from inside the olive, Canada writes: If you actually want to read about the incident in the title, go to the NY Times.
  50. Fake Name from Canada writes: 'Don Adams The Centrist Conservative from Canada writes: IMO, If, when the Brits had captured the ship, and the pirates, they had just chucked the pirates overboard to feed the sharks, had made videos of the action and sent those videos into Somalia, there would be a whole lot of men have seconf thoughts about becoming pirates.'

    Unfortunately, western government-run military forces consider summary execution a war crime, so they won't do it (I'm not sure why, since pirates are most definitely not covered under the Geneva Convention protections). So practical intimidation will have to come from either non-western navies like India, or from private mercenaries. I like the shark bait concept, although they could switch it up and keel-haul a few of the pirates for variety.

    The other option I like would be using remote-controlled bait ships rigged to release one of the nastier nerve gases if boarded, or just wiping Eyl off the face of the map from the air. I'm sure Saudi Arabia could afford to finance Blackwater assassins to make an example of the pirates who took their tanker, too. Even if they have to pay the ransom, the appeal of lots of money diminishes if you know there's a fairly good chance you'll only have a week or two of life left in which to spend it.
  51. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: I agree with Don Adams on this one. In the old days, pirates were thrown over-aboard or hanged, virtually as a matter of course, pour decourage les autres.

    Sink on sight. Feed the fish. The cost-benefit analysis will soon shift.
  52. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Calgary Alberta from Canada writes: I agree with all the posts here on this subject.......

    But please tell me again what is the difference between these pirates and our loved and so famous 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid'
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    One was a movie with big stars and the other real life.
  53. Calgary Alberta from Canada writes: PC Montreal from Canada writes: 'No ransom has been demanded so far for the Saudi supertanker Sirius Star...'. In other news oil is below $54/barrel. Perhaps these entrepreneurial pirates are holding out for the price of oil to go up so they can maxamize profits?

    Okay, okay, not funny...

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    Hey PC that was funny. And while they are waiting probably a movie and book deal will also come in...........

    While we are at Pirates, can we also please do something about internet pirates who steal credit card information, identities and are more threat these days than these Somali pirates. Where is the outrage against them. They are trying to invade our accounts on a daily basis..................

    This is a crazy world we live in.
  54. Fake Name from Canada writes: ' Ms. DeMommies from Canada writes: I remember when the Cdn navy fired a shot across the deck of a Portuguese fishing trawler that was outside our 200 mile limit. Funny we don't call the Cdn. Navy pirates? Or do we??'

    Well, let's see. Did they take any hostages or demand a ransom? Seems not, so bite your tongue next time you have the inclination to talk trash about our military.

    These pirates are financially motivated. They're willing to kill whoever it takes to steal ships, so it makes no sense to consider any solution other than response in kind, i.e. mercilessly exterminating them in as gruesome a fashion as possible, to scare others out of piracy.
  55. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: I'm still wrestling with the issue of trying to force a tanker to surrender, however, while standing in a whaler, armed with an AK47, or even an RPG.

    What can you really do to a ship built for ocean travel? I bet your RPG wouldn't even penetrate.

    How would you board the thing, or even get close, considering the surf its bound to produce?

    One guy with a .303 would just about 'pirate proof' any decent sized ship, I'm thinking.

    I'm wondering if there isn't another story -- 'inside job' for example.
  56. Just a pimento from inside the olive, Canada writes: I wonder how many of the armchair hawks posting on this thread even know what it feels like when a bomb explodes nearby.

    The convoy idea is among the most reasonable ones here. The question is, given how expensive running a shipping is, whether the execs would prefer to take a chance and just 'run the gauntlet' or have their ship wait a few days (read: lose millions of dollars in lost revenues).
  57. Ms. DeMommies from Canada writes: Fake Name keep drinking the Koolaid. It looks good on you. Trashing our military? hahahaha Yes, let's let them go crazy in Afghanistan and kill at will. All in the name of what exactly?
  58. sam johnson from Canada writes: fake name - show pictures and scare them all away? yeah, that'll work.
    all those grisly photos of hiroshima and nagasaki put all thought of future wars away. that's why it's been so peaceful these past sixty years. are you really that dumb or are you just funnin' us?
    how you coming along with that anthem?
  59. Bill Tweezer from Canada writes: The canadian navy should of stayed i guess our ship was needed elsewhere. They were doing a fine job.
  60. Calgary Alberta from Canada writes: Ms. DeMommies from Canada writes: Fake Name keep drinking the Koolaid. It looks good on you. Trashing our military? hahahaha Yes, let's let them go crazy in Afghanistan and kill at will. All in the name of what exactly?

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    Please be nice to Fake Name. He must be an ex Navy guy. Why else would someone get excited about a Navy that hardly exists........

    Not that that is a bad thing. We do not need any Navy or Army. Let US defend us at no expense as it is in their best interest.
  61. Michael Crowell from Halifax, Canada writes: This will all go away when President-Elect Obama becomes President. In addition, as a bonus a cure for cancer will be announced.
  62. The Wight from Canada writes: From what I understand of the m.o. they swarm the ship with dozens of smaller vessels so mounting a coherent defense is nigh near impossible. That supertanker only had 25 crew to cover a ship as large as a few football fields and at least some of those had to be below decks.

    That tactic of swarming was run in a US Navy war game with a Rear Admiral tasked with simulating the Chinese 'navy', and he sank the entire fleet they sent against him. He lost half his flotilla of little speedboats and fishing tugs, but they couldn't wipe them fast enough to avoid going down themselves.

    If THEY can't protect themselves from this style of attack, how can a merchant freighter or tanker?

    That being said, the 'no mercy' policy when they do re-take the boat would do wonders for recruitment back at the pirate's home base.
  63. Calgary Alberta from Canada writes: sam johnson from Canada writes: fake name - show pictures and scare them all away? yeah, that'll work.
    all those grisly photos of hiroshima and nagasaki put all thought of future wars away. that's why it's been so peaceful these past sixty years. are you really that dumb or are you just funnin' us?
    how you coming along with that anthem?

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    Sam, right on. Talking of anthem, I understand that the anthem of these Somali pirates is 'When you ain't got nothing, you got nothinh to lose'.
  64. B W from Canada writes: and what of the 300 hostages, to the 'blow them up/toss them to the sharks' crowd?

    Seems ridiculous that some convoy system hasn't been put in place - i realize the difficulties of establishing it, since it truly is an international traffic-way, but still, to effectively patrol this massive area like they're trying to do, you need far more ships then they currently have.
  65. andy c from Canada writes: they should set up a blockade near the border of international costal waters near all known pirate ports.

    1. the pirates will have to use up more fuel to manouver around the blockade which will limit the range which these attacks can take place. as long as cargo ships stay far enough away the pirates wont be able to get to them.

    2. if an attack does occur they can intercept the ships as they make there way back to port
  66. Deck Dog from Chester Basin, Canada writes: From the wilds of suburbia from Burlington, Canada writes: Call me naive. I don't understand how anybody can sneek up on a huge tanker in the middle of the ocean. You should be able to see anyone coming for miles (unless its foggy of course). Obviously it can be done. As a solution, how about avoiding the shipping lanes where these pirates hunt and post an armed watch. When it looks like pirates are attacking blow them up. I realize it costs money to hire security people but it costs a whole lot more to pay a ransom. It is easier than you think. These large tankers travel along at about 14 to 15 knots, the small attack boats have a speed of 20 to 25 kts. The tankers have a low freeboard, easy for somebody to climb up a rope that is secured by a grapple hook. When this is done at night nobody sees them. Another tactic used by pirates in South east Asia is to string a thick rope between two small boats and then stretch it out in front of an approaching ship. The ship hits the rope and the pirate boats just come along side easily and don't have to worry about keeping up with a fast ship. The other thing is when a ships Captain has RPG's pointed at the ships accomodations he has a choice, run for it and possibly get some of his crew killed when the pirates fire the RPGs into the accomodations or stop the ship and allow his crew to be taken hostage. To date the pirates have not yet killed any hostages and they have been released. Any deaths of the hostages to date have occured because of medical problems. Now look at the statistics, 21,000 a year go through the Gulf of Aden, 93 ships have been attacked and around 30 hijacked this year. A ships chances of getting attacked and hijacked are low. That is what ship owners and governments are looking at. As long as it costs more to stop piracy than what is lost due to piracy the will to do anything will not be there. I work as a seman and can be sent through these waters so I consider it to be a problem.
  67. sam johnson from Canada writes: michael cromwell - missing dubyah already? too bad about the coffee stains on your robe, but that's what happens when you use a table cloth. got it a little singed while burning crosses? still busy with that 1999 crossword puzzle?
  68. Zug Zwang from Canada writes: Wow. People with way too much of an imagination on this forum.
    Torpedoes (on wooden dinghy's)?...Western troops forcing pirates to walk the plank.....arming merchant ships with SSM's (in plain contravention to the laws of the seas, and thereby giving the pirates the same legally protected right to bear arms on their ships).

    One idea which is sensible, is having a Blackwater or Aegis patrols, or a more coordinated convoy effort. Bravo. Perhaps an actual valid use.
  69. The Iconoclast from Canada writes: From the wilds of suburbia from Burlington, Canada writes: Call me naive. I don't understand how anybody can sneek up on a huge tanker in the middle of the ocean. You should be able to see anyone coming for miles (unless its foggy of course). Obviously it can be done. As a solution, how about avoiding the shipping lanes where these pirates hunt and post an armed watch.
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    I call you naive.
  70. john doe from toronto, Canada writes: more vessels hijacked ?
    again, the solution is to make a show of force and dust the pirates
    and their vessels.
    this will end this nonsense.
    otherwise, they will continue this naval farce and hijack anything that floats in their direction.
    eventually, somalia will have their own naval force made out of all these hijacked vessels... classic...
  71. Dawn from Minnesota from Minnesota, United States writes: Old Edmonton Man from Edmonton, Canada writes: A good navy is an effective navy. It seems the Indian Navy is the best in the world.
    Well done, India.
    U.S., move over. ---- To Old Edmonton Man: The area where the pirates operate is too large for any patrol boats to assure safety. When a vessel in any country's navy encounters a little pirate boat, the navy ship can overcome the pirates. Obviously, nobody is going to propose taking action with an oil tanker full of oil that could result in the ship sinking and all of the oil being released into the ocean. I also congratulate India on their intervention. ----- To Dragline 62 from GTA, Canada: The pirates have already taken a multitude of ships. From a distance, many of the ships that they now possess look like any other ship. The action of blowing up all of the ships in an area would likely result in innocent people dying. As far as throwing the pirates to the sharks, we have to realize that the Somali pirates are not harming the captain and crew of the ships that they seize. This is unlike piracy in the Orient where the captain and crew are brutally murdered and/or thrown overboard. If Somali pirates know that they are going to be killed unless their raid is totally successful, they will likely start killing as well. I think the best measure to have ships travel in a convoy accompanied by a navy ship.
  72. The Middle Finger ..I.. from Canada writes: Pirates. Wall Street Bankers. Captains of industry. What's the difference? At least the pirates are doing something for themselves and aren't asking for bailouts an are keeping the Navy employed.
  73. Kia Raju from T.O, Canada writes: Pay the president of Somalia Nur Hassan Hussein $1M bribe in Euro he will take care of it!
  74. A A from Canada writes: Look at India go!

    I guess the rest of us should get used to seeing Indian and Chinese governments become the defenders of the free world!
  75. Mark From BC from Canada writes: Now that Blackwater is coming to the rescue the piracy problem should be curtailed. The only solution to piracy on the high seas is to kill pirates. Show no quarter. Sink their boats, and if the sinking is close to land machine gun the pirates in the water. If the pirate ship is sunk too far away for the pirates to swim to land, don't shoot the swimming pirates and let mother nature take care of them.

    Why is it that the globe and mail editors sensor and delete postings that advocate solutions that have been proven effective, and are legal under international maritime law.

    Pirates are subhuman scum. It is legal to exterminate them, and probably it would be fun and feel good sending a Somali pirate on a one way ticket to his final judgement
  76. Frank Lee My Dears I Don't Give A Damn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Governments seem to know which ports the pirates operate out of. So, destroy the towns, villages, ports where they operate from. with a concentrated missile strike. Civilian casualties? Big deal. No big loss. Their deaths are on the heads of the pirates.
    Captured pirates, should be summarily executed. No trial. No leniency. A softly, softly approach doesn't work. What they understand is violence, so shoot to kill.
    Yee haa!
    .
  77. desiderio manzanal jr from calgary, Canada writes: 2 million barrels of oil and they did not have security on board to repel the high jackers. Does it make sense when the price of oiil in on the way down.
  78. No Name Necessary from Canada writes: I don't understand either how a huge tanker (and other smaller ships) can't have people posted all along it's sides with heavily armed security. That way one would be able to see some boat approaching and take action.
    A system should be put in place to allow friendly boats to identify themselves...
  79. Mark From BC from Canada writes: Blackwater should outfit their patrol vessel with some tourist cabins, so rich tourists who want to practice their sniping skills can have an adventure vacation.

    A 50 cal, 308 NATO match, 300 Winchester magnum etc have far greater range than the RPG-7 that the pirates use. If one had the money, being legally allowed to take head shots at scum at 1,000 meters could be a hoot.
  80. Wild One from Canada writes: In historic times, the British used to hang pirates in iron cages along the banks of the Thames after first tarring their bodies to make sure they lasted well. Apparently this was a successful dissuasive technique since piracy has not been reported around the British coast for some time. Why not try the same technique in Somali coastal villages? Electric fences surrounding vulnerable portions of a cargo vessel's deck and/or mercenaries on cargo ships authorised to shoot to kill and feed any leftover bits to the sharks might also have a sobering effect on any intending boarders.
  81. sam johnson from Canada writes: mark f from b.c. - you dictated your little post while strutting half-naked, looking in the large bureau mirror. you had a large tumbler of scotch and a cigar clamped between astonishingly white teeth.
    where's dr. strangelove when we need him?

    you gotta get away from all those action thrillas, marky.
  82. Bob Beal from Edmonton, Canada writes: Wild One: At the time you reference, the British also employed pirates. Edward Tech (Blackbeard), Henry Morgan, and William Kidd were all employed as 'privateers,' state-sponsored pirates, at one time or another. So was Francis Drake.
  83. Canadian In Motown from United States writes: Don Adams has it right. Or better yet, throw together some bait ships ladden with explosives and remotely drive them around the area and when someone comes up for a peek EL KABOOM!

    Now that would make for some decent reality television. Much better than marrying a Brady.
  84. Mark From BC from Canada writes: Somalia is a cancer. Unless this disease is dealt with, next hijacking will be Al Queda, and a liquified Natural Gas carrier.

    1> Take the region that pirates in Somalia operate from.
    2> Declare it a gun free zone
    3> Drop in some US Marine and Canadian Forces Sniper teams
    4> Fly predators overhead
    5> Set up bait stations with guns and RPGs at the side of the road
    6> Kill every Somalian with their hands on or near a firearm

    Problem solved.

    I guess the bleeding heart Liberals would be far happier if a Somali Al Queda cell hijacked a LNG carrier and wiped out a western city.

    I think most sane people would prefer my six step solution to the Somali's vaporizing a western city.
  85. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: Don't use my tax dollars to patrol the Suez Canal!!!!!!!
  86. Pro Canadian from Canada writes: They should hold a town hall meeting with the pirates to find out what their real problems are. President-Elect Obama could moderate and talk to them to see if there is a way to find peace. I'm sure when you tell the pirates that everything will be okay, its not their fault that they had to resort to this lifestyle, they'll put their guns and RPG's away. Perhaps a group hug would help and a few kind words. Then we could call FTD and send them flowers too.

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    No port to bring the ships to, no Pirates!! And no you don't tell them 24 hours ahead of time that you're coming. Stealth in the night to simulataneously blow up the Pirates homes and bases. With laser guided munitions and satellite sysytems available, it will be over quickly. ( Didn't you see Patriot Games? If Hollywood can do it so can the coalition forces.)
  87. sam johnson from Canada writes: i think the g&m put out this column to watch all the screwballs tumble out of the woodwork. i've never seen so many kiddies playing with words like play dough (s.b. play duh) and crayons.
    i haven't had such a laugh over such a serious subject. too g.d. funny!
    anyhow, it keeps'em outta the traffic.
    'nuff said.
  88. J Kooman from Canada writes:
    The key words are 'Somali pirates in the Gulf of Aden, in an attempt to hijack an Indian warship.'

    That is how bad things are over there. No wonder the British Navy hesitates to show up.

    I don't blame the British, and it appears world wide effort is necessary to provide the fire power and logisitics required to handle this crisis.

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  89. The Middle Finger ..I.. from Canada writes: No Name Necessary from Canada writes: I don't understand either how a huge tanker (and other smaller ships) can't have people posted all along it's sides with heavily armed security. That way one would be able to see some boat approaching and take action.
    A system should be put in place to allow friendly boats to identify themselves...

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Hi. My name is Ahmed ( ' akmed ' ). I am friendly. Do you want to kill some time together?
  90. The Natrix from Toronto, Canada writes: If everybody were such geniuses in regards to how 'easy' and 'why can't they...', why aren't you all out there pushing those buttons, or commanding the fleet, or directing the 'world' navies?

    Are you going to risk danger just to save a Saudi ship too? Or Chinese one?

    The only way this will work is if there is a global effort and strategy regarding this.
  91. CallofDuty . from Canada writes: James Young from Brantford, Canada writes: It is hard to believe the combined Navies of the world cannot stop these attacks on world shipping. Amazing!
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    The cost of having military might to protect these ships would cost more then the cargo. I'm glad India took a stand on this.
  92. Wild One from Canada writes: My thanks to Bob Beal, who reminds us of the well known axiom it takes a thief to catch a thief. Unfortunately I'd be sceptical about any merchant line inviting the said Somali pirates onboard to shoot at other Somali pirates from a stateroom woindow, even if they came from a different village and/or tribal group. Might be better to limit their employment opportunities strictly to the tarring and hoisting of iron cages part of the operation. Since we're now entering a global recession, lets not forget there are plenty of unemployed chaps in the Balkans who might love an opportunity to get back into the swing of things on the high seas.
  93. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: Pro Canadian from Canada writes:......Stealth in the night to simulataneously blow up the Pirates homes and bases.....

    Ay yes, you have indeed deteced the anti-pirate solution.... send in the ninjas.
  94. NOTAFAN OFTHEFEDS from Canada writes: BRAVO! Good job Indian Navy, lets learn something from you and smoke this scum! PS could you please send some training staff to Canada, so that we can deal with our Urban Gangs!
  95. Mark From BC from Canada writes: Wild One.

    Serbia is a landlocked country. It would be hard to base pirate ships from there.

    When in doubt, blame the Albanians.......
  96. John McMortimer-Boyles from An Undisclosed Underground Location Safe From Nuclear Attack, Canada writes: Whatever gets done with these Somalian pirates, to be effective, is going to have to meet two criteria. 1) It is going to have to be ongoing. Blowing one or two boats out of the water and feeding the occupants to the sharks isn't going to be enough. 2) It is going to to have to be highly effective at intercepting and capturing the pirates. That is, the probability of a pirate getting caught has to be high. If the probability of getting caught is low, there is no deterrent value. You go out to sea to capture shipping, and there is a 99% chance of success, that 1% is just a risk of doing business. If the probability of getting caught is high, say 50% to 75%, and getting caught becomes a deterrent. And if the presence that creates the deterrent is constant, well, a lot of pirates might go into more lucrative lines of business like fishing or farming. If the presence is only there for four to six weeks, well, it won't be long before the problem is right back where it was to begin with. To the people who suggest sending troops into pirate havens like Eyl, you might have a point. If harboring pirates means getting your home flattened, there might be a bit less local support. The Israelis used a similar technique--sending bulldozers to flatten the homes of relatives of suicide bombers--quite effectively. I understand the method worked well for the Israelis, even if it did get them some flack from international human rights groups.
  97. Wild One from Canada writes: PS Sir Francis Drake was not a proper pirate. He was just called one by the Spanish who grew irritated by his habit of taking their treasure ships.
  98. Don Adams The Centrist Conservative from Canada writes: Another solution would be to head down to Louisiana, get Bubba and a half dozen of his friends together, offer them a free hunt.....

    Free guns and ammo, rpg's, bazookas, a couple of free hi speed boats, free transportation to the coast of Somalia, lots of 'shine and fried chicken, and just turn them loose. Keep a resupply boat handy, Bubba and his buds will run out of ammo, 'shine, and chicken fairly quickly,....each day.... but about a week should do it...whole area be free of hijackers..... especially if there was a bounty of $ 1.00 an ear :-)
  99. Wild One from Canada writes: Mark From BC from Canada writes: Wild One.

    Serbia is a landlocked country. It would be hard to base pirate ships from there.

    Duh! There's more to the Balkans than just Serbia. Anyway, my idea was to let someone else steer the ship and just use the mercenaries to shoot at targets. Serbians can manage that, can't they? They never seemed to get tired of it in Sarajevo.
  100. Prairie Boy from Canada writes: This is again a result of very restrictive rules of engagement. The naval forces cannot do anything unless there is evidence of a piracy, ie the ship they stole or the prescence of weapons visible. Every now and then they shoot at the naval vessels and are rewarded with a like result but most of the time, even though they may be the only ship in the area that could be responsible the pirates MUST be allowed to carry on. Change the rules and let the militaries do what they do best..stop bad behaviour.
  101. J Kooman from Canada writes:

    Let us borrow a page from WWII tactics, and send our navy in to do the escort.
  102. Rasputin The Russian Monk from Canada writes: First I would like to echo the sentiment expressed in a previous Post 'WELL DONE INDIA'

    Now, if only the array of Naval might deployed in the area, could be used in a similar fashion, let them do the job they were trained to do and destroy these Pirates wherever they're found.

    The previously mention idea of convoy protection is an excellent suggestion.

    The Pirates' supposed base at Eyl must be eliminated and these thugs should be hunted down and destroyed like the animals they are.

    As long as they are permitted to act with impunity, the world can expect this situation to escalate.

    The ability to destroy this menace is present, all thats needed is the political will. Come on Guys, get your act together and do what needs to be done.
  103. Hugh Draper from Vancouver, Canada writes: Armchair warriors are always a good laugh. They're the first to disappear when trouble starts.
  104. Kevin Desmoulin from Toronto, Canada writes: They should have hunting down these people in the first place, now they play catch up and the pirates are even more bolder.
    With some situations and people, sorry to say it, no mercy.

    They only know power and fear, not respect, Make them fear getting caught being a pirate.
  105. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: R. Carriere wrote a couple of days ago on another thread.... ....''..While no condescension is intended, perhaps it would be very naive to believe that winning A-Stan would close down AQ and stifle the other cousins in various countries spanning not only the Middle East, but the planet...'' ____________________________________________ Those Pirates might not be AQ first cousins, or perhaps a brother-in-law or two like-minded ''family'' but perhaps if it's Saudi oil being shipped, it should be the ''Saudi Navy'' who should protect it in those waters.... If it's some commodity coming from Dubai and other filthy rich Emirates, perhaps they should be in charge of protecting their own ships.... If I remember correctly, it seems that some Canadian Navy vessel was patrolling that particular area off the coast of Somalia for a couple of months.... Correct me if I'm wrong .... For once, I fully agree with Don Adams and sending those pirates overboard just once, to SCARE the others off... I'm sure the Saudis wouldn't have any trouble doing it but NOT a good idea for Brits, Canadians, French, Americans to try that ... Bottom line is that no matter what ChaneyBushCo have been telling us for years, ''bringin' democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan'' is not a cure-all... not at all. -
  106. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Sorry, but once again, my neat little paragraphs disappeared after my comment went through the ''moderator''.

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  107. Tiu Leek from Canada writes: Y'know, it just dawned on me that retaking the oil tanker might be problematic.

    All the pirates have to do is threaten to blow the thing up, oil and all, and that would probably be enough to deter any attempts to retake the vessel.

    Not only is the oil valuable, but the tanker is as well. Lose too many of those ships, and it will take longer and longer to ship oil around the world.

    My guess? The Yanks will do nothing, other than throw some money into the ransom pot.

    Long term though, those tankers are going to need armed escort boats.
  108. John from Oakville from Canada writes: Set up a couple of zones faraway from the Pirates reach with a mini-task force in each zone; each with helicopter borne marines. As a cargo ship passes through the zone a section or even a platoon of heavily armed marines are dropped on the deck, they guard the ship until it passes out of danger area, helicopters pick the marines up, ferry them back to task force to wait for next cargo ship and so on... Cargo ships might even be billed for the service but that is another matter.

    Many nations have marines, this could be a shared effort or revolving tour of duty by several nations at a time. Not sure if logistics could stand the strain; however, simply having firepower on cargo ships would increase the risk to pirates and that woudl be a good thing...
  109. Tiu Leek from Canada writes: 'The Pirates' supposed base at Eyl must be eliminated and these thugs should be hunted down and destroyed like the animals they are.'

    Funny how quickly the armchair warriors are to start demonizing the 'others'.

    I'd just like to remind people that the pirates haven't been killing anyone, just stealing. Last time I checked, that wasn't exactly death penalty worthy.
  110. foreign blue from Canada writes: A couple of observations on the comments here.
    a) Paul J has a very good point at 9:32am. Would we be as gung-ho about killin' 'em if the ship that sunk the pirate's ship had been American, European, or Chinese?
    b) Have Somali pirates at any time shown to be as ruthless towards their captives as we ask our servicemen to be towards the pirates (on this thread)?
    c) Going back to the Saudi tanker story, and all the observations about how Saudi Arabia handles it's affairs- Does no one else find it suspicious that a Saudi tanker destined for the US, carrying 1 days supply of the oil that SA provides NA was captured SO FAR off-shore? OPEC quota cuts are not working, the markets refuse to budge and prop up the price of oil. Could this have been arranged?
  111. Tiu Leek from Canada writes: 'Stealth in the night to simulataneously blow up the Pirates homes and bases. With laser guided munitions and satellite sysytems available, it will be over quickly.'

    Don't forget the sharks with the head mounted laser beams. Those guys are AWESOME!!!!!

    :)
  112. Bob Beal from Edmonton, Canada writes: Wild One: You are wrong about Drake. The Spanish called him a pirate because he often operated as one. As Arthur Herman said in his recent, excellent history of the British Navy: 'Drake had launched the golden age of European piracy.'

    I know a bit about the historical Golden Age of Piracy. I know very little about modern piracy, but it seems to me that many of the solutions and the analyses offered here are very simplistic.
  113. John Galt from Vancouver, Canada writes:

    I do not trust the shipping companies.

    They do not carry the insurance to adequately protect seamen, nor are they inclined to be interested in anything other than their vessels and cargo.

    A close personal friend lost her captain husband in the south China Sea to Pirates that rammed his ship in the night. After a cursory search for the captain and crew they gave up. She had to borrow money from family to expand a private search, hire planes, drop pamphlets all over the Indo Islands and Islets.

    One day there was a response; a raft had been found with two bodies. She still had to hire a small private army to land and repatriate the bodies. Many months later, through dental records it was determined they were the captain and first mate.

    More than a $1M CDN of personal finance later and several failed attempts to sue the International Shipping Company, she gave up and moved on with her life.

    Pirates don't always ask for ransom.
  114. foreign blue from Canada writes: Mark From BC from Canada writes: 'Wild One.
    Serbia is a landlocked country. It would be hard to base pirate ships from there. When in doubt, blame the Albanians.......'
    But Montenegro is not. At the port city of 'Risan' (I think it's called) was known in it's day as a pirates hub. In fact it has a very good natural harbour.
  115. Antonio San from Canada writes: Looks like the Saudis have found another clever way to funnel money towards Al Qaida... or play some international game.
  116. slapdash dapoint from trawna, Canada writes: i keep looking for a company to provide the best adventure tourist experience ever - pirate hunting! - but keep getting nothing.

    no charges of murder on the high seas. that is pretty much the only cruise i would pay to be on: gun boat, 50cal, and a week's worth of ammo. come back with a nice tan and you've done something helpful for the world.

    sign me up, cap'n
  117. Anita - from Toronto, Canada writes: Foreign Blue: The Indian navy (successfully) fended off would-be hijackers. The Indians did not provoke the incident which is why they are being congratulated here. What's amazing is their swift and efficient efforts to defend their ship, given all the pirating in that region. The story on G&M is outdated - go to NY Times.
  118. John Galt from Vancouver, Canada writes:

    What would the world be without mercenaries?
  119. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: foreign blue, you're right about Montenegro....

    However, it seems that the best port in that area is now the new ''haven'' from the Very Rich and Famous and their multi-million dollar yacths... Check it out... Just a while ago, I saw lots of details in the European press and how the Very, Very Rich and Famous who wanted ''privacy'' were deserting Monte Carlo and now moving their floating palaces to Montenegro.

    So, I guess this kind of ''Navy'' would be useless off the coast of Somalia...

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  120. Don Adams The Centrist Conservative from Canada writes: Tiu Leek and Foreign Blue. Prime examples of what is wrong with the world today. So full of wonderful ideals :-) Smoke that weed, chomp them 'shrooms, lie back on a futon, diddlin', staring out the window at a rose coloured sky :-)

    Unfortunality, they also take a time out from their unrealistic existance to post unrealistic blatherings here in the real world. Oh well, they are protected by the Charter (unfortunately) :-)
  121. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: foreign blue writes .... ''Does no one else find it suspicious that a Saudi tanker destined for the US, carrying 1 days supply of the oil that SA provides NA was captured SO FAR off-shore? OPEC quota cuts are not working, the markets refuse to budge and prop up the price of oil. Could this have been arranged? ''
    _________________________________________

    Come to think of it, yes, it does sound very, very suspicious. After what we've been fed the past eight (8) long years, nothing would surprise me...

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  122. nasrollah fesharaki from Canada writes: Indians suffered a lot from pircay with its base at the place where is now famous, Dubai, with local Sheikhs being part of the piracy and so they must have experience how to deal with pirates. But the Somalian Piracy must be seen in a totally different way. It is a shout against the unjust international politics and it is sad to see that the cry for justice in this form is not being heard as it was not heard when they asked for it quietly.
  123. J Kooman from Canada writes:

    The Somali pirates had gathered 36,000 tons of wheat, 2 million barrels of crude, a tanker larger than an aircraft carrier, dozens of Russian tanks, .... and likely million USDs on ransom.

    That is getting out of control. Unfortunately the Australian Navy will be out on vacation during Christmas.

    ...
  124. Dylan Swain from Victoria, writes: There's a lot of bloodymindedness on this forum today. 'Send in someone [anyone but me, that is] and blow up the Pirates [arrgg, Pirates...those desperate teenage pirates armed to the teeth]...wait, what do you mean the Government raised taxes in order to pay for this!!! Frakkin' Government!!!'

    So many armchair warriors, ready to put other people's lives on the line based on a few hundred words in a newspaper.
  125. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: P.S. Montenegro is on the Mediterranean... But... if the Serbs and Montenegrins (Realm of the Serbs and Montenegrins = the two-headed eagle on their flags....lol)

    If they do have some sort of Navy, it's just a short hop from Montenegro, trhough the Suez Canal and down to wherever.... but I very much doubt that the Serbs would be willing to do anything, anything at all to help America... or anyone else, for that matter...

    Their problem is Kosovo....

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  126. Pik Man from Canada writes: What we need are bait boats. Just when the pirates think they have some easy pickings mercenaries pop up and show them what a hail storm of bullets feels like. After a while they will feel nervous about every boat they see.
  127. Jack Sprat from Bug Tussle AB, Canada writes: 'John Dixon from Vancouver, Canada writes: I think the shipping companies need to put a half dozen RPGs and some 50 cal rifles on each ship. Anyone pulls up alongside, put a couple rounds over their bow, if they don't bugger off, blow them to bits. '

    Hey John in WW1, they used to call them Q Ships. Those merchant vessels that looked innocent until the German sub would pull up beside them and the Cargo containers would fold down to reveal some 6 inch guns which would inturn blow the sub out of the water. Maybe they should re-instate this practice here ........ after a couple of botched attemps then the would be pirates would have some serious second thoughts about hijacking a vessel.
  128. Gogh Forit from Canada writes: Bait boats are a good idea and other navies should follow India's lead. However, the Russians and the Brits sunk a pirate-terrorist vessel just the other day. The media for its part should get the terminology right. Calling them buccaneers only romantizes them. Call them by their proper name which is terrorists because what they're doing is exactly what the definition of terrorism is.
  129. Duncan McCockenue from Canada writes: Pirates?!! Ohhhhh... I thought they were talking about Pilates...
  130. Edwin Green from NS, Canada writes: could someone tell me how thay get on ships the deck is at least 20 ft fron the water if not helped on board
  131. Mike Sumners from Toronto, Canada writes: Jihad by any other name would stink as much. These are not pirates, they are muslims engaged in jihad at sea.
  132. Fake Name from Canada writes: ' Canadian In Motown from United States writes: Don Adams has it right. Or better yet, throw together some bait ships ladden with explosives and remotely drive them around the area and when someone comes up for a peek EL KABOOM!'

    No, no, no. Boats are expensive, even bait boats with minimal or no furnishings. Rig them with nerve gas instead; the boat is reusable.

    Besides, the 'excruciating agony' deterrent factor is greater for nerve gas than exploding boats.
  133. Loudan Bellicose from Canada writes: It is racist to fight pirates if they are not white.
  134. foreign blue from Canada writes: Anita writes- 'The Indians did not provoke the incident which is why they are being congratulated here.'
    I do not doubt it. I do think they did what is neccessary, my only issue is that I feel that people would be less likely to believe the American story. Mostly because of bias. That being said I do acknowledge that 'L.B.Murray' does have a point in his 12:08 post.

    Don Adams- which part do you find the most offensive? Or was that a blanket statement that you tossed out there?
  135. Fake Name from Canada writes: 'Dylan Swain from Victoria, writes: So many armchair warriors, ready to put other people's lives on the line based on a few hundred words in a newspaper.'

    Dylan, most governments are not willing to let their military forces act with sufficient brutality to counter the pirate problem. Torture or summary execution of prisoners are considered illegal for the armed forces. This would have to be some sort of mercenary effort funded by the shipping magnates; heaven knows Saudi Arabia could afford it.
  136. John Dixon from Vancouver, Canada writes: Jack Spratt: Yes indeed. My Dad used to tell me a story about when he was a hand on a merchant ship in WWII. They had disguised it as a trawler, but they were running war materiel to UK from Boston & Halifax. They did have a U boat come alongside and check them out once. Unlike most Father-son wartime stories, this one was realistic: There was some firepower aboard, but the crew knew if they tried to use it they would be sunk immediately. They kept it buried under nets and gear. Luckily the sub did not board them and all hands changed their underwear when it slipped away.
  137. Jimmy K from Toronto, Canada writes: These pirates are so stupid.

    If they were smart, they would know to steal as many ships with LCD Televisions, cars, blocks of gold, barrels of money, whatever as they want. As they are doing it, they can indiscriminately kill, main, and hurt as many people as they want, provided none of those people are from Western countries, but under no circumstances should they EVER, and I mean EVER, mess with the oil supply. That will ellicit a reaction.
  138. Long John Silver II from Somalia writes:
    Shiver me timbers!
    Ahoy me hearty buccaneers.
    Avast ye lily-livered landlubber scallywags or find yeself in davy jones locker. We be placin the black spot on ye son of a biscuit eater.
  139. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Jimmy K from Toronto, Canada writes: These pirates are so stupid.
    _______________________________________________

    Perhaps, and then, perhaps not. If it's MONEY the pirates want, where in the world is there MONEY??

    OIL.... There's money in oil .... or there used to be until a few days ago... BILLIONS of profits for Oil Companies.... So, using just your basic Logic 101 would mean that the easiest way to get MONEY is to hijack some oil carrier, carrying oil from Saudi Arabia to Exxon,Mobil,Whatever to the USA

    If those pirates wanted food for the people of Somalia, the rations would be very meagre, or nil....

    No, the pirates want MONEY.... money from the OIL billionnaires, be they from Saudi Arabia, USA, the Emirates, wherever.... they want MONEY

    Now, why should we provide protection for the greedy OIL companies and their cohorts?? They have billions of profits and can well afford to hire ''MERCENARIES'' to protect their oil tankers.

    That's my 2-cents worth for now.

    Thank you all respectful posters. See you back later.

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  140. Pik Man from Canada writes: At this very moment navy seals are converging on that tanker with mini submarines.

    Damn I just blew their cover!
  141. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: P.S.

    Mercenaries would not hesitate one minute before feeding the Pirates to the sharks...

    As far as the navy seals that Pik Man mentions, it is extremely doubtful that navy seals are in that area.... they've got other ''fish to fry'' (wink, wink)

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  142. Pik Man from Canada writes: Long John Silver II from Somalia................... Could you repeat that again more slowly please. No speaka the very goood engliss.
  143. Pro Canadian from Canada writes: Go easy people. Pirates are people too. Don't they deserve compassion?
  144. Bill Smith from Canada writes: Is there no radar system available that would pick up these boats when they are approaching the ships? A blockade set up off the shore where these guy's operate from would help. Once they are out in the open sea it's probably too late. How would they be spotted in thousands of square miles of open seas. I just find it really hard to believe the brains of all the navy's around the world can't come up with a solution. The U.S navy and other's I presume have listening devices they put into the water that can detect subs and other boats for miles. Why not use some technology to deal with this problem?
  145. Mark S Noel from Canada writes: I wonder if there is a Somalia Pirate Mutual Fund I can invest in. It can't be any risker than the TSX.
  146. Kent Lewis from Canada writes: Don Adams The Centrist Conservative from Canada wrote:

    ' a sub blowing the boats up won't have enough effect. Not enough FEAR FACTOR. What will bring about the needed Fear Factor is videos of the buggers being thrown overboard, or forced to walk the plank and jump, and the resultant red hue of the previously blue ocean, broken only by black fins cruising!. Powerful imagery.'

    Sitting home after a hard day of goat herding, clustered around their tv sets, all those up-and-coming pirates will doubtless be on their blackberries and computers in no time discussing schemes of how to market the video to rich white dinks like yourself. They'll also be on their camels spreading the news about what fate awaits wannabe pirates, Mr. Wannabe Machiavelli. Sheer genius. Yawn.
  147. Her Majesty's Ship from Canada writes: Well, its good to see all you people out here talking about action. Mostly, it seems because of your fantasies about fighting pirates. But as is always the case the stupid hippies are out here too trying to promote the 'rights' of these pirates. There are a few of those conspiracy theory idiots too, who can always see some extraordinary angle to a simple story.

    Just like any other band of thugs or crimnals who go about robbing businesses these pirates need to be killed and captured in great numbers for this activity to stop. More than any thing else the bases from which they operate need to be taken care. Cooperation from Somali authorities is a must(if there are any). But until the bases at which the pirates are recruited and to where all the loot and ransom money goes are handled, this issue will continue to plague the shipping lanes in that region.

    Lets keep in mind, there is no justification for piracy, pirates are not desparate they are just greedy.
  148. David Whittaker from Ottawa, Canada writes: It has been known for decades that the Somalian, Eritrean, and eastern Ethiopian regions are loaded with oil. The EU and USA just need public backing to occupy these areas. A stable government is a liability to us. Be patient. it took 17 years for Shell to obtain it's monopoly gas contract with Iraq. In comparison, these pirates are petty thieves.
  149. Kim Philby from Canada writes: In a remotely related story, apparently Al Qaeda's number 2 operative has dissed the President-elect of the U.S.

    But, isn't being insulted by Al Qaeda, like, you know, getting a compliment?
  150. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Captain Jack Sparrow at work again!! That slippery bugger. We should have shot him when we had the chance. Seriously, how well equipped could these pirates be? There was an article on BBC yesterday about the rules of engagement. Apparently people have to first negotiate with these pirates before they can try to boar the vessel and take it by force. It is some UN convention crap. Kill, kill, kill!! Eliminate the b.......s.
  151. Richard Daystrom from Canada writes: Do what was done back in the day: capture a few of the pirates and make them walk the plank in shark infested waters. But now we can post it on youtube for all to see.
  152. HeyBoppaRebop SheBop from Canada writes: Here's an idea. Just as apartment buildings often have water sprinkler systems, the upper part of the hulls of these ships could be rigged with 'pepper spray' systems triggered by motion detectors. As the pirates climb up, they get pepper-sprayed in the face and fall back into the water. Trim the edge of the deck with motion-triggered tasers just in case. That much wouldn't be intensely costly. Third line of defense: the outer rim of the deck is all trap doors that collapse when someone stands on them so that the pirates fall down onto a spring-loaded platform that catapults them out into the ocean. Or, if that last part is illegal, then have the trap doors funnel them down a bomb-proof chute into a bomb-proof holding area where water and food scraps are piped in until they reach port. Then the police come and get them. Rigging a 1000-foot-long ship with trap doors would be expensive, though. These rigged booby traps would be turned on whenever there are no regular crew members in the vicinity. The advantage with having an automated system that would just pepper spray them and/or catapult them back into the water, is that this could all happen while the crew is asleep, so no one would even know (except the pirates).
  153. Fake Name from Canada writes: 'Pro Canadian from Canada writes: Go easy people. Pirates are people too. Don't they deserve compassion?'

    Er ... no?

    Seriously, they forfeited any right to compassion when they decided to kidnap people for money. When the opportunity arises, they should be killed on sight; it's not like they're going to be tried and punished if they're turned over to their home country's jurisdiction.
  154. foreign blue from Canada writes: 'Lets keep in mind, there is no justification for piracy, pirates are not desparate they are just greedy.' Yes they are greedy. But it's one thing to suggest that pirates should be prevented from doing something, it's another to suggest that they 'need to be made an example of' as Donnie A so candidly suggests. I am not going to pretend that I am innocent in my postings. I have advocated a hard-line in dealing with 'the terrorists' of the world. But here's the difference, a terrorist kills indiscriminately and with a insatiable desire to bring hurt and suffering on people they consider inferior to themselves. How any of you can advocate mass killing to prevent theft baffles me. Not when the solution to this sort of behaviour is to sail another 200-400 miles further around the cape. And for those of you who suggest that conspiracy theories (however, tongue in check they might have been) are grounds for dismissing someone as an 'idiot' how would you classify the behaviour of tough talking loons far too easily pleased by the prospect of people being killed near a country in which we have no business anyway? I have yet to read a post in which I see proof of Somali pirates intentionally harming captives. They do not have the means or intent to harm us where we live. We can avoid the problem at a little more cost. Get your heads on straight.
  155. GlynnMhor of Skywall from Canada writes: L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: '...neat little paragraphs disappeared...'

    Posts in excess of a thousand charcters or so will have that problem.

    Cut the post into two or three parts.
  156. shane hashmi from Vancouver, Canada writes: Invading a country under false pretext with a twisted agenda, killing thousands of innocent people and stealing its natural resources is also an act of piracy on an unimaginable scale. This recent incidence of piracy seems far trivial.
  157. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: Good for the Indians and serve the pirates right. Don Adams and Dragline 62 - I have some sympathy for your proposals but there's something like 200 hostages being held by these low-life, there has to be some way to get them out. Apart from that, I'm all in favour of tossing them to the sharks and obliterating their base. The collateral is the problem.
  158. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: shane hashmi - I think that's hundreds of thousands if you're talking about Iraq. Agreed that war was very wrong but so is what these Somali thugs are doing.
  159. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: We should send a trade delgation to this part of Somolia.

    They have real cash not some questionable line of credit.

    What is the worse situation that could happen?

    If they kidnap our government officials, in time (after all the politically correct language coaching ad naseum) they will be too happy to let them go, then we in Canada could in turn pretend we don't know these people, you must keep them.
  160. harry carnie from Northern, B.C, Canada writes: James Young.............Good post.

    There is no doubt the world`s naval potential is there to stop these pirate attacks.
    Our world leaders lack the political will (or the intelligence) to implement it. The usual situation .

    What about the U.N.? *(now that IS funny, is it not?)
  161. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: Then William the politcally correct government civil servant, could in turn become Salty Bob and start really living and earning his own way in this world.

    Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr.
  162. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: What is the difference between Pirates and Auto Exec CEOs from Detroit?

    One group likes rum while the other group prefers champagne.
  163. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: One group commits high seas robbery.

    The other group collects tens of millions of dollars in salary while demanding more money from taxpayers.
  164. W L from Canada writes: Canada was very quick to send our war ships to the Persian Gulf for 'humanitarian' purposes when the US invaded Iraq.

    Now, here's another humanitarian purpose for Canadian war ships. Where's Harper? Not a peep?

    Is he afraid that Canadian warships might by hijacked by the pirates and we can't afford the ransom?
  165. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: W L this is not our fight.

    Now if someone downtown was throwing away free hockey pucks, well boys time to roll your sleeves up and get your elbows out.
  166. Akbar M from Regina, Canada writes: A lot of hullaballoo over this. This is a classic shakedown. Why not negotiate with one of the main pirate outfits to keep order and the shippers pay them a few millions as 'rent' for the route. It would be cheaper than paying pirates every time. This way the pirates police themselves. Outsourcing is the way to go. Why put your own navy in harms way. Just an idea.

    The victims so far have been paying out huge sums of money to get back each ship lost. This seems to be working although it does slow shipping down significantly. There doesn't seem to be any will to fight them even from the ones who have been pirated.
  167. Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes:

    Pirates? Attacked by Indians? Yeah, right!
  168. Black Gold from Corpus Christi, United States writes: Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes:

    Pirates? Attacked by Indians? Yeah, right!

    Why do you find this unbelievable Richard? Or do you think it isn't possible for former colonies of the British Empire to wield their muscle far from their own shores?
  169. Bob Beal from Edmonton, Canada writes: W L: Like many other people, I am intrigued by the piracy situation. I am also interested in things Navy. I can't claim much expertise, but I follow the stories.

    News stories in July of this year reported that Canada had one of the old destroyers, one of the big supply ships, and one of the first-class frigates operating off the Horn of Africa as part of the international effort against piracy. They may still be there; I suppose they are. That is a large commitment by Canada's navy.
  170. Cruz Oiler from United States writes: You do not see Indian ships on Discovery or Military Channel. It does not mean that they do not exist.

    It appears that US navy need to come out of the showcase and do some real stuff.
  171. Cruz Oiler from United States writes: Or may be US Navy was busy doing a training drill somewhere.........
  172. Crimson The-Red from Canada writes: I think Richard was joking in the sense of classic North American Indians, you know Coboys and Indians... only this time Pirates and Indians...

    At least that is how I read his post and then I laughed out loud.
  173. Richard Roskell from Canada writes: Crimson, yup. :)
  174. L.B. MURRAY from !! from Canada writes: Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes:

    Pirates? Attacked by Indians? Yeah, right!
    __________________________________
    Richard, Richard, you're joking, right??
    Of all the people posting here, you're certainly one who knows the difference between ''our Indians'' in North America and the real Indians, in India....

    Those Indians who are so patient, savvy and smart, and have now inherited, thanks to the ChaneyBoooshCo outsourcing, have now inherited gazillions of files, companies, utilities, IT top-of-the-line gagets and so on.....

    Thus equipped, those real Indians, whose President resides in Mumbai (formerly Bombay) or Delhi (I believe it is DELHI).... WELL, those true Indians are very savvy, well educated, and perfectly capable of deploying some device against those obnoxious Somalian Pirates.

    Now, now, people, simmer down and take a couple of deep breaths....and listen carefully the next time you call some 800 or 877 number to complain about your mastercardandvisa charges.... you are talking to some ''outsourced'' representative, straight out of India, possibly in the Bangalore area.

    Good night! Don't stress. Medidate.
    Take a deep breath of two...
    If all else fails, there's always the Rhum or the Scotch!!

    Cheers!

    -
  175. Jim Terrets from Vancouver, writes: You can thank George Bush and the law of unintended consequences for this increase in piracy in Somalia.

    Somalia was starting to build a stable government and society under the Islamic Courts, until Bush enlisted the Ethiopians to invade in 2006 (with the US providing special forces, air power and monetary backing), an invasion which plunged Somalia into chaos and misery. Bush didn't like the fact that an Islamic government was in charge of an Islamic country.

    And lo and behold, what has happened? A desperate people have taken desperate measures. According to the International Maritime Bureau, 'Piracy incidents in Somalia also increased from ten in 2006 to 31 in 2007. ' I'll bet its a record-breaking year for piracy in 2008.

    I say good for the Somali pirates. The world has stood by and watched the US turn stability and hope into chaos and misery, so these pirates are simply karma with a vengeance. So Godspeed Somali pirates, long may your Jolly Roger fly, dry may your powder keep, and strong may your qat be.
  176. Bill G from Calgary, Canada writes: The more pirate ships blown out of the water, the better. Should be standard operating procedure from now on.
  177. Blaque Jacque Shallaque from Canada writes: It beggars comprehension that a bunch of mangy pirates with RPGs are getting away with this unless no one with the ability can be bothered to stop it.

    All it would take a few of those predator drones the US uses in Pakistan to address the matter.

    My guess is that basically none of the world's powers care about this stuff. Why would any sane Western nation want to get sucked militarily into the morass that is Africa?

    And why would the US want to waste money defending the ships of other nations - most of whom are more than glad to insult the US in the UN or other world stages. Let them defend their own shipping.

    If and when a US ship gets hijacked, the Navy Seals will turn those pirates to sharkbait in 6 hours.
  178. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: -bloody marvellous, all these ideas for wiping the pirates off the map for taking ships to get some money for themselves and the people in the villages that are starving. Of course we can't call them Robin Hoodali and his merry Men 'cos those were our schoolboy heroes and were the good guys... But we shouldn't call them scum either - takes a lot skill and courage to capture huge foreign vessels....Not that I am advocating peace feelers, we have to deal with them but not to the extremes that you blood thirsty lot would love to see.

    But before you go up and down the wall of extermination -how is it that not one of you has suggested a similar fate for the robbers who have stolen far more of our money than will ever be collected by said pirates? Is it because their white and devilishly clever? That they probably follow the same politics of the Right that you do? Look around you, pirates are everywhere so next time you read or hear of a CEO of Financial company, or a stock trader or Head of a Bank walking off with an obscene bonus or golden handshake as the world goes down the tube to recession, let's hear your inventive ways for getting rid of them. Fair's fair.
  179. Harbinger from Out West from Canada writes: Anyone think to ask Steven Segal or his screenwriters about what we should do? He sure put the run on the bad guys in the movie "Under Siege". Never invite a pirate captain home for dinner if you are having ribs. Get it? (Difficult to eat ribs with a hook in yer one hand?)
  180. Jo Blo from Canada writes: Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes:

    "Pirates? Attacked by Indians? Yeah, right! "

    Peter Sellers: "My goodness gracious! I'm not that kind of an Indian!"
  181. Bill Tweezer from Canada writes: Bob Beal from Edmonton, Canada writes: W L: Like many other people, I am intrigued by the piracy situation. I am also interested in things Navy. I can't claim much expertise, but I follow the stories.

    News stories in July of this year reported that Canada had one of the old destroyers, one of the big supply ships, and one of the first-class frigates operating off the Horn of Africa as part of the international effort against piracy. They may still be there; I suppose they are. That is a large commitment by Canada's navy.

    They extended the mission but are back home now. Canada used to have one of the worlds biggest navies once, now its one of the smallest in the world.
  182. Polar Bear from Somewhere Cool, AB, Canada writes:
    Gogh Forit from Canada writes: Bait boats are a good idea and other navies should follow India's lead. However, the Russians and the Brits sunk a pirate-terrorist vessel just the other day. The media for its part should get the terminology right. Calling them buccaneers only romantizes them. Call them by their proper name which is terrorists because what they're doing is exactly what the definition of terrorism is.

    ---

    Gogh - I beg to differ.

    These are true pirates (or buccaneers), not terrorists. They are after the booty and/or ransom. Terrorists commit their crimes in the name of creating fear and destruction for a political aim. It certainly doesn't look like these guys have much of a political aim. Just new cars, fancy houses, a pretty girlfriend and all the qat you can chew.

    Just deliver a few briefcases full of unmarked non-sequential greenbacks - or gold doubloons if you have them lying around. Or maybe the modern pirate says just wire it to my Swiss bank account. :-)
  183. K Kal from Canada writes:
    thank you, DONT come again.
  184. SL S from Saskatchewan, Canada writes: Why bother to waste the ammo. Just surround the vessel and let no food on. Wait a month or two and they'll all die a slow and painful death and the boat is fine and can be put back into service
  185. Bruce Rich from Lansdowne ON, Canada writes: A number of possible solutions are posted, including predator unmanned aircraft, convoys, fast attack naval forces etc.

    A key to any of these working is to establish a defined "pirate zone" in the area off Somalia, and then to state that any small surface craft coming within 5 km of any merchant ship within that pirate zone will be fired upon without warning. (If the range of pirate weapons is greater than 5 km, the ring of the "no go" area around merchant ships could be expanded accordingly.)

    Piracy must end before someone - pirate or non-pirate - starts shooting during a boarding or attempted boarding. One can only imagine the human and ecological disaster of a giant tanker sinking.
  186. Neandercon The Barbarian from Canada writes: Nice to see someone else is stepping in where the west in unable or unwilling to act.
  187. Frank Lee My Dears I Don't Give A Damn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Interesting that the US can send in missiles to destroy suspected Taliban targets. Or send a squad of Marines into Syria. But they can't (or won't) do the same with the Somali pirates?
    Hmm. Wonder if Big Oil, shipping lines, etc. are, somehow, involved in notifying these guys about ships entering the zone?
    Just wondering.
    .
  188. DAVID DIVER from Comox, Canada writes: Bill Tweezer from Canada writes:
    Canada used to have one of the worlds biggest navies once, now its one of the smallest in the world.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Somehow the idea of Canada having aircraft carriers, battleships et al seems obscene. I'm happy with the present size, Terrorists' zodiacs notwithstanding.
  189. Thomas Morris from New York, NY, United States writes: I like how all you sit on the sidelines canadians always have something to say and criticize everything ANYONE (other than your own country-but that goes without saying) does in the world. I know for a fact that if the US had taken out this ship with a missle - 75% of you hypocirtes would be screaming "who does the US think they are - the world police"? But then as soon as we don't do something - all of a sudden we're univolved, incapable, or just not willing. Make up your minds - second string.
  190. Jack Bauer from Canada writes: Thomas Morris from New York, NY, United States writes: I like how all you sit on the sidelines canadians always have something to say and criticize everything ANYONE (other than your own country-but that goes without saying) does in the world. I know for a fact that if the US had taken out this ship with a missle - 75% of you hypocirtes would be screaming "who does the US think they are - the world police"? But then as soon as we don't do something - all of a sudden we're univolved, incapable, or just not willing. Make up your minds - second string.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Thomas how right you are, the left wing pansies will condemn you until we get ourselves into a conflict we can't get out of!
  191. T J from Canada writes: Something must be done before this problem gets worse. Those commentators that suggest talking to the Somali "authorities" are naive. Samalia doesn't have a goverment that controls the country (actually the entire country can be divided into northern, independent and relatively stable Somaliland, Puntland, and southern Somalia which is a mess).

    Here is a link to a BBC article that describes a link between the pirates and Islamists

    "Somali pirates have been accused of forming what is described as an "unholy high seas alliance" with some of the country's Islamist insurgents.

    "http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7737375.stm"

    If you think radical Islamists are begnin, think again. Another article:

    "Public anger at the recent stoning of a 13-year-old girl in Somalia shows the growing resentment towards radical Islamists who have gained control of much of the south and centre of the country. "

    "http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7722701.stm"
  192. HeyBoppaRebop SheBop from Canada writes: Hey! I thought of a great solution, and totally non-violent. Pretty much all companies that own these commercial ships that are hi-jacked by Somalis are managed from countries that pay foreign aid to Somalia. So those countries simply pay the ransom and deduct it from the foreign aid budget, plus take the same amount of money again to pay to advertise this fact to the people of Somalia. This way, the pirates would become hated by their own people, and dealt with internally.
  193. foreign blue from Canada writes: Sound reasoning, HeyBoppaRebop. A very good idea. But you'd have to rely on pamphletting the Somali desert with these advertisements. As I think the only TV's/PC's are in the hands of the Pirates, who might restrict access to people who have faith in their methods. The 'nominal government' would then take the 'aid-countries' to the ICC to demand recompense for the pollution they are tossing at their country. This would probably be awarded in a sum 10 times the value of the 'damage' in pollution costs.
    Six up, and another half dozen down.

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